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Angry at Google?

I think many of us (especially us Canadians who are still mostly N7-less) are pretty pissed off at how Google handled the pre-orders. I think many of you would agree that it's a reasonable expectation that pre-orders from the supplier should come before retailers are able to put theirs on the shelf. This is especially reasonable when you consider that we were charged 2-day shipping via UPS without any other alternative from Google. It has also been reported that some Canadians are getting 4-day shipping estimates even though they paid for supposed 2-day shipping.
I know that many of you will probably tell me to stop whining and just suck it up because they didn't break any promise as to the plain writing contractual agreement. But that doesn't mean that there are implicit expectations which should be met in good faith. This is especially true for a company that has a history of catering to its users and still holds the informal motto of "don't be evil".
I know that Google has always been a pretty open company and listened to feedback, and I still trust that they uphold these values. Is there anything we can do as a group of people to voice our opinions directly to them and let them know? I am sure that many of us are also developers hoping to get their first hands on the device as well. And I'm sure that Google would like to keep its developing community happy.
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I just wanted to say why I wrote the post. This is was not meant to be a rant. If you re-read the OP, you will see that I am actually looking for a way to collectively voice to Google our discontent. That's because I believe Google to be a high-quality company that listens to its users. And I do WANT to order from Google Play again for the next device, but not before helping them improve their process by vocalizing our disappointments to them.
A rant in itself is useless, but what I am looking for is a way to let Google know where they can improve so we can enjoy a better Play store in the future.

no point of pre-ordering if we are not given any exclusivity ><

Stop whining.
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Not mad at all, I am getting what I paid for.

It's funny when people say that they aren't upset that they over paid for a product that they'll get after people that didn't pre-order.
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ibopm said:
I think many of us (especially us Canadians who are still mostly N7-less) are pretty pissed off at how Google handled the pre-orders. I think many of you would agree that it's a reasonable expectation that pre-orders from the supplier should come before retailers are able to put theirs on the shelf. This is especially reasonable when you consider that we were charged 2-day shipping via UPS without any other alternative from Google. It has also been reported that some Canadians are getting 4-day shipping estimates even though they paid for supposed 2-day shipping.
I know that many of you will probably tell me to stop whining and just suck it up because they didn't break any promise as to the plain writing contractual agreement. But that doesn't mean that there are implicit expectations which should be met in good faith. This is especially true for a company that has a history of catering to its users and still holds the informal motto of "don't be evil".
I know that Google has always been a pretty open company and listened to feedback, and I still trust that they uphold these values. Is there anything we can do as a group of people to voice our opinions directly to them and let them know? I am sure that many of us are also developers hoping to get their first hands on the device as well. And I'm sure that Google would like to keep its developing community happy.
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awww big baby didnt get his shiny nexus 7 before everyone else *cries*.
Wah. get over it.

Maybe you should launch Angry Birds at them?

I'm a little upset I paid for the shipping from the play store when I could have e just ordered from games top.. Not pay the shipping and get my n7 sooner. It's not that big of a deal for me but everyone will forget later today when they get their devices.
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you got/will get it a week after everyone else. how will you manage to live?

Angry is probably too strong, but i'd have hoped (as with pre-ordering anything) that you'd at least get the thing delivered on launch day. Wouldn't expect to get it early necessarily and there are clear commercial reasons why this wouldn't go down well for a product thats being sold via third parties as well as from Google directly. And if the courier is struggling to keep up then its probably Google's fault for apparently giving regional exclusivity to any single company. After all, the likes of Amazon seem to cope quite well using multiple couriers and getting large volume launches of items out on time.
And certainly the communication side of things could've been alot better done than it has been, not to mention the customer services element for those who tried unsuccessfully to can pre-orders a week or more ago.

