Update 8/9/12:
janedoesmith did a bunch of testing with different charger and cable combinations. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29983624#post29983624
Sounds like the most common problem is just cables with micro USB connectors that are too short.
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There are a handful of threads that are a mish mash of good and bad/non-information. The N7 charger situation is a mess and finding a charger that works well is
almost impossible. It seems the cable you use is important, too.
"Confirmed working" chargers are chargers that work at > 500mA
Confirmed working 3rd party charger/cable combos (Updated 7/30/12):
- OEM Asus charger / $25 / ~1.8A / 3' cable
- HP Touchpad charger / ~$15 / ~1.6A / 6' cable
- Blackberry 1.8A Playbook charger / 1.8A rated / $15 / 6' cable
- Asus Transformer charger model AD827M / $? / 2A / length?
- Nokia AC-10U / 1.2A / $? / 6ft integrated cable
- Blackberry 700mA charger / 700mA rated / $5 / 6' cable
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airphoto has noticed the actual micro usb connector is a little longer on the OEM cable than a typical cable. This is the only confirmed physical difference we know about at the moment.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29361415&postcount=19
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Here is my experience:
- Chargers seem to work in 3 different ways: 1) they'll charge at full capacity, 2) they'll charge but slower than they are rated, or 3) they won't charge at all (and the N7 will NOT show a charging icon) (Update: Chargers that don't show a charging icon will actually trickle charge, roughly 5% an hour)
- Shorting the data pins on a charger that doesn't charge at all (#3 above) results in NO CHANGE
- The USB cable you use is important, in what way I'm not sure. Using a cheapo cable I have with the OEM 2A charger results in my N7 charging slow, probably 350ma.
And here are the chargers I've tried with results:
- OEM charger with OEM cable: Charges from 0-100% in about 3 hours
- OEM charger with cheap cable: Charges from 0-100% in 18 hours or worse if the screen is off, drains FASTER than it charges with screen on
- Blackberry 700ma charger (integrated cable): Charges from 0-100% in about 8 hours, which is in line with what you would expect with it's output
- Cellet 1000ma charger with any cable: will not charge at all
- Cellet 1000ma charger with data pins shorted: will not charge at all
- Motorola dual charger (Razr Maxx): Same slow charge as above, about 18 hours to charge fully
In addition, I've used a handful of different brands and types of generic cables. Something is different about the OEM charger but no one (AFAIK) has been able to identify it yet. There is clearly more at play here than the rated charge rate, so if that is your only comment, please keep it out of this thread.
qoncept said:
There are a handful of threads that are a mish mash of good and bad/non-information. The N7 charger situation is a mess and finding a charger that works well is almost impossible. It seems the cable you use is important, too.
Here is my experience:
- Chargers seem to work in 3 different ways: 1) they'll charge at full capacity, 2) they'll charge but slower than they are rated, or 3) they won't charge at all (and the N7 will NOT show a charging icon)
- Shorting the data pins on a charger that doesn't charge at all (#3 above) results in NO CHANGE
- The USB cable you use is important, in what way I'm not sure. Using a cheapo cable I have with the OEM 2A charger results in my N7 charging slow, probably 350ma.
And here are the chargers I've tried with results:
- OEM charger with OEM cable: Charges from 0-100% in about 3 hours
- OEM charger with cheap cable: Charges from 0-100% in 18 hours or worse if the screen is off, drains FASTER than it charges with screen on
- Blackberry 700ma charger (integrated cable): Charges from 0-100% in about 8 hours, which is in line with what you would expect with it's output
- Cellet 1000ma charger with any cable: will not charge at all
- Cellet 1000ma charger with data pins shorted: will not charge at all
- Motorola dual charger (Razr Maxx): Same slow charge as above, about 18 hours to charge fully
In addition, I've used a handful of different brands and types of generic cables. Something is different about the OEM charger but no one (AFAIK) has been able to identify it yet. There is clearly more at play here than the rated charge rate, so if that is your only comment, please keep it out of this thread.
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The HP Touchpad charger and cable work fine.
Jim
the blackberry 1.8a (folding blades) rapid charger works great. And I understand it's friendly with quite a range of devices. surprisingly the little Nokia 1.2a fast charer works very well. maybe a tiny bit less fast than OEM but acceptable. and can be had for around $5 bucks.
I just ordered one of the cheap USB-to-USB Galaxy Tab 10.1 adapters to test with the Nexus 7 on 2A-rated chargers which don't seem to charge at 'fast' speed.
Cheers,
Kermee
Kermee said:
I just ordered one of the cheap USB-to-USB Galaxy Tab 10.1 adapters to test with the Nexus 7 on 2A-rated chargers which don't seem to charge at 'fast' speed.
Cheers,
Kermee
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It works fine. It's based on a standard for high amperage charging.
I made my own using a thread in the Galaxy Tab forum.
Asus Transformer charger for my TF101 uses Model AD827M charger that puts out [email protected] or [email protected] and works great. Fast and small.....
StevieJake
OEM Charger and Cable - About 1-2 hours. Its was only 3 on my first charge
I personally is having problem with OEM charger and cable not charging my N7 at all (shows 'No charge'). May be a faulty battery or something but I'll deal with google later.
Anyways, as related to your "clearly more at play", have you ever heard of the Apple charger mystery? At first people were wondering why some chargers work and some don't. Apparently, Apple chargers actually send voltage down the data line, which you would think no device would draw power on. What happens is that when the data line is at certain voltage, the i devices will read that as connect to power adapter, connect to computer, etc. Therefore, aftermarket chargers that only supply power on the usb power lines are not recognized as valid chargers.
