Hey i was wondering if anyone knew if the Droid 3, or its equivalent the Moto xt 860:
( WCDMA 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 14.4 Mbps (Category 9/10), EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12, HSUPA 5.76 Mbps)
will work on Telus Canada network (after being unlocked of course), and work well (data and everything working). Thanks
It should work with their sim cards after unlock, yes.
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BuckM said:
Hey i was wondering if anyone knew if the Droid 3, or its equivalent the Moto xt 860:
( WCDMA 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, HSDPA 14.4 Mbps (Category 9/10), EDGE Class 12, GPRS Class 12, HSUPA 5.76 Mbps)
will work on Telus Canada network (after being unlocked of course), and work well (data and everything working). Thanks
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I am currently using the XT860 on Telus, no problems at all. You just have to add the APN for Telus before you can use data. And as BuckM pointed out, you have to make sure the phone is SIM unlocked.
Xt860 on telus configuration
http://www.telusmobility.com/fr/QC/phones_and_devices/setupdata.shtml
Both work fine on Telus. Unlock the of course is required.
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I'm looking at some locked Verizon Droid 3's on ebay, I'm under the impression they are xt862's not xt860, If I get the unlock code (online) will they function with TELUS?
I read there are radio differences between the two (XT862 from US, XT860 CAN/Brazil).
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I'm looking at some locked Verizon Droid 3's on ebay, I'm under the impression they are xt862's not xt860, If I get the unlock code (online) will they function with TELUS?
I read there are radio differences between the two (XT862 from US, XT860 CAN/Brazil).
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The xt862 should work on telus, however verizon changes the unlock code so only verizon can unlock them. In order to do this it has to be hooked up to a verizon acct in good standing. More hassle than its worth. Get a xt860
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Endoroid said:
The xt862 should work on telus, however verizon changes the unlock code so only verizon can unlock them. In order to do this it has to be hooked up to a verizon acct in good standing. More hassle than its worth. Get a xt860
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Or get the users to ship it already unlocked after he gets the code from Verizon. Tell him it is and make it a deal breaker, if it's not unlocked you can keep it and see what he says. Verizon has a habit of giving out the PUK(personal unlock code used to unlock your phone if you enter the wrong sim code too many times) and calling it a sim unlock code, it's caused a lot of confusion on these forums and others and is something to watch out for as well, you want the phone unlocked, not with the code.
Or get an xt862 that has never been activated on verizons network. Afaik when its first activated is when the code is changed
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The one I purchased was advertised as a CLEAN ESN, and I was able to unlock it ($6, and 15 min wait) and confirm functionality.
The only issue I seem to be encountering is with the data connection. I added the apn information in the connection settings and it does work but when I switch between Wifi and back it stops working. Also when it works it seems very slow...
So stock with just the unlock I'm not sure if it's 100% working on TELUS.
Any ideas?
I followed this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1406812
And it seems to work a bit better.
I know this is an old thread, but to clear the records you can unlock and use the Droid 3 by Verizon on Telus or any other canadian provider without issues, so for those that state you need to have Verizon unlock the device before using is totally wrong 110%
Go nuts and buy those locked or unlocked Droids to use on Telus or rogers etc... it will work, just add the APN by the specific provider and your good to go,
On another note please also look at the specs before purchasing any device make sure the Network Frequency also matches.
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I know this is an old thread, but to clear the records you can unlock and use the Droid 3 by Verizon on Telus or any other canadian provider without issues, so for those that state you need to have Verizon unlock the device before using is totally wrong 110%
Go nuts and buy those locked or unlocked Droids to use on Telus or rogers etc... it will work, just add the APN by the specific provider and your good to go,
On another note please also look at the specs before purchasing any device make sure the Network Frequency also matches.
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That, unless Verizon altered the default unlock code. And this is about 50% in the cases. You being lucky doesn't mean everyone else is.
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What are you talking about? Verizon has nothing to do with altering the unlock codes, i have done this for over 100 verizon phones 10 of those were all droid 3's so what are you talking about?
I am looking to try to dring my droid 4 to straight talk. A lot of places have said plenty of different things. But can anyone tell me how I can do this for the droid 4. I can find barely anything for the droid 4 itself. Most of the stuff I find is for other droid models and none of them are clear for the process.
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I am looking to try to dring my droid 4 to straight talk. A lot of places have said plenty of different things. But can anyone tell me how I can do this for the droid 4. I can find barely anything for the droid 4 itself. Most of the stuff I find is for other droid models and none of them are clear for the process.
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It looks like you can unlock the phone for GSM -- I'd follow the guides relevant to that. Next, you'll need an unlocked GSM StraightTalk MicroSIM card.
I'm going to take a gamble and try this myself and see what happens and if I can pull it off. Are you intending to run this as a GSM phone or a CDMA phone?
As I recall only 2G works with AT&T/GSM, but potentially some other people have unlocked it for 3G... I'll be testing and let you know!
I too am curious about using this with straight talk. I had heard about 50/50 with people getting 3g to work with GSM. There was another post in this forum about unlocking the bands, so I might have to give that a try..
