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Hey Guys,
Ever since I first experienced this bug, it seems more and more people are coming forward explaining the same symptoms.
Connection drops, OS becomes unresponsive, freezes, and then you are greeted by the 'X' animation. After the phone reboots, it freezes once again and returns you to the 'X' animation and the process repeats until you pull the battery.
There seems to be no direct trigger as it can occur when on a call, when browsing or even when the phone is idle.
I've read through various threads on different forums in an attempt to reveal some kind of pattern, yet reports are coming from users on different ROMs with different kernels and different apps. I've created this thread in the hope that if people contribute their experiences, we can draw some kind of reasoning behind the development of the bug and offer some hope for resolving the issue in then future.
So guys, what are your experiences of the BLOD? What ROM were you running? What kernel were you running? Do you overclock, underclock or remain at stock? Anything you think may contribute to this annoying bug.
Thanks in advance.....
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My experience began after updating to Kang-o-Rama 0.6 final (CM 5.0.6) after using Kings Desire Port aswell as using Paul's Desire ROM and Cyanogenmod previously. Originally it happened to me in the gym. While listening to music I recieved an SMS and the phone suddenly crashed and went into the BLOD. I had to pull my battery for it to stop. Since that occasion, I began to suffer the BLOD 3-5 times a day, sometimes when on a call and other times when the phone was idle. I tried wiping and reinstalling countless times, flashed stock Cyanogen and the later versions of K-o-R which would give my phone a slight reprieve ,however eventually the BLOD would hunt me down and return.
Eventually I believed it was a Cyanogenmod specific bug, especially after reading this thread,
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?/topic/43-odd-crash/
Since I thought it was CM specific I went away and flashed Enom's ROM which again gave me a reprieve but only until I charged the phone at night. I awoke in the early house to find my phone rebooting away as I slept. This pattern continued for 3 nights until last night which was my first BLOD free night.
Now i'm not 100% sure as to what cured my looping last night but I flashed a new kernel yesterday (IR .33.5) and also on the advice of this thread,
http://www.google.co.uk/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=2711ea74ef3d9aee&hl=en
I wondered whether the fact that I'd started using the stock alarm clock app could have triggered this so called 'notification bug'. I returned to using Gentle Alarm from the market and cancelled my stock Androdid alarm.
Right now i'm waiting to see how long I go without a BLOD before investigating if it was specifically the new kernel or changing the alarm which got me through the night. Will report back if anything changes.
I'm pretty sure this is a form of a kernel panic. I know Cyanogen had made some type of tweet or post regarding this. I'll try to find it and edit this post when done
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I'm pretty sure this is a form of a kernel panic. I know Cyanogen had made some type of tweet or post regarding this. I'll try to find it and edit this post when done
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Cyanogen posted something regarding it being a system_server crash in the CM thread and that we needed logs of the event occuring before he could draw any conclusions. I managed to dump and adb logcat of the event while it was happening, although it was just a panic loop of which a segment was posted on the Cyanogenmod forum I posted above. Has anyone managed to capture a log of the BLOD as it starts? That would be a great help.
I got my N1 about 4 weeks ago and it worked OK until I flashed the Froyo radio. from that point on I could not get any rom to run in a stable way - my reboots happened 3 - 4 times a day and got to the point where I would get stuck in the boot loop. Pulling the battery did not always solve the problem although I found that if I kept the battery out for several minutes my chances of getting the phone to boot into either the ROM or recovery would be better.
I noticed at the same time that once the boot loop started I could not get into recovery until my phone had at least booted into the ROM successfully once.
Flashing back to the 4.04 radio reduced the random reboots to about once a day - usually at night after I had just plugged my phone in to charge. I was using the stock alarm app as a bedside clock.
After many days of frustration and the help from several people here at XDA, I finally came to conclusion that the problem must be hardware related and am returning my current device to HTC and am getting a new one.
I don't have a boot loop but I definitely experience the initial stages of this problem on a stock (unrooted, locked) N1 (at&t).
50% of the time when the N1 loses the connection (e.g. due to going into a garage) it will not re-acquire the signal. Searching for networks will hang, putting the phone in flight mode and then disabling flight mode will still result in no signal.
The only way to get a cell signal back is rebooting the phone.
Usually, searching for a network and/or enabling and disabling flight mode will result in the phone turning black and then rebooting.
I have the problem, too.
Just a few notes:
didn't have it on stock rom and Cyanogen 5.0.6, nor an Enomther's 1.8.1, started with Enomther's 1.9.2
This is not really a reboot, because a real reboot always helps. Other than a reboot, it starts directly at the X animation, not with the unmoving X before.
Seems to be a kernel panic.
I currently suspect that the panic happens when the RAM is full, especially if there is one single process that uses up massive amounts of RAM (could be in the background, of course).
I yesterday found that Sytrant (periodically sets time using internet time server) has a memory leak, and on closer inspection today found that it queries an ad server every few seconds and thus switches from sleeping to running state every few seconds. Also, it spawns root processes when setting time, which might lead to the system not wanting to kill it.
So, here's my current suspection (I'm not at all sure if that's true!):
The reboot loop only happens when the system runs out of memory.
In this case, Android should normally kick out other programs: First apps that are not running anymore, but are still in memory, second background jobs, and third services.
