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LG eating itself alive with Nexus 4

Google and LG most likely make NO money from selling the Nexus 4 at the $299 pricepoint. The Nexus 4 is identical to the Optimus G, which is suppose to be LG's cash cow. Same proc, same screen. Tbe build actually looks nicer on the Nexus 4. The camera is a wash since the 13MP one sucks and the 8MP is identical on both. So literally the only difference is whether you want LTE or not. Is LTE (and a subjectively much uglier design) worth $200+ price premium for the Optimus G? The Nexus 4 also has pure Android which is also a big plus, So why is LG releasing the (much better) Nexus 4 at a no-profit price and undercutting their cash cow the Optimus G? They are barely making squat right now in the mobile phone space. This makes no business sense.

I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Improving their brand image while simultaneously getting their brand name out there?
While not entirely the same, you could argue that with the Galaxy Nexus, it was fighting with the S2 and a little bit of the S3.
Yet Samsung managed to really make their push during that time period. People have tons of horror stories when it comes to LG. If they play their cards right with these devices, they'll have a much brighter future.
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The Xiaomi Mi2 will also be selling at a loss ($310 vs a cost of $370), and has pretty much identical specs as the Nexus 4. I think they can manage to break even overall, especially with most sales going to the 16 GB version.

florelui001p said:
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Google pays for it, and then they sell it to us with expensive taxes via Google Play :B

I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.

datwunkid said:
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
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They sure are!
I will mostly likely be dropping the iPhone ecosystem for Android because of the Nexus 4 come November 13th. Eventually I will also convince others who rely on my smartphone knowledge on what to buy to get the Nexus 4. So it has done its job even if Google isn't making a profit off of the hardware. They will eventually make profit off of me from the Google Play content I (and many others I convince) purchase.
Excellent post datwunkid :good:

I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost. You also have to factor in that the retail cost of some phones have carrier markup added in as well so that they can make some extra $$$ off people buying off contract. They're probably selling it close to cost and the Nexus line isn't really a big seller to begin with so nobody's really losing a boatload of money here. LG gets to have their name attached to what is looking to be an incredible Android phone (and DEAD SEXY!!!) which will get them back into the good graces of some of the Android fans out there. Also remember Google is an ad company - selling phones for profit isn't where they're making the lion's share of their money and while I'm sure they care somewhat about how well this device does, it'll barely have any effect on their bottom line.

Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...

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Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
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You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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It makes sense for LG to do it at little to no profit because releasing the phone would help their market and image in the long run if the phone is a success. Google is baking on the consumers to buy apps, books, music, and magazines from their store.

giant22000 said:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper.
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Have you been drinking tonight by any chance? Your post has me curious :laugh:

Borteeo said:
You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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Think of it this way. When it comes to building a pc, you can't build one as cheap as you can buy one from one of the big boys. Plain and simple, they buy parts by the 1000's. These parts are heavily discounted at a contracted, negotiated price when bought this way.
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.

y would you complain about something like this though. the price is a good thing :good:

No complaining here! I'm totally stoked about it's price point. Best bang for the buck bar-none in my book! Can't wait to order...

I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
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Still I disagree about $50, there are actual documented break down of iPhone 4S hardware cost, is around $180, though the 5 is cheaper. Give the chinese slaves a break.
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Well here is the news Google partnered with lg because of the price as they are the only one who agreed to make phone at this price level. Its also get back lg to the market, despite their products are cool but their developers are sucks, lazy people wouldnt work on old devices to bring latest os so people like me promised won't buy lg product ever again, other company like Sony and Samsung refused Google to make smartphone with this spec for this price. But who cares about the partner as long as Google controls the os. I'm getting this as soon as it goes live for sale.
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Maybe Samsung doesn't want to create any more nexus phone just because of this. Their Galaxy S line and Note line will be ruined.
The same thing happens with the nexus 10, which is cheaper and FAR more specwise than note 10.1
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qreffie said:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost.
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The iPhone 5 costs about 200$ (16gb I think). I don't think the Nexus will cost much more. So, Google will get money out of this
Google was earning money even with the 16gb a 249$

I you think it costs them that money to make a phone you are mistaken.
I have seen retail buy in prices for handsets in bulk, and those would raise your eye brows!
so manufacturing prices would be much less.

