My XT860 weird sudden WiFi issue - Motorola Droid 3

Hello everyone, I know I am totally new to the forum but I assure you that before I wrote this, & before I even joined, I’ve been digging into all WiFi-related problems.
Before I post in this great forum I want to say that I owe all the developers here a BIG thanks, not only for development effort, but also for all help and guidance, it is you guys what make this forum and android community amazing! THANK YOU GUYS !!
The post might look long but I thought describing the issue in one brief post would be better in avoiding doing so in the form of many 2-line posts scattered through a 10-page thread.
Although my WiFi issue seems to me more like a hardware malfunction issue, it seems it’s one of its own where some indicators make me doubt it could be related to software too.
Here what the problem is about:
While I was messaging on WhatsApp, my phone suddenly disconnected from home WiFi & wasn’t able to reconnect anymore at all.
I now can only scan for wireless networks; here is how the problem takes place:
- As soon as I connect to a WiFi network, either it being secured or non-secured, the procedure gets stuck for 10-20 seconds at “Obtaining IP address from (Network ABC)”
- WiFi stays on but then shows “disconnected” or “Unsuccessful”, & (Network ABC) disappears from available networks list (unknown networks doesn’t)
- (Network ABC) reappears –> Device tries connecting to it –> Hangs in obtaining IP –> WiFi turns off
- I turn it on –> Device tries connecting to (Network ABC) –> Fails the same way –> WiFi turns off
- I turn it on –> Hangs completely in “Turning On…”, can’t disable or enable or anything, & got to reboot or battery would drain like crazy!
Things I tried (with no good):
- Resetting my WiFi router (other devices can connect to it)
- Connecting to other private & public routers that other devices normally connect to
- Fix WiFi using market applications: FXR WiFi fix and rescue, and Fix My WiFi
- Wiping cache & Wiping/Factory reset using the built in recovery on device
- Restoring a non-safe system recovery img that was created before the problem started
- Using RSDLite to flash the XT860 5.5.1-112 sbf available at sbf.droid-developers.org
- Safestrap: Wiped cache & dalvik cache, Formatted /system, then Wiped/Factory reset
- Connecting WiFi while on other ROMs (in safe system): CM9, MAVROM 4.5, DarkDroid 1.1, & the rooted deodexed 2.3.6 Motoblur.
Other info & symptoms that may help:
- Mobile hotspot not working in the manner of WiFi: As soon as my laptop or another device tries connecting to my XT860 mobile hotspot, the hotspot disappears from network list on my laptop
- The problem started during my first WiFi usage after the enabling of APN mobile network data
- When I switched on WiFi while Mobile Data was enabled, phone showed a successful connection to my home WiFi ! But stayed for a minute or two, then disconnected, then mobile data would hang & wouldn’t get disabled without a reboot
- WhatsApp chooses random tones when a message is received, even after the many flashes I did (this might sound geeky to mention lol, but it all actually started when I was using WhatsApp, which works using radio)
- GSM network and Bluetooth are working fine
So what do you guys think? What is the chance of it being about the drivers or something?
Or is it totally a hardware defect that grants me a replacement especially that it started while on stock?
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flamer.gamer said:
Hello everyone, I know I am totally new to the forum but I assure you that before I wrote this, & before I even joined, I’ve been digging into all WiFi-related problems.
Before I post in this great forum I want to say that I owe all the developers here a BIG thanks, not only for development effort, but also for all help and guidance, it is you guys what make this forum and android community amazing! THANK YOU GUYS !!