Isn't this what that OTHER thread is for?

ikn0wagh0st said:
Stop whining.
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infamousjax said:
awww big baby didnt get his shiny nexus 7 before everyone else *cries*.
Wah. get over it.
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Can't tell if trolls or just stupid.
Did either of you even read the OP? He had an extremely valid point. We paid for required two-day shipping, supposedly in an effort to receive our products on or before the day everyone else could receive theirs. Of course this was not guaranteed by Google, but the fact that it didn't happen makes it unlikely that I'll ever preorder another Google product unless they adapt the same philosophy used elsewhere, like Amazon and Apple.
I followed the rumors since the 370T, preordered within minutes of availability, paid extra for mandatory expedited shipping, and it's finally being delivered tonight. Folks simply wandered into stores last week and picked theirs up. That's not how it should work. I'm not whining - I just believe Google should handle things differently in the future.

infamousjax said:
awww big baby didnt get his shiny nexus 7 before everyone else *cries*.
Wah. get over it.
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That's not my point as Jiggavolt has also explained. I would gladly have paid $5 or $10 shipping to get 3-week shipping rather than the 2-day shipping. But since we were required to purchase $20 (Canadian) 2-day shipping (which turned out to NOT be 2-DAY shipping AT ALL), I think it's fair to say that I feel a little cheated. Beyond that, there are implicit expectations that have not really been followed through or at least communicated. Even a simple apology to say that they were a bit slow would satisfy me.
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Isn't this what that OTHER thread is for?
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No, I'm seeking an avenue to communicate discontent with Google in a collective way.

ibopm said:
No, I'm seeking an avenue to communicate discontent with Google in a collective way.
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Ha! Since you stated that so eloquently, I just can't argue with it

Yeah, I could see being upset, actually. I ended up just calling all of the Gamestop stores within 15 miles (probably 6 of them) before I found one that had one in stock.

I would be angry too, but mainly about the 2 day shipping issue. However, I believe that UPS is at fault here if they cannot deliver within two days, not Google. I did not want to pay for shipping so I picked mine up at Staples on Sunday.

It's easy. Next time Google comes out with another device. DO NOT ORDER FROM THE PLAY STORE no matter what they say. You will get PLAYED again. They named it the PLAY store for a reason.
In my mind, Google has botched the entire process from start to finish.
1. Mystery specs - for the longest time, nobody could figure out if it had MHL or HDMI out, USB OTG, external storage, etc. Even media sites were conflicted on these features.
2. Saying that it will only be available on the Played store when it wasn't.
3. Shipping to retailers FIRST before fulfilling their own pre-orders hoping that retailers will hold them for an unspecified amount of time.
4. Shipping devices in no discernible order (FIFO, LIFO), etc.
5. Shipping 8GB orders first before 16GB, and then 16GB before those that also bundled a case with it.
6. 2 day shipping questionable... existing posted screenshots showing estimated time of delivery of 4+ days confirms this.
7. Canada gets brown back and US gets black back. WTF?
8. No able to cancel orders and no response from e-mails (at least for emails from Canada).
9. No specific launch date except mid-July. It's mid-July already, and some haven't even seen movement on their orders.
10. No explanation from Google over this fiasco.
The only redeeming feature was the price.
I don't know if this is Asus' fault or not, but Google is to blame. I think what Google should have done is hold shipping to retailers until they fulfilled their own Played store pre-orders first. None of this "everyone gets it at the same time" crap... WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T ORDER IT AT THE SAME TIME, so why go this route? If retailers don't have stock to sell, they can't sell it. However, if they do and it is taking up space, you can bet somebody is going to break the rule... esp. when there is no specific date to sell it.
The Played store is the premiere store for buying google branded devices. Google should make sure that when you order from there, you are at least guaranteed to get it the same time, if not earlier, than all other retailers at launch. Otherwise it is pointless to pay shipping when you could just walk to your local B&M and buy it right away for the same price - minus shipping. As it stands now, you would be a fool to order from the played store for the next device no matter how exclusive it will be.
The next time around, not ordering devices from the played store will be a good lesson for google.
If Steve Jobs were alive and this was an Apple product, he would have made it right by now. God rest his soul, he's probably laughing in his grave right now.