I guess there's some error in the killing logic in newer Cyanogen kernels and others that use Cyanogen parts (or maybe even in the orginal code from Google).
This somehow leads to a state where the kernel has no memory left and can't kill a process, too. -> Kernel panic
Maybe this is more probable if there is one big memory hog the kernel doesn't want to kill (because it's a service, or maybe because it has children running as root).
So, everyone who has this problem, please get a process monitor or task manager where you can see how much memory an app uses. OSMonitor is a very good one, and it can also sort the processes by memory usage. Start it periodically to find out if a process is constantly growing.
If you found such a process: Is it one that requires root? Does it run as a service? (Unfortunately, OSMonitor can't tell you if a process runs as service, or at least I didn't find it if it can. ES Task Manager can show that information, though, for example.)
Personally, I threw Sytrant off my phone now and will watch if that helps. I had reboot loops every two or three days, so I can't tell yet if it really will make a difference. I really hope so …
Edit: Of course, this theory does not really explain why the network drops before the boot loop starts. It could be, though, that the kernel tries to kill just anything to gain meomry, which might also be a system process that it responsible for the network. As the networks always seems to drop before the loop starts, maybe killing that process is what leads to the panic in the end.
Maybe, could … well, yes, this is just a theory. But at least it sounds good, doesn't it? ;-)
The more I read about this problem here and in other threads, the more I am convinced that my problem is probably not hardware related. My replacement phone arrives today but now I am wondering if I should return my original or not. Argg!
Is there a way we can all band together to try and get to the bottom of this problem? I am more than willing to do whatever testing those that know what to look for tells me to do.
Would one of the Guru's here be willing to guide us through a coordinated troubleshooting excersize?
Maybe we can start by trying to find out what we all have in common?
I have an AT&T/Rogers version of the N1.
I typically have the Facebook, Calendar Widgets on home screen.
Power Widget on 2nd screen
Use gmail but via the standard email client, not the gmail client.
Use the native alarm clock app in the dock at night
16GB ADATA MicroSD card.
I also install:
- ChompSMS (with icon widget on home screen)
- NewsRob (with Widget on home screen)
Did not get the reboots initially running the stock rom but they started the moment I installed paul's version of Froyo. I tried several of the other roms and had the same instability and BLOD's until I reverted back to stock and things stabalized again although I was still getting random reboots once a day or so.
While a hardware issue (especially RAM failure) could cause this issue, I don't think that it is the cause in most of the cases here. The fact that some don't experience it anymore after trying one or another software-related measure makes a hardware failure highly improbable, at least in their cases.
I won't rule that out, but until I tried everything else I can't conclude it must be a hardware faliure.
Please get OSMonitor and watch your processes. If after some days you still can't find a process using more than, say, 65 M, and still get the issue, you can be pretty sure that a memory leak isn't the problem for you.
The memory leak + killing bug guess is a good one and is quite probable. So let's check that first.
I think my FroYo rom problems are the same problems you guys are having. I think it's something with an app or an element of the OS or something.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=703508
I get the exact same issue on a handful of roms. Everything starts to force close, then it goes into boot loop, but, as someone said, doesn't really fully reboot, it just starts at the boot screen.
I've also noticed when things get funky, plugging in the USB cable makes it immediately go into a boot loop.
I start having this problem after I install the Quadrant Standard program, I was using the Kang-o-rama - Froyo when this happened. But after going back to Paul's Froyo everything is working perfectly again.
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I start having this problem after I install the Quadrant Standard program, I was using the Kang-o-rama - Froyo when this happened. But after going back to Paul's Froyo everything is working perfectly again.
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I deleted quadrant, signed into market and all so it knew i uninstalled it, flashed a baked modaco R17, and it still boot looped on first reboot.
I suspect it is related to the 4.06 radio. My first boot loop started just after I installed the radio and before I updated the ROM itself.
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I suspect it is related to the 4.06 radio. My first boot loop started just after I installed the radio and before I updated the ROM itself.
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That doesn't explain mine though. I get the boot loop on some roms but not others, with the same radio.
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That doesn't explain mine though. I get the boot loop on some roms but not others, with the same radio.
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Which ROMS are safe for you - I will flash one of them tonight and see if it works on my device as well - maybe we can narrow it down to a specific ROM.
Would also appreciate a list of the apps you use - I am thinking we should set up our phones as close to identical as possible to begin with and then start adding things to see what causes it. Thoughts?
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Which ROMS are safe for you - I will flash one of them tonight and see if it works on my device as well - maybe we can narrow it down to a specific ROM.
Would also appreciate a list of the apps you use - I am thinking we should set up our phones as close to identical as possible to begin with and then start adding things to see what causes it. Thoughts?
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The only roms that screw up for me are modded froyo roms. LeoFroyo works fine for some reason, as does the stock FRF50. I'll screenshot my apps in a minute and post them.
I have this on stock 2.1u1 EPE54B
I was getting some pretty random boot loops when running CM 5.0.7.1 and 4.04 radio. Noticed two things could (almost) cause it every time:
1) Not so much a cause, but Google Listen was running almost every time I went into a BLoD.
2) Something that WAS causing it.. I keep my phone on airplane mode at work with WiFi on, since I don't get a reception in the building. Reboot + turn off airplane mode when the phone is to that point = BLoD.
