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Real reason to root the Nexus 4

Anybody have one besides for development? The Google representative here at Best Buy is arguing that to him, he sees to reason to root a nexus phone because its already AOSP. I watched the new XDA video on it and showed him but he feels he isn't missing anything worth it.
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zander145 said:
Anybody have one besides for development? The Google representative here at Best Buy is arguing that to him, he sees to reason to root a nexus phone because its already AOSP. I watched the new XDA video on it and showed him but he feels he isn't missing anything worth it.
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Rooting will allow you to install some apps that require root ie. TitaniumBackup.
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zander145 said:
Anybody have one besides for development? The Google representative here at Best Buy is arguing that to him, he sees to reason to root a nexus phone because its already AOSP. I watched the new XDA video on it and showed him but he feels he isn't missing anything worth it.
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How else would someone use rooted apps?
Titanium backup, adaway, even cerburus offers better protection on rooted devices.
Maybe you want to do a nandroid backup, flash ROMs, kernels, tweaks etc
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So it can grow when water is added to it.

Nandroid backups...
"Because you can"
AOKP, Cyanogenmod, etc.

Have a look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTkHe7-lXw

chrisjcks said:
How else would someone use rooted apps?
Titanium backup, adaway, even cerburus offers better protection on rooted devices.
Maybe you want to do a nandroid backup, flash ROMs, kernels, tweaks etc
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I tried that a while ago. He said "android already does that, when I logged in it downloaded all my apps" i tried explaining that he had to download them and with titanium backup it saves your settings and everything and you don't need data, but he didn't listen saying he was on WiFi and something else. And he says he's okay with the virus protection 4.2 offers.
I just figured out why its useless talking to him though. He's a iSheep. He only has a nexus 7 and 4 because Google gave them to him.
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Geo411m said:
Have a look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTkHe7-lXw
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I showed him that but his eyes kinda glazed over when i made him watch it... i said it in the OP.
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Well if someone is completely against rooting and doesn't see any benefit in it, then he will be happy even with a iPhone.
No need to argue about the missed possibilities

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Have a look here:
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Good vid!

+1 for Titanium
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Titanium, file access, being able to remove system apps, there are many reasons to root besides developing..
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Adway is my number one reason. I can't stand ads anymore. They are everywhere! on the internet browser, games, radio and apps. Adaway gets rid of all of them. Makes me enjoy my nexus phone so much more
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I'm tired of flashing ROMs, after a G1, Vibrant, Galaxy Tab and GS2. I'm currently happy enough with proper unskinned, pure Android on my N7 & N4. I don't feel compelled to root either one. It sounds like some of you think that makes me a bad person! LOL
My old Galaxy Tab is on CM9, used by my 7 y.o. son. The GS2 is on CM10, used by my 12 y.o. daughter. I consider both more imperfect combinations than 4.2 on my Nexxi. Great, best options for their hardware, but the Nexxi are superior. My daughter wants an N4 when they're back in stock. I now want a N10 to complete the trifecta.
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yah its user preference. Some people get tired of flashing ROMs, like myself and in the end of the day I just want phone to work reliably. BUT i am rooted!

I love the aspect of custom kernels most. You can improve performance, battery life or even add features to the device.

Don't bother the guy into rooting. I've rooted since my Og moto droid. Back then you wanted more performance or features that didn't come stock. Aosp has hit a point where I don't need to root anymore. So many Roms out there that claim its been optimized, zipalinged , faster this and that battery this and that. It always ended up buggier than **** days later. Rooting takes time, research, more time.
4.2 has everything I need. I don't need ti because I don't need to wipe my phone. There are no preinstalled apps I need to get rid of. Tethering is included.
Android is about choice. Please don't label someone an isheep because they are happy with what they have.

Root is 1 file. Why not?

Modify clock speed
Modify the screen colors(Voodoo i think)
Performance gains(ext4, jit, etc)
Fix Bugs in stock Rom
Can fix compatibility with apps
Remove Bloatware if exists
Access to Root apps like ChainFire 3D

Titanium backup
Don't need anymore reason

What benefits from rooting?