In the words of Justin Timberlake... Cry me a river.

I can't say I'm exactly thrilled over the situation. I found out Staples has them on the shelf right now. Meanwhile, I've received nothing from Google regarding my pre-order. No status update, no shipping notification, nothing. It stings a little bit to realize I'm paying more to get it later when you factor in the shipping cost... especially when I could have one within 5 minutes since Staples is just down the road...
I'm not exactly angry to go to war with Google over this, but this is definitely some serious food for thought for future purchases. I can't see myself possibly pre-ordering through Google again.

Anyone who pre-ordered with the expectation of receiving it before those who didn't pre-order, had the wrong expectations. I've been involved with many pre-orders and known of many many more. I've never seen one with that expectation.
However, you should expect to receive it on the generally available (GA) date. That's where this release broke down. Whether it's Google or Asus, it doesn't matter. The process failed.
However number 2. When I saw that pre-orders were paying for shipping and taxes, a flag went up for me. I decided to not pre-order as it would be cheaper for me to walk into a store and buy on the GA date. I saw little value in pre-ordering.

How Google Messed Up the N7 launch

So I just got done on the phone with Google and was extra pissed this morning. I explained how I preordered the N7 and it came after I went and got one (defective) from Sam's Club. The guy was pretty sympathetic and explained that the N7 wasn't supposed to be sold in retail stores until July 22nd! Apparently one guy made a mistake that let one store (Wouldn't tell me what store) start selling the N7. Other retailers said that if _____ is selling the N7, we should too.
Pretty crazy that this whole mess was because of ONE PERSON.
He also said I was the first person that he'd talked to that has had two defective devices. He went on by saying that out of all the N7s only 1% are defective. Sounds like TOTAL BS.
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im pretty sure he told you that just to get you off the phone...
But i know a few stores like Adorama and Ebuyer started selling the Nexus 7 around 5th or 11th.. then Google supposedly told them to go back to pre-order
Google messed up by not having enough of stock and hiring people off the street to ship these things
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/07/12/google-nexus-7-release-date-remains-unclear/

Launch is over, crap happens all the time, not sure why anyone would care at this point.
Maybe some people won't do preorders next time.. Don't see how that is going to hurt anyone including Google. Hot products will always have demand.
Time to move on to current topics... Not rehash the past.
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I fail to understand how this is a "messed up" launch when Google didn't give an official release date. Also, 8GB preorders through the Play store are being fulfilled just fine.
If anything, the retailers are the ones messing it up.

Stop whining and go do something useful.

Pretty sure the failure rate is well below the 1% (which is what this sorta consumer electronics rate is typically measured against). Google will have surely sold millions of these suckers by now, so there will naturally be plenty of threads of people that have problems, just like there are plenty of threads about any other consumer device.
Just be thankful it's nowhere close to the the 60% failure rate of the Xbox360. The worst consumer product in the history of man....

I'm sure most people blame Gamestop for selling them too soon. I know people who work there and the go-ahead came from Google. If that was the "mistake" then so be it. Holding them all back to the 22nd is just silly though. If the devices were in the store around the 6th then Google should have shipped them then so we could all have them on the 12th.
As far as the defective units, 1-3 percent is the norm and I think that's probably where the Nexus falls. I'd imagine it's closer to 3 because of the screen "washed out" issue that will go unreported by many.
So far I'm aware of
- ghosting which seems to hit only pre-release white units
- dead pixels, often forming a line
- raised screen
- other hardware faults such as speakers not being connected, headphone jack giving distorted sound etc..