Just FYI -- in case anyone comes across this post at a future date:
At present (October 1st, 2012), the GSM bands in America remain locked (despite what some websites have claimed) and no workaround has been discovered as of yet.
I tried placing my MicroSIM for StraightTalk in the D4 and had no luck, unfortunately! :-/
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It looks like you can unlock the phone for GSM -- I'd follow the guides relevant to that. Next, you'll need an unlocked GSM StraightTalk MicroSIM card.
I'm going to take a gamble and try this myself and see what happens and if I can pull it off. Are you intending to run this as a GSM phone or a CDMA phone?
As I recall only 2G works with AT&T/GSM, but potentially some other people have unlocked it for 3G... I'll be testing and let you know!
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i would like to go to straight talk using cdma if possible.. anyone know how to program the droid 4 on the straight talk network.??
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Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
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Hey, Just the thread i needed !!!
Off the research so far,
Droid 4(XT894) is a CDMA Device whose ESN is attached/programmed to a verizon mobile number ... right ?
Within the US this device does not support/accomodate a GSM SIM card ... right ?
While outside US, Verizon number works on international roaming.
meaning Calls and text(does internaltional verizon data work too) work on this phone while travelling internationally just fine ... right ?
While travelling outside US, one could load a Local GSM SIM card and this will enable this phone to work like just any other GSM phone ... right ?
Here's where my question's lie ...
When a GSM SIM card is loaded outside US what happens to the pre-programmed Verizon Number which was working on roaming ?
Does the verizon number work alongside the international GSM SIM card ?
Do calls to the Verizon Roaming number and the local GSM SIM number both work together ?
If so ... can one use Verizon Roaming number for calls, and the local GSM SIM for internet data ? ... simultaneously ?
Will it be the same like a dual-sim phone where both numbers work simultaneously ?
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Is it true that this phone supports even a CDMA SIM Card on its SIM slot ?
thanks for reading and any info is greatly appreciated.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
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Really all verizon uses is the sim card, I have pulled my sim card out and used it with my XT908, XT894, and XT907 without ever contacting verizon about the change, and call, text, LTE all work fine.
The XT894 can only be connected to either cdma or gms not both.
It will not work with other USA carriers
If using outside of the USA, gms will work but suggest installing the gms patch, for improved compatibility.
[PATCH][GUIDE] Patch to fully enable GSM on Verizon CDMA Android phones by Mentor.37
You will need to root, and install Safestrap, before installing the patch.
See the index.
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thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
OR
Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
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thanks for the quick reply @sd_shadow ...
So that confirms that the SIM slot reads both GSM and CDMA SIM modules.
I still have a feeling that Verizon (i could be wrong, hence the question) programs these phones to work based on their ESN No. else why would people on ebay sell phones with 'CLEAN ESN' ... If a verizon CDMA SIM can work out of this phone why does one need a clean ESN, I thought clean ESN's are used to program CDMA mobile nos. through them !
Anybody here running a Droid 4 (XT894) without a verizon CDMA SIM just fine ?
OR
Droid 4 (XT894) runs only through a Verizon CDMA SIM unlike its non SIM based older cousins ?
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ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
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ESN is old technology, and hasn't been used for some time.
What are ESN, MEID, and IMEI (device identifiers)?
Every device has a MEID and/or a IMEI which is used along with the sim.
Verizon will blacklist a device if it is reported stolen or you don't pay your bill.
Lots of people are using the Droid 4 outside of the USA, but only with GSM/3g
LTE only works with Verizon.
The Droid 4 will not work without a sim card, GSM nor LTE/CDMA.
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@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
Probably my original question would seem relevant to a ... GSM-SIM-SLOT-modded ... Motorola Photon Q LTE (XT897) ... as that is a device which works as a programmed phone and there is no SIM Card Slot for CDMA SIM either (or has it got one ?) !!!
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
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@sd_shadow ... appreciate the quick response and the clarification.
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA, hence my question if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of verizon, then would it be likely that this phone's LTE might work ?
Any ways thanks for the information !!!
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That's alot of ifs, not many facts.
aiamuzz said:
I read somewhere that Droid 4 can be registered with other CDMA operators outside USA only with an ESN Number, hence my question ... if that is another way to program a device with a mobile number to run without a CDMA SIM.
With regard to LTE ... If any country has a LTE network running on a frequency(700 MHz) similar to that of Verizon, then may be this phone's LTE might work ?
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The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
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The Droid 4 can be manually programmed via DFS CDMA Tool, but only through the stock boot process and ROM. You would have to adapt the process a bit for a foreign carrier, of course, and getting the needed info might be slightly harder.
After being manually programmed, and if Mobile Networks > Subscription Type is set to NV-only, it can be used just like an older 3g-only phone: data works, SMS/MMS works, etc. You DO need a SIM card installed in LP, though, or it constantly complains about the SIM missing and stock SMS won't send messages. Certain KK ROMS (SlimKat for instance) don't need a SIM card installed at all. Whether the SIM is old or new, active or not, etc shouldn't matter.