I actually flashed Kang-o-Rama and the 4.06 radio earlier, no problems now.
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I actually flashed Kang-o-Rama and the 4.06 radio earlier, no problems now.
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Did you flash the Froyo version with SP3?
No matter what I do and however many times I flash cm7, I seem to have erratic touchscreen behavior.
The nook is BRAND NEW (two days) and I flashed it with cm7 7.0.2 stable (after phiremod's 6.0 & 6.1) and flashed it about four times now.
I have tried it with the OC and without.
It's not the SD - it doesn't matter if it's in or not.
Not the wifi, since I didn't even set it up the third and fourth time - it was too erratic to even try.
Plugged in or not... still the same problem. Doesn't seem similar to the other forums topics about touchscreen issues WHILE charging.
Screen is near spotless... no smudges.
It is important to note, that it waits until I have done a few things to start going crazy. I restart it and it's fine, until I do some cpu intensive stuff - live wallpaper is the simplest activity that causes it.
Any ideas?
I have also tried NSR (screen re calibrator) to no avail.
Would love a quick fix rather than re-installing stock and returning it and convincing them to replace it. I am not sure if it does it with stock... didn't wait long enough to find out before flashing it.
have you tried a screen protector? my screen wasnt the best for precise touches but since i put a screen protector on and clean the screen regularly it has since changed my problems to almost non existant.
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Others may be able to help you more than I can with exactly when the CM7 may be doing this, but returning to stock to find out is actually not hard at all.
In the development thread there is a post that has the 1.2 stock zips (one keeps CW in place, the other returns it completely to stock). Which ever one you pick it's still just as easy to return to stock as to reflash CM7 again. This is especially true if you used a SD card with CW to flash (which is what I do), since when you want to go back to CM7 you won't have to worry about flashing CW to emmc again.
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No matter what I do and however many times I flash cm7, I seem to have erratic touchscreen behavior.
The nook is BRAND NEW (two days) and I flashed it with cm7 7.0.2 stable (after phiremod's 6.0 & 6.1) and flashed it about four times now.
I have tried it with the OC and without.
It's not the SD - it doesn't matter if it's in or not.
Not the wifi, since I didn't even set it up the third and fourth time - it was too erratic to even try.
Plugged in or not... still the same problem. Doesn't seem similar to the other forums topics about touchscreen issues WHILE charging.
Screen is near spotless... no smudges.
It is important to note, that it waits until I have done a few things to start going crazy. I restart it and it's fine, until I do some cpu intensive stuff - live wallpaper is the simplest activity that causes it.
Any ideas?
I have also tried NSR (screen re calibrator) to no avail.
Would love a quick fix rather than re-installing stock and returning it and convincing them to replace it. I am not sure if it does it with stock... didn't wait long enough to find out before flashing it.
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Hate to say it but it sounds like it might turn out to be a hardware issue. This is not a CM7 issues that I've seen from anybody.
Can you describe the behavior in more detail?
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Hate to say it but it sounds like it might turn out to be a hardware issue. This is not a CM7 issues that I've seen from anybody.
Can you describe the behavior in more detail?
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It seems to start selecting things on its own after I have been using it for a while. It's difficult to describe except that there isn't really a pattern... it selects something different and keeps at it. At one point I almost purchased an app from the market before I had to power down.
I will return it to 1.2 stock and report back. I was mainly wanting to know if these was a commonly reported issue or not. I guess it's not. Thanks for the help everyone!
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It seems to start selecting things on its own after I have been using it for a while. It's difficult to describe except that there isn't really a pattern... it selects something different and keeps at it.
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So my NC started to do the same thing last night. I have been running CM7 (at 7.0.2 now, but nightlies before then with dal's OC kernal) for quite a while now with no problems. Only thing I did last night was to delete about 1GB of ebooks off of my NC and reload them through Calibre.
I left it alone last night after it started doing it and then this morning it started doing crazy touches again. I was in Aldiko and it was selecting books and turning pages at random. Rebooted and it seems to be fine for now. Little odd though considering it has been running perfect for a few months.
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So my NC started to do the same thing last night. I have been running CM7 (at 7.0.2 now, but nightlies before then with dal's OC kernal) for quite a while now with no problems. Only thing I did last night was to delete about 1GB of ebooks off of my NC and reload them through Calibre.
I left it alone last night after it started doing it and then this morning it started doing crazy touches again. I was in Aldiko and it was selecting books and turning pages at random. Rebooted and it seems to be fine for now. Little odd though considering it has been running perfect for a few months.
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So now I have installed nook stock 1.2 and NO PROBLEMS. I have run everything trying to get something to happen, and nothing.
Is it possible that I installed something the wrong way with cm7? Could I have used the wrong CWM version (3.0.0.6)?
Should I try cm7 7.0.2 or something else again?
I would try and return it, but I can't recreate the problem... if I could, I would be in their face right now.
Thanks for the help so far.
I think I solved it!
The newest nooks (in the last week or so) have 1.1.0 factory stock. Apparently there is a glitch that has been reported a lot recently about handling the touchscreen AND the SD card. These were fixed in the 1.2 upgrade. SO...