Complainers are louder than the satisfied. My first unit from Staples is perfect and the second that I received yesterday from B&H is perfect too. The touch input settings are on both are a little overly sensitive but an OTA update will correct that.

earlyberd said:
I fail to understand how this is a "messed up" launch when Google didn't give an official release date. Also, 8GB preorders through the Play store are being fulfilled just fine.
If anything, the retailers are the ones messing it up.
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The retailers were given a tentative release date and told they could start shipping on the 12th, the same day the Nexus 7 arrived in their inventory.
http://www.androidauthority.com/office-depot-nexus-7-launch-july-12-100540/
Google pushed it back at the last minute and someone didn't listen.
No one jumped the gun, unless the gunshot in this scenario meant "Wait, wait, don't go!"

Nxxx said:
Pretty crazy that this whole mess was because of ONE PERSON.
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Typically phone support personnel are at the bottom of the corporate ladder and would have no inside knowledge other than their own unsubstantiated speculation.
He was just being a tool....

I work on phones as well, and I don't make up bull****. Reason being: Calls are recorded, so you have to be able to back up what you say, period.
Anyhow, The usual rule of thumb is that people with a happy experience hardly look to go out of their way on a forum to comment how nice it is.. on the other hand.. when something is working terribly, they flock to websites and forums to complain.
Seeing as only a small percentage of us are having issues, and even we're just a small amount of total buyers out there. I'd say everything has gone well enough so far.

Nobody cares. Move on.
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Its was justt chaos. Im sorry for the PS orderers. Gamestop allowed me to pick mine up on the 13th
Some of the Uk members who ordered from eBuyer might have got it earlier than I did

Google Sent Me 7 Defective Nexus 7 Tablets and is REFUSING RMAS anymoreq

I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts

Anakin_SW said:
I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts
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Good to know, but as long as they offer a full refund I see no problem with this.
I gave up on replacements and asked for a refund after my third unit, so don't mistake my tone. It just seems like a reasonable way to cut their losses.

Anakin_SW said:
I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts
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That really sucks. You were trying their product, and you obviously liked it and wanted a good one.
Google is really pushing away some of us customers with this fiasco.

I think it's amazing you got 7 different nexuses (nexi?) with no questions asked. Perhaps they think you are too hard too please so they are giving up. Some people get multiple devices and are content with them because they have no issues, you got 7 and saw issues with all of them. Luck of the draw I guess. The odds are crazy that you got that many messed up ones. How many other companies would easily do 7 replacements.

durangatang said:
I think it's amazing you got 7 different nexuses (nexi?) with no questions asked. Perhaps they think you are too hard too please so they are giving up. Some people get multiple devices and are content with them because they have no issues, you got 7 and saw issues with all of them. Luck of the draw I guess. The odds are crazy that you got that many messed up ones. How many other companies would easily do 7 replacements.
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Well, and this is not a rant. I was very patient and offered them options such as running a quality assurance on a tablet prior to shipping or even repairing any of my tablets by replacing the LCD. They continuously told me that they'd contact me and never did and even getting RMAs was difficult as near the end they kept "Misplacing my CSSN". They really have been playing games and I was a huge fan of Google. Disappointing.

I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Good memory! I ended up accepting the tablets because one was a gift for my father and they were sold out everywhere and it's difficult to take a gift back after it's been promised. However, while it's clever that you're trying to attack my character and mitigate my experience, each instance is unrelated, though caused by the same issue, which is Google's treatment of their customers.

I'm surprised this is the first time I've heard this. But I think Google is being completely reasonable by cutting off people with excessive RMAs. Obviously after 6 or 7 returns on a device they aren't making money off of already, they are deep in the hole with you as a customer and will never make it back on whatever apps and content you might have purchased.
I agree it sucks that the device isn't perfect. But 6 RMA in a month, too much. Maybe after the 2nd or 3rd RMA you should have stopped, lived with the raised glass or whatever, and given ASUS more time to address their manufacturing process, then try another RMA later. That is what I'm doing anyway, I had my 2 RMAs in July, still not completely happy, but it's usable and I'm just patiently waiting for things to get better (sounds like we are almost there).