Does the bargain price of the Nexus 4 make it less exclusive??

I was talking to one of my buddies here at work who is also an Android Freak like myself and we were discussing about how Google and LG can sell such a device packing what it does for $299 or $349.
It's seems like it has really beautiful build quality also, while Samsung sells a plastic dual core S3 with half the RAM, lower resolution screen for double the price!
Don't get me wrong, I am both happy and sad that the phone is so damn cheap. Glad because it is so dirt cheap that I can buy it as a backup phone to my Note 2 and just not worry about it falling and breaking or whatever. Replacing just the LCD on my Note 2 would probably pay for the whole Nexus 4!
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
I know this post seems a bit ridiculous, but that's something that is bugging me a little about the device. What do you guys think? A little something inside kinda wish Google priced this device similar to the Galaxy Nexus. I think it would have been more special to me. Am I crazy?

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Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks.
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Just because people are excited, you're assuming they're 13? Right...
... and imo, the price does not make it any less exclusive.

You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
In any case, mainstream smartphones, like all technology, will always be getting less exclusive. If exclusivity is of import, the Tag Heuer Android phones look quite sharp, but probably will be behind on the OS curve...

Setting aside the ridiculousness of caring about exclusivity, your work colleagues likely got sticker-shock because they don't know much about the cellphone market. I'm sure they don't think of the iPhone as an "exclusive" device, and yet it's in the same range as the Note 2 off-contract. The Nexus 4 may not be a monetarily exclusive device, but it's still going to have limited sales due to the number of people who are informed enough about their options to pick one up.
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linj said:
You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
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Front-to-front. The back's the best-looking part, after all; and the part that displays the ever-important logos.

You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.

You say less exclusive... I say more support.

How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).

No, it makes it lighter on my wallet. I don't care how many other people have it as long as I do.

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To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't agree.
[13 yr old comment]If you want to feel special, maybe get it from the TMo store or import it. [/13 yr old comment]
The price is being subsidized. Just making it easier to reach more people. This way el goog can make even more money with mobile ad revenue.

Euler MD said:
You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.

If having exclusivity means paying $1000 dollars, I'll take a less exclusive phone any day for $350

You think $500+ phones are exclusive? You'll find more Note 2s and iPhones than N4.
That said, the more the N4s out there, the more accessories there will be for it. And thats always a good thing.

tgyberg said:
How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
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This. I only know one girl outside of XDA that even knows what the Nexus line is.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
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Perhaps. Google may keep production low for the first wave after watching previous launches. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the popularity of this phone due to the lack of LTE, expandable storage, and maybe inadequate battery. Those of us looking to buy the phone can only hope that it is either not that popular or that Google didn't lower production.

Dan37tz said:
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
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You know what I got from reading this? That you need to feel special/better than your friends. That's no reason to jack up the price of a phone.

Tell you what, I'll buy mine, then sell it to you for $859.99, that'll really blow your colleagues out of the water! Or how about avoiding the faux pas of bragging about how much money you spent on a cell phone. Hell, if anything I'll be showing my friends this phone and telling them how cheap it was. Look at this thing, it's awesome, and cost half the price of your NoteII!

Dan37tz said:
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't see anything wrong of a 13 year old can save up and purchase this device, it allows a younger audience to own a modern smartphone without the hefty price tag. Exclusivity to one type of group (in this case being age) isn't somthing company's want for their products, and if they lure in the younger users with the low price tag, that means more marketshare for them. The nexus 4 isn't a fashion item like more popular phones such as the iPhone, or even the galaxy s3, it's made for contract free or value plan customers who want a fast phone for a reasonable price.

Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/

Who cares? Does it matter if the phone is not as "exclusive" as you would like?
It's an amazing phone at a great price, it will further push the Android ecosystem.
If you want exclusive, stick with foreign imports of obscure devices.

