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I've noticed a pattern lately.
1. There has been a large influx of new people that disregard the walkthroughs, wikis and don't know how to search.
2. Our older members have been getting shorter and shorter tempers when it comes to answering n00bs who ask the same questions that have been answered a million times.
So, what are we to do?
The older members need to realize that not everybody is good at using the search feature, which is why I will be writing a walkthrough here. They also need to be a bit more patient with those who genuinely seem to be lost. For those who just don't read, go ahead and flame them. Or at least just give them a link to something and make them read it themselves, that way they feel like "oh... I could've found that myself. Next time, I think I'll search."
How to search:
I understand that the search feature seems somewhat useless because when one searches for say, "how to flash", one gets 20 pages of random things.
So, here are the basics on finding what you need:
Step 1: Check the stickies. The first posts on every forum that say Sticky are posts that were stickied to the top of the forum for a reason. These tend to have all the information you need that people ask often.
Step 2: Know the organization of the forums. I know they're a little crazy. Do you check Herald or Herald upgrading or Herald mobile 6. Usually, if it's related to Window Mobile 6, stick to the Mobile 6 forum.
Step 3: Wikis: If you look at the Herald forum, you'll notice a sticky about the Herald wiki. A wiki, is just that. A wiki. You'll find ALL kinds of useful info.
Step 4: When you search:
Limit your words to ideas. "How to flash" is nice, but "Flashing" or "flash" will do fine.
Words have to be at least 4 letters for it to search for them. Thus "how" and "to" are ignored.
Search titles only first for "how to"s before searching through an entire post. Chances are someone may have already asked the question.
If someone tells you to search for a walkthrough that they wrote, use the find threads by user and find posts by user feature. They're basically telling you everything you need to know to find it.
Ok, so you found a million threads on flashing. Now you see that if you click on thread one, it's not about flashing but it has about 1,300 posts. How can you read EVERY single one of them. When you do a search, if you narrow it down to show results as threads, you'll get the posts themselves that have the words you're looking for an not a thread which mentions "flashing" somewhere in the 1158th post.
One thing, READ EVERY POST, not just the posts that are replies to you. This happens often:
OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?
1P: What are you trying to flash?
2P: It's impossible. I'm sorry, but ZOMG teh Best ROM was made for HTC's ROFLCOPTER!!!!111 and you have a HTC Normal.
OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?
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3P: I can try to help you. What kind of phone do you have?
3P: I can try to help you. What kind of phone do you have?
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OP:Awesome thanks!
2P: It's impossible.
OP: Why isn't it working?
2P:
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This doesn't really talk about the treatment of new people.. but does give a good positive solution which probably will be ignored or forgotten.
it seems quite a few of the people here tend to be jerks to newer people.
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thankx ivanmmj. Indeed a good workthrough
I agree with you abt the newbies. And i seen proof of some circumstances too. Actually for the past 3 days, whenever i check for new post, i find one or two newbie everyday asking mostly abt HOW TO UNLOCK and WHERE TO GET THE ORIGINAL SHIPPED ROMS.
And most of them seem genuinely lost. Sometimes newbies tend to get worried or too excited to check on the search tool. I mean, it isnt everyday that you purchase a new Pocket PC, and then you find out its SIM LOCKED and so on.
And since internet is the answer, we somehow stumble upon this forum and quickly tend to ask question, rather than check on the forum features/threads. Some of us are not the same on that factor.
So its in my suggestion that we create a separate forum for these special areas of need and of Original Shipped Roms page. But anyways this is jus an idea.
And yes abt how newbies are treated, i guess it wud be a lot easier that we direct them to the correct thread with the advice of search tool, instead of blaming anyone to JUST use search tool. I mean, they are newbies, how can they jus know which term to specifically search or how credible a search result is. And a post to the right direction for a newbie, minimizes them from posting again and again and again. It really helps!!!!
yeah Im a jerk...
thx
good to know
I really dont see any point in this "walkthrough"
Dont get me wrong here, its a good idea, but a old one
NO MATTER how many guides, rules, walkthroughs w/e anyone try to make, the socalled nOOb thing will always be present.
Its been tried before, here, and in thousands of other forums
PPL wants quickfix, they dont wanna search, they want us to personally guide them or walk them through everything.
If we make a BIG flashing announcement, most ppl will never care to read. They come to get something cool and leave. They come back if there is a error or a bug and flame us, many times in pm and on msn.
I have considered remove my msn from xda, but I dont because I occationally get some nice contacts.
Since I joined xda, my pm inbox has a couple thousand pm's, half is what I consider junk...
If we are such jerks, then just stay away from our work and our threads, go to those who answer all your questions with a wagging tail.
I have spendt so many hours on this that I dont even wanna think about it, and I get accused that I do it for fame, glory, and w/e
I DONT CARE
you wanna know why I keep releasing builds here after I got my kaiser? I do it because there is some friends here that have asked if I could continue.
I could easily put my roms in private network, but I choose to share what I do, for free....
So if thats beeing a jerk, then im happy to be one. I would rather be a jerk then the opposite.
have a nice day
ayyu3m said:
thankx ivanmmj. Indeed a good workthrough
I agree with you abt the newbies. And i seen proof of some circumstances too. Actually for the past 3 days, whenever i check for new post, i find one or two newbie everyday asking mostly abt HOW TO UNLOCK and WHERE TO GET THE ORIGINAL SHIPPED ROMS.
And most of them seem genuinely lost. Sometimes newbies tend to get worried or too excited to check on the search tool. I mean, it isnt everyday that you purchase a new Pocket PC, and then you find out its SIM LOCKED and so on.
And since internet is the answer, we somehow stumble upon this forum and quickly tend to ask question, rather than check on the forum features/threads. Some of us are not the same on that factor.
So its in my suggestion that we create a separate forum for these special areas of need and of Original Shipped Roms page. But anyways this is jus an idea.
And yes abt how newbies are treated, i guess it wud be a lot easier that we direct them to the correct thread with the advice of search tool, instead of blaming anyone to JUST use search tool. I mean, they are newbies, how can they jus know which term to specifically search or how credible a search result is. And a post to the right direction for a newbie, minimizes them from posting again and again and again. It really helps!!!!