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Good memory! I ended up accepting the tablets because one was a gift for my father and they were sold out everywhere and it's difficult to take a gift back after it's been promised. However, while it's clever that you're trying to attack my character and mitigate my experience, each instance is unrelated, though caused by the same issue, which is Google's treatment of their customers.
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Your posting history and claims speak for themselves. Nuff said.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Imagine if he cashed in on all 7 google play 25$ GC, thats 175!

I'd have cut you off at three. I think most people who have experiences running or managing businesses would say the same. At some point, you have to cut the losses. i cant see why youre surprised, youre lucky as hell to have gotten 7 without being billed for google's time and effort in my opinion. But with googles resources i can understand them being so generous.
Just lou said nothing about it being related, he was just pointing out the kind of attitude and the outlook you so often have. He only stated the facts in his post and wasn't just throwing around rumors or opinions.
I'm really sorry that you got a defective Nexus 7. I understand you being upset with google about a defective product. But it makes no sense that you've had a company send you 7 devices, not charge you anything extra, and offer you a full refund when you still weren't happy, and you have a snotty attitude. It just screams of entitlement.
You're entitled to use your own money and go buy another device, or use a typewriter. Entitled to a dozen devices, and google paying for all of the labor it takes to send you those, do the paperwork, legwork, shipping, and any other costs, just because you aren't happy with the first one or a full refund, in my opinion you certainly are not.
I think in the case of 7 accepted RMA's, it should be the shareholders getting onto google, not you complaining about them.

There are plenty of people on the XDA who have exchanged several, five or more Nexus 7's for similar reasons. I don't think it's that surprising that bum products are exchanged. But you're entitled to your opinions.
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I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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I'd have cut you off at three. I think most people who have experiences running or managing businesses would say the same. At some point, you have to cut the losses. i cant see why youre surprised, youre lucky as hell to have gotten 7 without being billed for google's time and effort in my opinion. But with googles resources i can understand them being so generous.
Just lou said nothing about it being related, he was just pointing out the kind of attitude and the outlook you so often have. He only stated the facts in his post and wasn't just throwing around rumors or opinions.
I'm really sorry that you got a defective Nexus 7. I understand you being upset with google about a defective product. But it makes no sense that you've had a company send you 7 devices, not charge you anything extra, and offer you a full refund when you still weren't happy, and you have a snotty attitude. It just screams of entitlement.
You're entitled to use your own money and go buy another device, or use a typewriter. Entitled to a dozen devices, and google paying for all of the labor it takes to send you those, do the paperwork, legwork, shipping, and any other costs, just because you aren't happy with the first one or a full refund, in my opinion you certainly are not.
I think in the case of 7 accepted RMA's, it should be the shareholders getting onto google, not you complaining about them.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Your posting history and claims speak for themselves. Nuff said.
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Although demanding a free case as reparations is a bit silly, I cancelled my pre-order on what turned out to be the final day the Play store was accepting cancellations. Since that allowed me to pick one up on Friday the 13th, the week before anyone in America received their Google Play pre-order, I was very lucky to have been able to cancel. I also saved $20 -- more than shipping -- because I got it discounted from Sam's.
If I had been told that it was too late to cancel, then forced to wait a week and charged $20 extra, I would have been angry too. I probably wouldn't have done anything about it, unlike the OP, but according to you my complaining about it here would have gone some way towards discrediting me and my experience with faulty units. You would think I was just lashing out.
His and my experiences aren't so different. I received three units with screen lift, and before each replacement I called and talked to Google about what amount of screen lift was considered normal. Both times I was advised to exchange. The reason I asked for a refund on my third unit was that I don't need the tablet so badly that I cannot wait for a hardware revision, and this fault could potentially worsen over time. Three in a row and it seemed illogical to try again, so now I'm waiting it out.
The only differences between Anakin's experience and my own are that I called to cancel my pre-order a day or two earlier, and I stopped at three.
Do you think that I'm lying as well?