1. I flashed factory stock back on (in this case I went back to 1.0.1)
2. Then turned it off and "restored factory" settings using "Power+N" to turn it on. Repeated that a second time to get B&N's factory reset screen to come up.
3. Pressed N twice to accept restore prompts.
4. Upgraded to 1.2 (no glitches already by this point with touch or SD)
5. Booted CWM 3.0.0.6+
6. Formatted /system & /data
7. Flashed phiremod 6.1
8. OC'd to 1.1Ghz
...and DONE. No problems so far. I still see the "Read Forever" opening screen, but it still works wonders. WAY better than before.
I am still having issues with Wifi, but I can deal with that.
Now to attempt dalingrin's OC to 1.3!
Thanks guys... hope this helps others.
I think they call it "Touchscreen goshting". It started happening to me when I rooted the nook and the keyboard would go crazy. Now in CM7 7.0.2 with latest kernel, it happens more frequently. About 5 minutes in from boot, fast random touches occur. Most of the times this gets fixed by pressing the power button to turn the screen off (sleep), and on again. I guess it could be a hardware issue where some devices are affected. I haven't tried any recalibration apps to try to fix it yet, its kind of annoying when it happens in fast intervals.
I had weird touchscreen issues when using the interactive cpu governor. I later found only performance is supported. Using performance setting, everything works much better.
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I think they call it "Touchscreen goshting". It started happening to me when I rooted the nook and the keyboard would go crazy. Now in CM7 7.0.2 with latest kernel, it happens more frequently. About 5 minutes in from boot, fast random touches occur. Most of the times this gets fixed by pressing the power button to turn the screen off (sleep), and on again. I guess it could be a hardware issue where some devices are affected. I haven't tried any recalibration apps to try to fix it yet, its kind of annoying when it happens in fast intervals.
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I had the same issue. I exchanged it the other night and now my new one does not have the problem. It probably a hardware issue...i hope you are still under warranty!
Hello Community!!
I am seeing a problem with my Revo, and I'm putting it out here because you guys are good at finding answers.
I am running Gingervolt 1.3 with the blitzkreig kernel installed. I have previously tried Hicks' little ICS responsiveness script.
Here is my problem. Most days after little to moderate use, Phone/text, I have to reboot my phone by either soft reboot (power button) or a hard reboot (battery pull) because nothing at all is responding. By nothing I mean, touch the screen..nothing, open a program...nothing...etc.
It is a slow degrade sometimes where (and my wife has mentioned it using my phone) that the touch screen is really really laggy and non responsive, especially when using a keyboard or even trying to play angry birds.
I have done a full wipe including data, cache, dalvik. I have formatted my internal and removable SD card, I have not used previous backups, instead resorted to downloading programs and installing from scratch.
This is a very frustrating issue. If it was a computer I'd say either the processor was overworking, or the ram was used up. But since we don't use program killers in GB I'm kind of at a loss. And I'm tired of having to wipe my phone every few days just so I have meh performance (and no, I'm not hating on the phone, or the rom or any of the developers, nor do I have any interest in changing phones,etc)
I'm just looking for suggestions/solutions etc. I'm sure I missed something in my troubleshooting steps.
Thanks in advance for those who read through this and try to give a hand. I appreciate it.
Wow. Since you've already gone to extreme measures, I'm at a loss. My suggestion would be to freeze the apps you do install to look for a culprit there. Or, don't install any and see how the phone performs.
I restored a nandroid prior to Google's 10¢ apps promo and my phone is back in fine form. It was lagging badly before that. I was rebooting daily. Now I go for days and the phone's solid.
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I was experiencing similar issues about a week after updating to blitzkrieg 1.0. I restored from backup and it's been stable since. I just installed 2.0 today, so I'm curious to see if it'll have the same effect.
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I can't say yet whether or not 2.0 has added to or taken away from the response type issues. I did have to do a couple of battery pulls yesterday just to get firefox to do anything. I'm going to uninstall that one. I may, just for S&G's do one more factory wipe and put all the tweaks and mods in place before downloading anything but the most essential programs. I did this phone, but the unresponsiveness sometimes can be a real pain.
What do you have it clocked at? I have issues at 1.9 so maybe back it down a bit. I get lots of screen freezes and have had some rebooting issues at 1.9
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What do you have it clocked at? I have issues at 1.9 so maybe back it down a bit. I get lots of screen freezes and have had some rebooting issues at 1.9
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Currently I have it at 1.7, before when it was really bad, the oc wasn't sticking and I was at 1024, so not overclocked much. I am sure its an app that is causing the problem, but I'm not sure what.
I've never had this type of issue using Blietzkreig or any of the other tweaks so I'd guess you're right in thinking it's an app. Since you've pretty much tried everything else I would say maybe try going back to complete stock then rooting again? That just seems like what I would try if I had tried everything else and nothing worked.
And yeah you definitely don't want to overclock too much because it could definitely damage the hardware of your phone since it's not meant to run at that level. But you said you had it at 1.0ghz so it doesn't seem like that is the problem unless the damage was cause when running at 1.7ghz. I had mine at 1.9 and didn't see any issues except my phone randomly started to vibrate for a while then just restart. It did that twice when i first flashed everything but it seems fine now. I brought it down to 1.0ghz just cuz i'm not really using it now and I don't want it causing any problems with the hardware.