So, with that in mind, maybe N7 is looking for the same thing in the data line coming from the charger. Maybe. And if you use a usb cable that's purely for charging, i.e. no data line at all, then it won't recognize it. Just a guess.
can't post url, but google "ladyada minty boost charge" and you'll see a result on "the mystery of apple device charging"
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The HP Touchpad charger and cable work fine.
Jim
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This. I bought a spare one form hhgreg for $10 and it works great.
I have been using the kindle fire charger because it has a long cable. 2ah and charges just as gas as the OEM 2ah charger
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The HP Touchpad charger and cable work fine.
Jim
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How long did it take to charge the N7 with this?
I'm having issues with my OEM charger/cable.
I used the tablet until it shut itself off. Plugged it in overnight. 9 hours later and the thing had charged 10 percent! (Tablet was off and showing charging icon, but it only moved up one tic in 9 hours)
I decided to try my Galaxy Nexus charger. About 5 hours later, I had a fully charged Nexus 7.
I'm hoping it's an issue with the OEM charger/cable, because otherwise my Nexus 7 is flawless and I don't want to do a full exchange. Hoping Google will let me swap chargers out
When I'm at my desk I use the usb cable from my Logitech k800 wireless keyboard...charges on the slow side but it does charge...also havent had any issues using it to transfer data.
Is there an app that will show the rate at which the battery is charging?
I'd like to try a few charger/cable combination I have lying around.
I haven't tried it but check this out: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...2ZXJ0aWZvcm0uYW5kcm9pZC5hcHAuYmF0dGVyeXNweSJd
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I haven't tried it but check this out: https://play.google.com/store/apps/...2ZXJ0aWZvcm0uYW5kcm9pZC5hcHAuYmF0dGVyeXNweSJd
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I'm also having issues with the stock charger not charging the battery.
I'm exchanging the device tomorrow.
Just called Google up, and after a bit of back and forth, apparently I cannot get an exchange on JUST the charger. I have to RMA the entire thing, which I was hoping to avoid because the tablet itself is perfect. Oh well. My replacement order is in. I just hope there are no issues with the replacement tablet.
FYI the AT&T retail car charger (slimline, dual 2A for "phones and tablets") charges my sgs3, original gtab, etc fast but doesn't charge the n7 at all.
I haven't tested with the factory N7 cable yet, I'll do that this afternoon but I don't expect it to make a difference.
The charger issue to me seems to be the cables, the micro usb for the N7 is longer than a normal micro usb.
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airphoto said:
The charger issue to me seems to be the cables, the micro usb for the N7 is longer than a normal micro usb.
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Oy. Now I've seen it all. What a douchebag move.
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Edit: I've edited in a summary of working/non-working chargers on the bottom of this post:
I've read a lot of threads about various chargers not working with the Nexus 7 but not a particularly comprehensive list of those that do, so I figured I'd ask this question:
I'm looking to buy a portable charger/battery pack in the near future. I'm also soon to own a Nexus 7 (I'm in the second wave of Play Store pre-orders, so should be some time this week, so I'd like to find a charger that's compatible with it. I've done a fair amount of Googling (and a decent amount of browsing Newegg...), but the Nexus 7 is too new to be explicitly listed as compatible with most chargers.
Ideally:
- Capable of charging 2+ devices simultaneously. (Though the additional power draw of tablets means many devices can't charge two devices if one of them is a tablet -- that's an acceptable limitation for me).
- Capable of charging at the same time as being charged. (I'd like to use it as a regular wall charger when not traveling.)
- Bonus points if the charger can itself be charged via USB, which then makes it work with existing infrastructure (can charge it off of a laptop, existing car charger, etc.)
Has anybody had luck finding something that works? Considering some of the reports were of iPad chargers not being able to charge the Nexus 7, I'd rather not just assume something works and play the "buy and return until I find something that works" game.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: Summary of working/non-working charges through post #23:
"charger cable" means the cable that came with the charger in question. "Stock cable" means the the cable that came with the Nexus 7. "low power" means not on a high-power charging port (i.e. one meant for charging tablets), likely only when the screen is off.
WORKING (YMMV):
Note: Model names/etc below are only as specific as the original post. Links are to the poster who claimed the charger was working or not working. You're encouraged to visit any linked sites/view any posted pictures to ensure the charger being referenced by a poster is the same one you're looking at.
Anker 8000mAh (with charger cable, 2A)
iGo Green 6630079-1400RAV (tested with Samsung Vibrant charger cable, may work with others)
New Trent 5000mAh (conflicting reports, see below)
NewTrent iCarrier 12000mAh (44.4Wh) IMP120D (use included "Galaxy Tab" cable/adapter on 2A port)
New Trent IMP100P (charger cable only)
New Trent IMP1000 (charger cable only)
NewTrent IMP99D (charger cable only)
Poporta Usb Turbo Charger 5000 (charger cable only)
RAVPower Dynamo-On-the-Go RP-BP03 5200mAh Power Bank (charger cable only, only with screen off)
TomTom Universal High-Speed Multi-Charger (low power only)
Yoobao 11200mAh (with charger cable)
NOT WORKING:
There's been a lot of evidence that suggests that charger compatibility may be more a case of what cable you use moreso than which charger you use, and that any true 2A charger will work with the correct cable. That said, these have been explicitly listed as not working by some posters. Again, YMMV.
New Trent 5000mAh (conflicting reports, see above)
New Trent 9900
XPAL 8000
Note to moderators: Please feel free to update this post if you'd like to do so, I won't be offended.
I have the New Trent 9900 and XPAL 8000 and both do not work. The 9900 actually has a port for 2A output and that also doesn't seem to charge the Nexus.
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I have a new trent 10000mAh one, but haven't tried charging with it yet. I'll try it out with both oem and new trent's cord to see if it works. The new trent also has two ports to charge from and is supposed to work with ipads and such. But I'll report back tomorrow.