I can certainly understand Nexus 7 deciding to shut you down after 7 RMA's. Settle up and part ways. You may not like it, but Google has already spent a lot of money sending tablets via UPS/Fedex back and forth in an effort to please you. They have decided that they cannot. Well within their rights to do so, Google is a private business and can choose not to do business with anyone for any reason so long as that reason is not discrimination against a protected class. Put yourself in Google's shoes. If you sent a person 7 brand new in box units and that person found a reason to reject every one of them, what do you think the odds are that the customer will accept the 8th?

I just wanted to make sure I didn't convey the wrong message. I applaud google for replacing the units like they do. But after 7 RMA's, I don't at all blame them for cutting him off, I think it's very reasonable.
pxlitup, I'm familiar with your posts. You post with intelligence and offer up a lot of valuable information, so please don't think I'm lumping any users together.

True. 7 Nexus is excessive. I'm not saying Google has the best CS in the world but try rma-ing 7 times with any other company I bet you most would have giving up on the OP by the 3rd unit.
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Dude you are just a troll judging from all your posts. Come on you got 7 Nexus 7's in a month. Asus must have the best customer service on the planet. I don't think Apple would do that.
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When we had customers that just simply had issues non stop its better to break off from that customer. The time and resource usually from fixinng non broken items was to much time wasted
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Asus has nothing to do with it. When you buy through Google, they handle exchanges. But, you already bought through the Play Store and are posting your opinion which is based on your personal experience, I'm sure.
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Dude you are just a troll judging from all your posts. Come on you got 7 Nexus 7's in a month. Asus must have the best customer service on the planet. I don't think Apple would do that.
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Anakin_SW said:
Asus has nothing to do with it. When you buy through Google, they handle exchanges. But, you already bought through the Play Store and are posting your opinion which is based on your personal experience, I'm sure.
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I bought mine through the play store.. It had screen lift and quite a creak.
The creak I fixed with a 2"x1/4" piece of paper, and the screen lift I fixed with a hardcover copy of the OED and about two days of patience.. ALL of this I did without voiding my warranty or wasting an RMA ticket.
After 7RMA's, you need to take the refund and either wait until they hammer out the manufacturing process, or just buy something else. The fact that you feel ASUS/Google is actually in the wrong for cutting you off after your sixth RMA speaks fathoms about you. #JustSaying

[POLL]: Should Google re-implement the pre-order system?

Simple question: Should Google re-implement the pre-order system?
Hopefully some "people of power" within Google will look at the stats generated from this Poll, and adjust their game plan accordingly.
I personally think the pre-order system is the only way to conduct sales on a Lunch date of a high-demand new product for a several reasons, some of them being:
a) Allows both the Manufacturer and/or Google to accurately gauge the market demand prior to launch, and thus create/plan stock accordingly.
b) Allows accurate shipping times to be predicted based on the volume of orders, rather than playing a "guessing game".
c) Allows a specific amount of Launch Date devices to be in stock to at least meet the demand of some of the "on the day purchases", while still achieving the "sold out effect" marketing scheme, if they want.
d) Consumers are more comfortable being informed with expected wait times for orders; comfortable with the fact that the device is already on pre-order (now it's in the hands of Google to roll out the devices). AND consumers don't have to keep checking a website in order to find out if it's available again or not.
The bottom line is: The pre-order system is a more professional and organized approach to selling a high demand item, from only one online source.
Furthermore, I think that Google Play should start taking orders now for the re-stock of Nexus devices, so that even if it has to put on back-order, at least the consumer knows they're in-line/queue for the device, when it becomes available, no more frequent and unnecessary effort in consistently checking back.

