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[Q] how hard will it be to unlock the bootloader

I'm thinking of getting the droid 3. but from what i have read its all most impossible to unlock the Motorola bootloader or to even get a recovery to flash custom rom's would this be worth it? or should one wait till the htc dual core slider comes out.
like this one
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/07/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-with-1-2ghz-cpu-headed/
or will they make the htc double shot for Verizon
http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...RTY-slider-coming-to-T-Mobile-in-July_id18407
thanks for any info and thanks to XDA for starting this forum

It's not possible to unlock it, however it's possible to work around it using 2nd init, different kinds of injection into the kernel etc. pp.
I guess the screen size, resolution and keyboard makes it the phone of choice as office replacement...
I would get this one if I needed a keyboard.

My two cents is that it may be a matter of preference. I say that being a current Droid X user, where it has a locked bootloader, but devs have been able to partially get around that for root and use Droid X Bootstrapper to access recovery ... so we can load some ROMs, leaks, make backups, etc. Of course, we cannot load custom kernels so 'tweaking' has its limits. But it sure beats running a stock phone loaded with bloatware!
How tightly locked the Droid 3 bootloader turns out to be will likely determine my next phone when my renewal comes up. I want a physical keyboard and I'd prefer the Droid 3 if devs can at least work the magic they've been able to do on the Droid X (and Droid 2). But if the Droid 3 is locked up so tight that devs can't get root, then probably I'll be heading towards one of those HTC models you referenced or continue to make do without a slide-out keyboard.

I want phones to be fully unlocked and time will tell if Moto delivers on their promises (kind of doubt they will). Still custom ROM's, themes, backups, etc. are as essential as custom kernels. I know coming from both the ThunderBolt and Droid Charge that it was great to have full access, but it does come at a cost if you are not careful.
That said I am willing to donate to the devs who are willing to support the Droid 3. Its really that simple. I know Woodyman over at droidforums.net is planning on building a AOSP ROM but what we need is root and CWM Recovery.
Are there any additional devs supporting this phone?

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RaptorMD said:
I want phones to be fully unlocked and time will tell if Moto delivers on their promises (kind of doubt they will). Still custom ROM's, themes, backups, etc. are as essential as custom kernels. I know coming from both the ThunderBolt and Droid Charge that it was great to have full access, but it does come at a cost if you are not careful.
That said I am willing to donate to the devs who are willing to support the Droid 3. Its really that simple. I know Woodyman over at droidforums.net is planning on building a AOSP ROM but what we need is root and CWM Recovery.
Are there any additional devs supporting this phone?
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i would gladly donate to any developers that work on unlocking the droid 3. and other things i hate being limited and told what i can do or not do with the phone i buy.

Birdman has said that fast boot works so it's possible to unlock if we get the right files
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Just my two cents guys, but I read today, that Motorola will be rolling out an optional, bootloader-unlocking OTA, sometime in Q4. Seems like it's going to be a bit of a wait, but we WILL be getting the ability to unlock the device. Also heard (someone please verify if this is true) that an unlocked version will be made available on launch day (I know it rolled out in some spots on the 7th, but my store, in Jersey won't have it 'till this Thursday). No word on added price for the unlocked unit, but I think I'm gonna give it a go!

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Just my two cents guys, but I read today, that Motorola will be rolling out an optional, bootloader-unlocking OTA, sometime in Q4. Seems like it's going to be a bit of a wait, but we WILL be getting the ability to unlock the device. Also heard (someone please verify if this is true) that an unlocked version will be made available on launch day (I know it rolled out in some spots on the 7th, but my store, in Jersey won't have it 'till this Thursday). No word on added price for the unlocked unit, but I think I'm gonna give it a go!
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Can you link to where you read any of this? Right now no stores have it. It is shipping from online orders. Stores and best buy get it on thursday. That would be strange to ship a different version but I hope something about this all is true.

that verizon slider looks like the htc merge that never made it to verizon

Well, I can tell you if they offer an unlocked version on launch day, mine will be going back to just so I can get one. But somehow I doubt they will be offering two versions. Unlocked bootloaders, Q4 WTF Moto get on it now.

Hmm went to best buy today. They said the d3 will be sold unlocked tomorrow? Interested to see if true.
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While I doubt it, IF true mine will be going back to Verizon so I can get an unlocked one.