What can been done with a rooted camera? I would like to know if it's worth doing.
Cheers. :beer:
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I take from the lack of any replies, there is little benefit to be gained. :what:
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Try Googling "what are the benefits of rooting". If you're interested in starting to modify your device, start getting use to plenty nights of research. 97% of all your questions will already be answered and easily available.
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croach246 said:
Try Googling "what are the benefits of rooting". If you're interested in starting to modify your device, start getting use to plenty nights of research. 97% of all your questions will already be answered and easily available.
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Seriously you mean asking in the specific forum for the benefit of others who have already done this, is answered with "Google it".
Pretty poor show.
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Hope you continue to get many more views/replies to this post.
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Rooting will give you access to lot of new Custom Roms and it will make your device up to date. . Its just like you modifying your car with different different engines to make it better. If any lags then that is taken care of with custom ROMs... And many more....
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Mayank.Mishra said:
Rooting will give you access to lot of new Custom Roms and it will make your device up to date. . Its just like you modifying your car with different different engines to make it better. If any lags then that is taken care of with custom ROMs... And many more....
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Not exactly, all rooting does, is essentially gives you "Admin" rights to the system, to change/add things to the system as you see fit.
If I take you car analogy, it would be more like this "You have a car, and you need to get to a part of the engine that is covered by a panel, but you need a special screwdriver to open it", rooting is the equivalent of you getting that screwdriver.
Nothing has actually change to the car, other than you can now get access to parts you couldn't before.
Technically for Samsung devices at least, you don't even need to be rooted to install a modified ROM, as there are guys out there, capable of creating ROMs that are pre-rooted and will flash to your device like an official variant using Odin.
Custom ROMs in the zip variety, can only be flashed with a custom recovery, which as yet, does not exist for the GC and neither do any custom firmware builds.
But to answer the OP, I am rooted and I have done things like change the DPI of the screen to something that I personally find more appealing to use. As well as add photoshpere abilities to the camera. You could when rooted, delete / disable pre-installed apps that you don't need or use.
But equally you could also break things rather easily too, if you mess around with things you shouldn't.
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RavenY2K3 said:
Not exactly, all rooting does, is essentially gives you "Admin" rights to the system, to change/add things to the system as you see fit.
If I take you car analogy, it would be more like this "You have a car, and you need to get to a part of the engine that is covered by a panel, but you need a special screwdriver to open it", rooting is the equivalent of you getting that screwdriver.
Nothing has actually change to the car, other than you can now get access to parts you couldn't before.
Technically for Samsung devices at least, you don't even need to be rooted to install a modified ROM, as there are guys out there, capable of creating ROMs that are pre-rooted and will flash to your device like an official variant using Odin.
Custom ROMs in the zip variety, can only be flashed with a custom recovery, which as yet, does not exist for the GC and neither do any custom firmware builds.
But to answer the OP, I am rooted and I have done things like change the DPI of the screen to something that I personally find more appealing to use. As well as add photoshpere abilities to the camera. You could when rooted, delete / disable pre-installed apps that you don't need or use.
But equally you could also break things rather easily too, if you mess around with things you shouldn't.
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Thanks Raven
This is more of the answer I was looking for, as far as rooting goes I do have experience with my other devices ie Sgs 3, Note 10.1 & Note 2. I really was more interesed in the GC specifically as its a new device to me.
Could you please tell me more about what you have done with the DPI change ie what benefit does it give?
Other than photo spheres is there any other goodies to be had?
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funb0b said:
Thanks Raven
This is more of the answer I was looking for, as far as rooting goes I do have experience with my other devices ie Sgs 3, Note 10.1 & Note 2. I really was more interesed in the GC specifically as its a new device to me.
Could you please tell me more about what you have done with the DPI change ie what benefit does it give?
Other than photo spheres is there any other goodies to be had?
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If you check out the 2 pics I've attached, one is the standard dpi the other is set to 240.
As you can see the icons are smaller and the screen looks less "Teletubby" lol.
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Here's another example, the text etc... gets smaller but you get more detail on it.
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Who here has not rooted and put a custom ROM on their nexus 4?

