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Presently, i am using Zeus 6.39 ROM...
I have some doubts..
As in a month or two, ICS is going to be released, so I wanted to know best suggestions and procedure to upgrade to ICS.
I think it's not possible to upgrade to ICS from Zeus 6.39 ROM, phone may get bricked.
My plan is to Flash the Official ROM that is country related and is official release. Then upgrade to ICS with LG update tool. Other than this if there is any best procedure to upgrade without bricking or difficulties, please suggest me & it will also be helpful for so many people.
Don't comment on this post or create flame for time-pass.
Why are you giving by fact that LG will upgrade the international OB?
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abeloman said:
Why are you giving by fact that LG will upgrade the international OB?
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Why woundn't they
1: download ics rom and google apps
2: backup your apps
3: enter cwm and wipe cache ,dalvik and data/factory reset
4: flash rom and google apps
5: reboot and enjoy
I recomend aokp or ultrasound rom
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wyrman said:
Why woundn't they
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Maybe because LG international hasn't pronounced anything about upgrade
RomWiz said:
1: download ics rom and google apps
2: backup your apps
3: enter cwm and wipe cache ,dalvik and data/factory reset
4: flash rom and google apps
5: reboot and enjoy
I recomend aokp or ultrasound rom
Sent from my Kang Phone
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Well, I think he is refering to official ICS upgrade
abeloman said:
Maybe because LG international hasn't pronounced anything about upgrade
Well, I think he is refering to official ICS upgrade
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Ahhh
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Too optimistic post . BTW just to inform you, if and if your country got the ICS update over OTA then check xda back if your country version (or similar) has been posted here as backup or flashable zip. Download it and flash or restore by CWM. Dont not install superuser as it will be going after update anyway Now you can check LG update tool or OTA, menu in mobile->about option. Thats nnot much tough. Is it?
pkb_always4u said:
Too optimistic post . BTW just to inform you, if and if your country got the ICS update over OTA then check xda back if your country version (or similar) has been posted here as backup or flashable zip. Download it and flash or restore by CWM. Dont not install superuser as it will be going after update anyway Now you can check LG update tool or OTA, menu in mobile->about option. Thats nnot much tough. Is it?
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I still have the stock ROM GB in my backups, its rooted. Can I update when im on that?
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Thanks guys,
I will download official ics ROM and flash, before that I delete all data and cache
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sekhar13515 said:
Thanks guys,
I will download official ics ROM and flash, before that I delete all data and cache
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Will you try with ICS leaked (Korean)? It may give you an error with the partitions... Good luck
wessyh0 said:
I still have the stock ROM GB in my backups, its rooted. Can I update when im on that?
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Dats gr8, ofcourse its all you need but be sure dat you will lose root access till some one comes with a new trcik to root official ICS
pkb_always4u said:
Dats gr8, ofcourse its all you need but be sure dat you will lose root access till some one comes with a new trcik to root official ICS
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So I can officially upgrade when im rooted and on Stock GB?
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I think no need of new trick for rooting ICS
Bcoz....as we have ROM Converter & CWM injector....we can download the ROM and inject CWM...
so, we can have rooted ICS...
Let us have a try when it releases..
sekhar13515 said:
I think no need of new trick for rooting ICS
Bcoz....as we have ROM Converter & CWM injector....we can download the ROM and inject CWM...
so, we can have rooted ICS...
Let us have a try when it releases..
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Wot did you mean? ROM convertor or injector is not new thing (may be for OB) if it was like this then all mobiles (android based) will need just a converter to do it for any version rooting. Have you listen about "bootlocker"? And if wot you say will happen then only thing will be left to port ROM convertor to any models and dats all.
I didn't know about bootlocker
so it mean ROM converter is only for OB for only Gingerbread ? not for ICS ?
Dear all..
I am a newbie and no shame to admit that.. So appealing all senior members to guide the step by step guide to install the latest version of ROM to our beloved Optimus black
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manishsinghon said:
Dear all..
I am a newbie and no shame to admit that.. So appealing all senior members to guide the step by step guide to install the latest version of ROM to our beloved Optimus black
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda app-developers app
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First .. there's no official ICS rom for optimus black.We have unofficial CM9 , but without a working camera and with some bugs.