Thanks for the Feedback everyone. I am not sure what the issue is/was/going to be. I think Firefox was a big part of it and I have since removed it. But I am still getting random freezes, almost like the deep sleep while the screen is on. Oh well, maybe I do need to go back to complete stock.
There seems to be plenty of us still suffering sleep deaths on our cappies and I figured an up-to-date list of possible remedies would be nice, just in case there's been any progress in figuring out what causes the problem and how one could go about fixing it.
So far the solutions I've tried that did not work for me...
-Increased minimum clock speed
-Increased voltage of minimum clock speed
-Removed Titanium Backup
-Removed all third party apps
-Disabled deep idle
-Removed/didn't use task killers
-Tried various ICS & JB ROMs
-Tried various ICS and JB kernels, including baked-in versions
-Tried i9000 bootloaders
These are pretty much all the details I have so far on these SoDs, hopefully they add up to a possible cause or explanation...
-SoDs happen anywhere from 1-2 times an hour to 1-2 times a day and only when screen is locked/phone is idle
-Having GrooveIP or Skype running doesn't prevent SoDs, but Pandora Radio running seems to prevent it
-Sometimes on a fresh ROM install I can go about 24-36 hours before the first sleep death, but after that they occur normally
-If I unlock the screen every few minutes it seems to stay on. If I let it sit anywhere from 15-30 minutes or longer then it will usually shut off.
-The only time I can get this phone to not suffer an SoD is on stock software(GB KK4). Not sure what this means, but it is aggravating because I would like to have better software.
What remedies have you tried, and what worked/didn't work for you?
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There seems to be plenty of us still suffering sleep deaths on our cappies and I figured an up-to-date list of possible remedies would be nice, just in case there's been any progress in figuring out what causes the problem and how one could go about fixing it.
So far the solutions I've tried that did not work are...
-Increase minimum clock speed
-Increase voltage of minimum clock speed
-Remove Titanium Backup
-Remove all third party apps
-Oneclick back to stock with most recent GB bootloaders
-Disable deep idle
-Remove/don't use task killers
My sleep-deaths are random, almost always occur over night while I'm asleep, can sometimes happen within seconds or minutes after locking the screen. Leaving apps running also doesn't stop the problem(GrooveIP is always running, Skype is running most of the time).
The only thing that stops sleep deaths on my phone is leaving it plugged in.
What remedies have you tried, and what worked/didn't work for you?
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The first thing I'd try after disabling deep idle is to change kernel. Also, usually sleep deaths happen even when plugged so yours is kinda special lol.
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The first thing I'd try after disabling deep idle is to change kernel. Also, usually sleep deaths happen even when plugged so yours is kinda special lol.
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I've used all sorts of different kernels and ROMs, get SoDs with everything. Some might result in a day or maybe three days of no sleep deaths, but they eventually start right back up without any sort of a "trigger" to cause it...like changing a certain setting or installing a certain app.
I was hoping someone would have determined the actual cause by now but it seems it's still an unknown factor causing it.
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I've used all sorts of different kernels and ROMs, get SoDs with everything. Some might result in a day or maybe three days of no sleep deaths, but they eventually start right back up without any sort of a "trigger" to cause it...like changing a certain setting or installing a certain app.
I was hoping someone would have determined the actual cause by now but it seems it's still an unknown factor causing it.
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SoD doesn't happen much with JB, it's usually due to deep idle or bad kernel user config (not saying this is the case here).
Have you tried flashing back to stock KK4 and do a clean flash of whichever ROM you want to use?
If you could narrow down what causes it or get some sort of logcat of when it happens, that would probably help. Although, flashing back to stock still seems like the best bet.
Also, you're running on a nightly build (as per your signature). Ever concidered using a daily (stable) ROM?
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SoD doesn't happen much with JB, it's usually due to deep idle or bad kernel user config (not saying this is the case here).
Have you tried flashing back to stock KK4 and do a clean flash of whichever ROM you want to use?
If you could narrow down what causes it or get some sort of logcat of when it happens, that would probably help. Although, flashing back to stock still seems like the best bet.
Also, you're running on a nightly build (as per your signature). Ever concidered using a daily (stable) ROM?
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I've wiped back to stock numerous times and have used many different stable ICS/JB kernels and ROMs. I've tweaked almost every kernel setting possible, tried all sorts of different overclocks, tried deep idle on and off, etc.
The only time I never had SoDs is when the phone was originally stock. Ever since the first time I rooted and ROM'd it I've been getting sleep deaths. I have not tried actually using stock software again to see if the SoDs go away mainly because I don't want stock software.
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I've wiped back to stock numerous times and have used many different stable ICS/JB kernels and ROMs. I've tweaked almost every kernel setting possible, tried all sorts of different overclocks, tried deep idle on and off, etc.
The only time I never had SoDs is when the phone was originally stock. Ever since the first time I rooted and ROM'd it I've been getting sleep deaths. I have not tried actually using stock software again to see if the SoDs go away mainly because I don't want stock software.
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That's very unusual. If I were you I'd still try to use stock for testing purpose. Oh and I'm sure you already tried this but don't OC/UV.
If you don't get SoD on stock, try flashing something else that people haven't reported SoD on (like AoCP on stock kernel). Which makes me wonder, have you used a JB rom with it's stock kernel (CM10/AoKP)?
