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Hey guys,
what do you think, is it possible to port the Android 2.3 Gingerbread from Nexus S to our Samsung Galaxy S. Because it has a similar hardware!
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You're fast , just wanted to ask this. Hope some legend dude will do this.
Theoretically it should be very simple to port the software. The only difference I can see from a hardware perspective is the NFC chip which simply needs to be disabled in software, and the missing search button which will need to be mapped to a menu long-press.
I did some work on the NITDroid project back when I had an N900, and neither of these is particularly difficult to do.
For nexus S info:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-nexus-s-with-gingerbread.html
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=samsung-galaxy-s
will the iNAND be a problem?
Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
i can't see any reason we will have issues bringing it to the galaxy s line, especially if its the same SoC... and hardware, gps might be different, but thats a huge bonus anyways
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Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
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yea the Nexus use the 16gb iNAND...
Since Samsung closely helped Google at making the hardware, hopefully we might have a quick 2.3 Samsung version for our devices
Which will then be easier to bring down to stock with the Cyanogen team progress
It must be far easier than a sense port or even cyanogen port.
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One thing that also caught my eye was, that the video recording isn't HD... probably to not throw away boatloads of RAM for the camera...
Arkanius said:
Since Samsung closely helped Google at making the hardware, hopefully we might have a quick 2.3 Samsung version for our devices
Which will then be easier to bring down to stock with the Cyanogen team progress
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I wouldn't bet on that. If Sammy released 2.3 in short order for the SGS it would cannibalize Nexus S sales. The aftermarket community is still the best bet.
binary110 said:
i can't see any reason we will have issues bringing it to the galaxy s line, especially if its the same SoC... and hardware, gps might be different, but thats a huge bonus anyways
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GPS is the same! Both using A-GPS Chips. The NFC Software must be Disabled, Bluethooth Updated to 3.0, Nexus S has only 2.1 and Video Recording Updated to 1280x720, Nexus S had 720x480
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Supercurio says the devices use different types of memory.
Might be a bit of a problem
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Thats the biggest problem, I think. SuperCurios Tweet to iNand Tweet
Leandros
This a premature thread. Once a dump or aosp is released only then can we begin to do something about it. Till then this is a discussion thread and not related to development. IMHO
What about rfs? Im sure google is not using it. We will have to work that out as well.
2.3 SDK is out so I see no problem in getting gingerbread.
Whether as a port from the NS or a homebrew I don't really care.
All I want is the integrated SIP client. Been missing this since switching from my Nokia e90 Communicator to Android 1 year ago.
I am interested how the nexus S fares against a hacked Galaxy S, don't think it will be any faster!
Mycorrhiza said:
2.3 SDK is out so I see no problem in getting gingerbread.
Whether as a port from the NS or a homebrew I don't really care.
All I want is the integrated SIP client. Been missing this since switching from my Nokia e90 Communicator to Android 1 year ago.
I am interested how the nexus S fares against a hacked Galaxy S, don't think it will be any faster!
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Everything is virtually the same.
I call up one the powers of the all powerful XDA to port the N:S for all the SGS's that are out there, so we can forget about samsung roms and use a normal google one
The Nexus S doesn't seem to support an external sd card. Likely another problem?
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The Nexus S doesn't seem to support an external sd card. Likely another problem?
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Maybe... but I can live without an external SDCARD for now...
Hello,
I joined the xda community about a year ago, first with my Htc Magic, then with my HD2. I have the opportunity to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab from some carrier for little extra money of my current Internet plan. And for 10 €/month more, I could get the new 10.1 version...
Although I do know that logically I should choose the 10.1, I still consider the 7'. Why ? Well, it would be cheaper at first. Then, I like the 7' size more and I'm not sure I would need Dual-Core processor for Internet surfing ! Also, the 10' model's phone app is blocked by the carrier, while it's not for the 7'...
But I digress !
Before to sign up to the plan, I'd like to take the pulse of the community. It's something I always do prior to purchasing a new device. I'm use to the HD2 orgy of Roms and OS and I must say that the less-furnished Development section for the Tab leaves me thinking. I don't doubt of the quaility of the ROMS but I wonder if devs are not already leaving the Tab's development for more recent Tablets and devices.
So...If you are a serial flasher like me, is the Tab a good invesmet ? I'd love to flash later CyanogenMod releases when there will be actual Tablet versions of it (for the moment, CM7 on a tablet is still in its early months) and of course Honeycomb or even better, Ice Cream Sandwhich. Will there be dev's at that moment ? Of course, I know it's not an easy question to answer but it's more about the community strengh until today actually...