I'm looking for one that doesn't have to be plugged in to charge the Nexus... so I could charge it while using it in bed or something. Have a couple USB chargers that I use with my PS Vita and iPhone 4S that I'm going to assume won't charge the Nexus 7. I hate the idea of being tied to a wall plug.
kpjimmy said:
I have a new trent 10000mAh one, but haven't tried charging with it yet. I'll try it out with both oem and new trent's cord to see if it works. The new trent also has two ports to charge from and is supposed to work with ipads and such. But I'll report back tomorrow.
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Confirmed working with my New Trent charger model IMP100P :good:. I used the supplied plug that came with the power bank. I probably can't transfer or run adb commands with the cord but at least I have something else that can charge the N7
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP100P-Thunderbolt-Blackberry/dp/B007IMPTNQ
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Does it work with the supplied Nexus cord?
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The NewTrent 5000mAh doesn't work with the chargers cord or the nexus cord
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Does it work with the supplied Nexus cord?
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Just tried it and that is a resounding NO lol. Don't know why :silly:
Only the supplied cord with the New Trent IMP100P works. Now that's dumb.
Just tried my IMP1000 with the retractable cord w/ interchangeable tips I had in the bag with it (not sure if the battery pack came with that cord) and it worked, went from "Discharging" to "Charging (AC)" and the charging symbol came on instead of going to "Not Charging" like it did with the OEM cable. Who would thing a cheap retractable cable would be the difference.
New Trent 5000Mah confirmed working.
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New Trent 5000Mah confirmed working.
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Is it this one?
E_man5112 said:
The NewTrent 5000mAh doesn't work with the chargers cord or the nexus cord
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If so, how? Mine doesn't work.
NewTrent iCarrier 12000mAh (44.4Wh) IMP120D works if you use the included 'Galaxy Tab' cable/adapter and on the 2A Port (Port 2).
I tried a 'generic' microUSB data cable and the included cable with the Nexus 7. Plugged directly in, the status goes from 'Discharging' to 'Not Charging'. Once I used the 'Galaxy Tab' cable/adapter with either the generic cable or the Nexus 7 USB cable, it went straight to 'Charging (AC)'.
Cheers,
Kermee
Not sure this the right place for this but ...
TomTom Universal High-Speed Multi-Charger
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004SH3ERC/
Regular USB port works but unfortunately the 2.1 Amp High Power port doesn't.
Tried it with Generic and Asus cable. Would have thought that was closest to standard charger.
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I have NewTrent IMP99D and it has the following:
- 2 USB ports: one if 2 AMP
- Comes with a retractable USB cable
Here's the intersting thins: if I plug the Nexus 7 own cable to the IMP99D, it does NOT charge the N7. BUT... if I use the USB cable that came from IMP99D, it DOES charge the N7. Similar situation on my old Galaxy Tab 7 Plus.
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Really is weird... None of these chargers worked with any cord I tried with them. Nexus 7, the cords that came with the chargers, my phone cord, none of them except one...
The cord that came with the New Trent on the far left that I got when I bought the original Sprint Evo 4g wimax. Now with that cord they all work. And that's an old New Trent not the one with the dual usb ports.
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Definitely has to do with the way the cables transmit power. I have 1 cable that will work with every charger I have including the New Trent IMP1000 where none of the others, including the OEM cable, will show as "Charging (AC)". No idea where I got the cable or I'd pick up a couple extras. It's a retractable cable with interchangeable micro/mini tips and the cable has a round plug that plugs into the tips.
Anyone found a charger that can charge the N7 over a 2 amp port?
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Anyone found a charger that can charge the N7 over a 2 amp port?
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Yoobao 11200mah works with the small micro USB cable provided with the battery back. I'm still awaiting for my anker astro3 to arrive but all battery packs with true 2a ports can charge the nexus 7 (provided you have the right cable)
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Another Newtrent 9900 post. It works, as the others have pointed out, with just the included USB cables and no others. I don't know if this is just unique to the N7, but to activate charging mode you have to hold the power down for a few seconds, other wise you just get a read out of how charged up it is. I guess maybe its made to work this way, but no instructions were included with mine so it confused me for a minute.
Anker 8000mAh works at 2A with the Anker cable, no go with a straight usb.
Hi all,
Can anyone point me to a known car charger which fast charges the G2? (Preferably not a $30 charger)
All but one of my previous car chargers only slow charge. I also just bought 2 from Amazon which claim to be 2 amp, but they also slow charge (just packed them up to go back).
Thanks.
dinotheo said:
Hi all,
Can anyone point me to a known car charger which fast charges the G2? (Preferably not a $30 charger)
All but one of my previous car chargers only slow charge. I also just bought 2 from Amazon which claim to be 2 amp, but they also slow charge (just packed them up to go back).
Thanks.
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It's my understanding that you can make one by shorting the data pins in a USB cable, but just remember to never, ever use that USB cable on a PC or else you'll damage the port.
I, too, am frustrated by LG's attempt to thwart fast-charge via normal USB cables. Once we have custom kernels, this will likely be resolved. I used leankernel on my GNex and had a fast-charge widget that would let me go from 0 to 100% in about 45 minutes.
DeaconBoogie said:
It's my understanding that you can make one by shorting the data pins in a USB cable, but just remember to never, ever use that USB cable on a PC or else you'll damage the port.
I, too, am frustrated by LG's attempt to thwart fast-charge via normal USB cables. Once we have custom kernels, this will likely be resolved. I used leankernel on my GNex and had a fast-charge widget that would let me go from 0 to 100% in about 45 minutes.
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Its not just LG, most Android manufacturers do this. This is absolutely nothing new!!!!
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It's my understanding that you can make one by shorting the data pins in a USB cable, but just remember to never, ever use that USB cable on a PC or else you'll damage the port.