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Ditto.
I have noticed the flaming as well, not just in the herald forum, but in others as well. It is unfortunate and it is my hope that it'll change. I more or less just post the link or post number and move on.
I completely agree with you and totally support Ivanmmj's efforts to minimize countless and repetitive posts requesting/asking the same questions on multiple threads. I, as well as every other "senior" and experienced "junior" member were once nOObs. Regardless, Ivanmmj's efforts are applauded and I thank you.
ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.
I can truly understand your frustration, but we (senior, juniors, gurus, gurus in-training, even nOObs) truly need to remain positive and objective instead of flaming or blaming. All I want to do is be a support and encourage what you're good at and enjoy (here, lol).
Just thinking if the search could be predominate on the page -- like a huge search box in red or something ???? Then maybe people would use it.
I personally do my best to help people, and always try to steer them clear of PMing or IMing ITJE... because I know how "annoying" it can be to receive thousands of messages from people on here asking the simplest questions.
ITJE, everyone here appreciates your work, and I hate to see you get upset because of a couple of idiots who piss you off when you work so hard for us expecting nothing in return. So let me take this time to apologize on behalf of everyone here and thank you on behalf of everyone for all of your efforts.
It is most certainly true what you say that the n00b will always be present, so I think that the rest of us, need to take those situations and help them n00bs hence alleviating ITJE's responsibility from doing so. It's obvious that most people don't like to read everything and search for answers when it's always easier to ask ask ask.... but in my opinion, that's the whole basis of XDA ... to help others. So basically, what we need to do is a community effort.
All the n00bsout there, PLEASE PLEASE help us, by trying to help yourselves first. We want to help you, we will help you, but you need to do your part in helping us help you. All the information you could ever need is located in this forum.
USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION ON THE FORUM OR USE THE GOOGLE SEARCH of the site in order to search for solutions to your issues.
To the Seniors and Juniors out there, we need to try to be more patient with n00bs... going back and remembering how WE at some point were in that same position. Let's not forget the whole premise of why this site exists and continues to excel in its purpose.
To the COOKS who donate your time, effort, and expertise. Thank you. While some people, primarily because of ignorance, may not appreciate your efforts, please know that we who have been here and know your efforts, whole-heartedly appreciate you and everything you contribute. If it weren't for you, this website wouldn't exist. I know it must be terribly frustrating to have everyone criticizing, complaining and it may feel like they are pissing on your work which you donate selflessly to this site, but know that the majority of us do in fact appreciate what you do more than we express to you.
The search function on this forum is just plain terrible. Either that or I don't know how to search and will look forward to the walkthrough. But even displaying posts instead of threads does not help very much.
My two cents for those trying to search....use google instead and add "site:forum.xda-developers.com" in the search box. At least those results are easier to look through.
ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.
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Is that a hint, like..piss off (edit: I AM joking )
jk
I never said I would do that, I said the opposite.
I said I am a jerk cause im staying here.
I dont see what some call flaming of newbees
Its a reaction to lazyness
when sollutions is posted in the post #1 and 2, or maybe 3....written in big letters, and in a thread counting 40-50 replies, the same question is asked in about 10% or more, maybe even asked 1 or 2 pages after the answer or/and the sollution, then..well...
Maybe im not the most patient guy in the world, and I certainly have not tried to be either, but usually I try my best to provide the help I can or am able/willing to give.
And about that "Made it clear why im here thing"
Im here to share my work with all who wants it.
When I got my Kaiser/Tytn2, I decided tomove over there with my work, and sell off my herald. But I was convinced to stay and continue do some work.
And no one can say that I was not called a jerk, cause yes, I obviously do "flame" the socalled nOObs.
Most of it are sarcastic, but its also the truth.
I dont accept that my threads are spammed with 50% bull**** and the same questions over and over.
No matter what I write..Dont spam, read before you ask, use search through google/xda w/e
PPL DONT SEE IT
The jump clear cause they are lazy, they see the message, READ THIS, but they dont.
If I in.ex write like this, on top of the release:
There is a bug with MMS in this release, I am working on it.
Then there will be atleast 5-6 ppl saying MMS is not working, and telling me the rom is unstable because of this
Hell, I even had a guy typing in biggest letters available
WARNING DONT USE THIS ROM, INTERNETSHARING IS NOT WORKING (something like that)
I respect all who wants to contribute, to share what they know.
I respect those who dont know anything, but hangs around, download w/e and use w/e is posted here.
I do NOT respect ppl who comes in and claim they have used search, and not found anything.
Maybe my searchbutton is the only one working, cause sometimes when ppl claim they have been using search, and could not find anything. I tested and did same search and got many hits within 3-5 posts, and found what they had searched for with no problem....
I do not respect ppl whos first and second post is about the flaws in a rom they just downloaded
"I have been around for many years and know my way around the forums, and I know how to find stuff" and they got a postcount that say 5, and they ask questions that makes me wonder if they have a teflon brain, cause if you have been around xda for a long time, and dont even know how to soft and hard reset, then....
I might seam angry in what I have written, or sad, or w/e
Im not
Im just amazed..
cause im a jerk
Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. . He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy . Just joking.
I lately tend to simply ignore questions which I'm sure I have seen a few pages ago or very very close at the beginning.
I fully agree with Itje that it is pure laziness if somebody says he read the thread or spent some time in solving his problems
if the solution to the question is written in the first, second or third post or maybe still on the first page.
It feels like a slap in the face and has the taste of a being lied to, so I rather ignore those person/question and
wish that others who once asked the same question jump in for help and give something back to the forum.
That's the spirit of this forum.
PS: I dont like flaming either, but often it's totally understandable, but still it's wrong.
No offense.. but i've been around here for a long time. I don't post a lot, but I do a lot of reading. I also have been active on many many different boards. What gets me about this board and many others is that some people think they have a whole bunch of clout just because the post a lot.. well whoopty freakin doo..
In regards to the search subject: searching here is a pain in the arse. Nobody's topics are clear, and you can describe what you are looking for in a million different ways. So, what you are trying to fix will not be fixed. The only thing that would be lovely to see change would be to see the flamers come down off their high forum poster horses and join the rest of us on Earth.
