Yesterday I had a short chat with arcee.
A huge thanks to him for taking his time to answer these rather "easy" questions.
I focused mainly on the questions which are floating around at xda these days, now we do have some educated answers (aka "the truth").
If someone wants to read a little more, I had collected a couple G+ quotes about Nvidia/LG from him some time back, see here.
To make this post clearer I removed some of the crap I wrote and focused on the important answers from him.
Didn't change anything in his lines of course.
tonyp: first, what's your opinion about LG & Nvidia here.
tonyp: at least it looks like we'll get an official update eventually, Paul's post from his internel LG source looks promising
arcee: LG has been working on that model since February
arcee: as far as I know, they've been stamping out bugs ever since
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arcee: in any case, there's 2 sets of issues for a device like the 2x
arcee: 1 - for people like me, nvidia is utterly useless
arcee: I can't do anything on a tegra device unless the vendor does it first
arcee: 2 - as far as stock updates are concerned, that's almost entirely up to LG
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tonyp: yes, that's really something TI and otheres are ahead of Nvidia
tonyp: but shouldn't LG have some kind of reference source code?
tonyp: aka something that would help "people like you" to implement it yourself
arcee: the reference code is nvidia's
arcee: LG, or any other nvidia customer, can't share it. even if they customize it (and they do), it still started from nvidia intellectual property
tonyp: yes that's obvious
tonyp: what I meant was if LG needs help from Nvidia or if they could help themselves with these reference source code
arcee: they usually have to work together, especially early on
arcee: nvidia is sloppy, their first iterations tend to be, to various degrees, broken
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tonyp: Is the tegra2 chipset a problem here?
arcee: no, it isn't
arcee: the chipset is common as much
arcee: *muck
arcee: the problem is that nvidia chose a very uncommon approach to their android design
arcee: in particular, the userspace libraries and HALs have a ton of hardware-specific logic
arcee: **** that on other platforms is confined to kernel space (like "how to enable the audio amplifier" or whatever), is put in libraries when it comes to tegra
arcee: so for the most part, you can _not_ use a device's libraries on another, unless they share the same hardware components
arcee: and since nvidia publishes zero code, we can't just write our own
tonyp: iirc even things like auto brightness are controlled with nvidia libs?
arcee: yes. sensors, in this case
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tonyp: and how specific is this implementation - would we need another device which uses the star platform (which aren't many) or could the Samsung Galaxy R for example help as well
tonyp: you wrote at Twitter that the ZTE Grant (or Mimosa) X won't really help
arcee: at all
arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices
arcee: different components, different resolutions, different radios
arcee: different audio amps, different panel manufacturers, different almost everything
arcee: the designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes
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tonyp: and you're planning to get CM10 to the 2x then?
tonyp: because if I understood you correct you won't release any "broken" releases like you did with CM9 anymore. I do get the point, people blaming the apps when in reality the facebook rotation crash is related to a failed attempt of 2d hardware drawing.
arcee: if LG does come out with a release I can use, yes
arcee: else, no
tonyp: that's something
tonyp: and which updated libraries are exactly needed? Or are there too many to list?
arcee: pretty much everything
arcee: ICS is just too different from GB
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follow him, don't bother him - and don't threadjack his G+ posts!
this will surely clear up all those queries in the ics discussion page
I have my doubts.
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Thank you! It really helped me to understand the current situation with lg and other tegra 2 devices
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Thanks a ton bro
Clears out any confusion regarding what will be of use, and what will not be if any use to us, plus who is to blame for this mess.
Many thanks Tonyp for this, so as I can see, the problem is nVidia...And the same what happened to us with O2X can happen to Tegra3 users... So bye bye Nexus 7...and I do not understand Google why they choose Tegra3 for Nexus7... I will never buy anything which will contain something from nVidia company....
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Many thanks Tonyp for this, so as I can see, the problem is nVidia...And the same what happened to us with O2X can happen to Tegra3 users... So bye bye Nexus 7...and I do not understand Google why they choose Tegra3 for Nexus7... I will never buy anything which will contain something from nVidia company....
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I will for sure get a N7 as soon as it is launched here in the EU. It's a Nexus device after all.
