How to buy in US? - Motorola Droid 3

Hi guys, first, sorry that I'm asking that here, but I think you the people who can help me with that.
A friend of mine is going to US for some vacations, and she offered to buy for me a phone or tablet, since I live in Brazil and a decent tablet cost something near of a kidney in these parts (GNex in Brazil costs something near $1000). So I'm in doubt between buying a GNex or a Nexus7. Anyway, to buy either I need a credit card with an US address.
My question is: is there some kind of temporary credit card so I can buy it from the play store and ask to deliver in the place my friend is staying? If so, what's the name of this service in the US? If you have any suggestions, please say so =D
Also, what would you get: GNex or Nexus7?
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AragornPE said:
Hi guys, first, sorry that I'm asking that here, but I think you the people who can help me with that.
A friend of mine is going to US for some vacations, and she offered to buy for me a phone or tablet, since I live in Brazil and a decent tablet cost something near of a kidney in these parts (GNex in Brazil costs something near $1000). So I'm in doubt between buying a GNex or a Nexus7. Anyway, to buy either I need a credit card with an US address.
My question is: is there some kind of temporary credit card so I can buy it from the play store and ask to deliver in the place my friend is staying? If so, what's the name of this service in the US? If you have any suggestions, please say so =D
Also, what would you get: GNex or Nexus7?
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She can get a usa card to put money on a pre payed vesa and buy it for you over there and brang it back with her to you and me my self wood get a nexus 7
Sorry for the spelling I can not spell that good thanks to the school not doing there job lol
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XTC Chip in the US

Wondering who would be interested in going in on buying an XTC chip and passing it around in the US.
Here's what I propose...
ONE of us in the states purchases one, and we subsequently pass it around to those who want to go in on it. I would propose that we pool resources together and purchase one through ebay (there's a NY seller that has one for a little less than $200 US. I'd be comfortable buying it and passing it along to someone else in the states... I would say we get a list of people together, where's they're located, and how much they are willing to put in to a general fund to purchase (or offset the cost of) the XTC chip. Let's see if we can get a nice long list going, and I'll look at buying on Monday or Tuesday (May 2 or 3 2011)... I live in Baltimore, so anyone in neighboring states or nearby could meet up or i could mail it to them and they'd have it in a day or 2... (Im not sure the exact weight, but each person going in would pay for shipping to the next in line to receive it.. Im assuming we could ship it for under $2 to each person, as i doubt it weighs more than a few ounces and would fall under the 13oz rule for USPS first class mail)...
If we can get a list of where everyone is, how much they'd be willing to contribute, we can maybe map out a path for this thing... (I would say, the larger contributors would have first dibs on it, and those who are closest in proximity with where it is...ie, if i order it and get it next friday, and someone offsets in NY with $5, but someone in VA offsets with $25, I would ship it to the person in VA... They in turn would ship it to the NY person, and so on and so forth...
If you are unable to offset... you probably shouldnt have bought a $500 phone No, but in seriousness... if you are unable to contribute, I (personally, but would need general consensus from those who HAVE contributed)... would be more than willing to pass this on to those who HAVENT contributed to the cause (of course, as is only right... i would say you would be last in line to receive it...)
That being said... any input?
Count me in, Albany NY
I should say:
Leave your location and amount you'd be willing to offset costs with... If we can get a good idea of who out there is willing, we can formulate a plan on where this thing will go and when it will get there..
200 bucks? you can better buy it straight of raskal instead lol
Count me out lol. I was chose as one of the 10 beta testers1 !!!!!!
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Count me out lol. I was chose as one of the 10 beta testers1 !!!!!!
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Lol then why dont you share with the rest dummy... If u dont mind that is ... They can pay for shipping it around ... I think that would be better
Why buy a new one when you guys are already getting one?
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Cuz new clip works on credits dummy xD
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Yea ... Me him and the other testers get five excluding the one it is shipped with ... Enough for now right?
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I may be interested... just ordered 2 of the Droid Inc 2 for Verizon.
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Lol then why dont you share with the rest dummy... If u dont mind that is ... They can pay for shipping it around ... I think that would be better
Why buy a new one when you guys are already getting one?
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I don't share with people who call me a dummy
for the rest, yep I'll have 5 credits to share.
ACD168, check your PMs... I sent you a message