Start flame now...
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To follow up with my claims about topics.. here is an example that caused me to ask for help. This topic:
Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL
Ok.. so I had done Open Touch 2.3 or something and taken a few weeks from reading the forums and I come back and Open Touch 2.7 was just an NBH file.. so i read the wiki, which leads you to dead links, or at least it did that week when I was trying to figure this out. But here is my issue with that topic.. I look at that I and I think.. "Flashing Aserg" In my mind I think, that's not for me, I don't want or even know what ASERG is, nor USPL nor Hard SPL.. I'm looking for "NBH" right?? Nothing helpful came up. Try searching in the Herald forum for "how to flash nbh" see what you get... unless it's a very specific string you are looking for, good luck.
A fix to that topic? how bout: Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing --using-- Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL
That would have at least got me into that subject.. and guess what.. there the answer I needed lies.
I finally got it thanks to duprade and ttran001 in this thread that i hijacked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362986&page=2
Neither of them flamed.. good dudes.
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So just to keep you all informed.
Not only in forums but also in Moderator-Talk we are discussing the problem of flaming...
... and there are several point of start...
- more and more people wnat ALL for free and want it personalized to themselfe (like all around the world in "real life"
- reading is time = time is money = all for free = no reading...
- xda is GROWING - when you can get a XDA TErra for 40€ with contract also "young" (i mean yound brains" start buying a PPC for chatting and all that..... But aren´t used to read... jk
- blaming is on of the BEST FREETIME game: see "Big Idol", "Superstar" or ALL the castingsshows round the world.
So what I want to say... the world is getting worse - and that wouldn´t take a break on XDA-dev.
BUT all have to work on it.
Flar - our admin - is working on the searchfunction!!!!
Cookers - maybe the releases must have BIG letters!
Moderator - please don´t take part on flaming and advise other who are blaming
Seniors - please keep helping each other
Noobs - pleas read, read, read
AND to ALL: Please let´s start to keep threads clean again...
A thread with 200post and 20 pages BEFORE the rom is released is NOT the way it should be...
And posts like:
1.: "You are releasing - great"
2.: "I´m downloading"
3.: "Flashing process 80%"
4.: "Flashing 99%"
5.: "Booting"
6.: "I will test...."
7.: "I will report..."
8.: "SO after testing for a while I found ......"
I think to start with post #8 would be the best way to keep threads clean...
Thanks.
Not sure if Ignoring is the answer ....................
If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
robosiris said:
Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. . He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy . Just joking.
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yeah, Im a soft Jerk
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If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
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If we use all our focus on answering the same questions over and over again, then we would spend less time cooking and figuring out the socalled bugs.
your loss...
But from what I understand, in you guys oppinion, we are supposed to answer everyone, no matter what, no matter how many times the same question is asked in a thread, and even if there is a thread with the sollution, maybe even a sticky?
You suggest that we give them a link to the post containing the answer, are we supposed to keep a Favourite list with a link to all answers we have supplied? and that we scroll through it to find the right one and post it?
Or maybe we could use search function? yeah wow, lets do all the work for the newbees...
NO MATTER what I write...its wrong
If I tell them to search, to use either google or searchfunction, they all claim to not find it (most do)
If I guide them to the answer, they keep coming asking next time, and next time and next time. Because they get the answers with no work trying to find it.
This might sound harsh or w/e
But every time I do try to help ppl out, they start adding me to msn, and pm me all the time asking for help and a personalized rom. They start acting as we are old time buddies, and whats next step? Im gonna be everones personal chef?
so im sure you wiseguys have a answer for that to, im sure. But thats because you just dont have a clue what this is all about.
Sure you help out with diffrent issues, and talk nicly to the newbees, thats totally cool with me.
Im sure you even like it, and that nice too.
Maybe we could call it "your function here"
and then I must add, thats not my function here.
Im no good with the "nOOb's" asking the same over and over (....)
A while back I was told (when a similar topic was brought up) just ignore them, and many agreed.
Basicly, thats not an option anymore either
SO, what I figure from all this, is that no matter what I do, im a jerk if I state what I feel in the matter, im a jerk if I ignore the questions.
The biggest problem beeing a person that help everyone out, is that more and more ppl comes to you, because you get a reputation that you are nice, helping and commited. But how much can a person contribute?
to be honest I feel that I am in a situation where I wish I could just cut all this out, I feel that no matter what I say or do, it tends to lead the wrong way.
I love making roms, its a great hobby. I like to help out, but I really dont have the time to get involved personally with everyones issues, everyones new fantastic ideas and cook a personal rom with this or that added, or this and that removed
Im not a bad guy, im not a angry pissed of guy who flames everyone who ask for my help. I have guided many on msn, mail and pm.
I try to look into the problems reported in my roms, and I try fix it. Even if I dont give a answer always to reporte bugs, I do note them, and I try to fix.
But I do have a family, I do have a job, and I do have other interests besides rom cooking.
Occationaly the cup runs over, we get tired of repeating ourself, and we answer in a sarcastic way.
im taking a break from this.
have fun all
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If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........
And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.
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Of course ignoring is the best answer, but it helps me from starting giving harsh answers.
I rather say nothing if I'm pissed than start blaming and complaining.
Instead of offending the person I rather keep quiet and really hope that people
who get the exact answer once assist with the same answer.
It has nothing to do with noobs helping noobs. It's more about sharing the same spirit to the whole community,
I really don't understand why only a group and always the same has to stand here and help, help, help.
None of us bought the knowledge with buying a PPC, we all sent down and read, read, read.
Things are free here, so the very least people can do is read.
One thing I really would like to see is, that we all should collect the bugs and solutions found over time
and pass it over to the moderator and/or cook to combine them on teh first page as those post are reserved already.
Like this you really can answer the so called stupid question with look in post #3 for the issue.
Like this we could keep the thread clean with all the bull**** as papamopps described.
And since I'm also one of those thread trashers who writes those useless "Thanks for the release" or "Your ROM looks awsome" posts
I will stop with that but try to give more constructive comments.
And even we seniors are not all knowing, I still learn a lot while hanging out here.