Thanks and see you soon hopefully !
cm7 + tablet tweaks = win.
with roms, ill take quality over quantity, even tho there are only 3 2.3 roms, they are all badass.
the tab7 has been the best tech device ive ever owned, i have an ipad but it lives in the draw, its just way to big todo anything with other than using it in bed or on the toilet.
I suggest get the 7inch or wait for the new 7inch (who knows when that will come)
the only negative i have is that theres so many new devices out with dual core ect... but so far it hasnt stopped me from doing anything that these newer devices can do (you can play tegra games via chainfire) but eventually it will become an issue i guess.
The carrier matters.
More dev work is being done for the GSM variants at the moment. But spacemoose1 does have an alpha hc rom and dev continues in that.
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
DannyBiker said:
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
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Yeh, you can do a nandroid backup, or just find your stock firmware, from the website sam-firmware (i think thats it) or just brick it
Guys I am planning to buy a new phone. I want your suggestions about choosing the right one. I am relying on good battery life and phone which has a good amount of development going on (custom roms, kernels, miui, cyanogenmod, ics etc.) coz I love to fiddle with devices a lot. My current choices are :
Samsung galaxy R
Samsung galaxy S plus
HTC Desire S
HTC Incredible S
These are my options but senior members can suggest me phone in range of 23000 INR ($475).
Thanks in advance guys
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I came from the I9003, and I am pleased with the development of IncS, the Desire S might have more development. Samsung S+ and R both have the same level of development as the I9003.
Other impressions are: the sound quality of the earpiece of the IncS is not so good compared to the I9003. Music playback using headphone from the IncS is virtually unlistenable to me, the quality is too f***ed up for me, even worse than the I9003 which is not so good by my standard. Although this is kinda biased considering my audio setup on my PC is about a grand and my headphone setup is around 600$. Otherwise I'm more pleased with HTC firmwares and AOSP development here compared to Samsung.
whats wrong with your current phone? Your "upgrade" path seems to be a step sideways.
None, if I got a new phone on a budget, Id get a Sensation or Galaxy s II, the prices will really drop as the new phones are released in the next few months. They both have great developer support, and are dual core
Both those Samsungs dont have great developer support, and the HTC's mentioned are not cutting edge tech.. just my two cents
When I upgraded it was a mere 25$ spent, but yes now that you mentioned it, it is kinda a sidegrade that you only should do if you can do it cheap or you are fed up with the development of the I9003, which I did.
Nonverbose said:
whats wrong with your current phone? Your "upgrade" path seems to be a step sideways.
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I am planning to gift this phone to my brother. Had bought this phone something like 1 month ago. So hunting for new handset
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markj338 said:
None, if I got a new phone on a budget, Id get a Sensation or Galaxy s II, the prices will really drop as the new phones are released in the next few months. They both have great developer support, and are dual core
Both those Samsungs dont have great developer support, and the HTC's mentioned are not cutting edge tech.. just my two cents
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Thanks for the great info. Now I am in a fix. Might be my brother will have to bear with his old phone. Sheesh!
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bigeyes0x0 said:
When I upgraded it was a mere 25$ spent, but yes now that you mentioned it, it is kinda a sidegrade that you only should do if you can do it cheap or you are fed up with the development of the I9003, which I did.
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Hmm. Will have to get a better deal on galaxy s2 maybe or sensation
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ashzoomerintrack said:
Hmm. Will have to get a better deal on galaxy s2 maybe or sensation
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The htc Evo 3d is well within your price range, its got a larger screen, dual core processor, more powerful gpu and better dev support as well as being 3d.
Also the Droid razr is another high end phone that I have read many good reviews about. The price has dropped somewhat, and you could find one within your budget if you looked hard enough.
It really depends on what your criteria is, I personally have mixed feelings about the IncS and probably HTC phones in general. I also own a very low budget device, a huawei u8180 and I am actually 10x more satisfied with that than what I am with this phone. There's really only one dev with one rom/kernel worth using, but he is absolutely amazing, and constantly updating and improving his work, squeezing every last drop of performance out of such a low end budget device.
I could go on, but I don't want to upset the few devs who thankfully haven't forgotten that we still exist.