I, too, am frustrated by LG's attempt to thwart fast-charge via normal USB cables. Once we have custom kernels, this will likely be resolved. I used leankernel on my GNex and had a fast-charge widget that would let me go from 0 to 100% in about 45 minutes.
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This makes some sense as my previous phone was a GNex running CyanogenMod with Franco Kernel. 3/4 of my previously working "fast" chargers only slow charge my G2.
Strangely, when using LG's USB cable plugged into my laptop's USB allows fast charging.
I use a Palm car charger, it's the best one I've ever found, and they can usually be found for around $10. It will fast charge the G2, tested and confirmed.
Okay, I take it back, it doesn't stay on fast charging. After a minute, the slow charge notification pops up. But this is the fastest car charger that I've ever found, and I looked around for a while.
The G2 is capable of an even faster fast charge than what we are used to, and that's why other home chargers also show slow charge. It's not really slow, just not as fast as it could be.
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But what I use most of the time is this,
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How in the world??
It's a Nokia wireless charger stuck onto an igrip alumina car mount. And wired into a 12v outlet.
I bought this at Walgreen and seems to charge just as good as at home. 10 bucks the blue led is a little much at night tho..
Oh they come in any color you want. I use the cable that cane with my device that cable is thick so I'm assuming it's needed.
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My HTC car charger works as a fast charger. This is the one I have:
http://www.htcdepot.com/htc-micro-usb-dual-1a-car-charger/5A47A6902.htm
dougxd said:
My HTC car charger works as a fast charger. This is the one I have:
http://www.htcdepot.com/htc-micro-usb-dual-1a-car-charger/5A47A6902.htm
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Output shows 1A, which is standard for car chargers. Fast charge via our LG wall charger is 1.8A -- 80% faster than 1A car chargers.
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Its not just LG, most Android manufacturers do this. This is absolutely nothing new!!!!
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Yes, you are correct. But it seems that they are going "the extra mile" to make it more difficult...
For example, when I use my GNex USB adapter, it says "slow charge"... When I use an Apple wall charger, "slow charge". Unless I use LG's cable. I can't get fast charge to work with anything at all unless I am using LG's cable. Even then, it may or may not work with the non-LG adapter.
Can't wait for a kernel that has fast charge enabled. With the wireless storage feature of this phone, there's no reason to use MTP anymore, IMO.
So is it the cable or the 1.8a "base" that enables us to fast charge?
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Yes, you are correct. But it seems that they are going "the extra mile" to make it more difficult...
For example, when I use my GNex USB adapter, it says "slow charge"... When I use an Apple wall charger, "slow charge". Unless I use LG's cable. I can't get fast charge to work with anything at all unless I am using LG's cable. Even then, it may or may not work with the non-LG adapter.
Can't wait for a kernel that has fast charge enabled. With the wireless storage feature of this phone, there's no reason to use MTP anymore, IMO.
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I'm 90% sure this has to do with the cable. Most premium USB cables are 24awg/28awg (power/data). The LG OEM cable is 20awg/28awg, and I'm guessing the phone detects the voltage drop in order to determine slow vs fast charge. FWIW, going from 20awg to 24awg yields an increase in resistance of 2.5x. I may be off base on this being the underlying cause, but I cannot think of any reason why I can fast charge on my 2.1A car charger only with the OEM cable, just like with the OEM wall charger. I'm going to hunt for a 20/28 USB cable to test this theory. In another thread, I said I was able to fast charge with regular USB cables on my car charger but I couldn't replicate it today. Phone would slow charge in all instances of USB cables, modified or not, on my 2.1A car charger.
yes, the cable is a difference.
other cables only show as slow charge with the same adapter.
now where to find these lg usb cables
illyfilly said:
yes, the cable is a difference.
other cables only show as slow charge with the same adapter.
now where to find these lg usb cables
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This.
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What about this car charger on Amazon?
My Motorola car charger has been superb. It has consistently outperformed any and all wall chargers.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Vehi...80004218&sr=8-1&keywords=motorola+car+charger
I bought amazon brand micro usb cables and they worked with the oem charger so they must be good enough to handle the extra load.
Is anyone else having problems with certain usb cords working? I have a 2.1A dual usb car charger, but only the stock G2 cord works for charging!
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Output shows 1A, which is standard for car chargers. Fast charge via our LG wall charger is 1.8A -- 80% faster than 1A car chargers.
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Yep...I know. I'm just saying that the phone doesn't popup that notification saying that it's slow-charging when I use that charger.
Hey Nexus 6 owners, I'm patiently waiting for mine to show up tomorrow but I was wondering how long the charging cord is that comes with the phone?
If its short, has anyone replaced it with a linger cord and if so does it affect the fast charging feature or is that built into the wall plug?
spunks3 said:
Hey Nexus 6 owners, I'm patiently waiting for mine to show up tomorrow but I was wondering how long the charging cord is that comes with the phone?
If its short, has anyone replaced it with a linger cord and if so does it affect the fast charging feature or is that built into the wall plug?
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Its short...maybe three feet.
brizey said:
Its short...maybe three feet.
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Crud, I have a 6 foot cord but it prob won't work with turbo charge or whatever its called ... Guess I'll post my results when I have a few days to compare...
A longer cord should be a thicker gauge in order to offset the loss of energy. You can find 28/24 gauge (28 gauge data and 24 gauge power) USB cables just about anywhere.
Here is the cable I am using which is 6ft long: http://www.amazon.com/iXCC-Charger-Samsung-Android-Tablets/dp/B00MVAO742/
Here is a picture comparing it to the OEM cable.
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Charging with the OEM 3ft cable
Charging with the iXCC 6ft cable
First off, we should clarify that the Quick Charge 2.0 standard requires a data cable (not a charge-only cable) to work. In other words, it needs all four USB pins to be connected the their counterparts at the other end. If you have a longer cable, and it's not working, this is likely why. (Or, more precisely, it may charge your phone, but it'll be locked to the 5V setting, and won't be able to activate the 9V or 12V settings.)