Nexus 4 for Switzerland

If you live in Switzerland and you´re interested in buying the new N4, you may have heard that it won´t be available here. So "Android Schweiz" made a petition to say Google, that also Swiss people want to buy a N4.
So if you want to buy the N4 (and I know you want ) go ahead and join the petition:
http://www.android-schweiz.ch/2012-10-31/online-petition-wir-wollen-das-nexus-4-in-der-schweiz/
Thank you very much.
Petition Participants
There are already 1008 petiton participants.
But we need more...
1056
the lack of italian (or even english!) translations is sadly not surprising..
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1056
the lack of italian (or even english!) translations is sadly not surprising..
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Yeah, I know. They should have made this better so there would be more participants...
I signed.
I want the Nexus, but I'm Swiss -____-
Singed it, too! But I don't think it's going to help ... probably buying it via digitec ...
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donmarcatelli said:
Singed it, too! But I don't think it's going Tod help ... probably buying it via digitec ...
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Well, Digitec is the usual choice..
I fear they will not sell it at Play Store price but at LG price (I suppose double?)
If that will be the case, I'll simply buy one from another country.
Fusio9 said:
Well, Digitec is the usual choice..
I fear they will not sell it at Play Store price but at LG price (I suppose double?)
If that will be the case, I'll simply buy one from another country.
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im gonna buy it in UK on O2 since i cant buy it in my country :/
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i also signed it but i fear that this means nothing...
Probably Digitec will sell it at the LG price ... ~600 CHF
I live in Geneva, France in 5 min driving from me. Many Swiss from Geneva area actually live in France, it's cheaper. So I will ask a friend who lives over the border to get one for me in the French Play store. As simple as that.

Which one to pick

So, i have been deciding if i should pre order from Best buy or ATT. The Media link is kinda cool and is worth more then the 50 best buy play store thing but what other advantages does best buy have over att? I was wondering which one are you going to do and why. Does best buy offer insurance on their phones? i always get insurance from att and its pretty decent i was wondering what best buy does and if anyone has had problems with them (i have had many problems with att insurance ) just trying to decide where to get it. i didnt see another thread that was like this its usually its own individual subject but i wanna hear why people would get it at best buy over att. thanks.
The pre-order link that I found on Best Buys website does not make any mention of that $50 gift card. Also Best Buy doesn't seem to be offering the 64GB model for pre-order yet.
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The pre-order link that I found on Best Buys website does not make any mention of that $50 gift card. Also Best Buy doesn't seem to be offering the 64GB model for pre-order yet.
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hmm well thats what i found out from other peoples posts.
What about Radio Shack with the $50 Playstore gift card? I know it was specified for Sprint, however, if this holds true for ATT it might be worth considering as well.
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What about Radio Shack with the $50 Playstore gift card? I know it was specified for Sprint, however, if this holds true for ATT it might be worth considering as well.
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Ohhh see! i meant radio shack lol, but radio shack doesnt offer insurance on their phones do they ?
snorkle said:
Ohhh see! i meant radio shack lol, but radio shack doesnt offer insurance on their phones do they ?
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Good question, however, since you purchase the phone new you should be able to add insurance to the device within 30 days of purchase. Just as you would at a traditional ATT store.
If you're purchasing in the USA and care about LTE, the version you buy is important. There are several versions with different LTE band support.
I don't really know how it works out there, but you're pretty much tied to your carrier due to frequency support.
Marcismo55 said:
Good question, however, since you purchase the phone new you should be able to add insurance to the device within 30 days of purchase. Just as you would at a traditional ATT store.
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Wouldn't you have to buy it at att to get the insurance
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DJayRage said:
The pre-order link that I found on Best Buys website does not make any mention of that $50 gift card. Also Best Buy doesn't seem to be offering the 64GB model for pre-order yet.
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I think what OP was talking about was Best Buy's "phone freedom" offer of which registration ended about a month ago. Basically if you registered your number with BB.com, and got a new phone at best buy mobile in the calender year 2013, you got a free 50 dollar gift card.
I never quite understood the reason behind these threads. Do you go online to ask which pair of underwear to wear on a certain day? Do what's gonna make you happy, don't worry about what others think.
eXplicit815 said:
I never quite understood the reason behind these threads. Do you go online to ask which pair of underwear to wear on a certain day? Do what's gonna make you happy, don't worry about what others think.
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you sir, have down syndrome. Regardless of what you say, i know you have an extra chromosome. I Was asking to see which one is the better deal, because i haven't bought a phone from Best Buy or Radio shack. I clearly ask for the benefits to purchase it at another store, you don't need troll for no reason.
I'd be interested to know if you can buy insurance from Best Buy for a phone you bought at AT&T. ATT's insurance deal sucks. It's $7mo with a $200 deductible.
Everybody should look into squaretrade for insurance. I've had in for the past 7 years on all my phones and it includes accidental damage.
If they can't replace or repair they send you a check for retail price of the phone.
I don't work for them or anything I just like their insurance plans
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saladbowl831 said:
Everybody should look into squaretrade for insurance. I've had in for the past 7 years on all my phones and it includes accidental damage.
If they can't replace or repair they send you a check for retail price of the phone.
I don't work for them or anything I just like their insurance plans
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I'm guessing its a 3rd party, how much do they charge per month ? And how long do they take to replace / repair a phone
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snorkle said:
I'm guessing its a 3rd party, how much do they charge per month ? And how long do they take to replace / repair a phone
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SquareTrade

