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Nexus 4 vs Galaxy Nexus: fight (video)

http://www.tuttoandroid.net/samsung...y-nexus-videoconfronto-da-tuttoandroid-77996/
good watching

I think I need a mustache...

cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.

superkevx said:
cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Coming from a One X i must say that ever since I had the One x i simply despise amoled screens. The Black might be good but i'll take better whites over blacks any day. Apart from that the screen also felt so much brighter than the amoled screen.
The first thing I did when i heard of the nexus 4 and its price was to look whether the screen is Amoled or not. If it were an amoled screen i would have most probably thought twice before buying this device. Amoled IMO is just not there yet. I recall comparing the galaxy nexus's screen with my one x... That dim bluish white on websites was simply horrible.

superkevx said:
cool video.
at this part:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFIDJBQrnc&feature=player_embedded#t=677s
you can clearly see the difference in how deep the blacks are on the amoled.
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Watch the first few seconds of this video (Nexus 4 boot up) and you will see that although blacks on the current top of the line LCD displays may not be the same as blacks on AMOLED screens, they're still VERY good.

Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )

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How about you ****ing note that in the title, or at least somewhere in the post?

Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!

arzbhatia said:
Like I've said before, what's the point of having on screen buttons when the background of the buttons are pure black? And until unless the phone doesn't produce deep blacks, what's the point? The Galaxy Nexus feel more like a Nexus MAINLY because of the AMOLED display.
Don't know why people keep complaining about the PenTile, it's not bad. It really isn't. The Galaxy Nexus, I agree, had some yellow-ing issues but most of the devices DID NOT. I had those issues - My screen broke - I got a new screen and it's FANTASTIC.
Just yesterday, I compared my Galaxy Nexus's screen with the HTC One X, the iPhone 5 and the HTC Sensation (All 3 having LCD displays) and trust me, none of the phones stand a chance in front of the color production of the Galaxy Nexus.
The main reason I didn't buy the Nexus 4 and I never will is the AMOLED. Nexus devices have had AMOLED since their first release. From the HTC One X to the Galaxy Nexus, the devices have been AMOLED and they looked amazing!
Sure the Nexus 4 has a great crisp screen but it surely doesn't beat the Galaxy Nexus in terms of color production and the black levels.
But well, every one has their own opinions. Don't jump on me!
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No thanks, Jeff. Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...

Craven68 said:
I have a question...okay the black is better on the galaxy nexus....but when you use your phone, the screen is always black ? because, the white is better on the nexus 4 and the contrast is a lot better. So i don't understand all of this thing about the black on the galaxy nexus....( i used a lot the galaxy s 2 )
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Contrast:
Amoled>>>LCD
Contrast is the brighness of the whites divided by the brighness of the blacks, since the blacks on Amoleds have almost zero brightness their contrast is extremely high.
How contast is not everything, my main use of the phone is browsing and messaging so I will take accurate whites over perfect blacks anytime.
I also got sick of the oversaturated colors an even worse the unavoidable screen burn that is even worse on phones with onscreen buttons.

so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...

gnan10 said:
so i think the nexus 4 is definitely a degrade from Gnexus.... every one saying that ips lcd has a far better brightness than amoleds but its clearly showing in video that TRUE IPS PLUS LCD is totally crap when comparing to HDAmoled ..color reproduction,contrast levels, blacks as well aswhites(look in when comparing chrome browsers) , saturation everything excellent on AMoled.... i thought nexus 4 has a super duper display....but its a big dealbreaker for me...i sold my s3 for a nexus4 ...
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READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING:
Pentile is an absolute disaster. Forget color reproduction. It has nearly 30% less sub pixels than the Nexus 4. I still remember telling people that the screen is 720P. My iPhone carrying friends literally laughed, because the difference in sharpness between the two screens was a complete and utter joke. Blacks are only noticeably different in a dark environment (try to see the difference in daylight; you can't), and considering most of us use our phones mostly in well lit areas, I'd take LCD > OLED. Lastly, do I even need to mention how pathetic whites were on Samsung crap? What about the severe burn in? Yeah. No thanks. AMOLED, never again...

alangrig said:
Well, watched video. Amoled rules. Colors reproduction is way better. LCD way to go for improvement.
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Actually you tend to find colour reproduction on AMOLED is worse. Sure it's more vibrant looking (often referred to as over-saturated), but that doesn't make it accurate.