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That's very unusual. If I were you I'd still try to use stock for testing purpose. Oh and I'm sure you already tried this but don't OC/UV.
If you don't get SoD on stock, try flashing something else that people haven't reported SoD on (like AoCP on stock kernel). Which makes me wonder, have you used a JB rom with it's stock kernel (CM10/AoKP)?
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Most ROMs I've tried I kept the stock kernel. I'm also on the stock kernel for CM10 at the moment.
I have tried two different AOSP ROMs with their stock kernels and had SoDs on those as well.
I have also tried no OC with at least three different kernels/ROMs.
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Most ROMs I've tried I kept the stock kernel. I'm also on the stock kernel for CM10 at the moment.
I have tried two different AOSP ROMs with their stock kernels and had SoDs on those as well.
I have also tried no OC with at least three different kernels/ROMs.
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I'm really running outta ideas here.. This doesn't seem normal. Only other thing I can really think of is either that it's coming from a app or it's a hardware problem (maybe battery but somehow doubt it).
So yeah, only thing I could suggest other than stock KK4 and AoCP is to clean flash without restoring your apps (Gapps are fine of course) and use stock kernel.. After that, I'm all outta ideas.
You got some testing to do, I'll be looking forward to the results.
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I'm really running outta ideas here.. This doesn't seem normal. Only other thing I can really think of is either that it's coming from a app or it's a hardware problem (maybe battery but somehow doubt it).
So yeah, only thing I could suggest other than stock KK4 and AoCP is to clean flash without restoring your apps (Gapps are fine of course) and use stock kernel.. After that, I'm all outta ideas.
You got some testing to do, I'll be looking forward to the results.
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The only apps that have been consecutive across all my different software installations have been...
-Gapps
-Gmail
-Facebook
-Pandora
-GrooveIP
-Heywire
-Skype(Only been using this for a couple of weeks so I can probably rule it out)
I could try a fresh CM10 nightly and only run gapps. Maybe wait a few days and then install GrooveIP, wait a few days and then install Skype, etc until I can maybe get an app install to trigger the SoDs.
You mentioned logcats...what are those? Is this some sort of debug log? If so, do you think it could actually pick up any events leading up to an SoD or even log the SoD itself? I'd imagine if that was possible someone would have posted the results by now.
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The only apps that have been consecutive across all my different software installations have been...
-Gapps
-Gmail
-Facebook
-Pandora
-GrooveIP
-Heywire
-Skype(Only been using this for a couple of weeks so I can probably rule it out)
I could try a fresh CM10 nightly and only run gapps. Maybe wait a few days and then install GrooveIP, wait a few days and then install Skype, etc until I can maybe get an app install to trigger the SoDs.
You mentioned logcats...what are those? Is this some sort of debug log? If so, do you think it could actually pick up any events leading up to an SoD or even log the SoD itself? I'd imagine if that was possible someone would have posted the results by now.
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A Logcat is simply a log of everything your phone does (Logcat Extreme is a good app for it). You'd have to set it to run in background until a SoD happen and then you'd see w/e your phone did before the SoD happened. Could help narrow down the problem. The only thing I'm not sure is if it will save the log before your phone shuts down but that could be something to look into. If not, then it won't be any help eh.
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A Logcat is simply a log of everything your phone does (Logcat Extreme is a good app for it). You'd have to set it to run in background until a SoD happen and then you'd see w/e your phone did before the SoD happened. Could help narrow down the problem. The only thing I'm not sure is if it will save the log before your phone shuts down but that could be something to look into. If not, then it won't be any help eh.
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I'll check out that app right now and report back with any findings.
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I'll check out that app right now and report back with any findings.
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Booted phone up just now after an SoD and the only log available is the one it just started. So if it logged anything before it looks like it didn't save it. Crap.
One-clicked back to stock GB KK4 and after a few hours I have yet to get a sleep death so far, but overnight idling will be the final test for that. That's with the following installed...
-GoLauncherEX
-Skype
-Gmail
-Facebook
-Opera
-GrooveIP
-Heywire
While installing all my apps I realized that the GrooveIP installation I was using was an apk I got ages ago, one that I don't think has been automatically updating. I thought maybe that could be the issue so I went with a fresh install from the market.
If it turns out that SoDs only appear when rooted/ROM'd then I'll probably toss this phone once I find a replacement because I can't be without my CM10 and devil kernel. I really wish someone could figure out the cause and a possible solution for this.
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One-clicked back to stock GB KK4 and after a few hours I have yet to get a sleep death so far, but overnight idling will be the final test for that. That's with the following installed...
-GoLauncherEX
-Skype
-Gmail
-Facebook
-Opera
-GrooveIP
-Heywire
While installing all my apps I realized that the GrooveIP installation I was using was an apk I got ages ago, one that I don't think has been automatically updating. I thought maybe that could be the issue so I went with a fresh install from the market.
If it turns out that SoDs only appear when rooted/ROM'd then I'll probably toss this phone once I find a replacement because I can't be without my CM10 and devil kernel. I really wish someone could figure out the cause and a possible solution for this.