Buying the XZ

As you might have seen me crawling around this forum, I'm seriously thinking about buying the z. As for credit check issues I can't get a contract so I'm going to buy it sim free.
Tbh it's my first time buying a sim free phone. So it would be nice if someone could give me some advice on where to get the device. I live in the UK (Nottingham) btw.
I've been thinking about buying it on eBay, has anyone bought it that way? Any risks or advice you can give me if I buy it that way.
Thanks in advance.
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As you might have seen me crawling around this forum, I'm seriously thinking about buying the z. As for credit check issues I can't get a contract so I'm going to buy it sim free.
Tbh it's my first time buying a sim free phone. So it would be nice if someone could give me some advice on where to get the device. I live in the UK (Nottingham) btw.
I've been thinking about buying it on eBay, has anyone bought it that way? Any risks or advice you can give me if I buy it that way.
Thanks in advance.
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Ebay is ok but make sure it's a reputable seller and it's not imported (to avoid warranty issues)
Ideally buy the device unlocked - if you can.
Retailer wise, Expansys (owned by Dragon Peter Jones and based in Marlow, Bucks.) is a good retailer but at full retail the device is £519 - ebay 'unwanted upgrades' go for £370 or so.
I've just bought mine from someone local to me, and insisted on seeing it working with my choice of network. As it happens, he couldn't show this due to a handset fault so i've made him RMA the phone to Sony before i send any money. Just be careful if you're new to eBay.
Tesco Mobile offer the XZ so you can goto a Tesco Extra store to see one in person to have a play before buying - if needed.
Good luck and just make sure you're confident with the sellers reputation on ebay before buying
wawyed said:
As you might have seen me crawling around this forum, I'm seriously thinking about buying the z. As for credit check issues I can't get a contract so I'm going to buy it sim free.
Tbh it's my first time buying a sim free phone. So it would be nice if someone could give me some advice on where to get the device. I live in the UK (Nottingham) btw.
I've been thinking about buying it on eBay, has anyone bought it that way? Any risks or advice you can give me if I buy it that way.
Thanks in advance.
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Here you go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2117909
I see, is there any risk with sealed units on ebay? I'm orange pay as you go.
Also if I get it from someone as an unwanted upgrade from Orange is there a high risk that the company blocks the device if he doesn't pay the contract or is it quite dangerous for someone to do that? Also what happens to the warranty when I buy it like this do I need anything from the seller in case I need to rma?
Thanks
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I see, is there any risk with sealed units on ebay? I'm orange pay as you go.
Also if I get it from someone as an unwanted upgrade from Orange is there a high risk that the company blocks the device if he doesn't pay the contract or is it quite dangerous for someone to do that? Also what happens to the warranty when I buy it like this do I need anything from the seller in case I need to rma?
Thanks
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If you worry about all of those things then I'd recommend buying it from a real shop.
But most of the times when you buy it from someone with a very high rating, you won't have any trouble/problems, not even when it comes to warranty. If the phone breaks the chance is very big that you have to pay either way, it won't matter if you bought it from a shop or a reseller.
You are right, so now the thing is to pick the right seller. So I should pick people with 500+ ratting then?
edit: Also you said something about the phone not being imported? so should I ask the seller about that? It needs to be from the UK or europe?
wawyed said:
You are right, so now the thing is to pick the right seller. So I should pick people with 500+ ratting then?
edit: Also you said something about the phone not being imported? so should I ask the seller about that? It needs to be from the UK or europe?
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Just make sure its a uk seller with a decent amount of positive feedback. Avoid anyone with zero.
see: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/ebay-protection
and : http://ebay.co.uk/safetycentre/buying.html
for info
re: imports - all you can do is ask - if it's a uk unwanted upgrade then its not imported
wawyed said:
You are right, so now the thing is to pick the right seller. So I should pick people with 500+ ratting then?
edit: Also you said something about the phone not being imported? so should I ask the seller about that? It needs to be from the UK or europe?
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Uhm I don't think that matters.
I'm not sure which version you need in the UK, I think C6603, as long as the version is ok, there shouldn't be a problem where it from since it's an international phone.
People from the states also buy the phone imported because it's not being sold in North America (Not by carrier that is)
And no 500 rating is way to low imo.
This is a good rating
Link
(Not saying that you should buy that one, but just giving an example of a good rating.)
P.S. Please remember that when importing a phone you will have to pay VAT once your package has arrived.
I think you had to pay VAT when the device is from beyond Europe, but not when it's being send from another European country (Could be wrong on this one though).
Dsteppa said:
Uhm I don't think that matters.