Post counts means nothing else than the activeness of a member does not necessarily reflects his knowledge about PPC.
And just like in real life, you don't approach a group of stranger who are in a conversation and start talking or even ask questions.
You listen first and slowly move along the conversation.
That's common etiquette and not just for grown ups also for the younger folks.
Those are common manners around the world.
We are all no employees of XDA-DEV we are all volounteers, so we really deserve the right whether to answer or not.
If we get paid for this I will even tell time and the weather forecast if that's the question ask
As long I'm here in my FREE time I choose whom to answer and whom not.
Cheers
@ Itje
101% behind you thoughts, I prefer being called a jerk too and stick with you guys. Having a good time here is more important for me and if I can only achieve that with ignoring some others, then it's a fair and low price.
I understand all the frustration over this. I apologize if my comment offended anyone. I was half joking. When I first came here, I had question and was just ignored. I always appreciated any help I got no matter how silly. Even now I find it difficult to search here.
I still think the search engine here should be tweaked so its easy to use and goes right to the right threads. One day I read 29 threads before I got the answer to the question I was searching for. I can see why people just ask -- it is irritating to some but easier for those seeking the answers.
anyway, yeah I guess you can just ignore the questions. I mean nobody is obligated to answer anyone.
I just can't keep up anymore, there seems to be a bajillion roms and new ones keep getting updated everyday.
why can't we make the rom selection process a little more simple first off with a poll
Which rom are you using?
I would also love for people to rate their roms on a simple scale, this is just an idea
stability: 1-10
Versatility: 1-10
Free Memory: MB
Innovation: 1-10
Worth the upgrade: 1-10
Swiftblade's ROM is already at v5.0/Lite.
I'm using Swiftblade v5.0 Lite and I vote for it 2 hands up!
stability: 9
Versatility: 9
Free Memory: Storage 90MB++, RAM 55MB++
Innovation: 5 (cos its lite therefore not much innovative programs)
Worth the upgrade: 10
1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
?
I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
Pointless
Another pointless reply from Kukuriku.
adilkhan1214: Forget about Kukuriku, he has this problem with noob's asking questions! He forgets that when he started this kind of thing he would have asked exactly the same sort of questions.
Like the idea, hope other people take the poll as it will help out new comers quite a bit to see what everyone is using.
Keep asking the questions as there are plenty of helpful people on here, but you will come across a minority that think they own this forum and really have nothing helpful to say and will try and slam you at every oppurtunity.
By the way, I am using the SwiftBL WWE Diamond v5.0. Very smooth and stable ROM, really recommend it.
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I understand your frustrations of noobs taking over your elite site but I still feel this is useful and insightful
all the posts you showed before showed old rom's, now with such a variety out there I wanted to know how the diversity has expanded. Not to show which rom is the best but instead to survey what is out there. If you don't like this thread, just take the poll and ignore it. However when it comes to polls, in the end it's whatever you make of them.
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The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
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The point is, just like what Kukuriku said, it's a subjective matter. There is no best, worse or somewhere in between ROM. It's for a major part all about look and feel, there is nothing more subjective than that. Why don't you try most of the roms? It's nice to do and you will quickly find out which rom will be the one for you
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I know it is subjective, and I am not going to argue over what you may think my intentions are.
It is indeed to find out what people are using and why they use it, diversity is there and I'm open to finding out where the majority of people flock to in their rom choice.
It's like me trying to find out how many Native American Indians are in Nevada and then people yelling at me and telling me to find out more about Native Americans first.
They don't add up
I've flashed my phone probably four time in the last month....
my personal subjective opinion: they don't make that big of a difference
but it's irrelevant, currently I'm trying out Dutty's 1.5 and from this poll it seems that one ROM I didn't yet try is one that a lot of people have so now I know where to head next.
I support this poll too. It's gives a quick pointer to what roms ppl are using. I find it useful in deciding what rom to try next. right now, I'm on bElite 0.97, but might take a swing at SwiftBL while I'm waiting for bElite 1.0
thanks
WE ALREADY reached 41 people polled,
I can't wait to see what it will look like in two days
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someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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this is what i should said.
instead i took the time to post links to similar threads and tried in my (special) way to help you. and you still are complaining, you don't get it. ok......
I like the poll. A rom that is popular and have many votes is probably not bad.
When had a Trinity I used to check the poll to see which rom most people used, and flash that.
To be honest. At the moment i don't see the advantage of using one the custom ROMS.
The new 1.93.xx official ROM works great for me.
I do appreciate all the work the developers are putting in their ROM, and i respect them for that! It's always nice to have options
So, i voted "official ROM"
KukurikU said:
1. wrong forum! we do not make polls in "diamond ROM development". this is for..........give you 3 guesses......yes, you guessed... ROM development.
2. the forum is full with this kind of useless threads. why useless? because this is a subjective matter. one looks for speed, other looks for memory and another is looking for the graphics. what is good for me can be terrible wrong for you....clear?
3. i searched and find for you (you didn't bother to search) only a few of the threads that tried to determine which is better:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410002
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411620
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411636
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=410201
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2461780
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2379362
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406640
i am glad to inform that some of them are from the trash., where they belong.
4. i know that if this thread is going to continue (hope not) it is going to become a very long and useless one. what you'll get in the end? a "chat" thread and a poll about the most used ROM for diamond....not the best.
5. if you want to know something about ROMs go and search the benchmark thread. this is the right way to determine which one is the best ROM for you.
[hint1]-the post is in the first page
[hint2]-is a sticky
[hint3]-is the third one from the top
[hint4]-is called Diamond Benchmarks, Tutorials & How-Tos Thread
[hint5]-http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=415194
good luck in making your own oppinion!
now who said i am not helping the noobs??!!!
keep the forum clean ppl!
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Loved your post! Right on!!!
Search, Search, Search!
Ah, wait. One last question. Which one is better?
I am too lazy to go through all the comments in the Rom, so i will just create a "Which one is better" thread
walshieau said:
someone please kill this thread, another pointless poll.
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here here!