Thanks been looking for one
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Nexus 4 Display (Spec for spec the best) Just needs calibrating... help?

Edit: My Display Solution is : FauxClock. It has gamma correction and color tweaking. It's a paid app but it's inexpensive and def with it.
You can follow Faux123 work on the Nexus for kernel development as well as it rocks but not necessary for the color/gamma tweaks.
His thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2008222
Hey Nexus 4 Community,
I've read endless articles about how the Nexus 4 display is inferior to the iPhone and is bland and gamma raised way too high. I'm a photo-enthusiast, tech fanatic, and work in the field of mobile apps. With that said, I'd have to agree that the screen is amazing but has many short falls that it quiet frankly shouldn't.
I've dealt with screens from the old Palm Pilot Days (For those of you who remember the Treo ), TFT screens, Amoled (Or Super Amoled as Samsung so articulately imaged, and now IPS. I've dealt with high PPI's, to well... BlackBerry's. In the end, and after my last Galaxy Nexus... I took the screen out of the box and I was blown away with the sharpness and detail. Once that wow factor subsided I then got hit with the "Ummm..." factor of the washed out effect. I was one of the few that got mine from T-Mobile. I've experienced Google in the past shifting colors on releases and it's very frustrating to say the least.
I did some reading-up on tests and internet reviews and apparently our phone (the Nexus 4) actually has a better contrast rating and blacker blacks then even the iPhone 5. But, that doesn't make sense because I have an iPhone 5 (well, my girlfriend does actually) and I "went in" on details and video's to see which screen looked better. The colors in comparison on the Nexus 4, were off. The colors seemed so much more rich on the iPhone 5 as well. Now, trust me, I'm no iSheep. However I do appreciate quality. My Digital lenses (particularly my 85mm 1.4) in my Nikon collection afford me the ability to truly appreciate the low light shooting and quality of what true imagery can render in a photo.
It frustrates me to no end that Google hasn't gotten it right yet on this one. And I do emphasize yet, however I truly believe it's going to take one of you geniuses to actually get this screen calibration corrected. I *do* believe our screen is better then the likes of the Galaxy S3 (though opinions come into play here as some people like the Amoled saturation better) and even the iPhone line-up. I've personally tested the sharpness to be greater than both. With the right game adjustments and color calibration I know this can be done.
I'm not complaining...(well maybe a lil) I love my phone. Best Nexus device to date, IMO, as I've had them all less the Nexus One. I just want to use it at its true potential. I remember tweaking my Nexus S with Voodoo drivers and that made a lot of difference. I've even used FauxClock which I can appreciate for its color tweaking ability on the kernels, including the Nexus 4 one rooted, but I still need game control. I certainly hope if google fails to correct this display issue that someone here gets it right.
Well, that's my rant... oh yeah and one more thing. Those that question those of us who do complain about the washed out look. It's a bit insulting to hear that we are used to certain devices (such as Amoled) as there are so many devices to compare our screens to and unfortunately most give ours that washed out feel. It's unfortunate to have what I believe to be one of the best screens on the market and be hindered like this. Everyone has the right to their opinion and if you like the screen as is... you're not alone as many do, including me. But it can be better. That I know.
In hopes of the Nexus 4 to its utmost potential,
Rome
(PS. All of our phones are slightly different in regards to the screens, so what might be slightly greener on mine might be a touch more red on yours. Just remember that everyone's experience differs.)

Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol

tocirahl said:
Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Hi and thanks for the recommendation. I have tried that and it distorts the colors even worse for me over 255 making all of my white yellow.
My colors currently aren't horrible or anything but could use improvement but more over I'm even more interested in the gamma to be lowered so blacks on the app page and over all color isn't as washed out.
Thanks for taking time to try and help though. Its appreciated.
Rome
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Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Catchpen said:
Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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That would be awesome. I'll be looking out for that. Thanks for the info.
Rome
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Catchpen said:
Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.

manlisten said:
The screen is a bit washed out. Colors just seem to be a tad light. Also, it seems that blues are a bit undersaturated.
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My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole "we are used to amoled" crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Chad_Petree said:
Can wait for it, the screen is too warm, the white looks yellow
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here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG

romeoliny said:
My issues seem to fall right in line with yours. Undersaturated aka high gamma. Also washed out colors.
Despite my initial post stating the screen is beautiful and device just needs some tweaking such as gamma controls and color adjustment I'm sure people will start with the whole we are used to smiled crap Lol so be prepared to hear it.
That a side I'm happy but could be fully content with those adjustments in a new release or tools to fix these issues as Google hasn't normally in the past corrected color calibration issues in a timely manor in the past, if ever at all.
Lastly it seems there are a good bunch who are dealing with the yellowish screen issue (I'm not personally) and not sure if that goes away in time as I've heard that could be do to the glue on the screen. Again not sure as I'm not experiencing it.
Rome
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Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).

Red Wolf said:
here is a picture, left side old one which i sent back cause it had a cracked in the back glass and right side the one i have and it seems like the yellow tint killin it.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64014163/DSCN0649.JPG
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Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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manlisten said:
Yeah, I actually think this screen is worlds better than Super AMOLED even with the slightly faded color pallette. My point of comparison is the SLCD on the HTC Sensation. While not an IPS screen, the colors are definitely deeper and more vivid than the Nexus 4, especially the blues (see image).
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I see what you mean. From the picture it also appears you're dealing with the yellow tinting as well. But the blues are of for sure. My blue seems a bit on the purple side. I played a video by Katy Perry (the one with the blue hair on vevo in hd to see the resolution/quality) on my nexus 4 vs the iPhone 5 and to my surprise I was paying more attention to the colors being so misrepresented I forgot I was comparing sharpness.
Then I checked other videos and i noticed more and more. I guess all of our phones are of in different ways. Sort of complicated the matter further I'd imagine.
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romeoliny said:
Wow that's definitely some serious yellow tinting going on there v thanks for sharing the pictures and I hope the fix comes soon for that
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yup don't know what to do is this yellow tinted problem hardware or software related?

I'm not picky about colors or displays as long as i can see in bright sunlight. Usually in a dark room at night i notice very faint backlight bleed from the top when screen is dark black @ 30-50% brightness, like in some older LED notebooks.

Hi, can you also compare the whites and sharpness on iPhone 5 and nexus 4 respective screens. I really love reading text on beautiful white screen of iPhone 4S.