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Guys I am planning to buy a new phone. I want your suggestions about choosing the right one. I am relying on good battery life and phone which has a good amount of development going on (custom roms, kernels, miui, cyanogenmod, ics etc.) coz I love to fiddle with devices a lot. My current choices are :
Samsung galaxy R
Samsung galaxy S plus
HTC Desire S
HTC Incredible S
These are my options but senior members can suggest me phone in range of 23000 INR ($475).
Thanks in advance guys
Sent from my MIUI powered I9003 via Tapatalk
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Samsung R is the way to go. Because it is basically a stripped down version of the Galaxy S2. But the things is, it isn't available any more in india in many shops and THERE IS NO CYANOGENMOD FOR IT! Not official at least.
The second choice would be the Incredible S
Reasons:
1. Cyanogen mod 7. Official
2. better screen than the Desire
3. Better camera than any of the mentioned phones
4. SRS audio is amazing. And add to that, if you root it, you get DSP manager and trust me, after DSP, there isn't anything better than this device.
5. Overclocks up to 1.5 GHz. That's more than the amount on the Galaxy
6. 768MB ram
7. The softkeys can be completely made to disappear. Once rooted though.
jhon101 said:
Samsung R is the way to go. Because it is basically a stripped down version of the Galaxy S2. But the things is, it isn't available any more in india in many shops and THERE IS NO CYANOGENMOD FOR IT! Not official at least.
The second choice would be the Incredible S
Reasons:
1. Cyanogen mod 7. Official
2. better screen than the Desire
3. Better camera than any of the mentioned phones
4. SRS audio is amazing. And add to that, if you root it, you get DSP manager and trust me, after DSP, there isn't anything better than this device.
5. Overclocks up to 1.5 GHz. That's more than the amount on the Galaxy
6. 768MB ram
7. The softkeys can be completely made to disappear. Once rooted though.
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I had encounters with Samsung phones and I'm very disappointed in them , I'd go with a HTC and between Desire and Incredible definitely go for the Incredible S , I just gone from desire to incredible myself and its quite a jump , much much much better performance not laggy nor choppy , much more dev , love the S-LCD nice colored screen , the firm shape and the 8mp camera is just an overkill ^^
Jhon101 , how do you hide the softkeys? o.0 in cyanogenmod?
Imp0stoR said:
I had encounters with Samsung phones and I'm very disappointed in them , I'd go with a HTC and between Desire and Incredible definitely go for the Incredible S , I just gone from desire to incredible myself and its quite a jump , much much much better performance not laggy nor choppy , much more dev , love the S-LCD nice colored screen , the firm shape and the 8mp camera is just an overkill ^^
Jhon101 , how do you hide the softkeys? o.0 in cyanogenmod?
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It's a script. The lights are based on an LCD display and aren't like the ones on Galaxy phones where the logo just gets lighted up and it's there even when the phone is off.
Here's the Method:
1) Download and install GScript Lite from Android Market. Its free
https://market.android.com/details?i...riptLite&hl=en
2) Download the attached gscript.zip file and extract the two files buttonledON.sh & buttonledOFF.sh to SDCard/gscript (make "gscript" folder in root of sdcard if not present already)
3) Run Gscript Lite. Allow root permission .Click Menu >Add Script.
If u have placed the two script files in correct folder, they will appear. Open and save them both. (dont edit anything other than the Name..you can change it to LED ON/OFF... Run one to turn off led light, other to turn on back to norma)
4) Two icons of script will be there to let you turn on/off those led lights.
Here's the link of the two files : http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=744519&d=1318170330
You just got to be rooted that's all.
And mine doesn't switch on and off on will but is actually controlled by the baclklight settings. Eg: At lowest light, the Softkeys won't be viewable!
But of course you can access them. And they're brightest when you make the backlight the brightest. more convinient this way!
All credit goes to: jjdoctor for coming up with the script!
Make sure to hit thanks if I helped.
Hello all,
According to my depth researches, I'v summed up bits into a package:
- Atrix MB860 does have Wolfson WM9803L DAC chip. (1-?) (Even though all Tegra 2 AP20H should have the same SoC, but after a lot of questions, AP20H {Ventana} stands out for handheld performance (CPU, GPU), power only) Update: Wrong!
- The Asus Transformer uses Tegra 2 T20 , Wolfson WM9803L chip. Does have Voodoo sound support. Based on V1 voodoo drivers.
- I'v got into the same confusion about the 'L' in 'WMxxxxX'; The DAC is based on 2 revisions, both ends with L. Useless
- They both use same SoC implementation, very similiar drivers, nearly same headers. (Based on my own research.)