I really see no need to since its already vanilla android and theirs nothing wrong with this phone... if you have rooted and put a rom onto it why did you do it?
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hegemytouch said:
I really see no need to since its already vanilla android and theirs nothing wrong with this phone... if you have rooted and put a rom onto it why did you do it?
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i think you meant 'custom rom' not 'stock rom' in the title
and i put cyanogenmod on my phone because of the extended functionality and settings whilst still having the vanilla experience.

Vanilla android is...plain. Some folks would like some added features on top of their dessert. I like my ice cream with some sprinkles and perhaps gummy bears on top of it. You feels me, bro?
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scream4cheese said:
Vanilla android is...plain. Some folks would like some added features on top their dessert. I like my ice cream with some sprinkles and perhaps gummy bears on top of it. You feels me, bro?
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Makes sense brah...
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built in pie control (i like it better than lmt), more configurations for the status bar including making it clear, ability to change lockscreen shortcuts without an app like widgetlocker, being able to add or delete whatever i want from the system/app folder, cpu and screen adjustments (kernel), ribbons (i like it better than sidebar), adaway, and a bunch of other reasons.

I rooted Samsung and HTC phones in the past just to get rid of (freeze) the crapware / bloatware that could not be disabled.
I have no need to root the Nexus 4 as it's fine just the way it is.
I was a flash-a-holic in the past but that phase passed. I think the last custom ROM I used was over a year ago on my Galaxy Tab 10.1

raqball said:
I rooted Samsung and HTC phones in the past just to get rid of (freeze) the crapware / bloatware that could not be disabled.
I have no need to root the Nexus 4 as it's fine just the way it is.
I was a flash-a-holic in the past but that phase passed. I think the last custom ROM I used was over a year ago on my Galaxy Tab 10.1
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Sounds like me with the HTC androids I use to have... This is my first vanilla android and I love it just the way out is.
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Mine is still unmolested, but I'm not sure how long that will last. I've had it for a month, but I miss some of the very simple additions like quick reply from status bar.
It gets credit for working perfectly out of the box, but there are some convenience features that I do want back.
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We've already had this thread here
Real reason to root the Nexus 4
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Carbon rom!

Check goo manager, there are 2 nightlys for carbon rom for our device. Used to run it on the Gnex. Pretty slick features.
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Great find, I wonder when they will post up a thread. Let us know your experience if you try it out!
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Tried nightly 3. Didn't notice any issues at all. The options for carbon seem practically endless.
It's now on nightly 4. He should start a thread to get the word out.
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Yea I tried it too, out just like good olé carbon
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wotandsdwys said:
Check goo manager, there are 2 nightlys for carbon rom for our device. Used to run it on the Gnex. Pretty slick features.
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I'm sure Carbon is a good rom but can anyone give an idea of what it can do that the device cannot do on the stock rom with custom launcher and third party apps? Since the Sprint S4 version does not have it's own changelog (at least I didn't see one) not sure what features are working and what doesn't. Also, don't you lose all the air gestures, eye tracking, etc when going to AOSP rom?

I tried nightly 3 and I kept getting setup wizard fc. do I have to flash an aosp kernel or does it come with one.
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sorryihaveaids said:
I tried nightly 3 and I kept getting setup wizard fc. do I have to flash an aosp kernel or does it come with one.
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you need gapps