I would prefer it would over refreshing lots
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google could care less about the stats from an xda post... we comprise of probably less than 0.01% of the buying market for the n4

I think they should!. Thing is.... Pre ordering gives us as the consumer the option to give interest and thus giving Google the information needed to generate a general clue as of demand. At the moment, the only demand they can calculate is site activities.
As its been mentioned all over this forum, both here in the UK & Internationally. Google, has really shown themselves to be very amateurish on how they have conducted there orders and allowing the customer to show interest in purchasing there products.
Poorly managed I hear you ask?!... Its been a complete embarrassment for such a big company!.
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Lock up peoples money before every delivering a phone? Of course they should. It's a good business model

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Lock up peoples money before every delivering a phone? Of course they should. It's a good business model
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Well if you want the device, you want the device. You're going to pay either now or later, doesn't make a different.
Better to be informed and secure that your device is on order and not "up in the air".

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google could care less about the stats from an xda post... we comprise of probably less than 0.01% of the buying market for the n4
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dont know about that. they dont even advertise. most people i know dont even know google makes devices. for that matter android lmao. i bet most of the buyers were from xda such as myself

Except that it is not legal to sell something a product that you do not have in hand.
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Oh ya xda website during launch was almost crashing and not Google huh?..... didn't know xda had better servers.

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For something like nexus 4 I would definitely put down my money even it was 6 months before shipping.

It should make a eu play store devices... thre are no custom between states in europe, why is only in 5 countries ._.

There was problems when they did preordering before however there was only really 2 problems they needed to fix rather than abandoning preorders completely.
First the problem with the nexus 7 was that as orders came in it didn't change the estimated delivery timescale. If the site updates the estimate even if it gets to be weeks at least you know what to be expect. How hard is it to say we have x thousand for release, y thousand a week later and update the estimate accordingly as ordered are placed.
Secondly the other problem was they ended up sending out newly placed orders immediately while seeming to forget about those that preordered. This is something that should have been fixed quite easily by simply fulfilling orders in the correct order.
I agree that if they did preordering properly it would be better than the current system.
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gbroon said:
There was problems when they did preordering before however there was only really 2 problems they needed to fix rather than abandoning preorders completely.
First the problem with the nexus 7 was that as orders came in it didn't change the estimated delivery timescale. If the site updates the estimate even if it gets to be weeks at least you know what to be expect. How hard is it to say we have x thousand for release, y thousand a week later and update the estimate accordingly as ordered are placed.
Secondly the other problem was they ended up sending out newly placed orders immediately while seeming to forget about those that preordered. This is something that should have been fixed quite easily by simply fulfilling orders in the correct order.
I agree that if they did preordering properly it would be better than the current system.
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I love how your solution solving procedure is the solution itself... lol
How did you come up with 4? 4.

Over 90% so far agree that they should re-implement pre-ordering. Good stats so far

MatAuc12 said:
Except that it is not legal to sell something a product that you do not have in hand.
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Haha says who?

Honestly, I would vote that Google leave the ordering/shipping business all together. They can still make great devices, but launch after launch, Google has proved that they just can't get a clue. If Amazon.com can give me free two day shipping on a 15 pound medicine ball and charge me $30, I think that Google should be able to successfully launch 5, yes 5 new products at the same time. And remember, this is not the first F'd up launch. Pre-orders for the N7 didn't go so well either.
Personally, I will stay with the Nexus line far into the future, however, no longer will I be purchasing from Google directly.
And PS, their ordering web site look like it is from 10 years ago, doesn't provide barely any useful information, and sometimes doesn't even get updated until after the even has happened (IE, someone receives and order even though their order says "Pending"). This is from the same company that created an app that can zoom all over the world and show us down to 100 feet what a street in, say, China, looks like.

Nah screw that. I like instant gratification, and want my stuff as soon as its announces.

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Haha says who?
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Someone who knows more than you apparently.