Catchpen said:
Supposedly the developer of that app is working on a gamma setting feature for a future version.
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Francisco's work for the GNex was brilliant, including a good bit of calibration tools. He'll get there (he hasn't even received his N4 yet!).
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Supercurio is the man we want working on our screens. He's done absolute magic in the past
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I'm cross-posting my reply to this thread here because it touches on the differences in displays and what I've observed.
2defmouze said:
I've heard from a lot of more educated folks and some devs how the common "washed out screen" complaint your seeing is not really accurate at all. Many of us (especially coming from Samsung phones) are used to those SAMOLED displays which oversaturate the colors. The colors you will see on a high quality IPS display like the Nexus 4 are actually a true representation of what they are supposed to look like. At first it is going to appear weird and "washed out" to you, but after adjusting a bit you should be able to appreciate that you are seeing the colors the way they were designed, by Google, to be viewed. Just some info I wanted to pass along
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I'm sorry, but I'm really going to have to beg to differ on this. When I got my Nexus 4 and showed it the my girlfriend next to my Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch Long Name phone, she instantly said, "The old one looks a lot better." I told her that the SAMOLED screen was merely hyped up because of all the usual reasons, but the difference DID bother me. I told myself, "No, this is more natural. It's not washed out. You're just used to the old screen," but I can't do it any longer. My screen IS washed out; it IS inaccurate. I'm not sure what to do about it.
I'm a semi-pro photographer (meaning I've made money from my work, but it's not my day job; see my stuff here) and thus really picky about image quality and fidelity. I also used to be a DVD reviewer for a couple of major sites and had to calibrate my home theater setups to properly grade A/V quality. I just recalibrated my main computer's display - a Dell UltraSharp U2410 IPS-panel connected via DisplayPort using a GretagMacbeth Eye-One Match 3 calibrator - and compared my current wallpaper (NSFW, so not linked; skin tones are a good source to judge because of the subtleties of complexions) from mine and other Flickr users work and the differences are there and problematic. I even dug out my OG EVO 4G to compare because it was its too-cool/bluish display that paled (no pun) in comparison to the GS2 was what made me thunk down $500 to buy the latter unsubsidized. I had to use the Movie setting in Display properties to get the least-hyped picture because Standard and Vivid were just acid-trip crazy.
Compared to the GS2, the N4's colors are flatter, paler and washed out, especially in highlights on skin which are getting close to being blown out to white. It looks cooler until you throw the EVO into the mix and see what really cool, bluish color cast looks like. When looking at all three, the GS2 looks the closest to the PC monitor; the N4 is clearly less saturated and skewed toward yellow (note: I do NOT see the yellow color cast on pure white that others have reported; it just looks like more red is needed); the EVO looks really cool (blue).
Checking another photo (again NSFW; tanned partial nude woman in vivid magenta leather jacket) shows similar issues. The N4 is flatter in contrast and the highlights are blown out; the wall in back doesn't look creamy, but almost white; the jacket looks pink, not magenta; the burgundy wash on her hair is almost unnoticeable. I couldn't check with the EVO because it's having a cow about updating (gee, it's been offline for 14 months, could that be the problem?) but since it's obsolete, who cares? The GS2 looks really close to the monitor and the N4 doesn't.
Using the LCD test patterns here - LCD monitor test images - the most damning one isn't the Black Level one (browser color profiles seem to mess with it) or the Gamma test (all the phones look waaaay out of whack) but the White Saturation pattern which demonstrates how brighter values are rendering. On my computer, I can see the difference between 254 and the 255 background. The highest the N4 shows is 247, meaning everything from 248 on up looks the same as pure white, 248-254 = 255 = not good. The GS2 goes four steps up to 251 and the difference between getting 96.9% of the way and 98.4% makes a difference. As someone who usually shoots black-clad musicians in dimly-lit clubs with black walls, the difference of a few steps is the difference between seeing a guy in a black shirt in a black room playing guitar or seeing a floating guitar and arm. (This is an all-time worst case example.)
The hardest thing to do in publishing is color management and printers and pre-production houses spend thousands of dollars trying to get their workflow together so that what designers see on the screen will match what's on the page when it's printed. It is said that a man with one clock knows what time it is but a man with two clocks is never sure and what may look fine in isolation may suffer in comparison to something else. (Like how your significant other may be cute, but stand them next to the latest Sexiest Man/Woman Alive and you realize you're in a relationship with a mortal.) The trick is to determine what is CORRECT. For clocks, you get one of those atomic deals and set your watch to that. For displays, you color calibrate and use test patterns.
This is what I've done and while there is a element of personal taste involved - like when you adjust the tone controls on your sound system to boom the bass or whatnot - I'm not interested in preference, but accuracy, and the screen on my Nexus 4 simply isn't accurate. Maybe it's isolated bad unit; maybe it's an issue with 25% of units; who knows? All I know is that some people say it's washed out; others say it's as good as the best-in-class HOX; some try to rationalize what they're seeing by attributing it to the differences between LCD and SAMOLED; and I just want a faithful version of what's being displayed.