Technically, ANY cable reduces DC voltage, and thus, the power that makes it to the other end. A one-inch cable has a voltage drop, as does a 50-foot cable. The difference is in the amount. So, ANY cable will affect fast charging. However, voltage drop is typically measured in percentages, so it will drop Quick Charge 1.0 (the 2A USB charge that we all know and love) the same percentage as it will with Quick Charge 2.0. However, since a standard (QC 1.0) cable charges at a max of 10W, and a QC 2.0 cable charges at a max of 36W, you'll see a larger drop with the higher power QC 2.0, even though the percentage would be the same. (I should point out that no QC 2.0 adapter currently charges at the 36W theoretical maximum. Even Moto's Turbo Charger is only pushing 14.4W at both the 12V and 9V levels, whereas the standard allows a maximum of 36W and 27W at those levels respectively.)
You can reduce the amount of voltage drop by buying AWG 20 or 22 cables (most USB cables are AWG 24 or even 28), but those are a lot thicker. The reality is that even an AWG 24 cable only loses like 6% voltage drop at 3M (10ft.), which is less than the 10% voltage variance allowed by most adapters. In short, you're not even going to notice. Unless you're dealing with a 25-50 ft. cable, I wouldn't worry about it "affecting" quick charge, because the only ones who will really notice the difference are the electrical engineers who designed it.
I have a 5 feet(standard OEM) Samsung cable dedicated for charging only, and it turbo charges the same as the stock one
jt3 said:
First off, we should clarify that the Quick Charge 2.0 standard requires a data cable (not a charge-only cable) to work. In other words, it needs all four USB pins to be connected the their counterparts at the other end. If you have a longer cable, and it's not working, this is likely why. (Or, more precisely, it may charge your phone, but it'll be locked to the 5V setting, and won't be able to activate the 9V or 12V settings.)
Technically, ANY cable reduces DC voltage, and thus, the power that makes it to the other end. A one-inch cable has a voltage drop, as does a 50-foot cable. The difference is in the amount. So, ANY cable will affect fast charging. However, voltage drop is typically measured in percentages, so it will drop Quick Charge 1.0 (the 2A USB charge that we all know and love) the same percentage as it will with Quick Charge 2.0. However, since a standard (QC 1.0) cable charges at a max of 10W, and a QC 2.0 cable charges at a max of 36W, you'll see a larger drop with the higher power QC 2.0, even though the percentage would be the same. (I should point out that no QC 2.0 adapter currently charges at the 36W theoretical maximum. Even Moto's Turbo Charger is only pushing 14.4W at both the 12V and 9V levels, whereas the standard allows a maximum of 36W and 27W at those levels respectively.)
You can reduce the amount of voltage drop by buying AWG 20 or 22 cables (most USB cables are AWG 24 or even 28), but those are a lot thicker. The reality is that even an AWG 24 cable only loses like 6% voltage drop at 3M (10ft.), which is less than the 10% voltage variance allowed by most adapters. In short, you're not even going to notice. Unless you're dealing with a 25-50 ft. cable, I wouldn't worry about it "affecting" quick charge, because the only ones who will really notice the difference are the electrical engineers who designed it.
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I mean the length of the cable matters, but as long as it's AWG 24 or thicker then it should be fine.
The attached graph shows 3 cables at 1, 3, and 6 ft lengths. They are all 28/28 gauge.
Working fine here with a 10ft cable.
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spunks3 said:
If its short, has anyone replaced it with a linger cord and if so does it affect the fast charging feature
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The provided cable is typical. Neither short nor long. Fortunately cable length is, if reasonable, irrelevant. I checked a 10 foot standard gauge cable and it charges at "high" speed.
I am looking to buy some 28/24 cables from monoprice...probably 6ft...since the included cable is even shorter than the Nexus 5 cable, which was barely enough for me.
Does anyone know if the included Nexus 6 cable is 24 or 28 gauge?
Also, I'd like to do some comparison between my cables to see which ones charge the fastest and how many mA they can pull...this is best done on a low battery, correct? At high charge levels it won't pull anywhere near 2000mA, from my understanding.
jeffreii said:
I am looking to buy some 28/24 cables from monoprice...probably 6ft...since the included cable is even shorter than the Nexus 5 cable, which was barely enough for me.
Does anyone know if the included Nexus 6 cable is 24 or 28 gauge?
Also, I'd like to do some comparison between my cables to see which ones charge the fastest and how many mA they can pull...this is best done on a low battery, correct? At high charge levels it won't pull anywhere near 2000mA, from my understanding.
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I think pretty much all manufacturers use the 28/24 cables (which means, 28 Gauge for the data wires and 24 Gauge for the power wires). If you're REALLY concerned about it, Newegg has some 22 Gauge cables (that are actually 28/22 Gauge). They're the thickest cables that I've been able to find that are readily available without a crazy bulk requirement (like 1000 or more). If you buy two or more, they're less than $4 each, but that's still 3x the price of the 28/24 cables from Monoprice. The reality is that even without the turbo charger, the difference in charge time between the two (6 ft.) cables will likely be a few minutes at most.
Oh, also... If you're using the Turbo charger, you're not going to get close to 2A (2000mA) anyway, since it's only a 1.6A charger (at 5V or 9V -- 1.2A at 12V).
Thanks for the clarification. I read that most cheap cables are 28/28.
I have a 10 ft cable I bought from amazon works good fully charges phone in about 45mins
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Thanks for the clarification. I read that most cheap cables are 28/28.