- Supercurio did not support the Atrix 4G, due its locked bootloader based on the V1 driver date of WM8903L. (So, he might not look back, Wolfson's WM1811 on the road) Update: Atrix 4G = Optimus 2x/Galaxy R
I know I might seem like asking questions, but it should also be considered as a dump project based on both devices. Plus, opening opportunities on other Tegra 2 hard/soft-ware porting.
I don't agree with the idea ignoring 1+ yr old phones with such capabilities...
I consider it just like the fame of the Gi9000, <<<Voodoo = major plus.
P.S. : Supercurio once stated that, Atrix 4G has a diff implementation... Though, after chatting over the IRC, he stated that he do not touch locked bootloader based phones. Thats totally different story. Diff implementation means indirect hardware access, using NVRAM i2c communication (registers)
Big thanks for supercurio, making our phones more valuable. Not anymore... -__-
Thank you all
I will appreciate any help/comment/feedback/correction/response.
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Thats Bla bla bla above...
Conclusion: Voodoo sound is communicating with #? low level registers with the DAC. Same as what ALSA mixer do when modifying STdac (ICS leak). Unfortunately, Atrix uses OSS on GB, or barebone ALSA thought thats not a problem.
Project STATUS:
Found the right DAC, its WM8993!! Developers/Anyone try Optimus 2x Voodoo sound driver using the patch, patch it to the kernel (WIP)... Loading Voodoo Sound Plus modules didn't work :/
Alternative to Voodoo app coming soon for Atrix/Optimus2x/GalaxyR Tegra 2 Ventana
Workaround for ICS Leak kernel and Kernel 3.x (that includes tiny-ALSA), install AlsaMixer from Play, modify STDac Only While listening to music (be sure not to leave the head/earphones on) to 15. Now you can drive 300 ohms headphones (Though its still limited, shows 10db but not exact) Note: When you remove the earphones or stop music for 5 secs, settings will revert.
List of the confusing/wrong info about Tegra 2 DAC links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1124198 Those guyz heard from Androud forums lol
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/moto...-sound-quality That guy heard from xda! ^
http://androidforums.com/motorola-at...ola-atrix.html Those are the guilty ones (kidding ), they referred to Tegra 250, thats Harmony used in Tablets not Vantanna 250. :silly:
Having Voodoo sound on the Atrix would be great! I had a Samsung Vibrant before my Atrix, and Voodoo sound was pretty nice! I really like how it sounded and all the settings that it had.
One that i miss for sure is the ability to make the sound mono. I haven't found how to do it on my Atrix yet.
Keep the good work dude! Hope to see it done soon! If it can be done.
I'll be glad to see voodoo sound capabilities on my atrix.Wish you can port this without any problem.
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WOOOOOO!! YESSSS!! FINALLY!! I know its not ready, but thank you for looking into it!
djluis48 said:
Having Voodoo sound on the Atrix would be great! I had a Samsung Vibrant before my Atrix, and Voodoo sound was pretty nice! I really like how it sounded and all the settings that it had.
One that i miss for sure is the ability to make the sound mono. I haven't found how to do it on my Atrix yet.
Keep the good work dude! Hope to see it done soon! If it can be done.
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Mono can be done as a software wise.
Use Poweramp, it has the mono DSP feature.
Good luck.
As stated guys, still haven't got my Atrix, and wish me a luck getting it .91 bootloader :/
bets of luck!! and it will be one hellova feat if u can pull this off ... i have used sgs, nexus s and sgs2 with voodoo ( yes i have purchasrd it from market )... and it makes them a formidable music player rival... i'd really really love to see it for ATRIX also
My friend had this on his Samsung Galaxy Tab and I have been jealous of him ever since lol. I was hoping someone would port it but had given up. I'm glad to see someone is on the case!
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Guys, I need your help.
Test this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zausan.zdevicetest&hl=en
Or at Play store: Z-DeviceTest
I wan't an info about the DAC. Since i still don't have my Atrix 4G.
Just curious about the WM8903, this info was based on some rumors, a confirmation surely helps, since most tegra 2 ap20h are based on WM8990
EDIT: My Atrix is comming after 2 days...
what to check with that app ?
plus i found some things that u might want to read..( or already read it )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124198
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/motorola-atrix-sound-quality
http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/265304-wolfson-audio-hub-hd-motorola-atrix.html
I have downloaded that app but i can't find anything about the DAC...
raghul said:
what to check with that app ?
plus i found some things that u might want to read..( or already read it )
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124198
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549644/motorola-atrix-sound-quality
http://androidforums.com/motorola-atrix-4g/265304-wolfson-audio-hub-hd-motorola-atrix.html
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Yes I already read it
However, the last link was a guess before the Atrix release i guess, though, what they said is about the Tegra 250 T20 not the A20HP...