Have you tried adjusting using Franco's display control app? Should be able to get pretty close to what you want.
The N4 is already a way better screen than the N7 I'm typing this on.
Edit: A few seconds tweaking got the white level to 253. Gamma as you say is way off..
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I would, but for some reason Play is saying I don't have any qualifying devices and doesn't even show my N4 in the dashboard, so I'm SOL to even try it.
EDIT: Was able to buy it from my phone, but what settings do you use. The lack of even labels on the RGB sliders and no sample image makes tweaking difficult.
EDIT #2: I refunded it because there wasn't enough info to work with in just 15 minutes. I was able to randomly slide things around and get White Saturation block 251 to appear (up from 247) and at one point it almost appeared to get the skin tones on the ballpark, but time ran out. I still think a gamma tweak would do a lot to help as well.

Does the Nexus 4 really have one of the best displays?

I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)

going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors

After it's calibrated it looks nice. I had a mytouch which had the same screen as the desire(i think) and I very much prefer this screen. The top screens are: HOX, SIII, Note II, and iPhone 5.

What is the best way to calibrate the nexus 4 screen?
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Eltocliousus said:
I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.

warfexion said:
going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.

Androyed said:
It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.

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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to.
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.

iPwn_ said:
It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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I read quite a bit about that in cell touch thing, I don't see anything floating myself buy it sounds fancy anyway. The colours do look accurate but not super vibrant as some say. It is calibrated.

I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...

Peter1856 said:
I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.

.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....

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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
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It is in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoDp2qRui0u0dGE4T2gtSDBTRHVFSldPS2RrX1Rya0E#gid=0
I simply tried a couple from the list, like the most different settings to see what direction I had to take for my display... And then when I found a good one, I tried to improve it with minor adjustments...

tweaked said:
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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Is this sarcasm?

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Is this sarcasm?
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No. He was being serious. I agree with him.
Or do I?

Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.

xchasa said:
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Which one is the best?

blackhand1001 said:
Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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!!!
Yes, quite terrible. Maybe Apple has a patent on properly calibrated displays! lol
Google has done incredibly bad in calibrating their own devices (starting from Galaxy Nexus -> Nexus 7 -> Nexus 4 and 10).
If you look at a gray scale gradient, instead of seeing: black -> dark gray -> light gray -> white, you see: black -> dark magenta -> green -> yellow. WTF???
What the heck did Google smoke???
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Kazliux said:
Which one is the best?
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iPhone 5 or HOX(+). Both are bright, with good contrast AND properly calibrated BY DEFAULT!

Androyed said:
The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It just has to be widely adapted. People said LCD had weird colors compared to CRT too. And now it is repeating hear with people used to seeing LCD all of their lives saying AMOLED looks weird. But in reality, AMOLED has a pretty wide palette and when viewing certain palettes get magnified when viewed next to a pool of dark black rather than a dark grey. Same thing applies to a really bright white, colors look more washed out than they really are when viewed next to a bright white. that is just the way the cells in our eyes work.
The LG Optimus G currently has my favorite mobile phone display though. For some reason it looks a lot better than the Nexus 4 display even though the screen is exactly the same. Might be software but it might be the wallpapers. Go check out an Optimus G with the wallpaper of the rocks or the colorful feathers, amazing.
The Nexus 10 display is also just wow too. It is gorgeous and probably the best mobile display ever. A 10 inch 300 ppi screen is as good as it sounds.

It does have a nice display if nothing is wrong with it. The quality is very happy inconsistent
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No more screen color posts!

Hi,
As unappealing as it is, our Nexus 4 has an IPS screen instead of an AMOLED screen, which in turn uses a lot more battery (black lights up to show you black, instead of turning off the pixel like on AMOLED), and doesn't give you the options needed to control your screen to display the right color.
Comparing to a stock HTC One S, which has AMOLED, red is dark red, green is too dull, gray has a lot more black, and black is dark blue. There is just no possible way to get out of this.
Even when I turned Green and Blue to 0, and set Red to 255, not to mention going to gamma and setting those to the proper options, so that the screen only shows red, it still shows dark red instead of the real red that the AMOLED screen produces.
So stop complaining, and either buy an AMOLED phone (any samsung) or try and replace the phone's screen with an AMOLED one.
If you want to test the values in the SPREADSHEET thread, be my guest, but I've literally tried every single value in there and red just doesn't feel red, and green is always dull. We just have to live with it.