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Yeah, I should clarify a bit further. When I said "manufacturers," I meant phone manufacturers. In other words, the data cables that typically come with phones will be 28/24. Cheap data cables can be 28/28 (sometimes with a nice thick shroud to hide this fact). Usually though, the really cheap cables won't be data cables at all, but charge-only cables. A lot of those are 28 Gauge.
digweed4me said:
I have a 10 ft cable I bought from amazon works good fully charges phone in about 45mins
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What's the name of the 10ft cable and can you repost the link or item # on Amazon, the original link is directing me to the Amazon home page not an item page. Thanks.
ggfb20 said:
What's the name of the 10ft cable and can you repost the link or item # on Amazon, the original link is directing me to the Amazon home page not an item page. Thanks.
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i bought gold plated ones
http://www.amazon.com/Hi-mobiler-Ch...amsung+Lg+HTC+and+Other+Tablet+Smartphone+(Bl
Just ordered two of them.
How can you tell which is which?
jt3 said:
First off, we should clarify that the Quick Charge 2.0 standard requires a data cable (not a charge-only cable) to work. In other words, it needs all four USB pins to be connected the their counterparts at the other end. If you have a longer cable, and it's not working, this is likely why. (Or, more precisely, it may charge your phone, but it'll be locked to the 5V setting, and won't be able to activate the 9V or 12V settings.)
Technically, ANY cable reduces DC voltage, and thus, the power that makes it to the other end. A one-inch cable has a voltage drop, as does a 50-foot cable. The difference is in the amount. So, ANY cable will affect fast charging. However, voltage drop is typically measured in percentages, so it will drop Quick Charge 1.0 (the 2A USB charge that we all know and love) the same percentage as it will with Quick Charge 2.0. However, since a standard (QC 1.0) cable charges at a max of 10W, and a QC 2.0 cable charges at a max of 36W, you'll see a larger drop with the higher power QC 2.0, even though the percentage would be the same. (I should point out that no QC 2.0 adapter currently charges at the 36W theoretical maximum. Even Moto's Turbo Charger is only pushing 14.4W at both the 12V and 9V levels, whereas the standard allows a maximum of 36W and 27W at those levels respectively.)
You can reduce the amount of voltage drop by buying AWG 20 or 22 cables (most USB cables are AWG 24 or even 28), but those are a lot thicker. The reality is that even an AWG 24 cable only loses like 6% voltage drop at 3M (10ft.), which is less than the 10% voltage variance allowed by most adapters. In short, you're not even going to notice. Unless you're dealing with a 25-50 ft. cable, I wouldn't worry about it "affecting" quick charge, because the only ones who will really notice the difference are the electrical engineers who designed it.
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How can you tell if it is a data cable or a charge-only cable without taking it apart?
dalegg said:
How can you tell if it is a data cable or a charge-only cable without taking it apart?
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The easiest way is to use it to plug your phone into a computer. If your computer doesn't recognize that you've plugged your phone in, but does with other cables, then it's probably a charge-only cable.
spunks3 said:
Hey Nexus 6 owners, I'm patiently waiting for mine to show up tomorrow but I was wondering how long the charging cord is that comes with the phone?
If its short, has anyone replaced it with a linger cord and if so does it affect the fast charging feature or is that built into the wall plug?
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XtremeGuard is always doing 80% Off sales. Got one of their 6' cables for like 2$ and it works great with the Nexus6 turbo charger.
I think i find the correct rapid chargers for Nexus 5X, see photos:
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I have tried different car chargers, only this one make my nexus showing rapid charging on screen.
I got it from amazon, here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Type-C-Charger-Tronsmart-Charge-Technology-USB/dp/B0146FK3G0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445418633&sr=8-1&keywords=type+c+car+charger
Droid-life has an article showing that this charger gets close to providing the same amps as the stock wall charger. I'm definitely buying one today.
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Could you check with an app like Ampere and compare numbers to the included wall charger? I'm guessing it's 2.4A and not the full 3A. Still faster than 2A at least but not the full potential.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
EeZeEpEe said:
Could you check with an app like Ampere and compare numbers to the included wall charger? I'm guessing it's 2.4A and not the full 3A. Still faster than 2A at least but not the full potential.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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will do that later, but droid-life already make an test, check here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
Update 3: Last one for me, then it’s on to the engineers to try and give you even more clarity here. This morning, I started my phone at 40%, gave each charge up to 2% charge, grabbed a screenshot, then wound them back to 40% to do the next charger. Here are the results.
Idle phone: 118mA
Official LG USB Type-C charger: 2642mA
Aukey QC 2.0 PowerBank: 1241mA
Original Turbo Charger: 1314mA
Hikeren 5V/3A Thunder Charger: 1988mA
Samsung Fast Charger: 1961mA
Tronsmart QC 2.0 Car charger: 2511mA
I can't see 3A current in the original charger, but seems the tronsmart charger can give almost the same current as the original ones.
GeekEric said:
will do that later, but droid-life already make an test, check here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
Update 3: Last one for me, then it’s on to the engineers to try and give you even more clarity here. This morning, I started my phone at 40%, gave each charge up to 2% charge, grabbed a screenshot, then wound them back to 40% to do the next charger. Here are the results.
Idle phone: 118mA
Official LG USB Type-C charger: 2642mA
Aukey QC 2.0 PowerBank: 1241mA
Original Turbo Charger: 1314mA
Hikeren 5V/3A Thunder Charger: 1988mA
Samsung Fast Charger: 1961mA
Tronsmart QC 2.0 Car charger: 2511mA
I can't see 3A current in the original charger, but seems the tronsmart charger can give almost the same current as the original ones.
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Interesting. The Tronsmart for them gave only 1.8A but could be because it was done at a higher battery percentage.
And I'm willing to bet that at very low battery (5-15%) the stock charger does 3A.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
EeZeEpEe said:
Interesting. The Tronsmart for them gave only 1.8A but could be because it was done at a higher battery percentage.