Assuming you get through all that, you'd also need a carrier who is willing to add your IMEI to the network to "activate" the phone. As far as I know, no Verizon-based MVNOs do this after the beginning of this year (PagePlus was probably the last, they finally stopped after Verizon started double-charging for each activation), but I'd imagine carriers outside of the US would have less of a problem with it. Again, getting the needed information to program by hand might be difficult, and the phone can't be automatically programmed OTA.
Best way I can think of to get said information would be to get a natively 3G phone, have it programmed OTA, then access it with DFS or the like to see what the programming is like. Copy the parameters to the Droid, have service transferred to its IMEI, bam, in theory you have 3g service.
While there might be other carriers using the 700mhz LTE band, depending on how standardized LTE is or isn't, they might not be using it in the exact same way as Verizon. It's certainly possible that it would work perfectly fine, but I wouldn't bet money on it.
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thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
aiamuzz said:
thanks @Septfox ...
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
During such an instance if i load a GSM SIM of another operator what would be the situation ?
I am just looking at using CDMA for Call & SMS(would be good too if Data worked) ... And from my GSM SIM i would like to use only the Data !
So what are the chances of that ?
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Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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Droid 4 cannot use cdma and gms at the same time.
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:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
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Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
aiamuzz said:
:crying:
well, i was hoping it would !
Ok, Coming to these phones on sale on Ebay with clean ESN and those with bad ESN's !
In US and with Verizon may be a bad ESN phone is nothing but a paper weight!
Where does it stand with other CDMA operators in US ?
&
Where does it stand with CDMA operators outside US ?
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Clean and bad esn, usually only refers to verizon, carriers usually do not share blacked listed info.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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If you want a phone that will work with non verizon carrier in the USA I wouldn't get the Droid 4.
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not that it applies to me, but i would certainly like to be informed !
may be someone else may find the info useful, well that's the whole idea behind this thread ... isn't it now ?
If you want a phone that works on cdma outside of the USA, do not get the Droid 4, it was not designed for that.
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At best you will have limited compatibility.
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aiamuzz said:
So if One was using SLIMCAT ROM and somehow programmed the phone to say a CDMA operator(the way you've described), say in India(from where i am) ... then without a CDMA SIM card this phone's Call, SMS & Data(3G) should work just fine ?
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In theory, yes. As long as the channels match up, CDMA service is pretty standard as far as I know. And to be as clear as possible: you can use any ROM, if you have an LTE SIM card installed. The SIM doesn't need to be active, as it isn't actually used if the phone is manually programmed, it is simply there to make the phone stop complaining about a missing SIM.
To reiterate though, this is all in theory. As @sd_shadow said, to use 3G CDMA outside of the US, you might want to find a phone that does it natively. The Droid 4 was intended for 4G LTE/voice over CDMA in the US, and GSM internationally. Trying to get it working on a non-Verizon CDMA carrier should be done as a curiosity, not out of expectation that it will work.
As for non-Verizon carriers in the US, there are at least a couple; Boost and Sprint come to mind. Verizon is the primary CDMA operator here, most other carriers claiming CDMA service are actually MVNOs (Mobile Virtual Network Operator) who "rent" capacity on Verizon's network and resell it to customers as prepaid packages. Verizon MVNOs will refuse to activate the Droid 4 for 3G-only service, as its IMEI immediately gives it away as a 4G LTE device. Boost and Sprint probably won't care, so long as the phone operates on the same channels, but they also won't offer any assistance in programming a phone if it can't be done OTA.
Wherever you are, you would probably have an easier time finding a GSM carrier, since all of the needed information is on the SIM card. There are a lot more "ifs" and "maybes" when it comes to CDMA when it can't be automatically programmed, unfortunately. That said, if you have a particular carrier in mind, it may be worth looking around the internet to see if anyone else has tried to program this phone or the RAZR (which apparently has a similar radio); it might turn out they've already gathered all the necessary information, and it's a matter of entering it all into your phone. Finding information for Sprint and Boost should be easy; carriers outside the US might be a bit more difficult.
Lastly, it's worth pointing out that the Photon Q is a physically similar CDMA phone with technically superior specs, already on the Sprint network. It lacks a SIM slot, though, without some delicate modifications to the mainboard and case, so it can't be as readily moved to GSM service. It's also not as well-supported here (at least, the last I checked) as the Droid 4, so its ROMs might still have some outstanding bugs.
Also like sd_shadow, you can't use CDMA and GSM service at the same time. Stock and most AOSP-based ROMS are configured for Verizon 4G/CDMA service by default, and have to be patched to change over to GSM; this necessarily disables some CDMA functionality. To undo the patch, you have to reflash the ROM (or replace the files that the patch changes, if you backed them up).
How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
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How can I turn on the keyboard backlight of my droid 4....now I am operating on jellybean...help me with this!!
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Which system version?
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98.72.18.XT894.Verizon.en.us
This is my system version