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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Your point is what? You want to help every poor soul not installing the wrong rom for their needs? How do you know what ppl want? Why should anyone decide for me what rom I want to flash, or even decide how I can reach my conclusion to why I should flash it.
I have read many of the ROM threads, I still flashed TLR over bElite .95 and found out it wasn't right for me. This poll doesn't tell you which rom is best, it tells you how many ppl are using the different roms. You can then make a decision to look up the rom you find interesting, and flash it if you want. E.g. I'm using bElite .97, I see there's alot of ppl using SwiftBL...hmmm, maybe I should try it out and see if I like it. I go to the SwiftBL thread, read and make a decision. This poll gives a pointer, so I don't need to study every single rom thread to find a popular rom. I still can, but now I have a choice.
Seing how many has voted, it seems that some ppl actually thinks it's a good thing.
mkhattab said:
You need a ROM critic?
Really?
You don't seriously say you need a ROM critic.
If you take the time and bother to search and to go through each custom ROM's thread, you'll find that the first couple of posts are introducing the ROM and the other hundreds of posts are... guess what... wait for it... FEEDBACK on the ROM after people have TRIED it. YES, you are advised to try the ROM and formulate your own opinion instead of posting useless threads that have been posted before. We all look for different things and it's downright impossible for anyone to tell you what the "best" ROM is. Someone might vote for ROM X because it's fast, another one might vote for ROM X because it's got lots of free space and a third person might vote for ROM X because it's in a certain language. THen you go, download ROM X because "everyone says it's good" but you hate it because you need a ROM that doesn't have a certain app you need. See my point?
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i bet he doesn't. he still didn't understand that even the forum is wrong. he didn't get when i explained and he is not going to get it no matter how many ppl are going to say it.
a noob is not a noob because of the post count. i noob is anoob because his attitude towards the forum and it's members. i didn't flame and i wasn't rude. i just said my opinion and yes, i explained and helped. you might not taste my sarcasm but still, i took the time and helped. but nothing good enough....
this is laziness and selfishness at it's best. he wants all the info ready, in one place, chewed and inserted in his useless brain. bahhhh...why do i bother?
to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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to noob:
he's right you know- KukurikU is the only one out of 18 posts that bothered to help you with REAL information
KukurikU:
you try and be helpful, some people appreciate it and there will always be those who don't and won't!
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perhaps helpfulness and sarcasm doesn't always mix well together?
ROMS AND OPINIONS (if you care)
Everytime this type of question is mentioned and discussed is pointless and has no pertinent use of obtaining any real information as each ROM is cooked to different needs for different cooks. The only way to find out which ROM is best for you is to read each Cook's thread and all the posts of what people are talking about and to try each ROM for yourself. And if none of the ROMs are what you're looking for then the only true way to satisfy your needs is to stop being a customer and become a chef yourself and cook up the ROM the way you like it.
It doesn't take long to flash your phone and play with it for a bit. If you don't like it then flash it with a different ROM and try that out. The longest time you'll spend is most likely downloading the ROMs. So I suggest to start downloading all the ROMs you'd like to try and save the to your HD and the just start loading a ROM on to your phone until you find one that you like.
And PLEASE do not post bugs or problems with the ROMs until you've read all the posts in that ROMs thread as it's most likely been mentioned and stated how to correct the problem. i.e. SMS not working in some ROMs.
And the first page of each Cook's ROM threads state what they've done and usually post pictures of the ROMs so you have an idea of what you're tasting. So READ and enjoy!
Yet another one of these threads?!?
you should read the wiki and the stickies at the top of the forums...
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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hestlen said:
hi, i find of really use these kind of question, there is a lot of ROMs, and little information of their performance, by example, my problem is that i don't know if my phone is slow or the rom, wich uses less power...
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That's why I replied and said to go to a cook's ROM and read the entire thread of what other users have posted! Don't expect a free handout here. You have to read to learn.
yaboistarr said:
hey, sorry i wasnt aware of how many times this type of questions were posted.
im more into applications.
But still, i meant
can someone just post some sort of quick overview of the roms and good effects.
something like a quicklist.
if i were the type that likes to flash roms then i wouldnt ask.
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christ... do you need to bold and highlight everything?
there's no 1 rom that'll suit all users / we all have different preferences
"overview are already given by the ROM author/cook in their own respect threads"...
if you you cant be bothered to read and try/error yourself then i'm sorry, no one here can help you...
stick with the official rom you're using now... this would cause you the least issues...
otherwise go get an iphone/nokia
well, im always in good mood on helping new guys (coz im new and i know how hard is to jump in a so technical forum without any help), and personally i find comments like "tehres a lot of threads like this...bla bla", very unuseful...better to not answer at all instead of answering without giving informations...
anyway, as stated before, there is a lot of ROMs here, so search the one that will fit better your personality and don't bother ...
(jk)
is best to know what kind of improvements you'r searching.
Most of the info are coded in the title of the thread , so you can speed up a bit your research.
For example : [25.01.09] is the release date, this become useful when you need to track a ROM to see if there is some new updates, or just to locate the ROM in the time...
[WM.6.5.3] : it shows the OS (Windows Mobile 6.5.3) that will replace your old, lazy Windows Mobile 6.1, installed in all the official ROMs.
So if you are searching for a ROM including WiMo 6.5 or Android etc... this will be the code that should shine on your eyes.
[Manila.....] it means that the User Interface Manila (tipical in HTC products like Diamond, HD etc) was ported in the device, so you will get a pretty new user interface that you can also use like a panel instead of having it as default interface.
Others criteria can be referred to the pureness of a ROM or declare what kind of customizations were made by the cook , so a [WM.6.5 PURE] means that you will find ONLY the improvement of WM6.5.
Others are like brands, recalling the name of the cook, or the name of a "famous" ROM that has been changed in several aspect from the original but that will keep the feeling of the original one (like Touch-IT, SEX1, Un-Off series)...
Some others will refer to a specific HTC phone [LEO] or [TOPAZ], this means that the ROM were basically ported from an HTC device to another, or from another device to our X1 (see X2 ROMS) ...
Or you can find language indications [ITA] or [ENG] or [SWE] etc etc...
But first you need to know what you are searching for ...