I'm not sure which version you need in the UK, I think C6603, as long as the version is ok, there shouldn't be a problem where it from since it's an international phone.
People from the states also buy the phone imported because it's not being sold in North America (Not by carrier that is)
And no 500 rating is way to low imo.
This is a good rating
Link
(Not saying that you should buy that one, but just giving an example of a good rating.)
P.S. Please remember that when importing a phone you will have to pay VAT once your package has arrived.
I think you had to pay VAT when the device is from beyond Europe, but not when it's being send from another European country (Could be wrong on this one though).
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I see, I'm looking on ebay.co.uk though, I don't think I'm going to buy one from outside UK. About the imported or not I mean in case I need to RMA it.
Does this one seem legit?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SONY-...18017?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item417246d181
wawyed said:
Does this one seem legit?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-SONY-...18017?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item417246d181
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Looks quite ok.
It was an example I think I can get it cheaper.
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It was an example I think I can get it cheaper.
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Don't limit yourself to Ebay. I am selling a XZ on Gumtree because there are no charges and you get to deal with the person face to face. I am sure there are lots of things to be wary of. I don't buy or sell many things so I am not aware of all the pitfalls, though I am sure there are some.
Get more advice from other people if you are thinking of buying from Gumtree, but from what I have seen, (through watching my son-in-law), you show the buyer the item, the buyer gets to see it first hand, and they decide whether to hand over pound notes for it. If the seller seems genuine and the phone is as described, fair enough. If you don't feel right go with your instincts and run.
I personally am very wary of Ebay, but lets be honest, if everyone had a bad experience it wouldn't still exist.
phones 4u are cheap and unlocked
Dont buy it.. Screen is ugly and gets alot of dust also the buttons are very annoying. You have to remove the protectors each time to connect to power and headphone..:good:
Phone is amazing buttons are fine and use the dock and bluetooth then no need to remove flaps
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Dont buy it.. Screen is ugly and gets alot of dust also the buttons are very annoying. You have to remove the protectors each time to connect to power and headphone..:good:
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You think I'm going to spend 400£ or more without researching every single aspect of the phone hehe. Thanks for the advice though but it's still the best option for me.
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juDGEY2k10 said:
phones 4u are cheap and unlocked
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Cheap... 480£ is not that cheap but ty.
charlodroid said:
Don't limit yourself to Ebay. I am selling a XZ on Gumtree because there are no charges and you get to deal with the person face to face. I am sure there are lots of things to be wary of. I don't buy or sell many things so I am not aware of all the pitfalls, though I am sure there are some.
Get more advice from other people if you are thinking of buying from Gumtree, but from what I have seen, (through watching my son-in-law), you show the buyer the item, the buyer gets to see it first hand, and they decide whether to hand over pound notes for it. If the seller seems genuine and the phone is as described, fair enough. If you don't feel right go with your instincts and run.
I personally am very wary of Ebay, but lets be honest, if everyone had a bad experience it wouldn't still exist.
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Thanks but if you buy from eBay PayPal feels more secure if something goes wrong but I'll check that site just in case.
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I bought mine from 3 mobile for £450 and they unlocked it for £15 although I do not believe they charged me lol.
I wouldn't buy a phone anywhere but a real shop to be fair, although the Z seems pretty robust and I doubt there will be too much to worry about regarding repairing it.
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Cheap... 480£ is not that cheap but ty.
Thanks but if you buy from eBay PayPal feels more secure if something goes wrong but I'll check that site just in case.
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Ebay are biased towards the buyer. If you get no refund from a seller within 14 days, ebay will give you your money back due to distance selling regulations.
Only issue i've encountered with the phone unlocked, is that with every wipe of the phone with SEUS , I have to add the orange APN for internet access. That's easy though.
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I bought mine from 3 mobile for £450 and they unlocked it for £15 although I do not believe they charged me lol.
I wouldn't buy a phone anywhere but a real shop to be fair, although the Z seems pretty robust and I doubt there will be too much to worry about regarding repairing it.
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Ebay are biased towards the buyer. If you get no refund from a seller within 14 days, ebay will give you your money back due to distance selling regulations.
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Always? Or only if the seller accepts returns?
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BUDDY BUYING THREAD for the Nexus 5