And I'm willing to bet that at very low battery (5-15%) the stock charger does 3A.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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The picture you posted is the "update 2" Following is the"update 3" of droidlife:
Idle phone: 118mA
Official LG USB Type-C charger: 2642mA
Aukey QC 2.0 PowerBank: 1241mA
Original Turbo Charger: 1314mA
Hikeren 5V/3A Thunder Charger: 1988mA
Samsung Fast Charger: 1961mA
Tronsmart QC 2.0 Car charger: 2511mA
At the end, kellex said: In this latest round of results, though, I did see the Tronsmart car charger almost equal it in terms of output.
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/19/nexus-6p-nexus-5x-quick-charge/
You can check here : http://goo.gl/B8TZXf
This nexus 5x car charger is the best on the market right now, one of the few quick chargers for this phone. I thinks its a MUST accessory to have for this phone
EeZeEpEe said:
Could you check with an app like Ampere and compare numbers to the included wall charger? I'm guessing it's 2.4A and not the full 3A. Still faster than 2A at least but not the full potential.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
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I just got my phone and I'm merely topping off the battery, but Ampere first gives an error in inability to gauge battery charge then asked to switch modes... then it only shows around 1A for the OEM charger. So not sure we are gonna get good reading from that app. I guess it's possible that the amps tapper off when the battery gets close to full, but there seems to be better testing involved here.
minnemike said:
I just got my phone and I'm merely topping off the battery, but Ampere first gives an error in inability to gauge battery charge then asked to switch modes... then it only shows around 1A for the OEM charger. So not sure we are gonna get good reading from that app. I guess it's possible that the amps tapper off when the battery gets close to full, but there seems to be better testing involved here.
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I believe I saw a video or read an article that explains that all fast charging tech basically works the same. The more empty the battery the greater the charge. As it gets full it'll be less. So topping off and only getting 1A could be right.
Sent from my Sprint Galaxy S5.
Full disclosure, @Tronsmart provided me a unit in exchange for an unbiased review. I've been using this charger for a few days on my Nexus 6 and have to say I'm very happy with it. I have a few Quick Charge 2.0 devices but also have a Nexus 5X and 6P on the way, so I wanted something that could handle any device. The Quick Charge port delivers, rapidly charging my Nexus 6 without any issue. The included 1m cable is very thick, as is the fixed Type C cable. My Nexus 5X showed up today, and officially it will not charge as quickly as the included 5V/3A charger the phones come with as this tops out at 5V/2.4A. That said, the fixed Type C cable registered as "rapidly charging" so while it may not be quite as fast as the 15W wall charger it's delivering enough power for the phone to indicate rapid charge. I'm very happy with this car charger since it offers both the old and new options until Type C becomes more ubiquitous.
kellybrf said:
Full disclosure, @Tronsmart provided me a unit in exchange for an unbiased review. I've been using this charger for a few days on my Nexus 6 and have to say I'm very happy with it. I have a few Quick Charge 2.0 devices but also have a Nexus 5X and 6P on the way, so I wanted something that could handle any device. The Quick Charge port delivers, rapidly charging my Nexus 6 without any issue. The included 1m cable is very thick, as is the fixed Type C cable. My Nexus 5X showed up today, and officially it will not charge as quickly as the included 5V/3A charger the phones come with as this tops out at 5V/2.4A. That said, the fixed Type C cable registered as "rapidly charging" so while it may not be quite as fast as the 15W wall charger it's delivering enough power for the phone to indicate rapid charge. I'm very happy with this car charger since it offers both the old and new options until Type C becomes more ubiquitous.
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Have you got the 6p? my bro's order still pending. If you get the 6P, please also test if it will rapid charging it, and show us some photos.
It's helpful to hear your review.
Glad it helped, no 6p yet. I'm still pending too
Can someone tell me if this would work for rapid charge?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A3P4UZIS42PRQV
Mrpeeng said:
Can someone tell me if this would work for rapid charge?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A3P4UZIS42PRQV
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For that price, you may as well try it. I will say though, the cable you use could make the difference and then there may be a handshake issue for it to get a full 3a charge. I think it is still very much unknown which type of car charger can provide the full 3a until they get tested. My guess is that you will need a true USB-C type that is also rated for at least 3a.
This nexus 5x car charger is the best on the market right now
Mrpeeng said:
Can someone tell me if this would work for rapid charge?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...ue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A3P4UZIS42PRQV
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First review on Amazon is:
Cheap
Blew up (sparked, smoked), without even having anything plugged into it. Used it once.
There are a couple other reviews that say it doesn't charge at 3A.
I'd steer clear, but that's just me.
check the price here will definetely get one today!
http://goo.gl/XpTVS4
Anyone read this?
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/9...-chip-and-a-soldered-usb-type-c-connector.htm
"The Nexus 5X currently does not have a Quick Charge feature. However, this teardown attests it is equipped with the ability to support the feature in the future, since it houses the Qualcomm SMB1358, Quick Charge 2.0 IC. Given the fact the 5X's USB-Type C connector is supported by Qualcomm, a possibility exists that this feature could soon be activated for the device."
Is that true? How to activate the quick charge 2.0 on Nexus 5x? can't wait for this, developer!!!!!
When I used the AmazonBasics Charger (2 USB ports, claiming up to 2A each) with an A to C cable my 5X says 'Charging Rapidly'. (Apologies for no links - new user account)
I haven't tried it with Ampere yet - I wasn't expecting it to say that at all, I was just looking to keep things topped off during my commute this morning.
Mailman just delivered the Tronsmart. Seems well built. It's odd that they chose to hardwire the cable to the charger rather than putting a female USB C port on the charger and then including a USB C double ended cable.
I bought a Nexus 5x from the USA, but I live in the UK. I will therefore need to replace the wall charger when it arrives.
For my old Nexus 5 I use an iPad charger. This is fast, and adaptable, since I travel a lot, I can switch the figure of 8 input on the iPad charger to whatever country I am in, and it allows me to carry only one charger and switch between Nexus and iPad charging.
I realise that the old iPad charger will be quite slow to charge my new nexus 5x. I would like a replacement that is at least as dependable as my iPad charger, but with the usb-c standard. The perfect charger would have swappable plugs, like the iPad, with a usb-c AND standard usb 2/3 ports.
Any ideas?
Nobody found an alternative to this yet? Is it at least possible to buy a standard, genuine, nexus 5x charger with a uk plug?
Can't you just use an outlet adapter?
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I now have my US plug and a clumsy US->UK adapter. Not the perfect solution:
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I assume that a host of USB-C plugs will come out in the next few months. I am still craving that Apple charger functionality.
I ordered Googles charger, its compact and has a long/slim cable. Recommended!
I have the eu-plug but it should be available in UK model...
I only bought and adapter
Well, I had a Moto X 2014 with quick charger and I lost it, so my replacement was the 5X. In order to keep my previous chargers I bought a micro usb -> Usb C adapter. It's works pretty well for both charging and data transfer and isn't that expensive and you can still use your previous charger.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B018AM74KI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Remember that the OEM charger has an output of 3.0A so you might use a big charger, like the one of an IPAD or S6.
Chuliander said:
Well, I had a Moto X 2014 with quick charger and I lost it, so my replacement was the 5X. In order to keep my previous chargers I bought a micro usb -> Usb C adapter. It's works pretty well for both charging and data transfer and isn't that expensive and you can still use your previous charger.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B018AM74KI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
Remember that the OEM charger has an output of 3.0A so you might use a big charger, like the one of an IPAD or S6.
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From what I understand though, the old USB formats are not capable of delivering 3.0A. It has to be USB-C. Adapters will turn your charge to 2.5A maximum.
I might be wrong, but have read a few things that suggest this. With my official Google charger I can charge my Nexus 5x fully in about 30 minutes.
therourke said:
From what I understand though, the old USB formats are not capable of delivering 3.0A. It has to be USB-C. Adapters will turn your charge to 2.5A maximum.
I might be wrong, but have read a few things that suggest this. With my official Google charger I can charge my Nexus 5x fully in about 30 minutes.
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I believe you are right, it might not charge at 3.0 A, but it did a good job with my 2.4A Aukey charger. I didn't measure the charging time, but it's aceptable. I can run some tests if your are still interest.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B0116ZQ9J8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
Chuliander said:
I believe you are right, it might not charge at 3.0 A, but it did a good job with my 2.4A Aukey charger. I didn't measure the charging time, but it's aceptable. I can run some tests if your are still interest.
http://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B0116ZQ9J8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
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I eventually went for the official Google wired charger. My multi-function figure of 8 USB-c charger dreams will have to wait.
You can just get a USB C adapter that will let you use your old phone cables - http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte-Con...&qid=1452787474&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+c+adapter
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You can just get a USB C adapter that will let you use your old phone cables - http://www.amazon.com/TechMatte-Con...&qid=1452787474&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+c+adapter
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No. This will only charge at old USB ampage (and therefore speed).
I'm curious if anyone has tried these likely fake 5V/3A chargers from ebay?
e.g. Genuine 5V/3A Fast Charger AC Wall Adapter Type C Cable F LG Nexus 5X H791 H790
envoi79 said:
I think you need this one:
Search B019C23ZGW on amazon(dot)com
Sorry new users can't post links ))
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That looks great except.... I live in the UK.
My perfect charger would be something like this, but with a modular plug - like the Apple chargers - with a figure of 8 input compatible with these.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A8V6RI4?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
this one's pretty good (just don't charge 3 devices at once)
search for Choetech on Amazon UK
I'm in the same/similar boat as I've got a nexus 5x with the wrong country's charger-type - With the little adapter-things that just change the plug on the older micro-USB cables, is there a danger of cheap ones such as this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Mi...333069?hash=item2ca48e09cd:g:LDgAAOSwFGNWSUtf damaging the charger into which it is plugged, or worse yet the actual phone? What would be the cheapest *safe* cable which would charge the nexus 5x off any standard USB A port (ie. older chargers or a computer) (even at slower speed) as I have a lot of older chargers around and like to keep them at a few places so getting one cable is the best way to do this.
apopberz said:
I'm in the same/similar boat as I've got a nexus 5x with the wrong country's charger-type - With the little adapter-things that just change the plug on the older micro-USB cables, is there a danger of cheap ones such as this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Portable-Mi...333069?hash=item2ca48e09cd:g:LDgAAOSwFGNWSUtf damaging the charger into which it is plugged, or worse yet the actual phone? What would be the cheapest *safe* cable which would charge the nexus 5x off any standard USB A port (ie. older chargers or a computer) (even at slower speed) as I have a lot of older chargers around and like to keep them at a few places so getting one cable is the best way to do this.
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Here's the cheapest Benson approved cable:
http://www.amazon.com/CHOETECH-Hi-s...sb-20&linkId=5fb5aeb5a0a13be2651623d21bce4a0a
As listed here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...XK1dl8I91V4-eP_sfNVNzbA/edit?usp=docslist_api
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I already own an Anker multi port charger, and have just bought the new one which has 1 USB C port and 4 standard USB ports with a total out put of 40W. The USB C port is rated at 3A and charges my 5x quickly. The other ports are 2.4A maximum and I have had no problems charging several devices simultaneously, Its a little smaller than a cigarette packet and has the figure 8 socket for change of power lead when travelling.
Thoroughly recommended
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0196IMNTC