For sure switching to WM6.5 is a huge change (imho) , avoiding Manila will save a lot of RAM, searching for some X2 stuff will give you some eye candy etc etc...
personally i installed on first days of December the SEX1 Pure WM 6.5 ROM from gtrab... amazing...simply amazing... very fast and bug free... it gave additional months of life to my X1.
On how to install a custom ROM (pretty different from updating ROM via SEUS) there is 2 sticky threads in this forum, you should learn how to do it by yourself...so don't ask about this...
Enjoy your X1 !
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
yaboistarr said:
thanks a lot for the usefull information fiizu, im sure this will contiinuue to help some people regardless of how many similar threads there are.
for the other bored users who like to post useless information like those above, please don't..... im sure there are some interesting threads out there for you guys. (all irrelevant post will be deleted)
Once again thanlss fizu for the useful info.
by the way I do have some interesting programs let me know if you want any...
windows mobile torrent
morphgear emulator
coreplayer
windows video downloader(download youtube vids plus more)
microsft voice command
bing translator (translate entire conversations into a different language)
songloader(like limewire)
music id (from shazam)
about 11 great wvga games
and a few other stuff..
once again any simple/helpful information would be appreciated.
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How are any of the posts that Senior members like myself have posted are useless? You can't really experience a cook's ROM by asking other people. What someone might like might not be what's best for you. You really need to learn more about how this forum works. This isn't your typical forum where you can ask and get. This is a forum where you learn from experience, hence "Devolopers" in the title.
And the sharing of "warez" is not allowed! So you obviously have a lot of learning and reading to do. First off, start with the stickies on the main pages.
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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lots people stop cooking X1 rom nowaday in this forum, it seems really sad, like 1-2 new rom every week
the best rom i can say in term of speed, stable, responsive would be wildchild 6.1 rom almost a year ago, its download likes only 60-70mb though, nothing install and you can install whatever you want after then
vietdoan20062006
yaboistarr said:
I understand that there is alot to this forum, i have been getting alot of my updates from here. when i said useless i meant just reply to this thread without attempting to help is useless. I like to hear people's opinions in order to make a decision since there is so much in this forum. it would be nice just to get some insight and opinions, not overloaded links.
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Not overload link and you start a new thread...??? Is people like you who over load
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
fizu said:
@Yaboistarr
no warez for me man
@Im Packing
"This is a forum where you learn from experience"
yeah and is so satisfying ! That's why everybody here didnt bought an iPhone
Anyway don't forget that not everyone has the time needed to really learn everything, you cannot figure how much i would learn how to cook, but i don't have time...
First impact should be soft, you cannot start maths with equations uh?
Otherwise people will just fall back to sites where they can find warez or crappy applications...
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There's always time to learn...I own my own business working ungodly hours a week and I manage to find time to get on the forums to read/download ROMs. I was being straight forward about my approach, but I wasn't being rude at all. I can prove posts to where I'm rude. But for someone who's wanting to flash ROMs is willing to read to flash their phone, but not willing to read and find out what each cook has specifically done to their ROMs and asking for opinions instead is just flat out lazy.
mattmarion said:
Thanks for the info.
I've been wanting to ask the same question but I'm waaaayy to shy to get flamed. There is such a thing as a bad answer and it's the one that contains useless or condescending material (like asking how to enable root login in linux, we know it's bad form but regurgitation of that is just stupid, answer the question or don't post).
That being said, I've been through these forums, have loaded several roms on and have tried to read through the rom pages. I have also noticed that sometimes things like radio version are missing from rom pages and that there's 110 or so pages of comments. Unfortunately, I don't have near enough time to look through that many comments, though I'd love to. This thread, due to one great answer, is awesome.
Basically, I forget the name, but sernior dude that keeps posting to read the comments and whatnot, in that same amount of time, could probably have contributed quite a bit to this thread, being in the know and probably having an opinion on the various roms/chefs/whatnot...
Also, a stikied thread where chef's can add their new roms to a table, or something on those lines, would be a huge benefit to everyone and save tonnes of time, not to mention it would get more spotlight for each chef as one wouldn't have to search through the billions of forum pages to find a rom...
Looking for an android rom at the moment, personally
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The OP is willing to read about how flash his phone, but not willing to read what each ROM is about? I could share my experiences, but if you want to know what I think then go to each ROM specific thread and read what I've written! And if you're too lazy to really read the entire thread and find out what the ROM is really about because of the "I don't have time" excuse then just read the first page of each cook's ROM. There's almost always pictures, change logs, updates, and a good general wealth of information of what that ROM is about.
There should be no reason for threads to be started about which ROM is best for me as it's been stated a few times now that basically it's "To Each and Their Own!" This forum is about research and development. RESEARCH!
@im packing
really how you can judge the time of other people?
teach me that...please !
How can you say that the statement "i don't have time" is just an excuse and "help me" is lazyness...
Im not talking about how many hours you work weekly or daily....you are supposed to work during your job time and not learn xda dev fora... im talking about people that once finished the working time may have 1 or 2 hours to reach their houses and then deal with kids, wife, dogs, house management etc etc etc... to fall destroyed on their beds and wake up 5 hours later to restart again and again...
they don't have the right to acces this forum knowledge to have a better device?
or they don't deserve simply your patience and attention...?
explain me...
while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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while i respect the job that you claimed for this community, you seems to me a bit arrogant...
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believe me ...he is not arrogant if you try to maintain the same level with him
I want kingshero rom..but i hear running Hero Rom on G1 is kind of slow and laggy....What is the best Rom out and how can I get a hold of it and how can I install it???
Define "Best rom" please. The fastest one? The best one for gaming? The best one for social integration? The one with most features? The prettiest one? The best one for me? The best one for you? You see where I'm going with this?
You have so many tools at your hands: Nandroid backup, BART back-up, switch-rom, why don't you try all of the roms and pick YOUR best rom. Remember, search button is your friend.
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Define "Best rom" please. The fastest one? The best one for gaming? The best one for social integration? The one with most features? The prettiest one? The best one for me? The best one for you? You see where I'm going with this?
You have so many tools at your hands: Nandroid backup, BART back-up, switch-rom, why don't you try all of the roms and pick YOUR best rom. Remember, search button is your friend.