can you really buy an amoled screen for your nexus ??
can you show me a link i wanna try

Blackwolf10 said:
can you really buy an amoled screen for your nexus ??
can you show me a link i wanna try
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lol no, but if you discovered a method please do tell us, i wouldn't mind doing it

*shrug* I personally feel the IPS display on the Nexus 4 does a much better job at displaying more true to life colors than any Amoled phone I've used before. But to each their own.
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Nothing like starting a new thread about something you do not want others to post about. Makes so much sense.
You are also probably the person who copies all in an email to say do not copy all. Of course after 40 other people did the same thing.

my previous phone was a GS3, the oversaturated colors of AMOLED panels might look nice in some cases, but the colors are not realistic, whites are never whites, they are grey, a lot of tinting and smearing problems, a very big chance of burn-in and ghosting problems even if you take care of your devices (happened to my galaxy nexus even though i used minimal brightness levels and 15sec screen-off, my burn in was under the notification and Navbar area). So IMO, and based on my own experience with AMOLED displays, i'd take an IPS LCD panel everytime.
Concerning our nexus 4 in particular, i've found that it depends from one device to another, my nexus 4 has absolutely an amazing display, beautiful colors, i'd say it's comparable to displays on HTC phones. Everytime i'd see a thread complaining about the display, washed out colors etc.. , i'd think it's just another troll. Then i saw my friend's phone, and damn those colors were really dull.
Another thing is , another friend and i have issues with delayed notifications over wifi, the friend with dull-colors-phone doesn't have it.
Conclusion: not all problems are present on all devices, it's very unfair to generalize. Maybe your display is on the "bad side" , or maybe your are used to AMOLED displays and actually like them more. It's a matter of personal taste.

An untuned ips screen just makes the device feel low end and cheap. Much like a cheap acer tablet, an untuned screen of a nexus 10 looks like crap. With an amoled screen it feels vivid and pleasing to the eye, sunsets in movies feel warmer and scenes look much more dramatic. Its not about how close something looks like in real life, its about immersing yourself in a more vivid experience. Amoled and ips screen with color enhancement all day.

Thread title: stop complaining!
OP: complaining
Lesson: WAT?
Anyway I'm tired of glorifying cartoonish pentile amoled displays. Sureal colors, yellow-grayish whites, almost no visibility under sunlight... I do a little photo editing, and comparing amoled and ips it's almost impossible. LCD provides better viewing angles, brightness (whites on the n4 are superb), and true colors (on amoled photos look like they've been applied thousand filters, over saturated).
N4, Cataclysm+Franco

first of all, i only made this thread to stop this chaos and to stop those annoying people who complain about it.
Also, I'm not complaining about anything, i love my screen, i think it's a definite improvement from the desire z that i used to own. But again this thread is meant to stop other users from making threads like this, and just live with it.
so the lesson isn't "WAT", and OP isn't "complaining"... the lesson is the title.
thank you.
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Riro Zizo said:
first of all, i only made this thread to stop this chaos and to stop those annoying people who complain about it.
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You made a thread to stop people complaining, by making a thread for people to complain in .
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lol!
people are people, they will complain no matter what. just like you are doing, and you even started/wasted a thread with your complaint

Idk why people buy the n4 if they dont like IPS i bought the n4 and i WANTED a IPS display i dont want amocrap... 5 minutes on a s3 and my eyes are bleeding...
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I think some of the people is comparing our so called IPS screen to other IPS screens, not AMOLED.
The screen in Nexus 4 is less colorful than the other LG IPS screen phone, which are all produced from LG.
IMO our screen is indeed "worse" than the one LG uses in their flagship phones.