Now if you want to install CM9 on your phone , you must be rooted.If your rom has root , restart into CWM and follow this instructions :
- Go into ClockworkMod
- Do the follow wipes: /data /cache and /dalvik
- Install zip from sd card and choose the cm-9-XXXXXXXX-UNOFFICIAL-p970.zip
- Choose "yes" and flash
- Reboot
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I recommend this version of ICS -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1887320
manishsinghon said:
Dear all..
I am a newbie and no shame to admit that.. So appealing all senior members to guide the step by step guide to install the latest version of ROM to our beloved Optimus black
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I'm on my phone atm, so I can't give links, but they're on this forum.
1. Get rooted.
2. Get ROM Manager from the Play store and flash CWM.
2. Download the ICS ROM and Google Apps ICS, they're on the blog of FOP.
3. Use Titanium Backup to backup your apps.
4. Reboot in CWM with ROM Manager.
5. Click backup/restore and backup your current ROM.
6. Go back and click Wipe data/factory reset.
7. Click wipe data partition.
8.Go to advanced > wipe dalvik cache.
9. Go back and click Install zip from Sdcard, find your ROM and install it.
10. Go to advanced > wipe dalvik cache again.
11. Go to install zip from sdcard and find your gapps and install them.
12. Reboot, first boot takes some time. If your stuck at the bootlogo, click g-key some times, you will go to CWM. Here you can restore your ROM you used before.
13. Go to the play store and get titanium backup and restore your apps.
Press thanks if i helped
EDIT: If you want to try JB, you do the same but you get JB gapps.
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A video guide would be very useful for us.. But Tnx. Alot
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DaemonOnx said:
First .. there's no official ICS rom for optimus black.We have unofficial CM9 , but without a working camera and with some bugs.
Now if you want to install CM9 on your phone , you must be rooted.If your rom has root , restart into CWM and follow this instructions :
I recommend this version of ICS -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1887320
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Dear Daemon do we have any official ICS rom for Optimus black.. By official I mean ICS taken from other LG ICS enabled phone.. Forgive me if I am not right.. Please advise
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manishsinghon said:
A video guide would be very useful for us.. But Tnx. Alot
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Just follow the steps, i figured it out by myself aswell when i was a noob.
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manishsinghon said:
Dear Daemon do we have any official ICS rom for Optimus black.. By official I mean ICS taken from other LG ICS enabled phone.. Forgive me if I am not right.. Please advise
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He already told you there is none. Read my noob how to, then come back and ask questions, if ANY should remain.
manishsinghon said:
Dear Daemon do we have any official ICS rom for Optimus black.. By official I mean ICS taken from other LG ICS enabled phone.. Forgive me if I am not right.. Please advise
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Its is good to be and accept NOOB but its really bad to act like. He has cleared already in his above post " there's no official ICS rom for optimus black.We have unofficial CM9".
I dont see any reason to ask again and again. And you question is vague. Can you please give us a video about your OB e.g Is it rooted, which rom are you using, which version you have and etc?
pkb_always4u said:
Its is good to be and accept NOOB but its really bad to act like. He has cleared already in his above post " there's no official ICS rom for optimus black.We have unofficial CM9".
I dont see any reason to ask again and again. And you question is vague. Can you please give us a video about your OB e.g Is it rooted, which rom are you using, which version you have and etc?
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Pkb please don't overreact.. If you really want to help noobs plz share a detailed process of installing various ICS ROM on OB.. And by the way I am using un rooted phone.. And dnt knw to root it either.. Currently 2.3.4 v20g is running on my phone
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He's not a noob guys, he's just a newbie... I don't like the term Noob, just sound harsh to me xP
Anyway to install any unoffical CM9,ICS or ICS based roms you must (of course) be rooted and have clockworkmod recovery.
Always backup before installing any rom!!
Here is a list of some ICS roms:
Unofficial CM9 by nunogil
Unofficial CM9 by FreeOptimusProject
Ultrasound Rom HD Beats Edition by blacktecktonik
MIUIv4 Ultrasound by blacktecktonik
Unoffcial AOKP by koila33
PanaroidAndroid by koila33
Motorola Blur by DiederikC
I may have missed one or two sorry about that lol
Apparently the most functional ones may be Ultrasound Rom HD or both Unofficial CM9, both having camera glitch and no HW acceleration due to no official kernel from LG.