opz187 said:
you need gapps
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I had gapps. That was the first thing to fc.should had mention it in my first post.
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CCallahan said:
I'm sure Carbon is a good rom but can anyone give an idea of what it can do that the device cannot do on the stock rom with custom launcher and third party apps? Since the Sprint S4 version does not have it's own changelog (at least I didn't see one) not sure what features are working and what doesn't. Also, don't you lose all the air gestures, eye tracking, etc when going to AOSP rom?
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Yes your going to loose the entire set of unique TW features that come with the S4 - air gestures, smart scroll, etc. A lot of people don't care for those features, me personally, I like to show them off but I don't ever really use them.
A lot of people absolutely despise the TW interface. And yes some of it can be changed with third party apps and mods but not all of it. Some people want the clean AOSP experience, you can easily theme your entire interface (dialer, messaging, unique colors, blah) with themes from the play store without the need for downloading a bunch of third party apps for each individual thing you want to change. Also native DPI changer is included in a lot of AOSP roms. It's really just personal preference. None of the Samsung bloat, Sprint bloat, awful TW colors, just check out roms like AOKP, AOSPA, CM, etc, on other devices.
I recommend checking out Slimbean for our device to get the general gist of what AOSP roms provide you with.
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Does anyone know of any good aosp kernels?
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inlineboy said:
Yes your going to loose the entire set of unique TW features that come with the S4 - air gestures, smart scroll, etc. A lot of people don't care for those features, me personally, I like to show them off but I don't ever really use them.
A lot of people absolutely despise the TW interface. And yes some of it can be changed with third party apps and mods but not all of it. Some people want the clean AOSP experience, you can easily theme your entire interface (dialer, messaging, unique colors, blah) with themes from the play store without the need for downloading a bunch of third party apps for each individual thing you want to change. Also native DPI changer is included in a lot of AOSP roms. It's really just personal preference. None of the Samsung bloat, Sprint bloat, awful TW colors, just check out roms like AOKP, AOSPA, CM, etc, on other devices.
I recommend checking out Slimbean for our device to get the general gist of what AOSP roms provide you with.
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CCallahan said:
I'm sure Carbon is a good rom but can anyone give an idea of what it can do that the device cannot do on the stock rom with custom launcher and third party apps? Since the Sprint S4 version does not have it's own changelog (at least I didn't see one) not sure what features are working and what doesn't. Also, don't you lose all the air gestures, eye tracking, etc when going to AOSP rom?
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I really liked Slimbean but ended up going back to TW, AOSP is getting there, but I ran into too many bugs that I didn't have to deal with when I was using TW. I miss just being able to switch roms as I please, but my job kind of requires me having a phone that works, all the time, and quickly. Hopefully in the next week or so those issues are fixed because they seem to be on the nightly (or in the process of being fixed on the nightly) (all my problems were with signal and calling. Ex: distorted voice, bars were all over the place and I randomly lost signal in places where I had full bars of 4G with TW)
Just a word of caution if you decide to hop ship from touchwiz.
Besides that, AOSP>Touchwiz because I sure as hell only use the features to show off, i'd much rather have a stock unified UI than having to download apps to achieve that. It's also alot quicker since you don't have the framework of TW and the features weighing it down :good:

MichaelMcEntire said:
Does anyone know of any good aosp kernels?
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ktoonz released an aosp version of his kernel which IMHO is the absolute best. thread is in original development...

Can someone post a link I've looked for this carbon ROM but could not find it
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wotandsdwys said:
Check goo manager, there are 2 nightlys for carbon rom for our device. Used to run it on the Gnex. Pretty slick features.
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Carbon was ok, but... I really liked JBSourcery and wouldn't mind seeing it come to our phone. But if I had my choice I would take a Caulklin ROM in a heartbeat. Man I am all over the place.

jpkelly05 said:
Carbon was ok, but... I really liked JBSourcery and wouldn't mind seeing it come to our phone. But if I had my choice I would take a Caulklin ROM in a heartbeat. Man I am all over the place.
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I would take his rom any say over anything else. Ran his all the time on the e4gt
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So, I noticed this is the first aosp ROM where Bluetooth works for calling. Nice, my new daily.
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shizkoff777 said:
Can someone post a link I've looked for this carbon ROM but could not find it
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download goo manager. click on browse compatible ROMs...

inlineboy said:
Yes your going to loose the entire set of unique TW features that come with the S4 - air gestures, smart scroll, etc. A lot of people don't care for those features, me personally, I like to show them off but I don't ever really use them.
A lot of people absolutely despise the TW interface. And yes some of it can be changed with third party apps and mods but not all of it. Some people want the clean AOSP experience, you can easily theme your entire interface (dialer, messaging, unique colors, blah) with themes from the play store without the need for downloading a bunch of third party apps for each individual thing you want to change. Also native DPI changer is included in a lot of AOSP roms. It's really just personal preference. None of the Samsung bloat, Sprint bloat, awful TW colors, just check out roms like AOKP, AOSPA, CM, etc, on other devices.
I recommend checking out Slimbean for our device to get the general gist of what AOSP roms provide you with.
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I'm familiar with AOSP roms (ran them on many other phones) but was specifically asking about Carbon. Not bagging on AOSP roms just seems like a larger sacrifice with all the newer features of the S4. Granted I do think a lot are gimmicky and don't work that well but do use Smartstay & IR functions.
Just curiosity more than anything.