True that. I can't wait to get to best buy tomorrow.
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True that. I can't wait to get to best buy tomorrow.
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Let us know. I did read that verizion will not sale a phone with a unlocked bootloader. That don't mean that other out lets can't like bestbuy.
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I saw on one of my pulse feeds that the DX2 got bootstrapped, so there's hope

Yes but we haven't rooted the d3 yet. And verizon fixed that comment. They said they will sell unlocked devices. It was on there twitter
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Yes but we haven't rooted the d3 yet. And verizon fixed that comment. They said they will sell unlocked devices. It was on there twitter
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They definitely said that unlocked bootloaders can be activated on their network... but did they say they will sell them??

I don't know. I hope they do
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I don't know. I hope they do
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who is going to best buy at midnight

Bionic vs vigor

How is the bionic treating u guy's ....im up in the air with this... cause i love my tbolt..but really wanted the bionic...but at the time it wasnt out so i got the tbolt cause i wanted to be grandfathered in the unlimited data plan...but now the bionic is out im thinking about it...but also rumors about the htc vigor a.k.a incredible HD is said to be out soon. So now im in a dilema..lmao.. I know the only difference between the 2 is generally is diffrent UI, diffrent screens and 1 ghz dual core and other has 1.5 dual core....But would like other ppl input. I know it's more on what's my personal preference, but would like some of u guy's input....... Thanks in advance
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I updated to the bionic from a thunderbolt and am very happy. I actually like the bionic screen better than the thunderbolts and the battery is
A little better. I really like the fact that I can see the display outside perfect. I am not sure if a am blind but I love the display and do not know why people complain about it. I bought the bionic thinking I would return it because I wanted the prime. I decided to keep it because it was the first phone I could use outside and see the display.
For what it is worth I will also be getting the prime when it comes out. I want to try it out and if I like it better the the bionic I will keep it.
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Love my Bionic as well, I really love the screen as said above. I couldn't see the thunderbolts display outdoors, I dont have that problem with the Bionic.
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The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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bigsapz said:
The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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I endorse most of this comment. You're asking us to compare a phone that is out to one that isn't. There is always going to be the next big thing...
I'd say it boils down to this- do you like HTC/sense or Moto/blur more? There is your answer.
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I got a Bionic to replace an ailing Charge with the intent to do exactly what you're describing and I very well may end up keeping it. I can't remember the last time I bought a phone and immediately formed the impression that this was a device that just might last the term of my contract.

I am coming from droid incredible.
I am planning to return my bionic right before the return window is up and wait for the Vigor.
I miss HTC sense wayyyy to much. I also dont like how when you pinch to zoom it doesnt auto fill text in the new window it just zooms in.
I can see diaplay outside which is nice but motorola just isnt for me. The zumocast hasnt worked so i cant comment about that except it doesnt work.
I think i was spoiled with HTC and Sense and dont like any other ui though.
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mistawolfe said:
I endorse most of this comment. You're asking us to compare a phone that is out to one that isn't. There is always going to be the next big thing...
I'd say it boils down to this- do you like HTC/sense or Moto/blur more? There is your answer.
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@mistawolfe....think u might have a good point....i never used Moto/blur.....the tbolt is my first android phone...right now it rooted and im not even running a sense rom on it...but i did like sense....but droidth3ory turned me over to ASOP Rom.....but i do like sense....maybe ill try it out and see if i like it. I have to buy it out right with no contract...can i return it if i dont like it in the 14 days even if i buy it out right?
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Coming from a tbolt it has been great. Screen, battery, & quality (of phone) are are better on bionic. Loved my D1, bolt failed me so was given bionic. I love that the extended battery doesn't add 3 lbs to phone. I'd love to get prime if/when that comes out for VZW, but who knows what will be out around christmas.
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@mistawolfe....think u might have a good point....i never used Moto/blur.....the tbolt is my first android phone...right now it rooted and im not even running a sense rom on it...but i did like sense....but droidth3ory turned me over to ASOP Rom.....but i do like sense....maybe ill try it out and see if i like it. I have to buy it out right with no contract...can i return it if i dont like it in the 14 days even if i buy it out right?
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I'm pretty sure the 14 days is standard regardless of how you buy it.
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Guess ill find out tomorrow ..lol
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I think the vigor will be the better phone, depends on how good the battery is. Everyone knows htc and their batteries.

buy it at bestbuy instead. they got a 30 day policy that aligns with verizon's 30 day cancellation