Foxy Roxy said:
Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
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I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago

bfspider said:
I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
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XD I just did few minutes ago.

What's The Catch!

Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.

It's not that this phone is cheap, it's that unlocked phones are CRAZY overpriced.
There is no catch, Google wants to get consumers away from carrier control and push their Android ecosystem. Win/win for them.

sharpinator said:
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.

They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.

DanielBeaver said:
I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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Probably pushing stock android and android development. Google isn't looking to get a profit on the phone, but they are looking to get a profit on what you do with the phone (aka: search).

DanielBeaver said:
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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That's very interesting Daniel. It kind of sounds like how Sony sold the ps3 at a much lower price than it should be sold. They were losing money to push blu ray so maybe google are selling a really "affordable" High end phone to push android that one step further than iPhone.

Its Google flexing a little, its all about market share so break even is fine. Im aliitle concerned about when motorola takes the lead, though that could be a year or two away. no complaints if they want to give me a break. Im on t-Mobile too so no big deal LTE.

The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug

GoreTan said:
Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
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I suppose the glass breaking could be an issue but then again I treat my phones like the crown jewels so I doubt that would be a huge problem for me. Also being in the UK on three I get decent HSPA speeds so the lack of LTE or 4G is absolutely irrelevant to me and most of the UK. The faster phones processors are getting the faster web browsing is with 3g anyway so I'm not fussed for 4g at the moment.

Right, they want Android everywhere and this is how Android wins eventually..not to mention it costs them squat per phone to build..
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So it's a marketing ploy to really push android. I'm fine with that As long as they weren't sacrificing any quality with the phone. This is surely exciting. I hope I can get one as soon as possible. I'm a huge phone geek (well that's obvious being on XDA as we all are) and I've never seen anyone with a Nexus device in the UK so I think it will be great If people in the UK will start getting them. I've always been with sense so vanilla will be a completely new experience.

I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise

espionage724 said:
I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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haha I'm so glad no one has said it. It barely matters to anyone outside of the US!

As great as this price is to get Android out into the world more, I just have a feeling that since the phone is only being sold on the play store for the (majority of people to buy) I am concerned that if they dont go all out on commercials (which they should of started with already IMO) then I have a feeling that they wont get many new people buying the phone.

sharpinator said:
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Not sure there's a catch. I don't like the glass back. Seems like they're copying Apple. I also don't ;like how you can't remove the battery. They wear out after a while.
I hope hope hope that they improved the camera. When the Galaxy Nexus was released, it was promised that it took pictures instantly. This was an improvement from my older Androids which used to take 2-5 seconds to focus and snap a pic. However, the camera on the Galaxy Nexus was weak as hell. Grainy and blurry in low light and only 5 MP..
Most likely, Google is making a limited profit with this device because they just want to get it out there.

tweaked said:
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
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That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the bulk of their profit from Android is based on the play store. Lower the cost of phones, get them in to the hands of more people, and in turn the people buy more apps from the play store. There's their profit:thumbup:
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Cost for making an iPhone 5 is $389.XX. Read it in the Time magazine. This may answer the question.

Its not marketing.. its just how they do money. Google is the second most profitable company in the world. And now of that was accomplished by selling hardware. Selling hardware at cost that boosts their income method is the best way to stay in "what they best". Plus it has some perks like happy customers, injected competition and market confidence.
On the other side of the medal, you have apple, the most profitable company in the world, that makes their money on high margin.
Both ways are legit ways to make money, but me, personally I prefer the half priced one

No, catch. Like what others have posted Google wants people using their ecosystem.
I think its great they are pricing it at cost probably, I'm sure there is profit but very little. I'm tiredof carriers and manufacturers raping customers with their crazy markups.
I've never had my phone battery go bad on me. The battery is easily accessible via 2 screws on bottom of phone, no biggie.
LTE is not really a deal breaker for me, I'm in las Vegas and get 14mbps on T-mobiles faux G.
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Did Nexus 4 really just sold out faster than iPhone 5?

I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo

3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.

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3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:

hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.

lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.

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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong

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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity

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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market

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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.