As the new Nexus 5 is only available in some country`s through the Playstore it would be nice if users we`re willing to order a Nexus 5 for those that have no access to the Playstore and are forced to pay a lot more in local stores. All personal conversations are off course private and are to be dealt with through PM or Email.
Please sign up here if you want to particpate and post your location (Country and City) so users can contact you. It would realy only be fair that the participants deserve a (small) compensation for their efforts..
It would be even better if XDA started a thread/service like this
Post your country/city in this thread or PM me so i can post it in the OP which would be better and easier
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Sounds great.
But for those who are uncomfortable with all this stuff, comgateway can help you buy the devices or you could ship the device there and they will reship it to your location using DHL.
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Mach3.2 said:
Sounds great.
But for those who are uncomfortable with all this stuff, comgateway can help you buy the devices or you could ship the device there and they will reship it to your location using DHL.
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I allready found this one http://www.weship-it.com/Home/Dutch, but i prefer a European device to be honest.
Would love it if someone could get one for me. Will of course compensate you.
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Interesting, I might be able to buy two to save on shipping, wondering if anyone is in the Brampton / Mississauga area (Ontario)
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It's a really good idea, but i don't think any italian user can help for this service due to the price...usually in italy we have the highest price in europe. but, we will see
Lamerlengo said:
It's a really good idea, but i don't think any italian user can help for this service due to the price...usually in italy we have the highest price in europe. but, we will see
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True, but many European, Asian and African users that can`t buy from Google Play would be greatly helped
Lamerlengo said:
It's a really good idea, but i don't think any italian user can help for this service due to the price...usually in italy we have the highest price in europe. but, we will see
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Italian price will be the same of others Europena countries (Spain, France, Germany, despite of the iDevices prices)
What type of compensation are people willing to provide outside of the shipping costs?
This sounds like a terrible idea to be honest.
Not to bring my cloud of negativity but you know somebody is going to do the wrong thing and ruin this for everybody else.
Charge back scams, people pocketing the money and not sending the devices. etc etc.
the1onewolf said:
This sounds like a terrible idea to be honest.
Not to bring my cloud of negativity but you know somebody is going to do the wrong thing and ruin this for everybody else.
Charge back scams, people pocketing the money and not sending the devices. etc etc.
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What a party pooper! Geez!!!!
Now, everyone send me your cash, Paypal login, or credit card information and I'd be very happy to buy you several Nexus 5's. Just out of the goodness of my heart.I will not even expect any small compensation for my efforts. It's the least I can do for my XDA friends.
kimtyson said:
What a party pooper! Geez!!!!
Now, everyone send me your cash, Paypal login, or credit card information and I'd be very happy to buy you several Nexus 5's. Just out of the goodness of my heart.I will not even expect any small compensation for my efforts. It's the least I can do for my XDA friends.
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I'm to lazy to stay and wait for the release and keep pressing F5 on my computer, I just want to sleep in. Please get me 5 (1 for me and 4 to resell)
If there is a person works in a good faith could do me a favor to send one to Hong Kong.....
If the device is compatible (4G LTG banding) to HK...
Noted the price you might pay to have it imported might be not much more then what it would cost locally. If you get the 32gig version at $400 the final checkout price will probably be about $460 after tax and shipping. Then add the cost of shipping overseas and you're nearing $500 if the person who does this doesn't charge you a fee. If your local retailer sells the 32gig version for 500 euros then is the extra savings really worth the potential of being scammed?
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psychoace said:
Noted the price you might pay to have it imported might be not much more then what it would cost locally. If you get the 32gig version at $400 the final checkout price will probably be about $460 after tax and shipping. Then add the cost of shipping overseas and you're nearing $500 if the person who does this doesn't charge you a fee. If your local retailer sells the 32gig version for 500 euros then is the extra savings really worth the potential of being scammed?
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500 USD is 363 euro`s, i for one find the difference quite big. But the problem for some users is that they don`t trust each other as shown in the nagative comments on this thread
Request this thread beeing closed/deleted, my intentions we`re good but don`t like where its going
Thread closed as per OPs request..

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