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This is such a solid explanation of "what's the best rom" thread, it should be stickied.
people should stop making these threads..I mean when you think about it, what in the world is the point of a search engine?!
@OP I'm sure you will find a few good 1000 threads on "Best ROM" but if you are feeling adventurous then do some Studying yourself. that way You will know what the best ROMs are.
just a suggestion though
Why do "Best Rom" threads bother everyone so much? You could just ignore them, you know. I'm sure there are folks who would love to give an opinion. If there's not, then the thread would quickly die.
I read them just to see how fast someone replies
A. Try them all and see for yourself.
B. Use the search button.
C. There is no Best Rom.
or D. Please close this thread.
In any case, everyone has different reasons for reading a thread. Just ignore the ones you're not interested in and everyone can be happy.
tdusen said:
Why do "Best Rom" threads bother everyone so much?
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Because 10 "Best Rom" threads every week make it harder for people who actually search for answers.
Because there will be as many opinions as there are roms.
Because if someone does not reply this way, OP will just proceed to ask all of the "usual" questions (that have been answered multiple times) without a thought to search first.
Do we need any more reasons?
the best rom is cyanogen mod
if you cant do your own research flash that rom and dont use anything else
because like everyone said
there is no best
they are all good for something
you will find your fav rom when you try them all like we all have - and guess what
diff people for diff roms
borodin1 said:
Because 10 "Best Rom" threads every week make it harder for people who actually search for answers.
Because there will be as many opinions as there are roms.
Because if someone does not reply this way, OP will just proceed to ask all of the "usual" questions (that have been answered multiple times) without a thought to search first.
Do we need any more reasons?
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Those reasons are only valid if the pool of ROMS is static. Since new ones are released frequently, any previous opinions are probably outdated.
Yes there are many opinions. But, that's exactly what this question is looking for. I see these opinions as mini reviews. It gives a chance to explain what you like about a ROM. Maybe I'll see a comment that points out something I had not thought of as important.
I like Sonic 2 or Super Mario 3, there are some of ther good ones out their, but I always find myself going back to one of those two when I am bored.
vixsandlee said:
I like Sonic 2 or Super Mario 3, there are some of ther good ones out their, but I always find myself going back to one of those two when I am bored.
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I see what you did there
A??l??A??n said:
I see what you did there
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lol did you just join so you could say that? xD
Please note how the same user posted
taino887 said:
I would like to install the KiNgxKxKlair DroidEris2G1 v0.1 on my g1....I am not sure of the steps to install it though.....Please can someone help me with a step by step tutorial on how to get kings rom....PLEASE!!!!
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about 30 min before opening this thread. Any more questions?
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I don't understand your point. The guy's asking for help. This is a Q&A section, right?
taino887 said:
I want kingshero rom..but i hear running Hero Rom on G1 is kind of slow and laggy....What is the best Rom out and how can I get a hold of it and how can I install it???
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If you guys actually read my post in its entirety you guys would realize that I did not just ask what is the best rom....I stated what i wanted and I also sated that i heard its slow and laggy....All I wanted was feedback about the HERO ROM....I said i wanted a HERO ROM....what is the best HERO ROM.....and i also asked how to get a hold of it...Also if you look at the amount of posts that I have put up, you can see I am new to this...But if I did not make myself clear....I WANT A HERO ROM.....but i hear runnign a HERO ROM on g1 is slow and laggy....WHAT IS THE BEST ROM(HERO).......SORRY IF I DIDNT MAKE MYSELF CLEAR....people in my other post helped me out greatly
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Please note how the same user posted
about 30 min before opening this thread. Any more questions?
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CAN YOU GO ONE DAY WITHOUT GOING INTO THE Q&A SECTION AND GETTING BUTTHURT BECAUSE N00BIES BRING THERE QUESTIONS AND IF YOU DONT LIKE THE BEST ROM QUESTIONS SIMPLY STAY AWAY FROM THEM. PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING BETTER THAN JUDGE DUE TO THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND COMMON SENSE BUG ME AND CONGRATULATIONS YOUR NUMBER ONE ON THIS FORUMS LIST
borodin1 said:
Because 10 "Best Rom" threads every week make it harder for people who actually search for answers.
Because there will be as many opinions as there are roms.
Because if someone does not reply this way, OP will just proceed to ask all of the "usual" questions (that have been answered multiple times) without a thought to search first.
Do we need any more reasons?
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I agree with this.
tdusen said:
Those reasons are only valid if the pool of ROMS is static. Since new ones are released frequently, any previous opinions are probably outdated.
Yes there are many opinions. But, that's exactly what this question is looking for. I see these opinions as mini reviews. It gives a chance to explain what you like about a ROM. Maybe I'll see a comment that points out something I had not thought of as important.
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New ROMs come out often, yes. However, that doesn't make all previous opinions "out-dated." The only ROM I've noted a significant difference in is Cyanogenmod. Used to always be kinda laggy (never too buggy) and with newest update it really flies. Other than that - most ROM "updates" are mainly just fixing minor bugs/adding some other random feature. Except for eclair ROMs, those are the only ROMs that are getting closer and closer to being "complete." Just because a ROM is the newest ROM released does not in any way mean it is now the best ROM out there.
As for best Hero ROM - none. They're too slow, and not really THAT great. That's just my opinion, though.
One more thing: ROMs are all based on YOUR opinion. These threads irritate me beyond measure. Its like when I ask my fiancee what she wants for dinner and she responds, "I don't care, anything sounds good." I say, "Ok, how about a steak?" to which she responds "I'm not in the mood for steak." I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT YOU LIKE! YOU CAN'T TELL ANYONE ELSE WHAT THEY LIKE! PEOPLE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES! The only possible thing this thread is able of achieving is a suggestion - which EVERY other thread like this has.
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CAN YOU GO ONE DAY WITHOUT GOING INTO THE Q&A SECTION AND GETTING BUTTHURT BECAUSE N00BIES BRING THERE QUESTIONS AND IF YOU DONT LIKE THE BEST ROM QUESTIONS SIMPLY STAY AWAY FROM THEM. PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING BETTER THAN JUDGE DUE TO THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND COMMON SENSE BUG ME AND CONGRATULATIONS YOUR NUMBER ONE ON THIS FORUMS LIST
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Oh
dear
god.