Hey I would recommend you to wait a little because apparently official ICS from LG will roll out on September 25.... I don't know if it's true. But till then, wait for the end of September before flashing any unofficial ICS roms.
EDIT: Since you are unrooted, follow THIS THREAD or more specifically THIS ONE
EDIT: there's a CM10
But it's in an early stage CyanogenMod10 Jelly Bean by chenleicpp
The rom has same bugs as ICS + audio not working and some other bugs
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He's not a noob guys, he's just a newbie... I don't like the term Noob, just sound harsh to me xP
Anyway to install any unoffical CM9,ICS or ICS based roms you must (of course) be rooted and have clockworkmod recovery.
Always backup before installing any rom!!
Here is a list of some ICS roms:
Unofficial CM9 by nunogil
Unofficial CM9 by FreeOptimusProject
Ultrasound Rom HD Beats Edition by blacktecktonik
MIUIv4 Ultrasound by blacktecktonik
Unoffcial AOKP by koila33
PanaroidAndroid by koila33
Motorola Blur by DiederikC
I may have missed one or two sorry about that lol
Apparently the most functional ones may be Ultrasound Rom HD or both Unofficial CM9, both having camera glitch and no HW acceleration due to no official kernel from LG.
Hey I would recommend you to wait a little because apparently official ICS from LG will roll out on September 25.... I don't know if it's true. But till then, wait for the end of September before flashing any unofficial ICS roms.
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Thnxccc bro... It seems a nice reply... And will wait for official ICS rom for at least one month.. What about zeus rom..? And I am not that noob.. Just not sure how to do it.. Nd Thnxccc for supporting me.. :thumbup:
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manishsinghon said:
Thnxccc bro... It seems a nice reply... And will wait for official ICS rom for at least one month.. What about zeus rom..? And I am not that noob.. Just not sure how to do it.. Nd Thnxccc for supporting me.. :thumbup:
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Zeus Rom is the most popular rom right now!!
It's extremely stable, with new tweaks/features like Quickpanel, OverCloking, Voltage changer, and many many more!
That's what I'm using while waiting for official ICS
WIIstpM said:
Zeus Rom is the most popular rom right now!!
It's extremely stable, with new tweaks/features like Quickpanel, OverCloking, Voltage changer, and many many more!
That's what I'm using while waiting for official ICS
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Cool.. Can u send me the. Download link for zeus rom and the process of installing that..
.. And
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manishsinghon said:
Cool.. Can u send me the. Download link for zeus rom and the process of installing that..
.. And
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Erm this one you could have searched it yourself lol..
The Blog containing links
The Original thread containing discussions, tutorials, etc
Latest version is v7 but maybe it's not as stable as v6.39
First of all seriously READ my noob how to. Then you ll learn, how to root your device, install custom ROMs,... Also links to many ROMs are in there. Then go to the dev section of this forum and have a look at all the ROMs. Choose whatever you want, backup your device, install the ROM, test it, choose if you wanna keep it or not and continue with another ROM, if you dont like it.
Please dont ask for more noob how to's, if you are not willing to read. Not meaning to flame you, but if you dont understand of what you are doing, chances are rather high, that you will screw up your device. And I think that is nothing that you wanna do.
So read my noob how to, follow links if necessary and follow the tutorials given. Any questions left? Search here on the forum. Still questions left? Ask google. Still questions? Come back and ask. But please dont ask for things, that are there already. I made that noob how to for a purpose. It was meant for noobs like you and me (since we all start as noobs somewhen).
So go and read now please. And you wont get it all in one day, so take your time, ok?
Nice one
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manishsinghon said:
Dear all..
I am a newbie and no shame to admit that.. So appealing all senior members to guide the step by step guide to install the latest version of ROM to our beloved Optimus black
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda app-developers app
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If you read and follow the forum rules you will find all the answers you need, this goes for every new guy looking for answers
There is video also how to root and install in ob foroum somewhere if m nt wrng ill search for u its easy once u learn ill link u
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Very usefull thnks dude:thumbup:
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Omg! He only didnt wanted to "come here and install rom"
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This is the wrong section for a post like this and there's a guide for newbie like you made by nooby...
Please read the forum rules and search the forum before posting anything...
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Hello guys, i need your help.
I tried to install this rom http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2064242.