All T20 has the WM8903L, while all the A20HP has the WM8990. Thats the confusing part, however, when i get the Atrix, Ill be analyzing the implementation they are using... Might be indirect driver, but i dont think so (Inside a SoC=Direct)
Confusing topic also: http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/shenit-com/18404-tegra-t250-vs-tegra-t20-same-thing.html
What also worries me about the Moto X2. It does have Tegra 2 Ventana. No voodoo sound support, or at least DAC lookout. I don't think there is any A20HP with WM8903 (Does moto play with the sound layer? It should be strict since its a SoC)
I'm not sure between an implementation fault, or lack of support (VoodooSound author). (Though the GS is old)...
Dude, tell me if there is any way i can help you. This is something i really want to help with this project.
Now this is the way for the diff. between T20/T2 ...
http://www.toradex.com/Products/Colibri/Modules/Colibri-T20
And guys, this thread is leaning towards dumping, which clarification can be simplified by yes or no (nothing new), due to poor documentation etc...
And please, can anyone test this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=zausan.zdevicetest&hl=en
It only shows the DAC name on SoC based systems...
Worked with Galaxy R. Result: WM8990 ...
Can't wait to get the Atrix. I'm eager about it...
Plus, I won't lean to the software part, only hardware.
In case it needs to be re-developed, I will work only on the driver. (More to C orientation / kernel...)
Edit: okay, thanks Night Walker! ! For testing the app
Okay guys,
Anybody owns one of these devices except the Atrix:
T2-A20HP:LG Optimus 2X, Motorola Atrix 4G, Motorola Droid X2, Motorola Photon, Samsung Galaxy R, Samsung Captivate Glide
Other: i9023, i9000, Galaxy Tab.
If yes, try the same app above, seems the only app that shows the chip info through alsa...
O2X uses different implementation, thats why supercurio gave a deep shot supporting it, even though, it only supports bits of the original voodoo capabilities...
Can't wait for the new Kaudio driver, might work with the Atrix with no SoC mods.
Just another sound driver made specifically for voodoo. (LG uses its own implementation to the DAC, its driver)
Here is a screen shot of the sound section of that app on my atrix running paranoid android 1.9.5
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Here is a screen shot of the sound section of that app on my atrix running paranoid android 1.9.5
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Same as yours on neutrino 2.8.
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K, the Atrix 4G has a different driver...
Tpr0,
I'm unfortunately not a dev, but is there any way I can help with this project?
Guys, sorry for the delay, got ill. And yes, I know your intentions towards support...
I still haven't got my hands 'tight' on the project, got distracted by setting it up... (the Atrix kernel compilation errors)
Anyways, thanks guys, it certainly needs a (low level dev. me) I'm not a high-level programmer, more into hardware level (intermediate) But this project doesn't seem hard to accomplish, but poor documentation does it... ( IT is based on low level programming )
Hello. I have written an app that helps to improve the accuracy of the S-Pen. It works only on Note phones because Samsung has compiled some S-Pen device driver interfaces out of the tablet ROMs. It is not clear why they did this. I have asked Samsung but gotten no replies. I have confirmed that parts of the kernel code is commented out in the open source kernel code (and you can see that some of the interface files found on phones do not exist on the tablets). It seems that the tablets suffer from the same issues related to the S-Pen as do the phones and I have many people asking me to make my app work on their tablets. I cannot do so with the stock ROMs because of the missing interface files.
So I am wondering if there any non-stock ROMs in which the S-Pen is more fully supported. The missing files are located on my phone in /sys/class/sec/sec_epen/ and the two files I need are called epen_hand and epen_rotation. If anyone knows of any ROMs for the S-Pen equipped tablets that provide these interface files, I would appreciate knowing and may be able to direct some folks to using them.
Thanks
It's going to be good if we can use Pen in our tablets
but i guess you need to post this Thread In Developing Sector because what you need is Developing general is just for simple Questions and things like that
I hope you can do it ^_^
MoNsTeRmUk said:
It's going to be good if we can use Pen in our tablets
but i guess you need to post this Thread In Developing Sector because what you need is Developing general is just for simple Questions and things like that
I hope you can do it ^_^
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Oops. You are correct. Sorry. Please ignore.