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lol!
people are people, they will complain no matter what. just like you are doing, and you even started/wasted a thread with your complaint
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again, this isn't a complaint. and if people wanna complain, then do it in this single thread, it's certainly better than every user creating a thread for it.
ruzkay said:
Idk why people buy the n4 if they dont like IPS i bought the n4 and i WANTED a IPS display i dont want amocrap... 5 minutes on a s3 and my eyes are bleeding...
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i bought a nexus 4 because of the dev support, the fast updates, and the stock android. but i got stuck with an IPS screen... who cares anyway, i love it
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Riro Zizo said:
i bought a nexus 4 because of the dev support, the fast updates, and the stock android. but i got stuck with an IPS screen... who cares anyway, i love it
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A galaxy nexus would've provided you with all that, and you would've got an amoled display that you seem to like more.
If the nexus 4 had an amoled display, i'm pretty sure i would've skipped it.
It's a matter of taste after all
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Nexus 4 has a really nice display IMO..

Riro Zizo said:
again, this isn't a complaint. and if people wanna complain, then do it in this single thread, it's certainly better than every user creating a thread for it.
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i just read your post again.. sounds to me like youre complaining about people posting about screen color.
now, not everyone wants to adjust their sceeen color to look like an samoled. some people just want to adjust the tone/gamma, to be more pleasing to their eyes. some do want to make it look like an amoled(which we know isnt possible). even though its impossible to make our screens to look like samoleds, it is possible to adjust them so colors will appear more vivid, have more "pop". of course its not going to be the same as an samoled, but it will appear closer. why does it bother you so much that these people want to do that? as you know, what you might feel as appealing might not be appealing to others, or vice versa. and yes, all our n4 screens variate as well. some of the variations ive seen id change the screen colors/gamma to anything besides what it came with default. personally, im happy with mine screen color

Emama said:
I think some of the people is comparing our so called IPS screen to other IPS screens, not AMOLED.
The screen in Nexus 4 is less colorful than the other LG IPS screen phone, which are all produced from LG.
IMO our screen is indeed "worse" than the one LG uses in their flagship phones.
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So root it, flash custom kernel and load color profile you like. I agree stock colors are washed out but now it's on pair with iphone5
CM 10.2 + franco

rayiskon said:
A galaxy nexus would've provided you with all that, and you would've got an amoled display that you seem to like more.
If the nexus 4 had an amoled display, i'm pretty sure i would've skipped it.
It's a matter of taste after all
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galaxy nexus' white color is pure yellow, i've compared it directly to my stock screen colors.
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i just read your post again.. sounds to me like youre complaining about people posting about screen color.
now, not everyone wants to adjust their sceeen color to look like an samoled. some people just want to adjust the tone/gamma, to be more pleasing to their eyes. some do want to make it look like an amoled(which we know isnt possible). even though its impossible to make our screens to look like samoleds, it is possible to adjust them so colors will appear more vivid, have more "pop". of course its not going to be the same as an samoled, but it will appear closer. why does it bother you so much that these people want to do that? as you know, what you might feel as appealing might not be appealing to others, or vice versa. and yes, all our n4 screens variate as well. some of the variations ive seen id change the screen colors/gamma to anything besides what it came with default. personally, im happy with mine screen color
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ok... I'll shut up
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rayiskon said:
A galaxy nexus would've provided you with all that, and you would've got an amoled display that you seem to like more.
If the nexus 4 had an amoled display, i'm pretty sure i would've skipped it.
It's a matter of taste after all
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In my opinion, the GNEX screen was one of the worst screens I have seen...