Did you seriously just say "due to their lack of knowledge and common sense"? You do understand that you post was equivalent to a newborn throwing up, right? I'm sorry, but if you're going to attack someone for their lack of knowledge, then you're going to have at least show your own. What he said has a very good point. There are too many threads like that that NEVER offer an answer. Only suggestions, and guess what? THE SUGGESTIONS ARE ALWAYS THE SAME. Pointed that out earlier in my post but I see it needs to be reiterated for you.
Oh, forgot to point out: It's "their" not "there". There is a place. Their is a group of people. You need a comma before "and" because everything after it is a full functioning sentence. Need/could use a comma before simply. You need to show a pause, other way that just sounds like a run-on sentence. "...common sense bug me" should be the end of the sentence. If you do not want to end the sentence there, you need to drop "and" and add a semi-colon before "congratulations." "Your" should be "you're." Actually... you are is more formal, but this is not a formal essay so it is acceptable your way. "Forums" needs to be "forum's" to show possession. You need punctuation at the end of your last sentence as well. Last thing: you do know you are only supposed to capitalize the first letter of a sentence, right?
taino887 said:
If you guys actually read my post in its entirety you guys would realize that I did not just ask what is the best rom....I stated what i wanted and I also sated that i heard its slow and laggy....All I wanted was feedback about the HERO ROM....I said i wanted a HERO ROM....what is the best HERO ROM.....and i also asked how to get a hold of it...Also if you look at the amount of posts that I have put up, you can see I am new to this...But if I did not make myself clear....I WANT A HERO ROM.....but i hear runnign a HERO ROM on g1 is slow and laggy....WHAT IS THE BEST ROM(HERO).......SORRY IF I DIDNT MAKE MYSELF CLEAR....people in my other post helped me out greatly
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Your original post does not state, in any form, that you want a Hero ROM. We are trying to help. What you don't understand is how we are helping. If none of us use search, I'm almost positive anyone here who can help will leave because of the massive amount of threads/posts that will be utterly pointless. I promise, searching is not hard and usually returns fantastic results. I understand you are new. If you want a good starting ROM - go with Cyanogen. Easy to flash, easy to update, great community support, a full fledged wiki with step by step directions, and the best feature: doesn't need Danger SPL as most hero ROMs do. Danger SPL has caused the most dead phones than any other issue. That's my suggestion.
Hi guys, may i speak a little bit of my mind?
I've been on XDA for quite a moment now, forget about not contributing to any development please , and i do know one very simple ground rule: SEARCH!!!!!!
But from my time here i realise searching for something and getting the right answer here on XDA does requires getting the keywords right + if to minimise the scope,search in the right forum and thread. The experience is not something Google offers.
Thus alot of times this has happened to myself, especially newbies, forget or skips searching every single forums and threads, looking through a 40 page thread just for the 1 sentence answer. And the result, lots of angry 'old birds' and mods.
Thus can i suggest setting up some kind of Knowledge Base forum or thread? This KB will the centralise of all the essence of developments, bugs, fixes that exists in this forum modified by a Mod/Admin only. Something like a library.
Having a Knowledge Base will really be helpful to (budding) developers as well as technology leechers like me :laugh: It reduces effort wasted on searching high and low to the lesser extend, but really dealing REPEATIVELY to replying the same old questions with the same old answer. Just tell people to look at the knowledge base and that's it, no more reason and cause to post repeatative questions. It is different to the stickies existing now. Users still has to look page by page for their answer.
Ok I shall end my whine here now. Thanks for allowing me let off my mind.
L2Deliver said:
Hi guys, may i speak a little bit of my mind?
I've been on XDA for quite a moment now, forget about not contributing to any development please , and i do know one very simple ground rule: SEARCH!!!!!!
But from my time here i realise searching for something and getting the right answer here on XDA does requires getting the keywords right + if to minimise the scope,search in the right forum and thread. The experience is not something Google offers.
Thus alot of times this has happened to myself, especially newbies, forget or skips searching every single forums and threads, looking through a 40 page thread just for the 1 sentence answer. And the result, lots of angry 'old birds' and mods.
Thus can i suggest setting up some kind of Knowledge Base forum or thread? This KB will the centralise of all the essence of developments, bugs, fixes that exists in this forum modified by a Mod/Admin only. Something like a library.
Having a Knowledge Base will really be helpful to (budding) developers as well as technology leechers like me :laugh: It reduces effort wasted on searching high and low to the lesser extend, but really dealing REPEATIVELY to replying the same old questions with the same old answer. Just tell people to look at the knowledge base and that's it, no more reason and cause to post repeatative questions. It is different to the stickies existing now. Users still has to look page by page for their answer.
Ok I shall end my whine here now. Thanks for allowing me let off my mind.
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Sounds like a good idea.I think you're free to set up a thread like this, where you cover the most important questions and deliver some troubleshooting.
good idea,+1
from experience i know that using any search system can be daunting without correct (key)words so great idea +1:good :good:
Its a good idea. But then, its not like we have tons of roms out. And its not like we have that many bugs on the phone.
muellersmattes said:
Sounds like a good idea.I think you're free to set up a thread like this, where you cover the most important questions and deliver some troubleshooting.
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Yes. but my point of having it managed and maintained solely by a mod/admin is for the knowledge base not to be 'polluted' by questions and answers. Kinda like a locked thread.
babymatteo said:
Its a good idea. But then, its not like we have tons of roms out. And its not like we have that many bugs on the phone.
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Understand. Perhaps this idea can be utilised at other places of XDA or the entire XDA which im sure with all materials centralised and summerised into a mega knowledge base will be very very awesome.
I think a FAQ can helpful and it will sure help new people.
Creating a KB can be a heavy time consuming job even though we don't many roms.
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Every new users or users that isn't active should be forced to watch the "You are a Noob" video till the END the first ten times they try to post a comment...
Then there would be no excuse not to search before asking dumb questions that have been answered a thousand times..