And I don't think that he said Nvidia is the only one to blame - but don't make this thread to a LG vs. Nvidia one, so let's not start with that!
Just got myself a new signature
arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes
Man TonyP, you've tested his nerves quite badly, answering those boring questions again and again...:laugh:
Ferrum Master said:
Man TonyP, you've tested his nerves quite badly, answering those boring questions again and again...:laugh:
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Yeah I know I did feel a little bad about that.
He said that most of the stuff he said there isn't new and has been said by him several times.
The plan is that by pinning it out here it will become common knowledge now.
tonyp, you're hero of the forum. thanks.
perhaps the most positive line is arcee's "LG has been working on that model since february; as far as I know, they've been stamping out bugs ever since" and it's nice to know that, at least, for many of us here had doubts if LG is aware of that device at all. however it's a question of teamwork and both companies willings to do the job.
arcee was clear about not releasing cm10 nightie without LG/nvidia libraries at all, but we couldn't blame him. there are hopeful posts lately so we feels less forgotten
tonyp thanks again for sharing teh conversation!
Thanks tonyp, so for me, no Nvidia or Lg again, (only if it's nexus).
Reading the conversation i can only come to one decision. Android=Nexus nothing more nothing less.
I'm really tired of waiting, tired of translating korean to english from lg mobile korea, tired of the same answers every single day, tired of coming here and see some double/triple posting from someone who doesn't search first.
Tonyp i'd like to thank you for those posts you shared. They gave some peace if mind.
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So am I wrong to assume that CM10 even with official ICS release has very few chances to come to our mobile;
Tony big kudos to you for bothering RC with such "annoying" questions:thumbup:
loipol84 said:
So am I wrong to assume that CM10 even with official ICS release has very few chances to come to our mobile;
Tony big kudos to you for bothering RC with such "annoying" questions:thumbup:
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Yes, you are wrong. He means to say that if LG releases official ICS, it can probably be used to help in building CM10 too.
From Tweeter:
- when CM9 stable for LG Optimus 2X?
RC: never. At this point, if and when LG does the ICS update, it'll be used for CM10
Thats a good news.
I was telling ever since beginning LG is less responsible for our situation but nvidia
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spica1234 said:
Thats a good news.
I was telling ever since beginning LG is less responsible for our situation but nvidia
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I blame them equally and Google. NVIDIA for being secretive about their source code, doing non-standard Android integration implementations, being sloppy with development and continuously releasing bug-filled code to the OEMs it sells to (even the most current release of Tegra2 code has bugs known at release). LG for using NVIDIA SOC. Google for allowing phone OEMs, such as LG, to use chips from companies, such as NVIDIA, which hide their code so that independent developers can't modify/update Android.
Google should stop tolerating closed-source code from companies such as NVIDIA in order to popularize Android and, instead, require that all companies which use Android must provide complete and transparent open-source code for everything in a device which uses Android. That would mean that LG or any other company that uses Android in a device wouldn't be able to sell that device if it uses NVIDIA or another company's chips/hardware if it doesn't provide open-source human readable source code for micro-code, firmware, etc., and the development tools too.
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I blame them equally and Google. NVIDIA for being secretive about their source code, doing non-standard Android integration implementations, being sloppy with development and continuously releasing bug-filled code to the OEMs it sells to (even the most current release of Tegra2 code has bugs known at release). LG for using NVIDIA SOC. Google for allowing phone OEMs, such as LG, to use chips from companies, such as NVIDIA, which hide their code so that independent developers can't modify/update Android.
Google should stop tolerating closed-source code from companies such as NVIDIA in order to popularize Android and, instead, require that all companies which use Android must provide complete and transparent open-source code for everything in a device which uses Android. That would mean that LG or any other company that uses Android in a device wouldn't be able to sell that device if it uses NVIDIA or another company's chips/hardware if it doesn't provide open-source human readable source code for micro-code, firmware, etc., and the development tools too.
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Without the Apache license which is used by Google Android wouldn't be that popular.
So that is no argument, it's the customers choice which brand to choose after all.
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Related
http://www.change.org/petitions/nvidia-useful-driver-for-tegra-2-chipset#
just thought id share it in here guys. even if you dont think its relevant to you, since you dont flash roms (which is unlikely, because you would not be in xda..lol ), still sign it ! its important stuff, especially if we want a good ics rom.
cheers
xilw3r said:
http://www.change.org/petitions/nvidia-useful-driver-for-tegra-2-chipset#
just thought id share it in here guys. even if you dont think its relevant to you, since you dont flash roms (which is unlikely, because you would not be in xda..lol ), still sign it ! its important stuff, especially if we want a good ics rom.
cheers
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Note from Nvidia about drivers
Hello Android Development Community
We appreciate all the interest and passion surrounding the NVIDIA Tegra Platform and we take our support for the development community seriously. NVIDIA has been working with Google and Motorola to provide the open source community with the required drivers and other binary code to build full Android OS images for the Tegra 2 powered "Motorola Xoom". We expect Google to make those components available as part of the Android Open Source Project soon.
In addition, NVIDIA is working on a full release of Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS) for our Tegra 2 Dual Core and Tegra 3 Quad Core reference devices to be made available early next year. This release package will comprise of binary code, drivers developed on our reference platforms and any patches necessary to ensure stability & performance with ICS. We hope the open source community can leverage this release for their work on all Tegra devices.
Andrew Edelsten
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309620
These petitions are of no use. The only option we have is to wait.
i know i know... online petitions dont accomplish anything.. but i guess im just a bit desperate.
ive seen that statement and what troubles me is that it mainly concerns xoom which is actually using a different kind of tegra2, ventenara or sth like that whereas 2x has harmony tegra 2, so if nvidia releases drivers for xoom, we wont have much use of them
Look here! http://developer.nvidia.com/linux-tegra What do you think? Video Encoding/decoding and H/w bugs can now solved? ???
As a lot of developers said, this is for linux, not for android so it's useless
Oh my God... please use the search button! Please! This is not for android, but for Linux! If you read the date of publishing you can understand that it is impossible that our developers don't know it, and do not open a new thread for this in developement section!
There is an identical topic in general created today...
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I'm sorry, i've post this on the wrong section! Sorryyyy please, close this!
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Android is linux based os for mobile devices
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wtf... im confused... isnt android linux? O_O
I'd say its definitly time for fully working ICS but who knows what NVIDIA thinks about it... .
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Android is linux based os for mobile devices
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You just answered yourself sir
Linux BASED
My ubuntu binaries doesn't work on Android so don't expect Linux blobs will work
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owain, i thought galaxy s2 had ics already, if so, why not port the drivers?
skylinegt77 said:
owain, i thought galaxy s2 had ics already, if so, why not port the drivers?
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It's not the same hardware...
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slebit said:
It's not the same hardware...
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ohhh. thought at least video and graphics processors where the same
At this moment, none of the three handsets with Tegra 2 (LG P990/P999/SU660, Motorola ME860/MB860, Samsung GT-I9103) have official ICS ROMs.
At the same time, these 3 manufacturers have rolled out ICS updates for other devices, so it's not like they don't know how to work with ICS.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions on who should be blamed for this frustrating situation of our devices. I know, though, who NOT to buy from again (hint: it's not LG).
And before someone say T2 tablets getting ICS, tablets != phones. I don't think any T2 tablets even have a 3G radio, so the chip can be of a completely different SKU and hence incompatible binaries.
akyp said:
At this moment, none of the three handsets with Tegra 2 (LG P990/P999/SU660, Motorola ME860/MB860, Samsung GT-I9103) have official ICS ROMs.
At the same time, these 3 manufacturers have rolled out ICS updates for other devices, so it's not like they don't know how to work with ICS.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions on who should be blamed for this frustrating situation of our devices. I know, though, who NOT to buy from again (hint: it's not LG).
And before someone say T2 tablets getting ICS, tablets != phones. I don't think any T2 tablets even have a 3G radio, so the chip can be of a completely different SKU and hence incompatible binaries.
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Yes it is LG
If it was nvidia I would not typing this on a tegra device
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lol owain, you're silly
but I reckon that even if someone can grab the ICS build of the newer LG phones (Lge/Lge2/4x?) that without the right T2 binaries...its pretty much useless?
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lol owain, you're silly
but I reckon that even if someone can grab the ICS build of the newer LG phones (Lge/Lge2/4x?) that without the right T2 binaries...its pretty much useless?
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Why ?
Nvidia probably gave the sources to lg (and other companies) before the public ics release
It is not up to nvidia to update the device to ICS it is up to lg but they are busier with newer phones
You would do the same if you were owner of lg it is about making money not about supporting old devices
Priority 1 new phones
Priority 2 software updates for the new phones
Priority 3 support for old phones
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nah I just like your general attitude towards building ROMS for this phone! its great to have a good community right?
I agree though with your logic...its just a truth that I choose not to accept since I did buy this phone nay a year ago for a hefty sum of money. I just want LG to give you guys the sources so we can all have fun and leave them alone (and get me that ICS fun)
Yeah I don't know why LG don't just "leak" the ics testing rom for O2X which I'm sure does exist in the deepest realm of LG.
That way it would get us lot of their back, they could concentrate on the newer phones, and nobody would care about the official release of ICS for O2X anymore
As someone who has had several LG phones I can safely say that once they have released a phone LG tends to stop giving a crap about it.
I think it's not in the LG itself, because no one with a Tegra 2 is not received ICS. Samsung has updated all the models, but it has not updated the model Galaxy R, but we know how well does the Samsung firmware! I think there is some sort of a different problem!
Nvidia probably gave the sources to lg (and other companies) before the public ics release
It is not up to nvidia to update the device to ICS it is up to lg but they are busier with newer phones
You would do the same if you were owner of lg it is about making money not about supporting old devices
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It depends on the quality of the company, after a very long supported samsung Galaxy S, even when the market was a Galaxy S2.
The company realized the essence of Samsung Android devices, such as to make them attractive to buyers - do quality support. Other companies do not understand this, because the coolest gadget, without the support - a piece of plastic!
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Yeah I don't know why LG don't just "leak" the ics testing rom for O2X which I'm sure does exist in the deepest realm of LG.
That way it would get us lot of their back, they could concentrate on the newer phones, and nobody would care about the official release of ICS for O2X anymore
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I asked Paul from Modaco to get a leak from his LG internal source.
Unfortunately there is nothing to leak yet...
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bbs(plz delete it).k-touch.c(plz delete it)n/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=19601&extra=page%3D1
I had heard this news from the official forum of a chinese smartphone company which is Not a well-known brand named K-touch. The smartphone they produced has a accurate same Tegra2 chip with P990 (Tegra2 AP20H, actually same with P990). And their devlopers had given a good news to the MODERATOR of their official forum, and the moderator is the poster of the link above. The news said that they had begun coding with NVIDIA, and a beta ICS rom for their smartphone would be released at about 3 weeks later.
I think P990 could get the drivers after their beta rom released and the Hardware Acceleration of ICS for P990 could be solved. If so, LG provide ICS upgrade or not is not important.
Forgive me for my poor English. And I hope you guys could understand it.
It would really great if this is true But I couldn't find anything related to P990 on the link you given
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bbs(plz delete it).k-touch.c(plz delete it)n/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=19601&extra=page%3D1
I had heard this news from the official forum of a chinese smartphone company which is Not a well-known brand named K-touch. The smartphone they produced has a accurate same Tegra2 chip with P990. And their devlopers had given a good news to the MODERATOR of their official forum, and the moderator is the poster of the link above. The news said that they had begun coding with NVIDIA, and a beta ICS rom for their smartphone would be released at about 3 weeks later.
I think P990 could get the drivers after their beta rom released and the Hardware Acceleration of ICS for P990 could be solved. If so, LG provide ICS upgrade or not is not important.
Forgive me for my poor English. And I hope you guys could understand it.
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Link this in official ics source code in sticky thread so some people their can analyze this and give us a proper explanation and if this will help to our phone, but im afraid that this is the same as other device with tegra 2 that this will not help o2x in any way
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dasklney said:
It would really great if this is true But I couldn't find anything related to P990 on the link you given
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The moderator announced that their smartphone K-touch W806 will get ics upgrade, and it has a same Tegra2 chip with P990. That's the only thing it related to P990. I post the link just want people know that the news is dependable.
So when we'll get that phones update binaries....
Good god! the k-touch w700 its really equal to the p990 :laugh::laugh::laugh:
now i got new hopes =D
it will probably have the same problem for porting as all other ics tegra2 phones: it doesn't include lg's modifications.
havent checked yet but ireally doubt it, unless its a completely same system as our phones, which is most unlikely
Great new!!!
It would be good to have a something like confirmation from a ours dev's eye
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http://gadgetian.com/11269/k-touch-w700-specs-price/
The link above shows the phone specs, as you can see, we have different camera still image resolution vide record is not 1080p, some differences in 3g. But you can see too that this is the phone that easily come closer to the optimus 2x (512mb ram , no fisical button, same screen resolution, etc...) and probably uses the same ap20h chipset cuz, it launched long time ago like to o2x
:good:
Ventana board..?
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And since JB still uses kernel 3.0.xx (which has already been ported to our LG O2X), we will also see JB on our phone ...right?
Don't get any high hopes, it is very difficult that the SoC is exactly the same. The Lg 2x is more than a year and a half old, this phone you guys are talking about is recent just like the ZTE Mimosa is, those tegra2 chip have different coding inside.
Even though i have my fingers crossed (just for good luck).
As it was mentioned before, this thread should be on the "ICS updates out" thread........so we can keep on track of the news.
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And since JB still uses kernel 3.0.xx (which has already been ported to our LG O2X), we will also see JB on our phone ...right?
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kernel has nothing to do with JB. Kernel versions have no influence on Android versions. Look at ICS, there are phones with it and they are running with 2.6 kernel. So don't worry about kernels on Jelly Bean.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Unless it is exactly the same configuration i.e. star board, which is seriously doubt, it is of no use just like ZTE Mimosa / Grand.
the k-touch w700 is as old as o2x!! Great chances to be vantana board
I can't think of a nice way to say this, but WAKE UP, dun act like you guys are on LSD
LG O2x chip needs drivers of its own!!
We wield the first batch of nVidia dual-core processors and they were probably in beta when nVidia manufactured it!!
We have impaired chips and we need custom drivers for them!!
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I can't think of a nice way to say this, but WAKE UP, dun act like you guys are on LSD
LG O2x chip needs drivers of its own!!
We wield the first batch of nVidia dual-core processors and they were probably in beta when nVidia manufactured it!!
We have impaired chips and we need custom drivers for them!!
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Nice sig still forgot to thank you for this post though sorry.
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Nice sig still forgot to thank you for this post though sorry.
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this- lol.
you know that the thanks button doesnt disappear anywhere
hi, is it the same board?! same in all integrity?!
This pertains specifically to the recent LG release of ICS (with the NVIDIA accelerated hardware drivers) for the SU660 (Korean version of the Optimus 2X) and the lack of developer interest in porting it to the P990 and P999 versions of the same phone.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE DEVELOPERS GONE
Original words and music by Pete Seeger
Originally performed by Pete Seeger and Tao Rodriguez-Seeger
Changed lyrics by Core Memory (Member of XDA Developers)
Where have all the developers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the developers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the developers gone?
LG has disappointed them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the developers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the developers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the developers gone?
NVIDIA has disappointed them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
They'll be back when the kernel source code is released (don't worry, LG is legally obliged to release it due to the contract terms of using Android).
I doubt the devs can just pick apart the Korean .kdz file to extract binaries - they need the source code. And we know the source code WILL come now, it's just a matter of time.
Hang on man, I'm excited myself. Especially being in North America where we are unlikely to get any OTA update.
hehe, forward your message to LG man ;P
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They'll be back when the kernel source code is released (don't worry, LG is legally obliged to release it due to the contract terms of using Android).
I doubt the devs can just pick apart the Korean .kdz file to extract binaries - they need the source code. And we know the source code WILL come now, it's just a matter of time.
Hang on man, I'm excited myself. Especially being in North America where we are unlikely to get any OTA update.
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Especially especially in Canada.
i just flashed the V30A_00.kdz on my O2x but i doesnt boot, only one thing works the new logo
lol, for those who dont know what song is this like me, here is the original version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aw-HiMW-3M&feature=related
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i just flashed the V30A_00.kdz on my O2x but i doesnt boot, only one thing works the new logo
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LOL, I think Stefan already announced that this would happen. Although the SU660 and the P990 have the same specs there are slight variations in the partitioning and so on that makes it impossible to just mix-and-match ROMs. Same for just about every phone with regional variations, it's to prevent people from easily debranding phones and removing carrier bloatware. It's nothing that our devs can't overcome... but they need source code first.
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LOL, I think Stefan already announced that this would happen. Although the SU660 and the P990 have the same specs there are slight variations in the partitioning and so on that makes it impossible to just mix-and-match ROMs. Same for just about every phone with regional variations, it's to prevent people from easily debranding phones and removing carrier bloatware. It's nothing that our devs can't overcome... but they need source code first.
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i have one of those versions with vibrating issue on normal cwm and non vibrating issue with su660 cwm and i was curious
Our devs are awesome! Without their hard work, we'd still be stuck on stock gingerbread (or even froyo in some cases)
Keep up the awesome work guys! :good:
Our devs have their hands tied right now because they don't have enough material to work with quite yet... It's not that they "aren't interested" as you say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
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This pertains specifically to the recent LG release of ICS (with the NVIDIA accelerated hardware drivers) for the SU660 (Korean version of the Optimus 2X) and the lack of developer interest in porting it to the P990 and P999 versions of the same phone.
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I think you should inform yourself a little more.before creating a thread calling for developers.
I don't know of a single dev who has a "lack of interest", most are quite excited. If it would be easily possible to port the SU660 ROM to the P99x one it would already have been done. It is NOT the "same" phone.
And keep in mind that this phone never had a lot of - how to phrase it - "real kick ass developers".
The best thing which could have happened to our phone was arcee, his skills are amazing. Without him the LG 2x custom ROM scene would be nowhere near the current state.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
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Steve is just crazy (and unfortunately not the best CEO).
helloha1 said:
Our devs are awesome! Without their hard work, we'd still be stuck on stock gingerbread (or even froyo in some cases)
Keep up the awesome work guys! :good:
Our devs have their hands tied right now because they don't have enough material to work with quite yet... It's not that they "aren't interested" as you say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
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My OP is not a criticism of developers.
Many have "moved on" from the Optimus 2X/G2X.
Because of "agro" from LG and NVIDIA .
Will LG and NVIDIA ever learn.
LG and NVIDIA will never learn.
Steve Balmer's developer rant is a symptom of what's wrong with Microsoft. Good video.
Core Memory said:
My OP is not a criticism of developers.
Many have "moved on" from the Optimus 2X/G2X.
Because of "agro" from LG and NVIDIA .
Will LG and NVIDIA ever learn.
LG and NVIDIA will never learn.
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Hm.. then please list only 5 names of the "many" devs who moved on...
If you have been following the threads about the leak, you would know that they can't do anything at the moment because basically they still need the kernel sources to work (which we still don't have) and in consecuence you wouldn't have posted this (right?).
I'm a developer and I don't really like this kind of stuff. It feels like pressuring them to get working on something, remember they are doing this for fun / self training and for free - so please people let them be. If something new happens they will be the first ones to inform about it.
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Hm.. then please list only 5 names of the "many" devs who moved on...
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I'll leave that to you because you know that more than that have sold their Optimus 2X and G2X phones and moved on and others such as RC have "put it on the shelf" and, depending on LG releasing ICS with accessible NVIDIA hardware drivers and whether he thinks it is worthwhile spending his time on it instead of his current and future interests, he may or may not be counted among the developers who "moved on" (hopefully not).
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If you have been following the threads about the leak, you would know that they can't do anything at the moment because basically they still need the kernel sources to work (which we still don't have) and in consecuence you wouldn't have posted this (right?).
I'm a developer and I don't really like this kind of stuff. It feels like pressuring them to get working on something, remember they are doing this for fun / self training and for free - so please people let them be. If something new happens they will be the first ones to inform about it.
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Again, I am not blaming developers. I am blaming LG and NVIDIA. So, if you are a developer, any SU660/P990/P999 developer, don't take it personally.
Core Memory said:
Again, I am not blaming developers. I am blaming LG and NVIDIA. So, if you are a developer, any SU660/P990/P999 developer, don't take it personally.
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But the thing you're missing is that the devs are still here. Just today JB alpha was released. You make yourself look stupid.
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But the thing you're missing is that the devs are still here. Just today JB alpha was released. You make yourself look stupid.
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Yes, JB alpha for the O2X was just released but ICS and JB are already available for other, older, phones with less worthy hardware. W're fortunate that, in spite of NVIDIA and LG causing development for the O2X to be somewhat masochistic, there are still some developers working on it. If LG releases a public version of ICS with a locked bootloader for the SU660/P990/P999, there will be even fewer developers. It is interesting to note the lack of developers commenting about my post. I think they understand where I am coming from.
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Yes, JB alpha for the O2X was just released but ICS and JB are already available for other, older, phones with less worthy hardware. W're fortunate that, in spite of NVIDIA and LG causing development for the O2X to be somewhat masochistic, there are still some developers working on it. If LG releases a public version of ICS with a locked bootloader for the SU660/P990/P999, there will be even fewer developers. It is interesting to note the lack of developers commenting about my post. I think they understand where I am coming from.
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1. The opposite will happen when we get the official ICS release (which will most likely have the locked bootloader, yes). More devs will gain interest as there's finally something to do instead of waiting. The locked bootloader will be annoying but there will be ways around it.
2. The real devs usually don't read xda in general and not the general section in particular. No wondering why...
3. Start learning to develop your own stuff then the 2x will be exactly the way you want it to have. No offense, but this thread leads to nothing.
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1. The opposite will happen when we get the official ICS release (which will most likely have the locked bootloader, yes). More devs will gain interest as there's finally something to do instead of waiting. The locked bootloader will be annoying but there will be ways around it.
2. The real devs usually don't read xda in general and not the general section in particular. No wondering why...
3. Start learning to develop your own stuff then the 2x will be exactly the way you want it to have. No offense, but this thread leads to nothing.
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Good luck.
FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL NOT BE IMPLEMENT THE CAMERA THAT THERE ISNELL channel update ICS AND SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMATICE CURRENTLY IN ICS relase ISSUED BY YOU OR RIDING A DIFFERENT CHIP?.
ulkika said:
FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL NOT BE IMPLEMENT THE CAMERA THAT THERE ISNELL channel update ICS AND SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMATICE CURRENTLY IN ICS relase ISSUED BY YOU OR RIDING A DIFFERENT CHIP?.
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I wont forgive your stupidty, lazyness, your cappslock, and your grammar ( if you're native lang. is English).
ulkika said:
FORGIVE my stupidity
BUT IF THE MODEL AND THE SU660 P990 ARE IDENTICAL
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NOT IDENTICAL THEY ARE.
HW BUTTON SU660 HAVE, DIFFERENT IN MANY WAYS
SEARCH AND YOU FIND
/Yoda
So... did anyone actually get what that guy said?
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So... did anyone actually get what that guy said?
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Something about why we don't use things from the leaked SU660 ICS to our P990... or something like that..
I'm not sure though
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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes
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Something about why we don't use things from the leaked SU660 ICS to our P990... or something like that..
I'm not sure though
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arcee: the star, the galaxy R, and the grand X are completely different devices. different components, different resolutions, different radios, different audio amps,different panel manufacturers, different almost everything. The designs have nothing in common other than being T2
tonyp: so it's either LG or nothing?
arcee: yes
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Damn!!!!! Two swedes with a sense of humor!!!
My world is falling apart.
(btw. I dont have a clue about what the gentleman is asking)
Hej
Mike, the terrible Dane.
Having volunteered in immigrant-helping programs, I have a good understanding of broken English.
I believe he is asking "why can't we solve the camera problem in current P990 ICS builds if the SU660 and P990 are identical"?
The answer: Because kernel sources are not out yet. Right now, even the SU660 itself can't get a custom ICS ROM that works properly, because developing such a ROM requires the source code. And once the source is released, it doesn't matter if we don't get a P990 update, as SU660 drivers can be transferred over.