The "Supposed" washed out screen on the N5

For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O

GalaxySN00B:0 said:
For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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To say that the N5's screen is great because it's better than the Z1's isn't saying a whole lot. That's like calling yourself fast bc you're only the 3 slowest kid in gym class. I've had both phones and still currently have my N5. I do find the N5 screen to be dull compared to most phones I've used and compared. That being said, as you raise the brightness the screen does look much nicer. It seems the brightness levels have more to do with it than the actual quality of the screen. The Z1 is a great phone but one plagued by terrible viewing angles. The screen which is still quite nice, isn't the best part of the phone so I wouldn't use it as a base of comparison to build up the N5's screen. I don't put a lot of weight into those "complaint threads" because the phone costs $349-$400, for what you pay you get a pretty good phone.
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A lot of people confuse over saturation as a nice screen and natural as dull. Since you can't really test the difference on a phone, if your TV has a standard or vivid mode then throw it on that. Then throw the TV into movie mode. It would look dull at first but that is the closest picture to a calibrated level you will get out of the box. Once your eyes adjust to that picture, then try going back to standard mode. You will never be able to watch an over saturated fake picture again.
Look at the picture in a movie theater, you can call that dull as well but these is what natural and real life look like.
Now, if they boosted up the contrast, that would improve the screen.

looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?

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looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Anandtech review of this phone. Their reviews are almost absurdly detailed and they have lots of great, objective data.

Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.

The colours are fine it's the white balance that's off it's too warm.

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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
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You can have a "natural" colors and still have a "dull" or washed out screen. This isn't simply a case of AMOLED over saturation vs N5 and it's "natural" colors. My HTC Butterfly to me has the best screen I've seen. Mind you I own a 5S, Note 3, Butterfly S and N5 all currently. Its color reproduction, saturation, viewing angles and clarity to me best the others. The N5's colors are closer to "natural " then AMOLEDS however that being said is still on the dull side. The note has a clear, bright screen and tends to have improved the cartoonish saturation effect especially when in Movie Mode. Overall I think the N5's screen is OK but not my favorite.
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Her reviews make many of the big boys look like novice fanboys. She does in depth testing with LOTS of real world use reports. She takes the time to actually use these things and not be the first out the door with a review. Most importantly, she will put the screen under a scope so we can see what is going on. The nexus 5 screen to me looks amazing, very reminiscent of the calibration apple uses. Compared o the broken calibration that was the nexus 4, I think it is great.
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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fjavierm said:
Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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This wouldn't entirely surprise me. I've been scratching my heads about the threads about the yellow whites. I believe some people are experiencing it, especially since people have provided pictures. The white on my phone is a neutral or slightly cool white.

No yellow colors here. my xperia t has a more yellowish screen + is washed out a lot more

As far as I have used this device for a week, it seems color temperature is a bit too high. I hope there will be some kernels that has color temperature options.

Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
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There was already a calibration test done. There is a link somewhere in one of these threads. It tested that the N5 had the closest colors to reference out of all the phones they tested. Maybe someone will find the link and post it here. They also tested brightness and contrast.
It was the contest that is scored towards the bottom of all the phones they tested.

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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
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Exactly. You can't go comparing Amoled against ISP. There two totally different technologies. When I compare the N5 to other ISP phones mine looks pretty damn good. Like any LCD though I will calibrate it to my taste once the kernels allow for that. This whole thread is literally "in the eye of the beholder."

I've seen 2 different Nexus 5 units here in Canada (at Virgin Mobile kiosks) and in both cases the colors were accurate and very good, though the
whites are a slight bit on the yellowish/warm side. Compared to an iPhone 5S, the whites on the 5S are brighter and cooler.
Well, the good news is that franco kernel is well under development (according to the original nexus development thread) and once it's complete, we should be able to use his app (Display Control) to calibrate the screen if we want to.

Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html

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Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
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Lol I read the article and wondered why it was written in English but read like the auther was drunk until I saw the web address and saw translate. Good read though, points are easily understood and sum up the comments of most.
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i think comparing the Z1 to N5 isnt fair anyway.
So what if the screen on the N5 is technically better? I've used both and...i didnt think the Z1 screen was that bad really. And viewing angles?
How many people use a personal device tilted to the sides? Most people are going to be looking straight at the thing when they're using it, 100% for me, it's a personal device and i'd be rather happy if others couldnt see whats on the screen.
And also "the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O"
really.
Feel sorry for the people who bought a very solid and well build phone?
Feel sorry for the people who dont have rattling buttons?
Feel sorry for the people who can happily drop it down a toilet and still have a functioning phone?
Feel sorry for the people who have a camera that's superbly better than the nexus 5?
Well done there mate.