CCallahan said:
I'm familiar with AOSP roms (ran them on many other phones) but was specifically asking about Carbon. Not bagging on AOSP roms just seems like a larger sacrifice with all the newer features of the S4. Granted I do think a lot are gimmicky and don't work that well but do use Smartstay & IR functions.
Just curiosity more than anything.
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Check this link out!
http://goo.im/devs/carbon
And anyone else that wants to learn about the features of Carbon specifically!
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CCallahan said:
I'm familiar with AOSP roms (ran them on many other phones) but was specifically asking about Carbon. Not bagging on AOSP roms just seems like a larger sacrifice with all the newer features of the S4. Granted I do think a lot are gimmicky and don't work that well but do use Smartstay & IR functions.
Just curiosity more than anything.
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you wouldn't lose IR function. smart remote is compatible with sgsiv and aosp.

Rom Wish List / Idea

Now that I have root, and can at least flash zips through OpenRecoveryScript, I have been thinking about what I want out this rom, but got me thinking about an idea. While we have kitchens in the past, I do not think anyone has ever done a web-based kitchen. i.e. select the options you want on a web-page and it compiles the zip in the background and then lets you download.
This has been done for years in the programming industry for frameworks (jquery, etc)..
Anyways... Here are some ideas of my dream rom
Options
carousel mode
Screen on with text
Remove HTC apps (Blink Feed, Kid Mode, etc)
Remove stock apps (Mail, browser, etc)
Remove all languages except one you use
Move Google apps outside of /system/ that way they can be added and deleted as needed.
Remove live wall papers
Add common community apps such as Wi-F Tether, etc
Basically build a base rom with the stand rom featuers, zip-aligned, de-odexed, tweaks, etc...
I know alot of this is an option with AROMA installer, but by doing it this way, it makes the download that much smaller.....
Thoughts??

I vote we go for kernel source and get CM, omni, carbon, cfxperiment ect going Personal opinion

I'll add to the list
Alternative (or combine) LTE/Spark icons
Alternative battery icon with %
Remove NFC icon
Xposed Installer
Exchange Security Bypass

I would love a Bad Boyz rom for the m8,it was great on the m7.
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I just want something to flash lol. Insert coin was my dd on the m7.
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Well, for stock, I'd love everything removed that you could get from the play store, and a folder separate with removed apps if you wanted them.
Aroma is cool and all, but takes longer than this method.
Configurable buttons and long press options.
Oh, and an amazing kernel!

I made a stripped down rom for the gs3 called BareBones and I'll probably make a similar rom for this phone as well.

Beanstalk, my dd from the jewel. But it is CM based so we need that first.

Delete (wrong thread)

auto hide soft keys - like when you launch the camera app.

I'd love cm11
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pbedard said:
I'd love cm11
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Really?
pbedard said:
Just got mine I've built an unofficial cm11 it flashed it fine
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Dude, I remember you from the Evo 3D days. I see you're still trolling around....

For what its worth Myn now has a HTC one M8 and may start developing again. For those that remember Warm rom will know his work quality. He is on VZW now but I will try to help as much as I can with mine. Him coming back to HTC is what motivated me to loose the Nexus 5 and return to HTC.

I would like to see the app drawer smooth scroll instead of by pages....I hate haveing to stretch for a icon at the top of screen when I could have had it in middle or more accessible
Sprint M8

fastamx79 said:
Really?
Dude, I remember you from the Evo 3D days. I see you're still trolling around....
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Well guess what I know how to build cm ROMs from their sources now bit they don't have data or phone working yet.
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