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CM10 features can be found in other ROMs. As for Devil, it could be the problem. Hopefully KK4 will be fine, at least we'll have a start point to work from. If you get SoD on it, get rid of GrooveIP and heywire. We'll then know if it's app related.
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BWolf56 said:
CM10 features can be found in other ROMs. As for Devil, it could be the problem. Hopefully KK4 will be fine, at least we'll have a start point to work from. If you get SoD on it, get rid of GrooveIP and heywire. We'll then know if it's app related.
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Still no SoD and that's with/without Skype running. GrooveIP boots with phone.
If it won't SoD on stock software then I wonder what the problem could be? It's SoD'd with every kernel and ROM I've ever tried.
Sorry for the extreme noob moment here, how do I tell if my device went into SoD? Is it when it gets so extremely slow that even the power button seems to have no effect?
I get that a lot when I've been browsing for a few minutes (even on stock browser) or when playing some games.
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JoeCastellon said:
Sorry for the extreme noob moment here, how do I tell if my device went into SoD? Is it when it gets so extremely slow that even the power button seems to have no effect?
I get that a lot when I've been browsing for a few minutes (even on stock browser) or when playing some games.
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SoD means, while idle, that it randomly turns itself off. It was a defect in X amount of phones produced up to a certain IMEI number, and ATT/Samsung at one point offered an exchange program so people can turn theirs in for a model that didn't have the issue.
What you're suffering from is low memory. You probably have apps running in the background that are utilizing X amount of RAM, and your browsing/gaming is eating up the rest which slows down the phone. Some ways to fix this...
-Use a kernel that allows you to increase maximum memory. I think Devil kernel allows up to 396mb with no downsides, and 413mb at the cost of something that has to do with playing a certain video resolution IIRC.
-Use a task killer. This lets you kill running tasks except for those you choose to "lock." Some advise against using a task killer, but honestly I've yet to have a problem with any of them. My favorite is the one you can get for GOLauncherEX.
-Use Titanium Backup to delete(or freeze if you buy the pro version) apps that you don't use that you can safely remove, specifically items that constantly run in the background eating up your RAM.
-Use a different ROM. There's plenty of ROMs out there including slim/aosp/etc releases that are faster and arguably better-performing.
I believe you tried this already but using the I9000 bootloaders seems to have fixed the SoD issue for many people on JB.
I'm not sure if that would change anything, but try flashing Mosaic.
BWolf56 said:
I believe you tried this already but using the I9000 bootloaders seems to have fixed the SoD issue for many people on JB.
I'm not sure if that would change anything, but try flashing Mosaic.
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I don't think I've tried the i9000 bootloaders. Any time I flash back to stock I use the link in my sig(one-click w/ bootloaders) and those are the GB version. My phone still hasn't SoD'd on stock software/GB bootloaders so I wouldn't think those bootloaders are the problem, but on the other hand I suppose it's possible that a third party kernel/rom clash with them on my phone.
Are there any downsides to using the i9000 bootloaders? Would you happen to have a link to this mosaic thing you mentioned?
ETA: If it matters any, when I got the phone I believe it was on GB KK4 and was never modded before. When I got it I used the easy-root to corn 7.0a method and first ran Legend5 ICS ROM. That was the first time I started suffering sleep deaths. Ever since then I have used the one-click back to stock w/ GB bootloaders before using any other kernel or rom.
I've used several different kernels/cwm versions to obtain root, at least 6 different ROMs, several different versions of gapps, and numerous other kernels after ROM installation. I've also used the baked-in kernel of each ROM for at least several days before upgrading to something like Devil or Sema. SoDs on everything, both ICS and JB.
I have also tried one-clicking back to stock with what I believe were "up-to-date" GB bootloaders. This was posted by another member that did it and fixed his SoD problem. It didn't produce any sort of a change for me.
I have not tried checking for SoDs on just a root(without ROM). I suppose if I did this I could figure out if it's the root or the ROM that is triggering the sleep deaths, but even if I did get any results from that I'm still not sure how to figure out exactly what's causing the problem since this event apparently can't be logged.
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I don't think I've tried the i9000 bootloaders. Any time I flash back to stock I use the link in my sig(one-click w/ bootloaders) and those are the GB version. My phone still hasn't SoD'd on stock software/GB bootloaders so I wouldn't think those bootloaders are the problem, but on the other hand I suppose it's possible that a third party kernel/rom clash with them on my phone.
Are there any downsides to using the i9000 bootloaders? Would you happen to have a link to this mosaic thing you mentioned?
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Mosaic is a ROM that was made by The Family; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1061203
It is I9000 based so I'm thinking you won't get any SoD on it. Thing is that it's not JB based. Devs aren't porting from I9000 anymore so you won't find a I9000 ported JB ROM. (Hoping I'm not wrong on this lol)
And yeah, many users reported that flashing the I9000 bootloaders with a JB ROM fixed their SoD problem. Back in GB, it wasn't suggested to have I9000 bootloaders and run a I897 ROM (music player wouldn't work and some other little things) but it seems fine now.
EDIT: I highly doubt root is the problem.