BakaPhoenix said:
It should make a eu play store devices... thre are no custom between states in europe, why is only in 5 countries ._.
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I think google likes EU custumores buy million of Apple devices. And Apple thanks.
Google = :angel:

Google royally screwed up the launch, everyone can agree with that. Google should implement a preorder system and like you said allowed people to secure their place in line.
Even Apple allows people to do that via carriers (Rogers in Canada allowed people to pre-order). Looks like there's a lot Google needs to learn before they get this right as their Nexus 7 launch wasn't that good in the first place.
deltatux

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Google royally screwed up the launch, everyone can agree with that. Google should implement a preorder system and like you said allowed people to secure their place in line.
Even Apple allows people to do that via carriers (Rogers in Canada allowed people to pre-order). Looks like there's a lot Google needs to learn before they get this right as their Nexus 7 launch wasn't that good in the first place.
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Agreed.

Someone from Google Finally gives an apology

Dear all
I know that what you are going through is unacceptable and we are all working through the nights and weekends to resolve this issue. Supplies from the manufacturer are scarce and erratic, and our communication has been flawed. I can offer an unreserved apology for our service and communication failures in this process.
For those that originally received a 3-5 days shipping estimate, your orders are now in process for fulfillment. You can expect an email notification early this week which will include tracking information. Although you will be initially charged in full, you will receive a credit for the shipping charge soon after.
For others that received pre-Christmas shipping estimates, we anticipate processing your orders for fulfillment this week.
I realise that the people who ordered the Nexus 4 so early are among our most committed and loyal users and we are doing all we can to put things right.
Sorry again.
Dan
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Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame

erosgulo said:
Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

CrazyPeter said:
What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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granted, some people are drama queens, but there are many people who still haven't received their order from Nov 13, and don't forget all the backordered folks from the initial release. Still there's some 1-2 weekers who have not received shipping emails. There's also the issue of ppl not receiving their devices in proportion to their order time. Furthermore, he's also apologizing about their lack of communication, which was another issue.
Also, providing an example of a greater failure doesn't justify this one haha.

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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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WHAT???!!! AN APOLOGY FOR LATE SHIPPING???!!! WHO CARES! FK HIM AND HIS APOLOGY!!!!
Where's an apology for USB/OTG and all the hardware issues??? Who needs an apology, recall this phone and start over again. They need to be hit where it hurts, in the wallet. Apologies don't hurt them financially. Fk that.

A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.

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A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.
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I wonder if/when google will bring the nexus line to motorola if we'll see an actual big player rise in the smartphone world. I imagine if google put in an actual real solitary effort into the nexus line (instead of these half assed cooperative efforts) and advertised its product well, we would see a legitimate competitor in the smartphone market. There is some money to be made with the rise of android in the past year. I hope google will consider augmenting its objectives for the nexus line in the near future.

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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
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What mess? Lol too funny
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estallings15 said:
Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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Because people like posting =)

Not to mention people ordering later than others but still get their phones shipped sooner...

The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.

The only mistake???
Pfft.

Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.

I find it hard to believe how cynical everyone is. I had a few issues as well with Google, but I called and talked through it all. I know some of the customer service representatives are a little clueless, but those who have't got their device yet, probably could have done something about it. Also, Google is new to this game, you can't expect everything to be perfect their first try.
And yes I know they've sold devices before, I have purchased almost all of them, but I don't believe they have ever had such a high demand.
Just relax and enjoy the holidays.

munchy_cool said:
Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.
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Ermmm... what's with that announcement? Did not correctly estimate sandy schedule?

biffsmash said:
The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.
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Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.

When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
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The preorders would run out as fast as orders, so you still won't be happy. Preorders don't magically speed up production.
No company on this earth has an infinite supply chain flexibility. Or they are grossly mismanaged. I don't see how it is a failure.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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Dunno, I suppose LG probably won't even bid for another nexus. And the next OEM will be Compal, ZTE, Huawei or something.
Or even Motorola, like "dear OEMs, if you don't elect supplying us with a new platform, Motorola will. This is not a threat, we repeat, this is not a threat!"
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Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.
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There woudn't be any supply problems, sleepless nights and anxiety So el goog wouldn't fail and everyone would be happy

I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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neim81094 said:
I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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What bugs are these that require new devices?