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Well here is the deal. I have T-mobile, and I just moved. T-mobile has no coverage at my new home. Awesome! So since I have a data plan I began to do some research for alternatives. Here is my question:
Is it possible to make the herald/wing UMA capable? Thus making it able to connect to my home WiFi router and make and receive calls. Has anyone done this? If so please help.
Nope, its hardware not software. So you are going to have to get a new phone. Sorry
damn it, i figured it was hardware too.
I talked the a tmobile rep in the pda tech support, and he said that even though they do not support it, he was confident that UMA on the Wing has and could be done. he assured me that a "google search" would yield helpful results, but that altering my phone would void my warranty .... blah blah i know all this.
why would he say that? maybe he just wanted me off his back about it.
i also read that altering the radio on the rom (not via hardware) could allow UMA. am i **** out of luck?
Either that guy was a complete idiot or was just trying to get you off the phone. To make it UMA you would have to pretty much build a whole new phone and make software to support it.
UMA requires a different type of hardware, it's not just a software fix. And unfortunatly uma selection sucks right now. I've been using a blackberry curve as my home line and my wing as my "cell" phone. If you look around it's possiable to pick up a curve for 50 bucks through adding a line to a family plan
try skype
I ran Skype on my Wing for a while and connected it through my wireless router at home. Processor is slow, so calls can be a bit dicey, but it worked. Not the same as UMA, but a wireless calling alternative, nonetheless.
If you think this is a fraud, please don't read any further. If you're an admin and think this is inappropriate, please delete this post. I just want to share my finding.
This may help you guys to get free trial for Sirius and XM radio for a while.
1- use this legally link to create a new email path for your real email.
2- Then use this new email address to register for your free account (3 days on Sirius and 7 days on XM radio).
3- You shouldn't abuse it too much, according to the rule, you can only create 1 account per email address
I don't think this is illegal, or considering as crack or hack... since they offered it to people who has an email address
So that you know, I did subscribe for a full year package on Sirius, but it's just damn too expensive it's like getting another cellphone plan.
Why XM radio so expensive? more than $17/month. I paid $150/year.
PS: get your Sirius and XM radio player here
nice found this would probably be useful for pandora too
Keland44 said:
nice found this would probably be useful for pandora too
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Is there a free soft for Pandora on the Fuze?
well see in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407305&highlight=pandora they offer a cab from the incite for pandora which does work but it has you register with your email and it gives you a one day trial but using that jetable site you can probably give yourself a couple of days worth of use oh i forgot to mention that i think the cab will only work for ATT
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well see in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407305&highlight=pandora they offer a cab from the incite for pandora which does work but it has you register with your email and it gives you a one day trial but using that jetable site you can probably give yourself a couple of days worth of use oh i forgot to mention that i think the cab will only work for ATT
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Pandora doesn't let Canadian User to register anyway...
I use audio scrobbler/lastfm windows mobile client. Crappy interface but nice Pandora like song selection
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
pandaboyy said:
If you think this is a fraud, please don't read any further. If you're an admin and think this is inappropriate, please delete this post. I just want to share my finding.
This may help you guys to get free trial for Sirius and XM radio for a while.
1- use this legally link to create a new email path for your real email.
2- Then use this new email address to register for your free account (3 days on Sirius and 7 days on XM radio).
3- You shouldn't abuse it too much, according to the rule, you can only create 1 account per email address
I don't think this is illegal, or considering as crack or hack... since they offered it to people who has an email address
So that you know, I did subscribe for a full year package on Sirius, but it's just damn too expensive it's like getting another cellphone plan.
Why XM radio so expensive? more than $17/month. I paid $150/year.
PS: get your Sirius and XM radio player here
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Free Sirius Lifetime 2.0
mchaos said:
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
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There is an even better way.
1. Get a Radio (I got one cheap at a garage sale)
2. Pay for the ongoing monthly plan (approx. $15 per month + $15 activation)
3. Activate and listen for awhile
4. Once you know your radio is activated and working, turn it off and disconnect the antenna
5. Cancel the subscription, act as if the radio was broken AND/OR you are moving to an area with NO SERVICE. This will keep them from constantly annoying you with offers..
6. Wait approx. 3 months. I personally waited exactly 4 months + 1 day to be safe, but many other people have waited less.
7. Finally, turn on the radio and enjoy free (super-cheap) lifetime subscription
For those worried about wasting ~$40, Sirius regularly will try to give you discounted plans once you "quit". For example, I could have gotten 6 legitimate months for $20 AND free activation. In other words, if it doesn't work for you, you still have a good plan to go off of. For those trying this out, please post success stories regarding the time waited and other factors. Thanks and good luck!
Dreadhawk177 said:
There is an even better way.
For those worried about wasting ~$40, Sirius regularly will try to give you discounted plans once you "quit". For example, I could have gotten 6 legitimate months for $20 AND free activation. In other words, if it doesn't work for you, you still have a good plan to go off of. For those trying this out, please post success stories regarding the time waited and other factors. Thanks and good luck!
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Does this also work for traffic subscription? Does this method keep this active?
On Cars and Traffic
Taboltini said:
Does this also work for traffic subscription? Does this method keep this active?
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As far as I know, yes. Essentially, all the data is being sent everywhere by 3-4 satellites. Everyone gets these signals, but your sirius device must be activated via code sent in through the satellites. Once you cancel your subscription or it otherwise runs out, the satellites send a "kill signal" along with the music and other data. If your particular radio is listening, it will read that signal and deactivate. I'm not 100% sure how doing this method with in-car devices would be different, but I'd imagine that you'd need to just cut the antenna and/or keep your actual radio powered off. I know that somebody put their motorcycle in a big garage over the winter and their subscription was canceled, and when he turned it on next spring everything worked. In short, unless the traffic costs extra or is something entirely separate, you would be fine. Good luck!
As far as I know, the method hasn't been extensively tested on in-car radios and such. I am not 100% sure cutting power to the radio would be enough to prevent the signal from killing your radio's subscription. Cutting the antenna should work, though. Please test in the future.:fingers-crossed:
But... is it possible to record and to emulate SXM activation signal?
Taboltini said:
But... is it possible to record and to emulate SXM activation signal?
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Technically, yes. You would probably need a software defined radio though, and there might be a problem if they cryptographically secure the activation using something time sensitive or one-time as to prevent replay attacks. What I would be interested in is a way to open the device and make it ignore all activation signals and think it's activated no matter what.
By the way, I'm gonna try this with the OnyX EZ that came free with our car subscription. I know there used to be XM and Sirius, so I'm not entirely sure if it will work with mine because most posts are like 2010, but I'll report back. Mine is SiriusXM. I will get the all access for a couple weeks, make sure it all works, unplug power and antenna, cancel saying it broke, wait ~5-6 months to be safe, and hopefully remember to report back here.
My only concern is that by now they broadcast a max length with activation, and the devices handle their own deactivation as well.
I have a 3 month all access to sirius xm that came qith my new vehicle. I like it but the monthly subscription is a killer. I only ever laiten to radio when Im in my car, which is only about 30 minutes a day. I also want to keep the subscription but they charge you arm and leg. Is the signal specific to the antenna. Can I change the antenna and just use normal radio sstations for a few months and reconnect the antenna after maybe 3 months? Has anyone tried this?
mchaos said:
This is pure silliness. You can get Free sirius radio on an actual sirius radio pretty easy if you are patient. Here is how to do it.
First some background.
The way the sirius, and xm for that matter work is, a signal is sent from the satellites telling it to activate, and what channels it can have. There is no way for the radio to communicate to the satellites, or to sirius or xm at all. The providers have to send a signal which turns if off after deactivation. If the radio never gets this signal, it will not deactivate.
Now, how long will they keep sending the deactivate signal. I'm not sure. Some say 3 months. but there is no way to actually know for sure without talking to them. It takes months. I also have a trick that will make sure you will get this to work.
Get sirius, and pay for service. You have to be out of trial. Or if you have sirius already...
Turn off the radio, disconnect the antenna.
Do not trun it on or connect antenna at ALL!
Call sirius and tell them your radio Broke. This is improtant, If the radio is broke, why keep sending a signal to it?
You will either have to purchase a new radio, or talk them into a free one. Most cases you will get a discount if you tell them you will cancel your subscription.
Once the new radio comes, Put it in your car, and activate it.
Take the old radio, keep it in the base and keep power to it, so it does not loose memory. The memory will keep for some time, but it will die at some point requiring reactivation.
No listen to your sirius, and keep paying for a bit.
wait 6 months, a year is safer.
Hook your disconnected radio back up to antenna and turn it on.
HOLY SMOKES ITS STILL ACTIVATED!!!!
Yes, this works. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Will just rock out for free and you wont.
How did I find this out? I had a radio where the antenna broke while active. I called up sirius and told them my radio didn't work any more and I wanted to cancel because I was not gonna spend any money on a new radio. They sold me one for $15 and credited me a few months, which took care of the cost of the radio and then some. I didn't think anything of this. Had that radio sitting on the shelf for a long time. Almost 2 years. Yes the memory held, but I wouldn't take a chance doing it a second time. About 6 months ago I put the radio in a base to see if it sill worked and to my surprise it was still activated. I did the math and figured how it worked. Still going free.
Do I feel bad about this? NO. Why? Because I still pay for sirius. I have 2 other vehicles I pay for. I use the free on in the house. I used to just take the receiver in every day because I have a base hooked to my stereo.
I can only listen to one at a time. So if I switch from one to the other, whats the difference. Anyway, whatever.:silly:
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This trick works ?
gendarky said:
This trick works ?
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Works like a charm. Disconnected old radios and deactivated them, a long time later, plugged them in, and they both worked.
wonder about the "never turn it off" theory?
First, I'm glad to see all these confirmations. I've been following threads like this for a while and hope it works, because I may need it soon. I'm on a fixed income now and can't afford the monthly charge, but like some of you i discovered that if you call and persist in requesting cancellation, they do offer some reasonable and affordable packages, around $20 for 5 or 6 months depending on whether you want sports packages or something. Especially if you've been a customer for a while. But last time I did this was around April of this year (2016) and they warned me that all their rates are going up around October, which is right around the time my 6 months expire. So if they have no more good final offers, I'll have to try turning the radio off for several months and cancelling.
I have a question though. I had also heard that these radios only "listen" for the authorization signals when they first power up. I guess that's possible, but I've never seen a confirmation. If its true, it wouldn't be a big deal for me to hook up my home base unit to an UPS, and leave it on all the time, or even wire it into an 'always on" power source in the car (doubt it would run the battery down). But I've never seen this theory confirmed. Any thoughts?
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First, I'm glad to see all these confirmations. I've been following threads like this for a while and hope it works, because I may need it soon. I'm on a fixed income now and can't afford the monthly charge, but like some of you i discovered that if you call and persist in requesting cancellation, they do offer some reasonable and affordable packages, around $20 for 5 or 6 months depending on whether you want sports packages or something. Especially if you've been a customer for a while. But last time I did this was around April of this year (2016) and they warned me that all their rates are going up around October, which is right around the time my 6 months expire. So if they have no more good final offers, I'll have to try turning the radio off for several months and cancelling.
I have a question though. I had also heard that these radios only "listen" for the authorization signals when they first power up. I guess that's possible, but I've never seen a confirmation. If its true, it wouldn't be a big deal for me to hook up my home base unit to an UPS, and leave it on all the time, or even wire it into an 'always on" power source in the car (doubt it would run the battery down). But I've never seen this theory confirmed. Any thoughts?
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I doubt it works reliably long term, I had a receiver last a few months after being disconnected (it was my summer car off the road, so it was a combination of events).
But sirius runs free trials a few times during the year where they activate ALL deactivated receivers as bait for old customers and off trial new vehicles. A week after the trial is over they shut down the entire list of inactive receivers (including your disconnected esn). So you would have to know when these trials occur because once they end your esn will be on the black list to get shut down.
The only theory that should work is to go after the onboard memory chip within the receiver, basically prevent it from erasing its channel lineup. A guy mentioned it on a different forum but no one has been able to confirm which pins on the sdrom chip needs to be grounded to prevent channel list erasing (its receiver specific). In principle this method would work flawlessly and the only downside would be being stuck with the same channels even if siriusxm updates their channel line up, you would still get the old channel lists but at least they would work. Each esn has an encryption key that gets renewed every so often and if that does not match up, it will once again fail to receive channels so its a shot in the dark but may be neat to look into as a mod hobby.
Personally I wouldnt bother with the disconnect trick, hunt for trials and enjoy the discounted rates, then ask them for another 6 months, or disconnect it for a while and try again for a trial. But they have the system pretty well figured out, after all its their business to ensure non paying radios are cut off. The worst part of it is having to pay for multiple vehicles, I can only drive one car at a time yet each one needs a separate unit, kind of silly on their part not to have a reduced rate for a 2nd/3rd receiver on the same account.
Maybe some experts can chime on how a 54 pin synchronous DRAM chip works.
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I doubt it works reliably long term, I had a receiver last a few months after being disconnected (it was my summer car off the road, so it was a combination of events).
But sirius runs free trials a few times during the year where they activate ALL deactivated receivers as bait for old customers and off trial new vehicles. A week after the trial is over they shut down the entire list of inactive receivers (including your disconnected esn). So you would have to know when these trials occur because once they end your esn will be on the black list to get shut down.
The only theory that should work is to go after the onboard memory chip within the receiver, basically prevent it from erasing its channel lineup. A guy mentioned it on a different forum but no one has been able to confirm which pins on the sdrom chip needs to be grounded to prevent channel list erasing (its receiver specific). In principle this method would work flawlessly and the only downside would be being stuck with the same channels even if siriusxm updates their channel line up, you would still get the old channel lists but at least they would work. Each esn has an encryption key that gets renewed every so often and if that does not match up, it will once again fail to receive channels so its a shot in the dark but may be neat to look into as a mod hobby.
Personally I wouldnt bother with the disconnect trick, hunt for trials and enjoy the discounted rates, then ask them for another 6 months, or disconnect it for a while and try again for a trial. But they have the system pretty well figured out, after all its their business to ensure non paying radios are cut off. The worst part of it is having to pay for multiple vehicles, I can only drive one car at a time yet each one needs a separate unit, kind of silly on their part not to have a reduced rate for a 2nd/3rd receiver on the same account.
Maybe some experts can chime on how a 54 pin synchronous DRAM chip works.
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Hmmm... everything you're saying makes sense, but so many have verified that they had continuous use after leaving the radio disconnected for a good while, I can't help wondering if your theory is missing something. Interesting idea about the memory though. I'm pretty proficient in electronics, and it sounds like an interesting "rainy day" project. I'd imagine though that a unless an XM-Radio receiver is a standard module, distributed only by Serius and incorporated into everything from ONYX dash mount radios to all inclusive GPS and Radio systems supplied by auto manufactures, every implementation will be different. In fact, based on a lot of system on chip (SOIC) packages I've dealt with, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of radios don't even have a separate memory chip. Lots of these ICs have Ram and flash storage sufficient for a lot of programming tasks built right into the same chip with the CPU, so you couldn't get to it. Besides, if anything authorization parameters would be stored in a FLASH rather than DRAM memory, or they would all be lost when power is dropped.
I do agree... and I have in fact had little trouble requesting a more affordable package from Sirius, at least so far. But if they ever stop offering it, I might as well be equipped to give my best shot to finding a way around it. Its true, as you say, that they have to try to prevent freeloaders to make money. But like everything else, there is an 80/20 rule in place. In this case it means that 80% of the freeloaders can be eliminated with 20% of the work, but blocking that last 20% will require 80% more effort on their part. for most companies, the payoff for stopping that minority is not worth the effort. In fact, their offer of reduced fees is probably a major reason you don't see much a black market for permanently "enabled" radios.
Just tried this and it works, couldn't believe it. Unsubscribed about 3 months ago and it fully updated all of my channels upon power on, plus the trial is only so many channels and with the trial it will flash there subscription number on the screen.
New radios do not do this. Modern XM radios need a reactivation signal once in a while. MY older Sirius radios are still active and running, but the 2 years old XM radio that was activated but not on when the kill signal was sent...... 2 years later I powered it up and it went to update the channel list and popped up "No activation" after it was playing howard stern for 3 minutes. I was expecting them to fix this hole and it looks like the more modern radios do.
Does anyone know of any IAX2 Client VOIP software for the Dream Google G1
IAX2 Cuts through the firewalls just like skype does so its reliably easy for when you are on the go to be able to connect with less hassle (unlike SIP mucking around with forward ports)
Could I not port some sort of IAX2 client from some Linux project or has someone already done this?
I am on the road allot and encounter many different types of wifi networks. I carry a laptop now with a headset and connect where ever I can to check messages and make calls sometimes even receive some. I love the fact that my small business runs asterisks allowing me to use many different voip providers (that use sip or IAX2) I have 2 numbers in bound giving me 4 different channels of call into a cheap $12 a month professional phone system. I even recently been using a provider that gives me $0.00348 cents a min for Canadian outbound.
(I scoured the threads for keywords like trixbox, asterisks, IAX, IAX2, Elastics, freepbx and was unable to find any serious discussion on this)
Why do you need to forward ports for SIP? Just keep a connection open to the SIP server and it will signal you there.
I use to spend most of my free time in my car trying to get a open connection then attempting to get my sip client to connect to my home server. A pain in the butt. When it worked its nice to get your voicemails and heck catch a call once in a while pickup a job on the run. Even make all your calls if you got a clear enough connection.
Seems they make it easy to connect to your sip provider but when it comes to your own asterisk server at home you have to fight with the provider. Sympatic o seems to block the rtp ports or disrupt the communication in some way allowing only the sip 5060 ports to connect make the phone ring but not let you talk. they play all sorts of games. It worked fine up to march 2008 when all thr providers (big boys Rogers Sympatico) Upgraded to the world of packet level control. Things got fun from there. All home extension to business PBX's I setup for clients stopped working with no changes. (all sorts of different providers spead out around ontario)
I was one of the few voip asterisk consultants till voip started to take off
Does not matter if you manage to prove it and make it past the supastars ( ISP tech the PBX is on or client is connected with)to someone who actually has some control or packet level understanding to clear you a route to your home box. Unless you pay for static ip your ip will change (bell charges a ransom for a static ip) I also noticed if you setup a pbx in a major data center they seem to have a clear route. but anything DSL or Business Cable type connection there is something wrong .that use to work for 2 years prior.
Not to mention what ever router you seem to connect with might not pass things proper .
IAX2 is a dream come true it is supported by many providers and cuts through all the mess of games and such using only one port thats not tcp but udp and slices through your average router and provider with no hassle just like skype but with the freedom of your own setup. the jitter controls work wounders compared to SIP giving you a better voip experience when your wireless.
skype is very limited and very controlled when it comes to receiving calls and sending them especially when you travel.
I am not here to argue with anyone over the finer points of the more common sip. but unless I run a vpn (using sip) IAX2 is the simplest breath of fresh air in the world of voip especially if your savvy enough to build your own asterisk server and would like to take advantage of all sorts of voip providers in one box. Or heck hook one of your clients up hassle free to his Business/home phone system you setup for them.
I really just want to know if anyone has a decent IAX2 client for the G1
If you want to argue VOIP head over to voip-info.org [remove this space] /wiki/view/IAX
so i guess no software for iax2 clients.
Any ware I can pay someone to write one?
Nice found a project...
thought I would update anyone who is interested!
code.google.com/p/androvoip/wiki/Roadmap
I would be interested in such a software. However this project doesn't look very active at the moment.
warenlikesfreedom said:
so i guess no software for iax2 clients.
Any ware I can pay someone to write one?
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Have you tried Zoiper? it supports both of SIP & IAX2 .... wwwDOTzoiperDOTcom
I'm running chromatic and as of 3 this morning tmobile is blocking my tether. Has this happened to anyone else yet? They want to upsell me to add tethering for 15 more a month and it still has the 5gb cap (Total BS) The built in wired tether and pdanet both aren't working, don't know about wifi tether yet but I'm assuming its blocked too. I found some posts by some g2 users this has happened to. Any one else? I'm glad im paying $30 for "unlimited" data. Aholes.
Thanks!
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Wireless tether aka wifi tether for rooted phones from code.google.com should still work. I've seen other reports of such blocks with market programs.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
They popped me last night. G1 rooted running wifi tether for root users and pdanet. This sucks REALLY bad.
im using tether now to be on xda and facebook. im in new mexico and the only message ive gotten from tmoblie was there were slowing my download speeds for hitting my cap with unlimited data plan lol.
I have a rooted G1, and I usually use wifi-tether or Barnacle. Tried PDANet as well.
I've received 8 text-messages from Tmobile regarding my tethering being blocked. Odd thing was, I was streaming pandora-radio on the phone during a long car drive (~5 hours) while these things beeped away at me. I had tethered earlier for a few minutes to check my gmail.
Later when I tried to tether to check my email, any http requests direct me to an upsell message. However, Remote-desktop still works, FTP still works, and most everything except plain webpages work. Tmobile is asking $15/mo for 200MB of data, with $0.10/MB overage charges ontop of your 10GB "unlimited" plan.
I'm unsure of how they detect tethering. It seems to be based off of bandwidth usage, as there's no way for them to discern whether this is phone traffic or laptop traffic. The other thing that could be a possible giveaway is the number of connections that are open. I'd imagine the laptop has a few things open for windows update, msn messenger and who knows what, whereas the phone has Browser and Lattitude.
Regardless, this is balls.
user agent string
If they are blocking web browser traffic, but not other TCP/IP services like FTP or remote desktop, there's a chance they are fingerprinting non-phone web requests by looking at the user agent string. An interesting test would be whether or not you're able to still make HTTPS-only requests with the web browser on your desktop or laptop. It would take some evil hackery for them to be able to retrieve the user agent string from an HTTPS request.
See 14.43 of the HTTP 1.1 spec for a description of the user agent string.
Got around it by setting up an openvpn on cyanogen 6.1.0. Even if im not using tethering, im still gonna use openvpn for my data traffic, as they are probably using deep packet inspection, which means we no longer have any privacy on tmobiles network.
Im thinking about changing the default port to 443 so as far as they are concerned, im just browsing ssl sites on my phone (port 443 is the default ssl port for web browsing and openvpn uses ssl for encryption).
If you use this method, just be sure to reset you dns to to googles (8.8.8.8) otherwise they can still tell whether or not your tethering based on my experience.
Im seriously considering switching to sprint as i would actually be willing to pay for their tethering, i get 4g in my area and i have a lot of respect for sprint for not capping their 4g.
Maybe if tmobile offered more bandwidth or other features for their 15 bucks a month I would actually be willing to pay for it, but i AM NOT paying for data that I allready paid for. Data is data to them, my cap isnt changing, why should i pay more to pipe my data to my computer.
Correct me if I'm wrong but tethering for $15 essentially removes the 5gb throttled cap. Its the same as Sprint and their $10 fee. The 200mb plan is just a lower tier.
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JustinTArthur said:
An interesting test would be whether or not you're able to still make HTTPS-only requests with the web browser on your desktop or laptop. It would take some evil hackery for them to be able to retrieve the user agent string from an HTTPS request.
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Https to mail.google.com works just fine!
funkeee said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but tethering for $15 essentially removes the 5gb throttled cap. Its the same as Sprint and their $10 fee. The 200mb plan is just a lower tier.
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last time I was working the tmobile call-center for T3DS (spring 2010), the cap was 10GB. Although, that was nearly a year ago now. Samson had a lil' checkbox for "throttled" that was enabled at 10GB. perhaps a year and a half ago, maybe two now, they had disabled tethering previousy system-wide. Although back then I had a Motorola Krzr with no data, so I really had no clue what was affected.
The $15 thing is to enable tethering. two days ago it was offering me something around 40-50 dollars for "unlimited" (atop the $30 i pay for unlimited data), and $15 for 200MB (atop of the $30 i play for unlimited data). Of course, you must have a data-plan already in place. Looking at it again today, the page is different. It presents me with a mini terms of service, a button to add this package to my plan to enable tethering. No mention or word of cost.
And, visiting my.tmobile.com like it suggests... there's nothing on the official Tmobile website that I can find for the tethering package.
So, being the typical t-mo customer that I am, I called up the 1-800 number to whine and complain. I mostly want these annoying text-messages to stop. The rep said he could add on the tethering package for me, but I declined. He also offered to hand this over to his buisness group to see if these messages are being sent out in error.
TLDR: If I have to pay $85/mo minimum for smartphone with tethering abilities, i'd rather just give Verizon a call.
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Got around it by setting up an openvpn on cyanogen 6.1.0. Even if im not using tethering, im still gonna use openvpn for my data traffic, as they are probably using deep packet inspection, which means we no longer have any privacy on tmobiles network.
Im thinking about changing the default port to 443 so as far as they are concerned, im just browsing ssl sites on my phone (port 443 is the default ssl port for web browsing and openvpn uses ssl for encryption).
If you use this method, just be sure to reset you dns to to googles (8.8.8.8) otherwise they can still tell whether or not your tethering based on my experience.
Im seriously considering switching to sprint as i would actually be willing to pay for their tethering, i get 4g in my area and i have a lot of respect for sprint for not capping their 4g.
Maybe if tmobile offered more bandwidth or other features for their 15 bucks a month I would actually be willing to pay for it, but i AM NOT paying for data that I allready paid for. Data is data to them, my cap isnt changing, why should i pay more to pipe my data to my computer.
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I've never successfully set up openvpn before, could you assist with this? Or is there a guide you recommend for beginners?
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was cut off last night.
tried the "user agent switcher" plugin for firefox to see if they are blocking browsers rather than the tethering itself.
With limited testing, i found several agents that work. iphone 3.0 to name one... Now to figure a way to keep the web looking nice using these agents.
I just received my first text warning and was cut off immediately....the 5gig throttle was already a huge kick to my nuts...now they want me to pay to tether and still be under the same cap?! I hit 5gigs WITHOUT tether...I really don't know how tmo expects to keep any smartphone customers like this...
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The solution to this is very easy;
EVERYBODY needs to call up tmobile and tell them that you were NOT tethering, but changed the USER AGENT ON YOUR PHONE in order to make websites actually work since douchebag websites read that the user agent is for MOBILE and send you to their crippled mobile websites.
dhkr123 said:
The solution to this is very easy;
EVERYBODY needs to call up tmobile and tell them that you were NOT tethering, but changed the USER AGENT ON YOUR PHONE in order to make websites actually work since douchebag websites read that the user agent is for MOBILE and send you to their crippled mobile websites.
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Well... You can call them all you like. Previously working for a tmobile call-center, I can assure you little will be done. If I received the call, I would be opening up samson and checking your usage history. The billing system logs just about every bit of data transfered, although I cant remember if it lists URL's anymore. I would suggest telling them that you were tethering, decline on the upsell offer of the tethering package because you feel your "unlimited data" package actually means unlimited, then you can also tell them that it is interfering with the phones operation by itself even when you arnt tethering, and request some sort of further troubleshooting/ticket creation.
If you say you arnt tethering, but DID tether, we could usually see judging by how many connections were initiated over a period of time... There's only so much an android phone can do at once. Regardless, as a data/tech rep, the next step would be filing a network trouble-ticket and putting in your information for an "engineer" to review over. Theres little (if not nothing) for the follow-up/callback process. At this point I would be telling you an engineer/tech would review over it, and try to end the call by up-selling you a newer phone.
TLDR: Unless things have changed in the past year, You will only talk to customer-care rep's, and have no chance of getting your concerns to those who have any power over these decisions. However if you do call in, please be polite and patient with the rep. I've called in and informed them that these are being erroneously generated, and they've taken the time to make a ticket for me. (they were, I got 8 of the damned things while listening to pandora on my phone)
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Well... You can call them all you like. Previously working for a tmobile call-center, I can assure you little will be done.
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Not for a single call, but if EVERYBODY called and complained about it, it WOULD be dealt with.
If I received the call, I would be opening up samson and checking your usage history. The billing system logs just about every bit of data transfered, although I cant remember if it lists URL's anymore.
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Go ahead and check the usage history. A smartphone is capable of generating EXACTLY the same data use as a tethered computer.
I would suggest telling them that you were tethering, decline on the upsell offer of the tethering package because you feel your "unlimited data" package actually means unlimited, then you can also tell them that it is interfering with the phones operation by itself even when you arnt tethering, and request some sort of further troubleshooting/ticket creation.
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And that is EXACTLY what you do NOT want to do, because as soon as you do that, all discussion is over.
If you say you arnt tethering, but DID tether, we could usually see judging by how many connections were initiated over a period of time...
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That might have been the case in years gone by, but no longer.
There's only so much an android phone can do at once.
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Huh? The limiting factor here is the NETWORK, not the hardware. It is TRIVIAL to open up dozens of connections for lots of different services on lots of different servers. Just because it is beyond YOU does not mean that **I** can't do it.
Regardless, as a data/tech rep, the next step would be filing a network trouble-ticket and putting in your information for an "engineer" to review over. Theres little (if not nothing) for the follow-up/callback process. At this point I would be telling you an engineer/tech would review over it, and try to end the call by up-selling you a newer phone.
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And once that request has been filed, you don't think that statistics will be run on the nature of the various requests? 200 thousand complaints about this nonsense knocking out normal phone data traffic, you don't think that would be noticed?
TLDR: Unless things have changed in the past year, You will only talk to customer-care rep's, and have no chance of getting your concerns to those who have any power over these decisions. However if you do call in, please be polite and patient with the rep. I've called in and informed them that these are being erroneously generated, and they've taken the time to make a ticket for me. (they were, I got 8 of the damned things while listening to pandora on my phone)
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As I've said, numbers talk. I certainly don't advocate calling up and threatening anyone, but if the numbers are overwhelming, then corrective actions MUST be taken.
Please look at my post regarding T-mobile tethering
[/COLOR]I'm pretty sure I know what T-Mobile did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26649587#post26649587
Has anyone seen in the news the electronic readers the government is using which is capable of illegally stealing all private information from any type of smart phone?
Can anybody create a mod that will block a device like this from being used on the Nexus one?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/cops-us...l-cellphone-data-from-innocent-americans.html
Do you really believe what you read?
Say, 16GB of photos&data on iPhone, 1.5 minutes, count required transfer rate - quite simple - and then tell me, what kind of wireless connectivity does this "device" use to "steal data from unsuspecting people"?
Then ask yourself the first question again.
Now, if you look up the stated device's manufacturer site, http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products.html, you'll see that even in their photos it's perfectly clear this device has to be connected by wire to the phone. Does anyone in their right mind willingly connect the phone by USB to some device with unknown functionality? In that case, no, the data can't be protected.
Now, if you go even one more step further, and open the "supported devices" catalog on the site, you'll see that the only thing that can be done wireless to the iPhone is extracting phonebook - and I'm not sure about the requirement to allow the BT connection - but if you look up Nexus One, you'll see that it definitely has to be attached by wire to do anything with it.
And now back to the first question: do you believe everything you read?
Jack_R1 said:
Do you really believe what you read?
Say, 16GB of photos&data on iPhone, 1.5 minutes, count required transfer rate - quite simple - and then tell me, what kind of wireless connectivity does this "device" use to "steal data from unsuspecting people"?
Then ask yourself the first question again.
Now, if you look up the stated device's manufacturer site, http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products.html, you'll see that even in their photos it's perfectly clear this device has to be connected by wire to the phone. Does anyone in their right mind willingly connect the phone by USB to some device with unknown functionality? In that case, no, the data can't be protected.
Now, if you go even one more step further, and open the "supported devices" catalog on the site, you'll see that the only thing that can be done wireless to the iPhone is extracting phonebook - and I'm not sure about the requirement to allow the BT connection - but if you look up Nexus One, you'll see that it definitely has to be attached by wire to do anything with it.
And now back to the first question: do you believe everything you read?
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But, it's on the internet, why would the internet lie? Are you calling the internet a liar?
I believe that if you soak your phone in warm, salty water overnight it will block this device - haven't tried though, so I can't confirm...
Umm... those Cellebrite devices are very real, and Michigan police are/were using them. The have the ability to pull the data off of thousands of different types of phones, over USB. I've never see Android specifically listed on their site, but I'd be willing to bet their devices can pull data from Android too.
That being said, I can't believe people are handing over their phones. This whole thing stinks of illegal search and seizure. But, they're getting away with it by saying the person willingly handed over their phone (even though I'd bet they're being coerced), There would be absolutely no way I'd hand my phone over to any LEO with out seeing a warrant first.
I was just mulling this over in my head... and I think the only way to block something like this would be to disable the data port on the phone. What that would involve from a software stand-point, I have no idea, and may not even be possible with how the hardware/software is designed... but that is basically the only way I'd see it to be possible.
Removing the USB driver (device functions) from the kernel would be enough, I believe.
In order for adb to work, you have to enable usb debugging. Wouldn't that be a requirement with this device, also?
ok just because I pulled this from prison planet doesn't mean its not true, it was the most convenient link at the time and hours later it was on front page of yahoo and all the major news sites. it would be easy for a police man to take your phone from you and hook it up to whatever they want.
Yep, saw it tonight on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. Looks scary with some cops not using warrants to get your phone on a traffic stop...