My brother's galaxy note have been facing serious sod problems since he bought the phone at Nov 2012. After he faced it the 1st time , he sent to SC and got it back. After 1-2months the problem came again and he asked for my help. I persume it was because the malaysian firmware of the ICS was somewhat unstable from what i read from forums here and there. So i changed the firmware to JB duno from which country when it came out in MAC. After a week or so. The problem reappeared . So I just decided to root and chnge the kernel and also the ROM. Changed the ROM to a stock rom and a kernel. Still the problem persist. I'm out of options. Went to the ****ty SC and the idiots just factory reset the phone and give u back. BUNCH OF RETAR*S . (sorry for my languange)
Hope someone here may help me out with my problem. Thanks a million :laugh:
Check all the apps you have installed maybe you find the bad one whose causing it as you have mentioned it comes after sometime of installing a fresh rom and have you tried any aosp rom maybe that will fix the issue
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abhinav quietly brilliant said:
Check all the apps you have installed maybe you find the bad one whose causing it as you have mentioned it comes after sometime of installing a fresh rom and have you tried any aosp rom maybe that will fix the issue
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I just installed an aosp rom (PA) and I hope it fixes the problem. Well I've seen the amount of apps installed in the note and its jst a quarter the amount I have in the Galaxy S2 and my S2 works like a charm. The note has been giving me headache ever since I got it from my brother. Hope this does solve it , if not I guess its something else maybe hardware
Phone sod twice on paranoid android. FML! Guess im visiting SC tmrw again.
Same problem with me..
My Note 1 has SOD since 1st time bought it..
be patience to install JB --> still SOD
change kernel to SpeedMod 5.3 --> SOD again
change kernel to PhilZ --> sometimes SOD
I have read many information that related with SOD in galnote 1, my opinion it is related with hardware too.. sometimes
or it is related with kernel... it can not wake from deep sleep..
anyone have another better suggestion to cure this ?
if u're using pure stock rom still facing the same problems then definitely is hardware issues！
if ur device still under warranties suggest bring to SC ask them do a thorough check on it n let them know what's going on actually...
Yes, I use stock ROM still has SOD,
so it's hardware issue for sure...
but I will keep the phone for now because sometimes SC doesn't give solution to this..
psywarx said:
Yes, I use stock ROM still has SOD,
so it's hardware issue for sure...
but I will keep the phone for now because sometimes SC doesn't give solution to this..
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Yeah and they will give your phone back only doing a factory reset lol
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I too get this SOD once a week on my GT-N7000
Phone status when this happens:
stock JB(earlier ICS), non-rooted, data connection, wifi, GPS, bluetooth all disabled. Battery mostly above 80%.
Gmail, Google+, Facebook and all other social n/w apps disabled (yes, i am an oldtimer )
During SOD, if a third party calls my number, he hears it ringing, but my handset is dead as dodo (quite dangerous as the calling person may think i am not answering it)
i used to get this when it was on ICS and still getting it after i upgraded to JB.
Most of the time, SOD occurs during wee hours in morning ( i used battery monitor app that logs battery stats every 10 minutes to check the time when this happens).
Sometimes it occurs when the phone is in my jeans back pocket. phone needs a 10 second press on pwr switch to restart it.
Turning off the "power saver" mode seem to reduce the probability of SOD.
i have taken this phone to SC and they re-flashed the JB.
i told the SC chap that i have already done this and couple of factory resets, but he said that they do "much more" than just re-flashing through kies like calibrating camera, bluetooth )
does anyone in the know, know if this is indeed true ?
Thanks
-mprab
updates...
After 2 days of re-flashing at a samsung authorised service center, i got SoD 2 times in a period of 12 hours.
once last night and second time when i was traveling to office.
Last night i installed some bare-minimum apps back after waiting 2 days for any SoD to happen in "stock" condition.
Well.... i did not pay 30K to use the GNote as just a phone, so installed some basic apps (Battery monitor, Bangalore BMTC, RealCalc, GPS Test, ES File explorer and a first time app StatusLogger)
phone went dead at 1:00 am in morning and as usual there was no wakeup alarm.
phone was warm to touch when it was lying dead. The battery which was 96% at 00:30 AM had gone down to 54% at 7:00 AM.
Status logger did not show any loss of GSM signal which might have resulted in phone transmitting at higher power/hunting for signal etc.
The "radio" seemed working, because when i made a call to the dead phone from my landline, i could hear the phone ring instead of expected "phone is switched off" message i was expecting.
So this has to do with application processor going in some infinite loop.
Uninstalling all apps is NOT an option.
anyone know if we can establish any debug connection to phone and know what the hell CPU is up to in this situation ?
any processor logger that will periodically log all the processes running on phone ?
SOD resolved... not a single one since 6 months.
Hey guys, just wanted to share this info with you, I had SOD's like anything and did all freakingly possible things right from flashing roms to kernels, speed up CPU, banging my head in front of the dumb witted morons at samsung service... to get rid of that pain. What helped me was an app called "WAKELOCK" by darken which is merely 72kb in size but works wonders, not a single SOD after that. What u need to do is.... it has a list of presets that makes sure your cpu stays up. You need to select the preset called "partial wake lock" which is at no. 4, and viola...
It ensures that the CPU is running. No SOD ever after. Also, you need to make it autorun on boot from the options. Yea, it does eat up batter a bit more but its definitely manageable. I still need to charge my note only at night.
Just to be sure, I uninstalled it and guess what, SOD returned. So, do try it, I hope it helps...