I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.

This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million

marketing stunt
Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.

They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.

I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.

I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job

Why Teens Don't Need a Smartphone

Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen a smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/

Super2cool said:
Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen an iPhone or some other smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/
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Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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gagdude said:
Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.

Super2cool said:
True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.
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Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.

Well, brace yourselves, here comes a 16 year olds opinion. What my dad did was get me a plan, but I had to buy the phone. It was great because it taught me some responsibility and gave me some leeway. Please don't lock your kid down from having a social life, also don't let him buy an iPhone. And yes, this nexus 4 was paid for in while by me. As where my previous 3 phones.
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Beartax said:
I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.
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Well, the thing is even dumb phones can text, so in order to prevent that you need to not let your child have a phone at all.
Or just good parenting
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Let me tell you one thing. When I was in hs we all had blackberries and iphones 3g. Yes there were those kid who were into drama and stuff and non stop texting and they don't learn anything but there good uses for 15 year old to have a cell.
Although I don't condone cheating Google the answer to capital of new York is better than guessing a wrong answer because you'll know and remember rather than go on not knowing.
The other is for communication. Especially after what happened in Connecticut you child needs to call out or if they go out and get peer pressured to do something bad, they can call a friend to come or call you to pick them up before they are guilty by association.
Last reason is that bullying. We want the best phones and kid like to make fun of others who are less fortunate then they are. When you get older you view being bullying differently but could be devastating for a teen who hasn't experienced the adult world.
Smartphone for teen. Lab top or PC. Yes
Tablet and brand new car. Get a job!
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gagdude said:
Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy

Buddy you'll be shocked that lots of decent developers here on xda-developers are teen. I myself started symbian development at the age of 17. So I think it's best not to generalize teens.

I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.

If they work for it that is great, but if a teenager wants something enough they can make money to get it
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Super2cool said:
The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy
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Learn the magic of ROMs, boy. The Nexus S didn't even get the 4.2 update, but voila! A few days after the N4 was released, 4.2 ROM!
Also, if your kid isn't really like the teens on xda, he probably won't know or care about software updates.
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As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...

4ktvs said:
I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate

Super2cool said:
I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate
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Tell your son that. Let him choose the plan and the phone as long as he pays for it. You will have to make sure he doesn't get some crap China phone that'll break in a day, but otherwise it's all up to him to find the best deals etc.
Good luck to you, lol aren't you the OP who are you saying good luck to
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4ktvs said:
I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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Exactly. A phone basically should have thing in mine, to get in contact with some1 when they are doing a lot of work. Something was when I first got a job, my parents got me a phone so I could makes calls when I wasn't in school.
Since upgrading to a smartphone, its more than just a phone, you can access the internet with it and it can be a huge distraction, but its so much better then most phones out there.
To give your son a smartphone is a big resposibility, but something I learned is you gotta work to earn it, cant just give it for no work. f he has good grades and shows responsibility with it, then he deserves it. If he starts to show hes slacking behind, then its trouble

Felimenta97 said:
As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...
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Dam.
You must not take a lot of notes cause I am sure you could write much faster than typing on that tiny keyboard.

I bought my teenage daughter a cheap laptop. Put k9 browser on it, an old refurbed iPod 2nd Gen and locked the iTunes store and safari, and then put k9 on it too. She has a dumb phone to call in emergencies and text her friends with. The locks at 8pm and if I see that her grades are slipping the phone and iPod become mine again. If I see she is spending all her time in front of a TV or computer theybget turned off and she goes outside.
That being said she is in Beta club. Gets A's and B's and has as much of a social life as she needs. She also won her class's physical fitness award. The place I spoil her is I let her do some name brand shopping for clothes. As long as I approve.
All in all we have our disagreements but she "gets by" lol.
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WhySoSerious_058 said:
has as much of a social life as she needs.
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You actually manage her social life? That's not something I would really look over, unless I know she's with gangsters or drug dealers or whatever. Getting a tad personal there.
(Likewise, I don't look at my son's texts unless I suspect something)
Not judging your parenting, just giving my perspective
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