I love my bionic. Its the best phone i ever had. Very satisfied with it had a facinate before bionic

I love my Bionic.. I've used alot of droid phones but all were Motorola so I guess my opinion might be a bit biased but my brother likes HTC phones and I've used his here and there and I prefer Motorolas build quality over anything and the Bionic is fast and has good battery life... this may be the first phone to last the term of my contract ..
I say pull the trigger and see how you like it .. best advice you can honestly get ..
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bigsapz said:
The prime isn't coming to VZW and there's no official release date for the vigor. Get the bionic. You won't b disAppointed and you'll never keep up with technology anyway. Lol.
Some quad core 1080p display phone would drop right after you get the Vigor.
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I have a couple insider friends who 1 of which will be at the Sammy event this week. He states, "whoever said the Prime, or a form of it, isn't coming to Verizon is a complete moron". lol, I will put it this way, he has never been wrong, and a lot of the "leaked" shots that have come about from phones in the last 2 years have been him or someone he knew.

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I'm pretty sure the 14 days is standard regardless of how you buy it.
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If you buy it from Costco, you get 14 days to back out of the Verizon service (I might be wrong on this, could be 30), but 90 days to exchange the phone. I bought a Charge on July 3rd, exchanged it a few days later because I thought it was defective (turns out it just has a ****ty radio), and then exchanged it again for the Bionic a couple of weeks after it came out.

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I have a couple insider friends who 1 of which will be at the Sammy event this week. He states, "whoever said the Prime, or a form of it, isn't coming to Verizon is a complete moron". lol, I will put it this way, he has never been wrong, and a lot of the "leaked" shots that have come about from phones in the last 2 years have been him or someone he knew.
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Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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bigsapz said:
Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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You are wrong. It showed in the cellubrite systems. Familiar with black_man_x or p3droid? Black man works for google (formerly Verizon) and he confirmed it.
I'll bet you my paycheck. There are two versions. Read up more
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Well your brother looks like the moron Until something official comes out saYing it's going to Verizon. So far only a GSM model had been talked about. No CDMA
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I have seen at least 2 credible people say that it is coming to Verizon. One of those people seems to have a system dump of the Prime so it looks like you are still the moron.

Where is the Developing

Is anyone even seeing all the ports being done today? SG II and LG Optimus which is crap compared to the bionic cmon guys where is the love i understand Moto is not the most loved but man...

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Is anyone even seeing all the ports being done today? SG II and LG Optimus which is crap compared to the bionic cmon guys where is the love i understand Moto is not the most loved but man...
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its not that moto isnt loved, or the bionic isnt a good phone, its that the bootloader is still locked which hinders developers and developer support

yea i know about the bootloader it sucks but i dont want to buy nexus just because its a new phone and OS well have to sit tight no choice

I honestly am happy with the bionic right now. I would like the galaxy nexus, but I much prefer to buy mods for my car than a new phone every other month. I am going to sit with the bionic for a little while and wait. Hell a quad core phone is already in development from HTC. If I keep buying new phone ill be a poor man. The bionic is so much better than the thunderbolt that I don't care one had an unlocked bootloader and the other one doesn't. The bionic is a great phone.
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I honestly am happy with the bionic right now. I would like the galaxy nexus, but I much prefer to buy mods for my car than a new phone every other month. I am going to sit with the bionic for a little while and wait. Hell a quad core phone is already in development from HTC. If I keep buying new phone ill be a poor man. The bionic is so much better than the thunderbolt that I don't care one had an unlocked bootloader and the other one doesn't. The bionic is a great phone.
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i do agree with u on the bionic being a great phone but Moto is always the same with the bootloaders dude if it didnt have it locked i would stay for it for a lonnnggg time but idk

Locked Bootloaders are only aren't the end of the world. If you wanted an unlocked bootloader, why didn't you get the LG Revolution because its unlocked. The fact is that the bionic is locked and already has more roms than the revolution which is unlocked.
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Spoke with VZW Today about ICS and Bionic

Called VZW today to replace my Bionic due to a Charging issue with the device. After informing (Tech Support Rep) aka the department that issues out replacement phones that my Bionic once plugged onto the charger it discharges. in order to get the battery to charge i have to do a "battery pull" at least twice. Last week I went into a VZW store thinking it was my extended battery had it replaced for a new one and still the same issue persist. After explaining this the Rep shipped out a replacement. He seemed pretty cool through out the conversation so I went ahead and asked about the Bionic and Android 4.0 and how upset I was that last week I read a post online that the list of Verizon phones to get ICS and the Bionic wasn't on that list mind you I also have a Xoom LTE so I threw that out there too!! so then he said hold on let me look, he didn't place me on hold i could hear him typing away i guess looking for the info on his end and he confirmed that the Bionic will be getting ICS indeed and so will the Xoom LTE be he didn't say when. let's see how much of this is true.......I wish i had something more solid to give you guys I tried!!!!!!

