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Help me define. Simple HOW OFF is Off-Topic?
Does anyone know...?
lol... give your best shot.. IQ
LEGO comes to mind.
I never see people here helping each other build cool lego models..
So in other words, you're asking what's OFF Limits in a OFF-TOPIC section? Hmmm .... threats of any kind, damning or belittling(sp?) someone else's religious or political beliefs, making fun of people physical/emotional/psychological disabilities even if it's your friends or family member. Promoting racism, child porn, child abuse, advocating violence, and supporting rape is a definite no no and barbaric in my book. Making fun of someone's grief over a death of a friend or family is also barbaric.
Or how off limits can you be Off Topics section without being banned? As some say, the sky is the limit, but here, the limit is the sky, lol. Child rearing and relational issues are within the bounds in this section, which I haven't heard much about here. But who knows
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Help me define. Simple HOW OFF is Off-Topic?
Does anyone know...?
lol... give your best shot.. IQ
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Your previous post, sending people to survey links would definitely be off limits. Creating threads for free webhosting sites over and over again would also be off limits. Spam is something we try to avoid. Members help by alerting mods to these types of posts. Violators can be warned or banned, depending on the severity of their actions.
I'd also agree with the things robosiris said earlier, as we'd like to keep this forum a friendly place for all to enjoy.
Other than that, off-topic is pretty open. Lego Mindstorm projects would be a great topic
...so off-topic isnt really Off-Topic? or is Everything aother than xda phones
NOT SPAM JUST READ ON...( For MODERATOR )
or is anything other than xda phones, softwares and gadgets considered as SPAM. Yes i do agree maybe I erred since I was kinda "zit" where the "limit" of Off-topic was concerned, no one would expect it to be so ENTIRELY "LIMITED"...
I STRONGLY agree 1000% with "robosiris" stuff like that should NEVER be tolerated... and commend XDA moderators+ for being swift on posts and for implementing this feature in their Administration.
Ok then, is it better to QUIT Off-Topic? Since "Off" is not yet defined...
SINCE the statement below contradicts the usual statements i get... "your topic is not related to phones, etc..... always about xda phones... and so on..."
Then IS THAT "Off-Topic"? yet according to Alex (moderator)... Of-topic is Defined...as pretty much Free..
""Your previous post, sending people to survey links would definitely be off topic. Creating threads for free webhosting sites over and over again would also be off topic. Spam is something we try to avoid. Members help by alerting mods to these types of posts. Violators can be warned or banned, depending on the severity of their actions.
I'd also agree with the things robosiris said earlier, as we'd like to keep this forum a friendly place for all to enjoy.
Other than that, off-topic is pretty open. Lego Mindstorm projects would be a great topic ""
MOD...(ALEX) Help Me... Determine what i did wrong... then "zit" THIS Post..
aftershock said:
NOT SPAM JUST READ ON...( For MODERATOR )
or is anything other than xda phones, softwares and gadgets considered as SPAM. Yes i do agree maybe I erred since I was kinda "zit" where the "limit" of Off-topic was concerned, no one would expect it to be so ENTIRELY "LIMITED"...
I STRONGLY agree 1000% with "robosiris" stuff like that should NEVER be tolerated... and commend XDA moderators+ for being swift on posts and for implementing this feature in their Administration.
Ok then, is it better to QUIT Off-Topic? Since "Off" is not yet defined...
SINCE the statement below contradicts the usual statements i get... "your topic is not related to phones, etc..... always about xda phones... and so on..."
Then IS THAT "Off-Topic"? yet according to Alex (moderator)... Of-topic is Defined...as pretty much Free..
""Your previous post, sending people to survey links would definitely be off topic. Creating threads for free webhosting sites over and over again would also be off topic. Spam is something we try to avoid. Members help by alerting mods to these types of posts. Violators can be warned or banned, depending on the severity of their actions.
I'd also agree with the things robosiris said earlier, as we'd like to keep this forum a friendly place for all to enjoy.
Other than that, off-topic is pretty open. Lego Mindstorm projects would be a great topic ""
MOD...(ALEX) Help Me... Determine what i did wrong... then "zit" THIS Post..