I was using cm10 from 28.12.12 before.
I only wiped dalvik cache before installing the miui rom.
as i tried to boot my lg, it got stock in the bootanmiation.
as i tried to restore my cm10 backup, it got stuck in bootanimation aswell.
but as i used an cm9 backup it could boot perfectly
any suggestion or help?
thanks
Well, as i can see, this MIUI rom uses ics bootloader. Witch bootloader are you useing? New or old? If old then i think that you can't install the MIUI rom that requiers new bootloader and partition.
(Correct me if i'm wrong)
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I guess he is using the new bootloaders, cause he had installed CM10.1 2812..
There is a recovery thread.. where u flash a CM from 5. november.. via NVFlash but when u can get in the CWM recovery... just try to install Djangomanouche 1.1
DualCoreEST said:
Well, as i can see, this MIUI rom uses ics bootloader. Witch bootloader are you useing? New or old? If old then i think that you can't install the MIUI rom that requiers new bootloader and partition.
(Correct me if i'm wrong)
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im using cwm v.5.0.2.7. i was using cm10 before so i thought it wouldnt be a problem.
rockyy said:
I guess he is using the new bootloaders, cause he had installed CM10.1 2812..
There is a recovery thread.. where u flash a CM from 5. november.. via NVFlash but when u can get in the CWM recovery... just try to install Djangomanouche 1.1
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google is telling me django is another rom, how can i install cm10/backup with it on my phone? and do u may have a link to the thread?
Official cm10 is for old bootloader and partition. I think that you are on old bootloader and partition, so you can't flash Django Manouche or the MIUI rom.
If you want to flash these roms you have to change bootloader and partition. You can do that by useing the "All In One toolkit" located at development section. (i'm planning to use this toolkit aswell when i hawe installed windows on my computer)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2030775
Here's a link to a MIUI rom for old bootloader. Check it out.
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Masern said:
im using cwm v.5.0.2.7. i was using cm10 before so i thought it wouldnt be a problem.
google is telling me django is another rom, how can i install cm10/backup with it on my phone? and do u may have a link to the thread?
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rockyy said:
I guess he is using the new bootloaders, cause he had installed CM10.1 2812..
There is a recovery thread.. where u flash a CM from 5. november.. via NVFlash but when u can get in the CWM recovery... just try to install Djangomanouche 1.1
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Didn't he sayd that he was useing cm10 before, witch, correct me if i'm wrong, is for old bootloader (atleast the official CyanogenMod built)? Or am i misleading..?
DualCoreEST said:
Didn't he sayd that he was useing cm10 before, witch, correct me if i'm wrong, is for old bootloader (atleast the official CyanogenMod built)? Or am i misleading..?
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he said "I was using cm10 from 28.12.12 before."
and the 26.12.12 release was ICS Bootloader (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2058231)
But he could also have installed the old 14.12.12 release on that day..
But there is also a new recovery in the thread: recovery-20121223.zip
hey, i have installed Cyanogenmod 10.1 because i updated to jellybean and it was very slow, now i want to install Stock ICS back, please help me to install ICS back.
thanks.
Just install the kdz via bootloader, first delete all, make a factory reset, format system and data remember aleays make a backup, enter on the bootloader conect to pc and flash the kdz
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thanks for reply. but do you mean to flash kdz file through custom recovery?
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Flashing a kdz. over cwm do not work!! Try this... that's the way back to ics http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38832445 read the instructions carefully and proced.. Hope it's help you...
Greeting by SnXo
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thanks @snko but it doesn't work I tried it.
when I reconnect it my phone lcd turns white and nothing happens.. and when I restart it is on same version CM10.1
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gurlove said:
hey, i have installed Cyanogenmod 10.1 because i updated to jellybean and it was very slow, now i want to install Stock ICS back, please help me to install ICS back.
thanks.
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Why do you want ics? Cm 10.1 or any other jelly bean rom are far better than ics. I can recommend superxe pure aosp, scored 6000 on quadrant, realy fast.
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gurlove said:
thanks @snko but it doesn't work I tried it.
when I reconnect it my phone lcd turns white and nothing happens.. and when I restart it is on same version CM10.1
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Go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38838927&postcount=7
There you can choose ICS or JB latest .dz and .dll to download.
Remember, .dll are different. Don't select the ICS .dll to flash JB or the oposite.