Well there is a soak test going on
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/04/3...ers/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Anyone in on this? We can dream can't we? Lol
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Thanks for the link I wasn't lucky enough to get the E mail invite
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No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
CR

Ehh your right out forums are dead ill try to hop on more. Maybe one day I will make a full post about it, but man, waiting for the Bionic since it was announced in january, then just to have the RAZR released right after it? A kick in the ass indeed.....
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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lhkjohn said:
No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
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cordripper said:
that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
CR
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
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As a follow up to how much I love to hate on MOTO and VZW for a lot of what they have done, I still would not switch from either company. Before the Bionic, I had a Droid X for a year and loved every minute of it. I never had any issues (I wasn't rooting and messing around at that point). The reason I got into the rooting/ROM side of things was because the Bionic had so much bloatware and such terrible battery life that I hoped most could be fixed with a new ROM. On both fronts, yes, Liberty did miracles. But even with the extended battery, my expectations of the phone's performance have not been entirely met. In some light messing around with a friend's RAZR MAXX during the last couple of months, I have found that it is more similar to the X than the Bionic; lighter on the bloatware and heavier on the performance. MOTO also has all the accessories that HTC and Samsung don't. With both the X and the Bionic, the navigation is stellar. I use the windshield mount almost everyday which correct me if I'm wrong, is not offered by the other companies. I have also heard that Samsung's, and seen that HTC's phones do not have a reliable GPS. Finally, with Google's acquisition of MOTO Mobility nearing completion, I would hope that the developers at Google will work to streamline BLUR in the near future.

I totally agree with you CR
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I received the update to participate in the soak test yesterday. They have not pushed the test out yet as of 11:30 am CST..

This is all fine and dandy to wish for but realize this Droid Bionic, Love It! is soon to leave Verizon phone lineup due to its shortness of inventory and all the wonderful fascinating new devices that are out or coming...Do you really think the Evil Empire will actually give a new O/S to what they call an outdated device! Its just not good financial business to them! And how many times before have they "changed their minds" due to their financial gains, oh, but only to better our customer experience!

Atrix HD

Looks like the next Atrix is coming soon, looks interesting, although I don't like the non-removable battery (looks like it may be like the RAZR).
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix_hd_for_at_t_becomes_official-news-4480.php

lilhaiti said:
Looks like the next Atrix is coming soon, looks interesting, although I don't like the non-removable battery (looks like it may be like the RAZR).
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not worthy since it has got more smaller battery than atrix 2 ...what is with motorola ...atrix had 1930mah battery... atrix 2 has 1780mah ...nd now atrix hd 1700mah only ...plus a 4.5inch hd screen ....its a downgrade ...nd with dimensions 133.5 x 69.9 x 8.4 htc one x is better nd at least it has full 4.7 inch screen with capacitive buttons compare to atrix hd with no buttons

If the bootloader is unlockable, it'll still have the "one up" on the ATRIX 2. Just sayin'...
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I seriously doubt the Bootloader will be unlockable

If the bootloader is locked or unlocked it is still a good looking phone and the specs for this phone are not that bad at all. I would like to see one hands on before making a final judgment call on it.
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Which board is use on the atrix hd.same as atrix 2 omap4430?
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Which board is use on the atrix hd.same as atrix 2 omap4430?
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Engadget posted that it would use a 1.5ghz dual core with LTE so i think its the snapdragon S4.
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Apex_Strider said:
If the bootloader is unlockable, it'll still have the "one up" on the ATRIX 2. Just sayin'...
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bootloader will be locked ..... i can say that 4 sure considering its motorola nd if priced well like atrix 2 than it will be awesome phone compared to atrix 2

Ok, so I asked some of my handset design guys at att and what I am being told is that this is AT&T's version of the RAZR, and late to the game as usual.
The bootloader is locked, and it is the same style lock as the A2 in that it is not going to be unlock-able with an e-fuse like the RAZR was, oh and the rumor is that they (AT&T) will not release a dev version of the phone, just like the A2.

jimbridgman said:
Ok, so I asked some of my handset design guys at att and what I am being told is that this is AT&T's version of the RAZR, and late to the game as usual.
The bootloader is locked, and it is the same style lock as the A2 in that it is not going to be unlock-able with an e-fuse like the RAZR was, oh and the rumor is that they (AT&T) will not release a dev version of the phone, just like the A2.
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Figures... rotten ol' Moto!
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Figures... rotten ol' Moto!
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Not Moto, but AT&T that is in charge of this fubar.
That is the thing, if you notice most of the time there is a way to unlock most phones on the Verizon network, and almost always on T-mo and sprint, but AT&T is VERY funny about being more locked down. That is one reason they are always late to the game, they do NOT want anyone to have access to the kernel or radio for fear of reaking havoc on their network.
Go figure!

jimbridgman said:
Not Moto, but AT&T that is in charge of this fubar.
That is the thing, if you notice most of the time there is a way to unlock most phones on the Verizon network, and almost always on T-mo and sprint, but AT&T is VERY funny about being more locked down. That is one reason they are always late to the game, they do NOT want anyone to have access to the kernel or radio for fear of reaking havoc on their network.
Go figure!
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Either way, I would have never planned on buying the Atrix HD simply because the battery is non-removable. That is a giant no-no in my book, especially considering how battery-hungry today's smartphones are.

jimbridgman said:
Not Moto, but AT&T that is in charge of this fubar.
That is the thing, if you notice most of the time there is a way to unlock most phones on the Verizon network, and almost always on T-mo and sprint, but AT&T is VERY funny about being more locked down. That is one reason they are always late to the game, they do NOT want anyone to have access to the kernel or radio for fear of reaking havoc on their network.
Go figure!
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I was under the impression that it was Moto who was the entity behind making the bootloader unable to be unlockable. So, I guess AT&T and Moto are in cahoots in keeping things as "developer unfriendly" as they possibly can?
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Apex_Strider said:
I was under the impression that it was Moto who was the entity behind making the bootloader unable to be unlockable. So, I guess AT&T and Moto are in cahoots in keeping things as "developer unfriendly" as they possibly can?
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Yeah sort of....
Remember that in the US the carriers have all the power, and the hardware makers get the "privilege" of being allowed to design and release thier phone for the Wireless companies.
There was a link I posted many moons ago on how AT&T brings a phone to market, and how the request for a phone with certain features is sent out to all of thier vedor supply chains, and then they get a mockup back with a basic spec sheet, then from that they decide which one (vendor) fits the bill best. Then they refine the final requirements and it gets a final prototype built.
The above is the reason all the carriers carry "similar" phones with different names and some different features.
Here is the link again:
Part 1:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/15/how-an-atandt-smartphone-comes-to-life-behind-the-scenes-part-on/
Part 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/how-an-atandt-smartphone-comes-to-life-behind-the-scenes-part-tw/

jimbridgman said:
Yeah sort of....
Remember that in the US the carriers have all the power, and the hardware makers get the "privilege" of being allowed to design and release thier phone for the Wireless companies.
There was a link I posted many moons ago on how AT&T brings a phone to market, and how the request for a phone with certain features is sent out to all of thier vedor supply chains, and then they get a mockup back with a basic spec sheet, then from that they decide which one (vendor) fits the bill best. Then they refine the final requirements and it gets a final prototype built.
The above is the reason all the carriers carry "similar" phones with different names and some different features.
Here is the link again:
Part 1:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/15/how-an-atandt-smartphone-comes-to-life-behind-the-scenes-part-on/
Part 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/17/how-an-atandt-smartphone-comes-to-life-behind-the-scenes-part-tw/
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Makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying!

Does anyone know why Moto didn't release a razr maxx like battery too?

Well from my understanding... the atrix hd will be just fine with the battery it has in it... look at the HTC one X it has a lil bigger battery inside and i mean just ever so bigger, and runs all day no prob. the s4 CPU uses less power and pack a bigger punch. i would know i own one. but if you can go into a store and check one out i would. they are pretty cool!

looks nice i rly enjoyed the og atrix so many roms now my dad has it. longest i ever kept a phone.

nfc?
guys any idea if the atrix hd supports nfc?