The post might look long but I thought describing the issue in one brief post would be better in avoiding doing so in the form of many 2-line posts scattered through a 10-page thread.
Although my WiFi issue seems to me more like a hardware malfunction issue, it seems it’s one of its own where some indicators make me doubt it could be related to software too.
Here what the problem is about:
While I was messaging on WhatsApp, my phone suddenly disconnected from home WiFi & wasn’t able to reconnect anymore at all.
I now can only scan for wireless networks; here is how the problem takes place:
- As soon as I connect to a WiFi network, either it being secured or non-secured, the procedure gets stuck for 10-20 seconds at “Obtaining IP address from (Network ABC)”
- WiFi stays on but then shows “disconnected” or “Unsuccessful”, & (Network ABC) disappears from available networks list (unknown networks doesn’t)
- (Network ABC) reappears –> Device tries connecting to it –> Hangs in obtaining IP –> WiFi turns off
- I turn it on –> Device tries connecting to (Network ABC) –> Fails the same way –> WiFi turns off
- I turn it on –> Hangs completely in “Turning On…”, can’t disable or enable or anything, & got to reboot or battery would drain like crazy!
Things I tried (with no good):
- Resetting my WiFi router (other devices can connect to it)
- Connecting to other private & public routers that other devices normally connect to
- Fix WiFi using market applications: FXR WiFi fix and rescue, and Fix My WiFi
- Wiping cache & Wiping/Factory reset using the built in recovery on device
- Restoring a non-safe system recovery img that was created before the problem started
- Using RSDLite to flash the XT860 5.5.1-112 sbf available at sbf.droid-developers.org
- Safestrap: Wiped cache & dalvik cache, Formatted /system, then Wiped/Factory reset
- Connecting WiFi while on other ROMs (in safe system): CM9, MAVROM 4.5, DarkDroid 1.1, & the rooted deodexed 2.3.6 Motoblur.
Other info & symptoms that may help:
- Mobile hotspot not working in the manner of WiFi: As soon as my laptop or another device tries connecting to my XT860 mobile hotspot, the hotspot disappears from network list on my laptop
- The problem started during my first WiFi usage after the enabling of APN mobile network data
- When I switched on WiFi while Mobile Data was enabled, phone showed a successful connection to my home WiFi ! But stayed for a minute or two, then disconnected, then mobile data would hang & wouldn’t get disabled without a reboot
- WhatsApp chooses random tones when a message is received, even after the many flashes I did (this might sound geeky to mention lol, but it all actually started when I was using WhatsApp, which works using radio)
- GSM network and Bluetooth are working fine
So what do you guys think? What is the chance of it being about the drivers or something?
Or is it totally a hardware defect that grants me a replacement especially that it started while on stock?
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Given it survived an rsdlite flash I would lean towards hardware. I know people have had issues with rsdlite not flashing properly, you could confirm by using moto-fastboot to flash the device manually. It's a command line utility, I'm not sure how comfortable you are using terminal commands
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Endoroid said:
Given it survived an rsdlite flash I would lean towards hardware. I know people have had issues with rsdlite not flashing properly, you could confirm by using moto-fastboot to flash the device manually. It's a command line utility, I'm not sure how comfortable you are using terminal commands
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Thanks, I'll try the moto-fasboot way..
But what if it is really a hardware defect? I once read that rooting voids warranty, I mean with all what I've tried to solve this, would Motorola still provide a replacement?