Good luck
jonteftw1 said:
Why do you want ics? Cm 10.1 or any other jelly bean rom are far better than ics. I can recommend superxe pure aosp, scored 6000 on quadrant, realy fast.
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thanks for your reply,
because I want some stock application like media player etc which are not there in CM10.1
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RuedasLocas said:
Go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38838927&postcount=7
There you can choose ICS or JB latest .dz and .dll to download.
Remember, .dll are different. Don't select the ICS .dll to flash JB or the oposite.
Good luck
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thanks. but can you help me to find the tutorial to flash ICS?
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gurlove said:
thanks. but can you help me to find the tutorial to flash ICS?
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You've already been given the link. :banghead:
SimonTS said:
You've already been given the link. :banghead:
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thanks, i got it.
thanks all.
I am on Carbon 4.3. with his kernel. Today i tryed to flash OP 2.7 and got stuck on bootanimation.. I used optimus prime form Anykernel, put it in sdcard, wipe cache,wipe dalvik and flashed..
brunek said:
I am on Carbon 4.3. with his kernel. Today i tryed to flash OP 2.7 and got stuck on bootanimation.. I used optimus prime form Anykernel, put it in sdcard, wipe cache,wipe dalvik and flashed..
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Afaik, carbon rom should be ok with op 2.7 cm 10.2? Not from any kernel thread but from op thread. Try flashing carbon + op 10.2 again.
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[email protected] said:
Afaik, carbon rom should be ok with op 2.7 cm 10.2? Not from any kernel thread but from op thread. Try flashing carbon + op 10.2 again.
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So I just do clean install form CWM?
brunek said:
So I just do clean install form CWM?
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Definitely.
Edit: may be dirty flashing rom will alsowork.
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[email protected] said:
Definitely.
Edit: may be dirty flashing rom will alsowork.
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Dirty flash worked..
But here is the thing.. I downloaded OP 2.7 from Anykernel and put it in SDcard. When i open airdroid in SDcard it clearly says OP 2.7. But, when I go into recovery it says OP 2.7 Stock! There is no OP 2.7. So i actually installed the kernel from original thread..(because I flashed that kernel when I was on stock) But how come there is no Anykernel version in recovery to flash? In airdroid, Root explorer and when I connect my phone via cable, there is no OP stock..
brunek said:
Dirty flash worked..
But here is the thing.. I downloaded OP 2.7 from Anykernel and put it in SDcard. When i open airdroid in SDcard it clearly says OP 2.7. But, when I go into recovery it says OP 2.7 Stock! There is no OP 2.7. So i actually installed the kernel from original thread..(because I flashed that kernel when I was on stock) But how come there is no Anykernel version in recovery to flash? In airdroid, Root explorer and when I connect my phone via cable, there is no OP stock..
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May be you messed up your zips somehow.
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[email protected] said:
May be you messed up your zips somehow.
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I dont think so.. But how come in Recovery I can see: Carbon.zip,gapps.zip,OP 2.7 stock.zip and update.zip(thats the zip from TB) and in Root explorer and on PC via cable I cant see that? I would like to delete update.zip and Op Stock.zip.. I will give it another go and put Op 2.7. from any kernel in sdcard but this confuses me a lot..
anyway. what he says its that carbon isnt 4.3.1 , its 4.3 right ? any kernel is for the new 4.3.1 . use the kernel from its thread.
kessaras said:
anyway. what he says its that carbon isnt 4.3.1 , its 4.3 right ? any kernel is for the new 4.3.1 . use the kernel from its thread.
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No, carbon is 4.3.1.
I tryed to flash from Anykernel but when I put it on sdcard I cant see it in recovery so I cant flash it..
posl'o ja to s mob'tela
brunek said:
I am on Carbon 4.3. with his kernel. Today i tryed to flash OP 2.7 and got stuck on bootanimation.. I used optimus prime form Anykernel, put it in sdcard, wipe cache,wipe dalvik and flashed..
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you didn't make a backup of the rom before flashing kernel did you
dev0lver said:
you didn't make a backup of the rom before flashing kernel did you
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Nope,forgot it.. But i dont understand why i dont see Anykernel version of OP in my recovery..
EDIT: Poslo sam ti PM pa ak imaš objašnjenje biobi zahvalan..:laugh: