Logitech Bluetooth Keyboard for Android Initial Impressions (Full Review to Come) - Nexus 7 Accessories

Logitech Bluetooth Keyboard for Android
So initially I was writing this on my Nexus 7 but lost everything I had written twice due to what seems like an issue with the Nexus 7's bluetooth. I'll go into more detail about that a bit later but for now here are my initial thoughts on the Logitech Bluetooth keyboard linked above. I picked one up on eBay for $29.99 (retail ~$69) and it arrived yesterday.
Layout & Form
Let me just say, this keyboard is stylish. From the moment you open the package (not that stylish) you can tell that much thought and effort was put in to the design of this product. It is very sleek (both the case and keyboard), and even matches the Nexus 7 down to the blue accent on the media/function keys.
Size-wise this keyboard is about as close to a full size keyboard as you can get while still being portable and comfortable to type on. It does not contain a NUM pad or Home/End/Page buttons, but it does have small arrow keys under the Enter/Shift buttons. Typing on this keyboard took absolutely no time to get used to. I was typing up documentation for work while playing Dota 2 on my desktop because I wanted to use this thing so much
It comes with an amazing case to protect your investment however, it also doubles as a stand for your tablet that allows your to adjust the viewing angle a bit. Great feature! Overall, the build quality of this keyboard/case feels top notch.
Function
Not only does the keyboard look and feel great, but it also works! It has a lot more functionality outside of just typing which I was quite surprised by. It connected quickly and easily the first time which was also a nice perk. It also did not seem to lag at all. When typing fast it didn't miss a keystroke. Features outside of typing worth noting:
Alt+Tab functionality to switch between recently used apps
Home key to bring you back to the home screen
Media keys
Calendar, Browser, Mail, Music function keys (the browser one doesn't seem to work for me)
Some typical hotkeys work (ie: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) however some I had no luck with in the app I was using (ie: Ctrl+B, Ctrl+I, Ctrl+U)
Ability to navigate around home screen or app UI elements using TAB
Keyboard Specific Cons
There aren't many things that I don't like about this keyboard. There were only two things that I could find that bugged me a little bit but are by no means even close to being deal breakers (more personal preference I would say).
The case does not cover the entire keyboard, only the keys so a little bit at the top sticks out a bit.
There is no female micro-USB port for plugging the keyboard into a power source. It runs on (2) batteries so when they die you'll just have to replace them.
Nexus 7 Experience Pitfalls
One of the major downsides for me were connectivity issues with the Nexus 7. However, I believe this a problem on the tablet side and not an issue with the keyboard itself. I had several instances where they keyboard would hang and the last letter would be repeated until I turn the keyboard on and off and reconnected it. This would not be a major issue if it weren't for another issue that coincides with this, and this is a big one. When turning the keyboard on/off and connecting/disconnecting it from the Nexus 7, the Nexus 7 will refresh whatever screen you are viewing. If you are on your home screen, it will redraw your home screen, if you are browsing the web, it will refresh all your tabs. When using the keyboard in evernote this wasn't a huge issue however, when I was initially writing up this review it would refresh the browser and I lost everything I had written.
This seems to be an issue with the tablet because I had similar issues when tethering it to my phone for using the internet. Regardless, I figured it was major enough to mention. Another issue which may be on the tablet end as well (with the default browser switching to chrome) is the lack of functionality of the browser media key. This is not a deal breaker for me though.
Overall Impression
Overall, I love this keyboard however, I cannot use it due to the major bluetooth connectivity issue that exists with the Nexus 7. Hopefully this is just a software issue that can be fixed, but until then I will have to keep this amazing accessory on a shelf. It's a shame because I really love this keyboard. I actually use it on my laptop now instead of the laptops keyboard

Quick update on the bluetooth issue:
I have old speakers that I use at my office that are not shielded. This may be what's causing my bluetooth disconnect issues with both my phone and keyboard but I'll have to test to see if this is actually the case. I was having minor bluetooth issues at home as well which leads me to believe it's the tablet.

Will Share My Experience
I have yet to receive my N7 and an ordered Logitech keyboard. I'll share my experiences, too, when I get them. That way we might be able to see if the bluetooth problem you're having is specific to your device or more generic.

Thanks for the input. I have left my tablet on with the keyboard paired with it off to the side of my desk and it seems to be doing fine so I'm thinking my old crap speakers were causing the interference.
However, I have been able to repeat the problem connecting and disconnecting of bluetooth devices consistantly. It seems that when you connect or disconnect a paired device, whatever screen you are on gets refreshed or redrawn. Seems like it may be an easy fix on the software end, unfortunately I am no developer. Also not sure if it would be on the kernel level or the OS level.
EDIT: I also started a thread more specific to the bluetooth issue here.

No Chrome Support?
Got the keyboard today for my Nexus 7 and everything works except the key to launch the browser. Anybody having similar issues - figured out how to correct?

mattmanb said:
Got the keyboard today for my Nexus 7 and everything works except the key to launch the browser. Anybody having similar issues - figured out how to correct?
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It's probably looking for the ICS stock browser to open I guess... Could try changing the name of the Chrome APK in system apps to match the old stock browser and see whether that works...

My wife has the ipad version of this keyboard I should try it out on my nexus 7.

EDIT: Also wanted to correct your review that it takes 4 AAA batteries, not 2.
I just got my keyboard today and I'm loving it so far. Haven't had any connectivity issues or any other type of issue.
I was worried about the stand/keyboard dwarfing the 7 inch tablet, but it works pretty nicely. Since I could never find any pictures of landscape and/or portrait of the Nexus in use with this accessory, here are some shots:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

This reminded me to try my wifes iPad version of this out, and works pretty good. Weirdly at first, it wasn't.. Shift key was behaving really weird, sticking... then couldn't type again until I hit it a few times.
Now.. After reconnecting once, it's working good. Control, alt both work.. the cmd key paired with other keys do app shortcuts, like cmd-a is calculator, cmd-c is contacts etc.. Interesting.
Media keys work.. so cmd-p launches Google Music, then fn-7 8 9 0 - + control things. Cool. Fn-Delete puts the N7 to sleep..
Told the wife her keyboard might go missing. Heh. But in reality, I won't use it... Rare I'd need a keyboard like this that I'm not near a computer anyway, and I'm not carrying the keyboard around with me 24/7, so.. Maybe useful for some things though.

My only question about this keyboard is the weight. I've picked up the package in a few stores and it seems *heavy*. I've a small Apple (hush now, I'm using it to run my HTPC!) bluetooth keyboard at home which feels like a feather compared to the box. Is it just oddly heavy packaging, or is this keyboard, well, a bit porky?

RikF said:
My only question about this keyboard is the weight. I've picked up the package in a few stores and it seems *heavy*. I've a small Apple (hush now, I'm using it to run my HTPC!) bluetooth keyboard at home which feels like a feather compared to the box. Is it just oddly heavy packaging, or is this keyboard, well, a bit porky?
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It is a bit. But a surprising amount of that weight is the case. According to my kitchen scale... the N7 = 335g. Keyboard with batteries = 400g. Keyboard in case = 620g! 220g for the case / stand. My N7 will soon have it's own case / stand, so I think I'll ditch the keyboard one.

rwb2073 said:
It is a bit. But a surprising amount of that weight is the case. According to my kitchen scale... the N7 = 335g. Keyboard with batteries = 400g. Keyboard in case = 620g! 220g for the case / stand. My N7 will soon have it's own case / stand, so I think I'll ditch the keyboard one.
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I'm on the same boat, my Portenzo case arrives this week.
Update: After returning the first keyboard I got and receiving a replacement everything works fine. The screen still refreshes when I turn on the keyboard which is odd, but now it stays connected with no sticking key issues.
I LOVE THIS KEYBOARD. Sorry to be absent, work has been nuts. I'll flesh out the original post sometime soon with updates.

bernjc3 said:
I'm on the same boat, my Portenzo case arrives this week.
Update: After returning the first keyboard I got and receiving a replacement everything works fine. The screen still refreshes when I turn on the keyboard which is odd, but now it stays connected with no sticking key issues.
I LOVE THIS KEYBOARD. Sorry to be absent, work has been nuts. I'll flesh out the original post sometime soon with updates.
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I agree, it works great with the N7.
I get no refreshing when I disconnect / reconnect here though. While paired, input is fast, then when I power the keyboard off, there is a delay of about 15 seconds until the tablet realizes the connection has been lost and the software keyboard pops up. When I turn the hardware keyboard back on it connects almost instantly and the software keyboard goes away. No refresh or loss of work (in Catch Notes, for example). I wonder if this is related to the currently selected software keyboard? I'm using Ultra Keyboard, which has settings specifically to work with a hardware keyboard, when present. The tool bar and some of the features are still available while the Logitech keyboard is connected. Text zoom in / out is very helpful in particular, for example.
I've also found that when I connect to another device (laptop for example) the Logitech gets finicky about later being used with the N7. I think it likes to play with just one host device. The fix for me is a battery pull and all the connectivity issues go away (until I use it with the laptop again that is).

Yeah as far as weight goes you'll definitely notice it in your pack, but at least you knows its solid construction.
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Hi,
I've had my Logitech Bluetooth keyboard for a week now. It works well in Evernote, flawless actually. But my problem is that when I do a search in Chrome or use Google Now (or whatever it is at the bottom) I will start typing and it'll hang up on a letter going "tttttttttttttt" until I turn the keyboard off.
I *feel* it has something to do with instant search, I'm not sure. Anyone else experiencing this problem and have a fix? Is it an app I have installed that is making it do this mess?

The logitech keyboard looks cool. Looks a bit bigger than the amazon bluetooth keyboard though. I may look into the amazon one at somepoint. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EOWBKE/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00

I've been using this keyboard to take notes within evernote in lecture based classes and I Iove it! I have a few questions though, in keyboard settings I see auto correct spelling as well as auto capitalization for the keyboard but I cant seem to get the keyboard to do this.
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[REVIEW] Motorola Xoom Bluetooth Keyboard

I just got my Xoom bluetooth keyboard in today for my nook, and I got to say... I couldn't be happier
Typing on this thing is so easy as it is a full size keyboard. The keys are nice and big, but not to big but just the right size. They have a nice spacing and the whole keyboard just seems to flow and it let's your fingerrs move fast across the keys.
It does have it down sides such as: not all the keys seem to work most do without a problem but caps lock does not work, as does the Tab button. Arrow keys work, but they seem to be swithed, the left arrow goes up, the right arrow down, the up arrow left, and the down arrow, right. I assume these keys work on a computer that can make use of a bluetooth keyboard but seeing as my computer does not have such functionailty, I cannot test it out.
Around the edges there is a glossy finish which leads to mucho fingerprints. The keys are matte, so the only time they ever seem to get nasty is when you are really greassy, or you are sweaty.
All in all, I'd have to give this keyboard an 8/10 It would get a 7, but seeing as how I got it from wal-mart for around $10-20 cheaper, it makes it a great deal
P.S. It's not AS sexy as the pictures make it look :/ but its very slim and is still pretty sexy in person
P.S.S The nook box makes a great "dock" when you are at a table at the library
P.S.S.S I just took a typing test on my nook and got 58 words per minute, which is just a little slower than my normal typing speed of 65 on my computers keyboard
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*Sorry if my grammer and punction are off, I did type this all from the keyboard and will edit it when I can get home.
Thanks for letting us know, it sure does look cool
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-XOOM-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Review_id2668
Once HC is released then it will work with the caps and tab buttons
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altimax98 said:
Once HC is released then it will work with the caps and tab buttons
Sent from one of those missing Droids
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Ahhh that does make sense... And I guess that also means if I was using the stock music player the music keys would work. I am using phirmod 5.1 and the music keys don't work, the menu key doesn't work, and the keyboard seems to disconnect... kinda a lot. And I wishI could fix the key mappings on the dpad but I'll get used to it I assume
What app did you use to check your APM?
jinp6301 said:
What app did you use to check your APM?
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I didn't use an app, there is a website called 10speedyfingers, or something, that will let you check you wpm online. Just Google it and you should find it
@DiscoPh3v3r: can you post a photo of nook and keyboard together for size comparison? Thanks.
you beat me on a review by one day! I also got it from wal-mart ship-to-store (expecting to get a text from them any minute saying it's there) and was surprised at the price difference even over Amazon! I figured man this is MADE for android, why not get it? the first BT keyboard I bought I had to take back (from Frys) bcuz not only was it broken, but also it was so small I don't know how they can consider it a full sized keyboard.
I'll be getting mine, as I said, today or tomorrow, so I'll write my thoughts on here as well (as long as the OP doesn't mind).
Quick question, does it come with a case or anything to protect it? If not, I'll be looking for something to do so since I usually carry my nook and such in my backpack...
Ill try to post a picture but camera isn't very good
And it doesnt really come with a case, but it does come with a nice little plastic sleeve it comes wrapped in, sure it will look cheap, but it works great for me.
Hey Disco, got mine today and it works great except for it going to sleep mid typing pretty often, any idea why and how to fix it? This would about ruin it for me if I can't get it fixed...
JLCollier2005 said:
Hey Disco, got mine today and it works great except for it going to sleep mid typing pretty often, any idea why and how to fix it? This would about ruin it for me if I can't get it fixed...
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Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
DiscoPh3v3r said:
Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
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after talking to others, searching around the net, and frustrating attempt at fixes, I found a work-around. Download the app Bluetooth Keyboard JP, change the settings in settings > Language and Keyboard to that app, then connect the keyboard.
I went from a (max) of 45 seconds connected to not getting disconnected after writing a lengthy email, posting to facebook, and letting it sit for 10 minutes. I also didn't get that problem where the keyboard would seem connected, but all of a sudden hit the back button and exit out of the app/screen I was in.
It does have it's issues, though. One being that the faster you type the less responsive it is. I'm a very fast typer and it's hard for me to slow down, but it still was ok. Sometimes it will repeat a keystroke (i.e. we will turn into wwwwwwwwwwwwwwe), and sometimes the special character box will pop up while tying (although I think this, again, had to do with fast typing).
I'm going to try to get in contact with the CM7 devs and see what they think and if there is a fix in the works (or at least point it out to them and tell them about the app). Knowing those guys, they'll probably be able to fix the initial issue and eliminate the other problems with it!
Edit: Oh and with this app I was able to get tab to work on some apps, but not others (seems to work good with mobile websites), the back button works perfectly, as does the home key and search.
DiscoPh3v3r said:
Yup, that was one of my mine gripes. I cant seem to get it to stay connected, I'm hoping it is nook related and not keyboard related, so that it can be fixed with a new nightly. As of late I have not been able to get to stay connected because sometimes it will last about 30minutes and then die, and other times it takes just a second or 2.
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I have a different Bluetooth keyboard and it does the exact same thing on my nook, works fine on my desire. So i do believe that it is nook related and not the keyboard.
I posted in the thread below how to get arrow keys working in landscape mode and menu button to function correctly. I attempted to make other keys work as well. See link. Expand the single post to see additional details given by me in the next post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12918367&postcount=44

Micro-usb keyboard questions

So I was a Messagpad 2100 user, and I have been looking for a device to really replace it since I stopped using it in 2007 (yeah, I know it was canceled 10 years before that -- it was a pretty amazing device though). I think the N7 might finally be the device. Anyway one of the key's to using the Newton was it's case/keyboard setup:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/atow/4314242537/
It was super handy to be able to pop the Newton out for a meeting etc
So, questions:
1. If I were to plug a keyboard into the N7 (possibly using an adapter to go from USB to micro USB), will it work?
2. Does anyone know of a keyboard with a micro USB out? I looked in the most obvious places and couldn't find one.
Yes, I know about BT keyboards (I've been using one and it works), but I want to avoid the charging/battery issue if at all possible.
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Get the logitech bluetooth keyboard for android 3.0+. Given your question you may not realize how much better (and how much lower power consumption) bluetooth is now. You'll get dedicated android keys and won't have to worry about wonky keyboard mapping issues; not to mention the hassle of using a wired setup (can require using an app to set it up each time). Also, you can connect more than one device with bluetooth, so you can have a keyboard and mouse (with the USB you'll be limited to one).
BTW- the wired keyboard will drain the battery on your nexus (not sure how it compares to battery drain from bluetooth though).
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Get the logitech bluetooth keyboard for android 3.0+. Given your question you may not realize how much better (and how much lower power consumption) bluetooth is now. You'll get dedicated android keys and won't have to worry about wonky keyboard mapping issues; not to mention the hassle of using a wired setup (can require using an app to set it up each time). Also, you can connect more than one device with bluetooth, so you can have a keyboard and mouse (with the USB you'll be limited to one).
BTW- the wired keyboard will drain the battery on your nexus (not sure how it compares to battery drain from bluetooth though).
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I've used a couple different wired keyboards with no need for a OTG adapter. Didn't check for battery usage, but I did notice that both wires were very thin and susceptible to break. For that reason only, my next keyboard will be a bluetooth.
Wireless vs. wired keyboard and battery life
slack04 said:
Get the logitech bluetooth keyboard for android 3.0+. Given your question you may not realize how much better (and how much lower power consumption) bluetooth is now. You'll get dedicated android keys and won't have to worry about wonky keyboard mapping issues; not to mention the hassle of using a wired setup (can require using an app to set it up each time). Also, you can connect more than one device with bluetooth, so you can have a keyboard and mouse (with the USB you'll be limited to one).
BTW- the wired keyboard will drain the battery on your nexus (not sure how it compares to battery drain from bluetooth though).
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I prefer my wired, USB, mobile keyboard over my Bluetooth wireless keyboard because of the wired keyboard's size and layout. However, I want to maximize the battery life on my Nexus 7.
The posts in this forum seem to be inconclusive. So, does anyone have a solid answer as to whether a wired, or a wireless Bluetooth, keyboard is best for the Nexus 7's battery life?
Thanks!
Chaps, thinking out the box but can you get a USB keyboard WITH a battery built in to help power the device..
ccinco said:
I prefer my wired, USB, mobile keyboard over my Bluetooth wireless keyboard because of the wired keyboard's size and layout. However, I want to maximize the battery life on my Nexus 7.
The posts in this forum seem to be inconclusive. So, does anyone have a solid answer as to whether a wired, or a wireless Bluetooth, keyboard is best for the Nexus 7's battery life?
Thanks!
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I would expect the Bluetooth keyboard would use no more power than the USB keyboard, as the keyboard would draw power from the USB to drive it's electronics, whereas the Bluetooth keyboard would have a battery. I would prefer not use a USB keyboard as I wouldn't like to damage the USB port if I bumped the OTG adapter - there have been reports of port damage from simple knocks and drops.
I just bought the Motorola keyboard with trackpad for $29 (woot), and expect it to turn up any day now. I previously used the older Motorola bluetooth keyboard with the N7, but sold it with my old Acer A500 before I realized I'd prefer a keyboard with my N7...
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Wireless-Keyboard-Trackpad-Packaging/dp/B006291K7A
I am back to trying to find a solution for this. I'm not opposed to a BT keyboard, if I could find that's small enough without being too small. Most these days seem designed to work with an iPad, and tend to be 13" long or so -- too big. I'm hunting for something not much larger (so 9" or less than the N7 but also not utter crap. I suspect that when the 7" ipad finally is released, we'll see a bunch of design smarts applied to this.
I've been using a Stowaway BT keyboard I bought years ago for my Windows Mobile 5 phone. I still think it's the best portable keyboard.
http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE
It's an aluminum clamshell design that locks opens into a 4-row keyboard with full-size keys. They feel like my laptop's keys, and have just enough resistance to let you know they've been pressed. Two function keys give you access to the full 101-key character set. There are other functions like "save" and "new", but they don't appear to work because under Android. There's also a built-in stand that seems flimsy at first, but has no problem holding the N7 in either orientation. However, this keyboard does NOT like your lap. It must be used on a stable, flat surface. Even though it does lock open, there's enough "spring" due to the thinness of the keyboard that typing is difficult.
The Stowaway is pricey - around $70, although you can find them discounted to $50 if you shop around. Maybe some of the cheaper clamshell designs may work as well. YMMV. My co-worker bought 3 different keyboards that were just unusable. #1 had "clicky" keys - impossible to touch type on. #2 had those rubbery "chiclet" keys - again, impossible to accurately touch type on. #3 was OK to type on - if you had little pixie fingers. The key spacing was only 3/4 of the norm.
That is *exactly* what I'm looking for -- the thinkoutside keyboards were awesome. That someone isn't making something like this now boggles the mind, but I guess there isn't really a market for these when the device most likely used with it these days (ipad) is much larger. I'll bet we see more of these when the smaller ipad is on the market.
Can anyone here can comment in new feed of Facebook with extended keyboard. I had used logitech keyboard, can comment in wall, chat, but can't comment in new feed
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New hk8037 bluetooth keyboard by esource

Just wanted to let folks know about my experiences with a new bluetooth keyboard by esource. I had been looking for one for occasional use with my nook hd+ running CM 10.1. I saw this keyboard yesterday at Big Lots for only $25 and decided to take a chance on it. It's available for even less on eBay, but I figured if it didn't work then the returns would be much less hassle at a brick&mortar store. As it turns out, my fears of having to return it were unfounded. The keyboard pairs just fine with my nook, and so far it's working great! It appears to be designed for use with Apple products, but it works just fine with Android. Most of the function keys don't apply, but F3 does call up search, and the "rounded square" key to the left of F1 calls up the list of running apps. This keyboard along with a bluetooth mouse opens up lots of options for me with my tablet. With my $12 360 case (also eBay) to prop up the tablet in landscape or portrait mode, it makes for an acceptable laptop substitute
p.s. As the device that I got came with *no* documentation whatsoever, I would point out that to pair the device you have to press a small button on the back of the keyboard labeled "connect".
CM 10.1?
10.1.3
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Idea: Build a USB OTG keyboard slider for MOTO X/G or Droid Maxx/Ultra

So I have a crazy idea. I want to build my own QWERTY phone.
I'm not willing to give up on QWERTY phones and I really wish Motorola would build us a Droid 5 but it doesn't seem to be happening.
I recently got a Moto G but my idea should work on all devices that support USB OTG which includes Moto X/G and Droid Maxx/Ultra.
My vision:
Take an old Motorola Droid 3 and tear out the keyboard
Convert the Droid 3 keyboard into a usb keyboard
Connect the usb Droid 3 keyboard to the Moto G via USB otg
Reduce the size of the USB otg connection
Build a case/frame slider for the phone and keyboard
Extra crazy bonus would be to add a usb battery pack behind the keyboard and a switch to go between charging the phone and keyboard use.
The largest challenges will be step 2, 4, and 5.
Step 2 will require me to confirm if the Droid 3 keyboard can be reused and re-purposed into a USB keyboard. Understanding how the hardware works is also a challenge.
Step 4 will require me to convert the USB otg cable into a ribbon (probably not too hard)
Step 5 will require me to 3d print the casing and source a slider mechanism. I may be able to reuse the Droid 3 slider mechanism.
Now craziness aside, who thinks this is possible? Who also has experience/background in how USB keyboards work and can help me?
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So I have a crazy idea. I want to build my own QWERTY phone.
I'm not willing to give up on QWERTY phones and I really wish Motorola would build us a Droid 5 but it doesn't seem to be happening.
I recently got a Moto G but my idea should work on all devices that support USB OTG which includes Moto X/G and Droid Maxx/Ultra.
My vision:
Take an old Motorola Droid 3 and tear out the keyboard
Convert the Droid 3 keyboard into a usb keyboard
Connect the usb Droid 3 keyboard to the Moto G via USB otg
Reduce the size of the USB otg connection
Build a case/frame slider for the phone and keyboard
Extra crazy bonus would be to add a usb battery pack behind the keyboard and a switch to go between charging the phone and keyboard use.
The largest challenges will be step 2, 4, and 5.
Step 2 will require me to confirm if the Droid 3 keyboard can be reused and re-purposed into a USB keyboard. Understanding how the hardware works is also a challenge.
Step 4 will require me to convert the USB otg cable into a ribbon (probably not too hard)
Step 5 will require me to 3d print the casing and source a slider mechanism. I may be able to reuse the Droid 3 slider mechanism.
Now craziness aside, who thinks this is possible? Who also has experience/background in how USB keyboards work and can help me?
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I think the key thing, before you head down this road, is to check the experience that you would get assuming you could get it to work.
What happens when you plug a keyboard in? Does it shut off the on-screen keyboard nicely? Does it put it into landscape mode? If not, then the act of "sliding" the keyboard isn't going to be much like it is on the Droid 3/4. As far as ripping the keyboard off the Droid 3, I'd be tempted to try the 4 instead - the Droid 3 keyboard is notorious for having de-bounce/response issues, especially as it gets older.
If you could get it all to work, it's certainly the sort of accessory that would interest me - I'm really surprised that the manufacturers haven't tried this sort of thing, and allowed the back of a phone to be replaced with a sliding mechanism that has contacts inside for a QWERTY keyboard. It would seem pretty straightforward, so I'm guessing they think there simply isn't the demand for it.
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I think the key thing, before you head down this road, is to check the experience that you would get assuming you could get it to work.
What happens when you plug a keyboard in? Does it shut off the on-screen keyboard nicely? Does it put it into landscape mode? If not, then the act of "sliding" the keyboard isn't going to be much like it is on the Droid 3/4. As far as ripping the keyboard off the Droid 3, I'd be tempted to try the 4 instead - the Droid 3 keyboard is notorious for having de-bounce/response issues, especially as it gets older.
If you could get it all to work, it's certainly the sort of accessory that would interest me - I'm really surprised that the manufacturers haven't tried this sort of thing, and allowed the back of a phone to be replaced with a sliding mechanism that has contacts inside for a QWERTY keyboard. It would seem pretty straightforward, so I'm guessing they think there simply isn't the demand for it.
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I hate to see our Droid 4 die out and come to end. I wish phone companies would still keep alive the QWERTY keyboard with new the Samsung GS5 or LG G3. Still make sense to have a physical keyboard as most computers do. A simple add on would be awsome to add to these newer phones. Still have my fingers crossed about Droid 5 or something close to it. Nice to have dreams :fingers-crossed:
WickedWayz said:
I hate to see our Droid 4 die out and come to end. I wish phone companies would still keep alive the QWERTY keyboard with new the Samsung GS5 or LG G3. Still make sense to have a physical keyboard as most computers do. A simple add on would be awsome to add to these newer phones. Still have my fingers crossed about Droid 5 or something close to it. Nice to have dreams :fingers-crossed:
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Agreed, I think phone companies are failing to recognize a niche market that has a tremendous amount of opportunity.
There is a market opportunity in the business sector and they just don't see it. That or they're afraid to risk it.
Personally, I miss the accuracy of QWERTY keyboard, the screen real estate lost when typing, remote desktop, SSH with my rasberry pi, the ease of work emails.
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As far as ripping the keyboard off the Droid 3, I'd be tempted to try the 4 instead - the Droid 3 keyboard is notorious for having de-bounce/response issues, especially as it gets older.
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The Keyboard from a Psion 5MX would be even better... ohhhh imagine a modern smart phone in a 5mx case! doh would have to be open when you answered a call...
I think this is a great idea. If they can produce a bluetooth case / keyboard slider for S3s and 4s then why cant you do this?!
Although maybe that might be easier thinking about it... changing a bluetooth slider case to usb? That way the tricky slider mechanism is done for you already...
I've been giving this some more thought...
Surely you (we) can take a bluetooth slide case keyboard, swap the bluetooth module for a usb output, add a usb splitter and then hardwire it to the phone?!
Evidently there's a battery and even some spare space in the slide out keyboard so it could even extend battery life too...
Sounds a bit like this project
This is a thread about a self builded qwerty other half (Jolla-Phone). Maybe you can get there some ideas.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1378929
100 pieces produced, 100 Dollar per piece.
No need to complicate your life with an USB keyboard
An Iphone sliding bt keyboard, the right sized android phone, some tasker rules and a bit of fantasy are more than enough to build your own qwerty phone, in half an hour or so.
This is what I did more than one year ago, when I had to use a dual sim phone.
For the record the phone was an Alcatel One Touch Star
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No need to complicate your life with an USB keyboard
An Iphone sliding bt keyboard, the right sized android phone, some tasker rules and a bit of fantasy are more than enough to build your own qwerty phone, in half an hour or so.
This is what I did more than one year ago, when I had to use a dual sim phone.
For the record the phone was an Alcatel One Touch Star
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But then you need to have BT on all the time and even with some extra battery power hidden away in the keyboard that'd be a power killer no?
Or am I looking at this all wrong? Should we just be taking a BT slider case and adding more battery life?! I mean it'd be pretty cool to have a phone where you could leave BT on at all times and still have power at the end of the day...
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But then you need to have BT on all the time and even with some extra battery power hidden away in the keyboard that'd be a power killer no?
Or am I looking at this all wrong? Should we just be taking a BT slider case and adding more battery life?! I mean it'd be pretty cool to have a phone where you could leave BT on at all times and still have power at the end of the day...
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Odd - I do have BT on all the time, and have power at the end of the day. BT is never at the top of the usage list for me.
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But then you need to have BT on all the time and even with some extra battery power hidden away in the keyboard that'd be a power killer no?
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BT is almost unnoticeable on the battery economy of a big sized android phone.
A keyboard does way less traffic than a BT headset, so way less battery consumption.
Th BT keyboard goes automagically in sleep mode when it's closed.
And, if you are picky, you can turn OFF the BT on the phone with a simple Tasker rule. (tasker is needed anyway to automate the screen rotation, the screen unlock when the keyboard is slided out and so).
If the above is not enough for you, I must add that the keyboard backlight, unlike a native one, is powered by its own battery.
So, the short answer to the question is absolutely not.
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A keyboard does way less traffic than a BT headset, so way less battery consumption.
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Now that I did not know. Every day is a school day...
I modded iPhone 6 bluetooth keyboard case to Xiaomi Mi4C. It was pretty easy job. I am using that as a daily driver now. If you are interested take a look from here: Qwerty Keyboard Slider [DIY]
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The Keyboard from a Psion 5MX would be even better... ohhhh imagine a modern smart phone in a 5mx case! doh would have to be open when you answered a call...
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I would buy it at once, honestly. I loved my Psion 5 MX.

[Found] Good and cheap physical keyboard + trackpad

I wanted to control my computer from the couch, and just having a wireless mouse wasn't doing it for me. I have a Bluetooth keyboard, and it's okay, but it disconnects when it wants to and is generally unreliable. So I'm doing a computer upgrade, and I got well under budget, so I decided I'd toss a wireless keyboard into the mix. I didn't intend to get one with a track pad, but for the price, I figured why not. Amazon link — no referral codes
It's pretty good with my computer, but I took out my USB On-the-Go cable... and hey, it works with my phone as well. Track pad works like a mouse. The keyboard works great. That Bluetooth keyboard would get keys mixed up. I don't know if Bluetooth can only transmit so much at a time, but I type around 60WPM on average, I think, and that's not astronomically high (I believe secretaries/receptionists are expected to do 100WPM, and many do a lot more) but it's respectable. And when I type on the Bluetooth keyboard, my letters often arrive on the screen out of order. Once I realized there was nothing I could do but type slower, I just quit using it. This doesn't have that problem. I opened Google Docs, opened a new document, and just started brainstorming at it, and all the text came through right, up to my top speed.
The keyboard has a Home button which shows the desktop in Windows (may open home screen in the browser), and it works like a Home button in Android. I have a Play/Pause button, and Android asked me which media player I should use. F3 is Search on computers, and it opened Search on Android (not full-on Google Now, just the search). On the Bluetooth keyboard, CTRL+ALT+DELETE rebooted the phone with neither prompt nor warning. Didn't try it on the keyboard. Also haven't tried gestures (pinch, rotate, etc.). I'm not sure Android has multitouch trackpad support, as opposed to regular trackpad where it's just like a mouse.
Anyway, it's a good keyboard, it has a trackpad, and it's $25 shipped. Well, the shipping is free if you have Prime, which we do. You'll need a USB On-the-Go cable (here's Amazon's #1 best-selling USB OTG cable). And, if you need a push to get over $35, why not get a 2A charger, a screen protector, or a case? Preferably, a case with a stand, because if you're going to be doing a lot of typing, you'll probably want to prop your phone up. (I use a FlyGrip for that, but a FlyGrip is $40, though if you search Amazon for "FlyGrip," they have a ton of knockoffs.)
If you were ever unsure of the idea of a smartphone as a notebook replacement, using a physical keyboard to type an email or a document, edit a spreadsheet, or type out a document (oh, wouldn't it be neat if I said I typed all this on that keyboard, but alas, I haven't got it with me — though, I am considering buying a second one to carry with me on the road) might push you over the fence.
I just put this keyboard in my cart the other day. My mind is made up now.
The K400 is a great and durable keyboard. Had mine about a year keep one in the road bag and one at home. Highly recommended. I disable most of the multi features when using on Windows

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