flamer.gamer said:
Thanks, I'll try the moto-fasboot way..
But what if it is really a hardware defect? I once read that rooting voids warranty, I mean with all what I've tried to solve this, would Motorola still provide a replacement?
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Fastboot flashing removes the signs of rooting. Same as RSDLite. It's what they would do for a software issue, it pushes the factory software image.
Lots of people in this forum have gotten replacements after having rooted.
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[Q] Wifi stockrom ICS

Since a few days I'm running the ICS stockrom on an unrooted Note. Before on the GB I was have not the best reception with Wifi, but it was working. Now, with ICS, my Wifi is connecting/disconnecting/connecting/and so on within a matter of seconds. I'm experiencing this on multiple Wifi networks. Therefore I would say it does not concern the settings of my Wifi network, also I'm practically sitting on the router (channel, reception can't be issue).
I've installed ICS via Kies and have done an additional factory reset today.
Does anybody know what could be the cause of this? And, more important, how to solve it?
1979Sentinel said:
Since a few days I'm running the ICS stockrom on an unrooted Note. Before on the GB I was have not the best reception with Wifi, but it was working. Now, with ICS, my Wifi is connecting/disconnecting/connecting/and so on within a matter of seconds. I'm experiencing this on multiple Wifi networks. Therefore I would say it does not concern the settings of my Wifi network, also I'm practically sitting on the router (channel, reception can't be issue).
I've installed ICS via Kies and have done an additional factory reset today.
Does anybody know what could be the cause of this? And, more important, how to solve it?
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Others have had similar issues - try reflashing the same modem from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645202
I found that wi-fi and data both worked better after flashing the modem a second time.
Thank you very much it seems to be working!!
I had to look to find out how to get the phone in download mode, but got it.
Sad to say I did an unneeded factory reset this morning, but yeah it is working now!
I've been also noticing momentary WiFi disconnections ever since I upgraded to ICS.
I'm using MyPhoneExplorer to transfer files wirelessly to the device (not via USB), and ever since ICS it has became an unreliable way to transfer files. If I transfer a big file most chances are that the WiFi connection will drop during the transfer, causing it to fail.
The connection is restored immediately but then I have to restart the transfer process as it halts when the connection fails.
I have excellent signal level (physically located close to the Access Point), I tried flashing the latest modem firmware (XXLR1) - twice, I've set "2.4GHz only" in the WiFi advanced settings, all to no avail: I still get these connection drops.
The same setup (phone, access point, etc) has all been working well in the past with GB. Now with stock ICS it performs poorly.
Has anybody got any information about this problem? Been experiencing similar problems?
Thanks!
I've been getting this issue too but it seems to only be with our virgin router, all other devices connected to it are fine although the signal is a bit crap on them to its at least stable
I tried the modem flash etc but no improvement, I'm pretty sure its the ****e virgin router
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sagie said:
I've been also noticing momentary WiFi disconnections ever since I upgraded to ICS.
I'm using MyPhoneExplorer to transfer files wirelessly to the device (not via USB), and ever since ICS it has became an unreliable way to transfer files. If I transfer a big file most chances are that the WiFi connection will drop during the transfer, causing it to fail.
The connection is restored immediately but then I have to restart the transfer process as it halts when the connection fails.
I have excellent signal level (physically located close to the Access Point), I tried flashing the latest modem firmware (XXLR1) - twice, I've set "2.4GHz only" in the WiFi advanced settings, all to no avail: I still get these connection drops.
The same setup (phone, access point, etc) has all been working well in the past with GB. Now with stock ICS it performs poorly.
Has anybody got any information about this problem? Been experiencing similar problems?
Thanks!
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At my side it seems to be working better now, steps I've taken (in this order):
1. Flashing new modem
2. Enter fixed IP address for my home Wifi
3. At Settings->Wifi->Advanced->Leave Wifi on when enabled
Especially the last seems to have done me good. I have it working in combination with BatteryFu so it does not consume my complete battery.
Androboyben said:
I've been getting this issue too but it seems to only be with our virgin router, all other devices connected to it are fine although the signal is a bit crap on them to its at least stable
I tried the modem flash etc but no improvement, I'm pretty sure its the ****e virgin router
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Well, the AP that I had problems with is a relatively recent D-Link 802.11n router. Nevertheless, I tried connecting with an old Cisco 802.11g router, and lo and behold - connection is now stable.
So, looks like there is indeed some interoperability problems but I won't dismiss this as a "****e <X-company> router" - as the same router is working well with other clients, and moreover, was working well with this phone when it was running an older GB firmware.
My conclusion is that apparently somebody at Samsung / Google has broken the Wi-Fi drivers, interoperability-wise.
1979Sentinel said:
At my side it seems to be working better now, steps I've taken (in this order):
1. Flashing new modem
2. Enter fixed IP address for my home Wifi
3. At Settings->Wifi->Advanced->Leave Wifi on when enabled
Especially the last seems to have done me good. I have it working in combination with BatteryFu so it does not consume my complete battery.
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You probably mean leav wifi on when screen is off? My phone is already set this way... Anyhow, thanks, but it looks like this is a problem with a specific router as I wrote in the first part of this message.

BCM 4.1u2 - Mobile data stops working after extended Wifi use

I'm experiencing some weirdness and I can sort-of reproduce it. I'm still testing it a bit more to see if the issue is triggered by something else; here's the issue:
After extended time on a Wifi network, if I disconnected from the Wifi for any reasons (signal loss, turning off Wifi, etc.) I lose mobile data. There's still a connection, the phone recognizes 3G/HSDPA access, I can read signal strength, I can make phone calls - but I can't route any data over the mobile connection. Rebooting the phone into recovery, then rebooting back into the OS seems to work, but it's a bit annoying to have to do.
Any suggestions on debugging this issue, getting logs, etc?
Small Help
Go to System Settings> More> APNs> Press Menu and Click Restore to default
and that should fix it for the mean time instead of having to reboot into recovery.
I have same problem. But if you disconect data before connecting to the WiFi, and dissconect wifi before connecting to the data it will work. It's a bit confusing but you will get used to do it
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My phone magically started working properly for a few weeks! And now the problem is back, and alas, neither solution works
I also routinely move in and out of wifi areas and cell radio coverage, so constantly changing the connection is a bit of a nonstarter (though I did try, to no success).

[Q] Wifi issues - connected to wifi but no data

Hi folks
Since I updated to JellyBean (JellyMod currently) I have an issue with my wifi connection.
It shows connected but i cant transfer any data (every app fails to establish a connection) until I turn off the wifi and turn it on again. then it ill work for some time and fails again after a not defined period of time.
I found a lot of threads regarding similiar problems but I did not find a solution yet (and for me having a rooted phone installing an app that that runs in background like wifi fixer is a workaround, not a fix
I already did a complete factory reset and fresh install of jellymod.
My router at home is a netgear wndr3700 with the latest dd-wrt. all my other devices work great.
I set the wifi of my i9070 to always on. also i installed auto wifi for location based wifi on/off-profiles.
all of this worked with gingerbread, never had problems...
any idea? seems like a lot of galaxy phones and even tabs are affected...
Thanks in advance!

Suddenly unable to connect to home wifi

So my wife's motox decided to stop connecting to my home wifi/cable modem. My phone (LG G2) as well as all laptops/tablets connect fine. My G2 can see about 8 nearby networks, the MotoX always sees my neighbors network and occasionally a 2nd or 3rd but that's about it. If my home network finally shows up I enter the password and it immediately switches to "Out of range" and shows as a Saved network. I enabled the hotspot on my phone and the MotoX still didn't show the hotspot. Here are the things I've tried so far:
- Forget network and readd it if/when it finally shows up as a visible network.
- Cleared cache from recovery
- Rebooted
- Toggling airplane mode
- Disable just data
- Power cycled cable modem. Also Hard reset it and set the network back up.
- Disable wifi optimization, notify when open network is available, as well as the always allow scanning.
- Switched from auto to 2.4 Ghz only.
- Switched between multiple channels on router.
The MotoX is the Canadian version, 4.4.2 stock, unrooted. Router is an awesome Hitron piece of crap but it's been working perfectly fine for months.
Short of doing a factory reset, does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
pqee said:
So my wife's motox decided to stop connecting to my home wifi/cable modem. My phone (LG G2) as well as all laptops/tablets connect fine. My G2 can see about 8 nearby networks, the MotoX always sees my neighbors network and occasionally a 2nd or 3rd but that's about it. If my home network finally shows up I enter the password and it immediately switches to "Out of range" and shows as a Saved network. I enabled the hotspot on my phone and the MotoX still didn't show the hotspot. Here are the things I've tried so far:
- Forget network and readd it if/when it finally shows up as a visible network.
- Cleared cache from recovery
- Rebooted
- Toggling airplane mode
- Disable just data
- Power cycled cable modem. Also Hard reset it and set the network back up.
- Disable wifi optimization, notify when open network is available, as well as the always allow scanning.
- Switched from auto to 2.4 Ghz only.
- Switched between multiple channels on router.
The MotoX is the Canadian version, 4.4.2 stock, unrooted. Router is an awesome Hitron piece of crap but it's been working perfectly fine for months.
Short of doing a factory reset, does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
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You have already tried everything that I would suggest, short of a factory reset. If you do factory reset, please let us know if it resolves your issue. Since you are not rooted, I'm confused as to how this could happen :/
Good Luck
I am assuming you have already unchecked the "avoid poor connections" option too in the wifi settings.
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jithudigitised said:
I am assuming you have already unchecked the "avoid poor connections" option too in the wifi settings.
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It was already unchecked so I didn't touch it.
Some routers can't handle certain number of conectinons, try rebooting your router
The router is built in with the cable modem which I've already rebooted as well as reset completely. Also with the phone only able to see a couple of networks at a time when there should be 8 - 10 visible at any time I think the phone is the problem. I just can't figure out what happened.
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pqee said:
The router is built in with the cable modem which I've already rebooted as well as reset completely. Also with the phone only able to see a couple of networks at a time when there should be 8 - 10 visible at any time I think the phone is the problem. I just can't figure out what happened.
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A few users have randomly had issues with WiFi, and their issues were only resolved by flashing the entire stock SBF as per the "Return to Stock" thread.
If a factory reset does not resolve your issue, you may consider SBFing back to stock. Since you will be flashing the stock rom (with matching CID), this is possible even with a locked bootloader.
Good Luck
I saw some posts about the SBF thing but wasn't sure if that applied to an unrooted / locked device or not. Thanks for the info.
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An update for anyone looking for one. Her phone stated working fine yesterday on its own. It picked up and connected to our home network on its own and it can see all of the nearby networks like mine does.
Neither of us have done anything to it yet. Haven't touched the router or her phone since I first posted the problem.
Sorry I don't have an actual solution for you.
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pqee said:
An update for anyone looking for one. Her phone stated working fine yesterday on its own. It picked up and connected to our home network on its own and it can see all of the nearby networks like mine does.
Neither of us have done anything to it yet. Haven't touched the router or her phone since I first posted the problem.
Sorry I don't have an actual solution for you.
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Ok so wifi decided to crap out again. This time I did a full wipe (internal storage included) and now wifi doesn't even turn on. It flips to ON for half a second then immediately back to off. Bluetooth does the same thing. I've called my provider (Rogers) and they're sending me another one.
Considering the wifi and bluetooth are on the same chip I guess the whole chip is toast or loose or something. Either way its well beyond a software fix.
pqee said:
Ok so wifi decided to crap out again. This time I did a full wipe (internal storage included) and now wifi doesn't even turn on. It flips to ON for half a second then immediately back to off. Bluetooth does the same thing. I've called my provider (Rogers) and they're sending me another one.
Considering the wifi and bluetooth are on the same chip I guess the whole chip is toast or loose or something. Either way its well beyond a software fix.
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You did a full wipe, but did you actually SBF back to stock? As I had commented previously, ONLY a full SBF back to stock can repair a corrupted filesystem. A "Full wipe" just erases cache and userdata.
SBFing actually REPLACES all the partitions. If you haven't tried, you can't say for certain that it is well beyond a software fix. It could have simply been a corrupt file...
Good Luck
If it was my phone I would have tried a SBF but considering it's my wife's she's a big more hesitant to let me and if they're sending us a new one, why bother?

[Q] XT1058 Can't connect to WiFi

Hello Everyone,
This is my first post here so I will try to be clear and short.
I'm using a Moto X XT1058, first, Stock Br Android 5.1 Firmware, unlocked bootloader I had a long time since I upgraded from 4.4.4, until yesterday everything went normal, when I arrived home from work I noticed my phone didn't connect automatically to my house lan, so I tried to manually select the SSID on the WiFi menu and I clicked connect, then, instead of the "connecting" > "Assigning IP Address" > "connected" steps, it changed to saved and no connection was made, and every time I try it does the same. I tried almost everything I could to fix this and the result is the same (images attached):
- Clicked on forgot, and tried again with the correct password.
- Reset my router to factory and upgraded firmware.
- Switched over different wireless authentication methods, even open.
- No firewall or MAC filtering is activated on my router.
- Wireless settings are the default, I can connect with any other device except my phone works( Notebook, Desktop with Wireless adapter, my dad's phone Moto G).
- I made a factory reset on my MotoX, switched over 5.1, I made a downgrade to 4.4.4, full wipe, loaded a past backup with twrp, flashed via mfastboot manually, switched again to a fresh install of 5.1, still can't connect.
- I read something about cleaning wifi cache and accessing wlan test and test wifi drivers using dialer code *#*#526#*#* but it didn't work on mine, also read something about checking wireless interface using a root terminal, but honestly I'm starting to lose faith on this...
I like this phone so much and I don't wanna expend on another unless this really doesn't have any fix.
When going to the WiFi Options (three dots bottom right on the WiFi screen) make sure "Avoid poor connections" isn't checked, also try selecting the right band (2,4 or 5GHz) manually. Also turn of "WiFi Optimization", unlikely that this causes your problems but overall this setting will bring you into trouble before it saves a noteable amount of battery. Do you see a MAC Address on the bottom there? On your router manually set a channel (on 2,4 GHz try 7, should be pretty empty there). Try enabling WiFi on your phone while your routers WiFi is off, then turn on the router. Maybe you can solve this by manually restarting the service on the phone through terminal or adb if you have root, that works for me although I had a little different problem:
su
svc wifi disable
svc wifi enable
disable first even if you disabled through the menubutton.
I tried
Hardmood said:
When going to the WiFi Options (three dots bottom right on the WiFi screen) make sure "Avoid poor connections" isn't checked, also try selecting the right band (2,4 or 5GHz) manually. Also turn of "WiFi Optimization", unlikely that this causes your problems but overall this setting will bring you into trouble before it saves a noteable amount of battery. Do you see a MAC Address on the bottom there? On your router manually set a channel (on 2,4 GHz try 7, should be pretty empty there). Try enabling WiFi on your phone while your routers WiFi is off, then turn on the router. Maybe you can solve this by manually restarting the service on the phone through terminal or adb if you have root, that works for me although I had a little different problem:
su
svc wifi disable
svc wifi enable
disable first even if you disabled through the menubutton.
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Hello and thanks for replying! I tried what you suggested with no luck, today I noticed the problem got worse... not my phone doesn't detects any wifi signal...
I think this is a hardware failure problem and I have yo buy another phone
Any other ideas?
Sad to hear that, one last thing you could try is removing the battery. Since this isn't possible without disassembly there's a trick I got from the Motorola Service, they call it Hung State Recovery:
This works as if the battery was removed from the device. Since it is built-in it is impossible
to remove the battery for it would void the warranty.
This process terminates all running commands from the processor allowing it to start anew.
No Data will be lost in the process.
With the device switched OFF (even if the device is not turning ON at all) follow the steps
bellow.
1. Please press and hold the VOL DOWN key
2. While still holding the VOL DOWN key, press and hold the POWER key
3. Hold both keys down for over 120 seconds.It must be more than 2 minutes!
4. After holding the keys down for more than two minutes, release them.
5. The Flash Boot screen will display, and the Normal Reboot option will be highlighted
6. Press the VOL UP key and the device will start a normal reboot.
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Unlikkely that this will help but it's just 2 minutes and at least a chance.
It's alive again
Hardmood said:
Sad to hear that, one last thing you could try is removing the battery. Since this isn't possible without disassembly there's a trick I got from the Motorola Service, they call it Hung State Recovery:
Unlikkely that this will help but it's just 2 minutes and at least a chance.
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Hello again... I almost gived up since yesterday but I don't know why, I wanted to try again... I even ordered a new phone from an online shop... but I just tried to connect to my wifi, and the reason why it wasn't detecting any APs was because I left the 5.0 Ghz band activated on one of my failed attempts to get Wifi working. Just switched again to automatic, clicked on my home AP and authenticated with my password and Bingo! It worked...
Not sure why but it got fixed somehow
Thanks for helping me out, I would try to sell it since I got a new one.
Good to hear that, that's a pretty common issue as it seems why I already suggested forcing the phone to use the right band. Don't set to automatic if you don't need both frequencies. Instead of selling the Moto X why don't you ship the new one back? If still sealed you shouldn't have problems getting a refund and in terms of one hand useable screen size, memory and cpu power you shouldn't need more until it comes to games or some strange kinds of usage where everybody clear in mind would choose a laptop.

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