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I've changed my post to read 'off-limits' instead of 'off-topic' in two key areas, which should hopefully make more sense.
It was late and I didn't realize I was using the same words to explain myself, which tends to lead to a very confusing response
i simple do not know and even do not care what is in and what out - off topic.
but .... am glad to have a place where i can relax and read some other stuff than all about htc devices.
this is where i go when i need to get three steps back and after a while again move forwards install applications, customize, soft reset, hard reset, browse and read off topic, install applications, customize, soft reset, hard ... ;-)
cheers
No offense meant to anyone. But why was this thread closed ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609557
It wasn't posted in the wrong section. It is the definition of off-topic. It wasn't political. It wasn't racially or ethnically offensive. It wasn't obscene. Just because one ( again no offense ) didn't like it ?
I guess this begs the bigger question, what is the exact definition of off-topic that Mods use to decide on closing a thread ? What is too off topic. And is it a group decision to close a thread or is it a personal one ?
I have seen a lot of off....off....off topic threads in this section allowed to run their course and die ( " ...who here likes melon ? .....) Just wondering what is the definition and what is too far ?
As I felt that our discussion regarding the above-noted thread did not end on a positive tone, I took it upon myself to discuss my action of closing the thread with Flar ... as she is one of the Administrators of XDA, and ultimately should have a final word on what content should be permissible.
I remain firm that the thread should remain closed as it will simply serve to instigate a "flamewar" session amongst fellow XDA members or encourage comments that could be construed as a personal attack on Tiger Woods behaviour as depicted by the media.
That said, I am additionally concerned that closing the thread may also communicate a form of censoring as you implied - which is certainly not my intention. After my discussions with Flar, we have agreed to re-open the thread with the caveat that it not deteriorate into a personal attack on Tiger Woods or fellow XDA members.
Here is the relevant excerpt from our conversation
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Hi denco7,
My intention was certainly not to offend you or to "sensor" the Off-Topic forum. I felt that no positive or constructive outcome would come from this thread.
Regards,
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Don't get me wrong, I was neither offended nor did I think that you were censoring anyone's rights to their opinion.
There have been a lot of way of topic threads that have turned into fun little conversations. Getting personal insights and opinions on things from people who you usually interact with on a purely technical basis, let's you know people a little bit better and gives you an additional perspective on people. I think that is what off-topic is all about and there for. I don't think anyone is loking for anything constructive out of these threads, just fun.
I have always thought that moderation should be done in moderation. And if you thought that that violated the forum rules for off-topic, I thought that maybe it was time to start a conversation on what exactly off-topic was for and what content is too off-topic. And it wasn't just that particular thread, so I hope you weren't offended .
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I have little interest in Tiger Woods' sex life or his moral make up. The only problem that I have is with " over moderation " In a semi public forum ( privately owned , but open to the public ) , as long as a thread does not violate forum rules, it should be allowed to run it's course and die a natural death. It is a public statement and the trashing of the thread , because one person objects to it's content or sees into the future that it " might " go awry, is censorship. I am however pleasantly surprised and most impressed that you were concerned enough to discuss it with Flar and return the threads. You have my utmost respect for doing the " right " thing despite your personal trepidations.
All that being said, let's get to my point in starting this thread. What is everyone else's opinion on what the off-topic thread should be. Aside from obvious offensive material like politics , war , race, ethnicity, porn, should we be allowed to discuss anything or just phones, HTC, or electronics.
What do people think off-topic should be, and what do you think is too off-topic
Sorry I have sbagliato where postare !
Bye
Simone
To answer your question as to what is off-topic? This thread certainly counts. You win the prize!
The TownHall Meeting has been officially started. Here are the rules of engagement:
Ok, enough joking for now. Here are the true rules of engagement:
1. Posts that are flaming or flame bait are to be deleted, no questions asked.
2. Language to be edited on sight....
3. No banning, No infractions.
4. Moderators will act only as a mediator, so we will not be taking sides with anyone.
Welcome everyone
@everyone,
Please respect the rules above and I can guarantee you that by the end of the day, we will have a much happier and friendlier atmosphere in this place.
Summary of action items
This was a good meeting in General and it has covered all of the things that I had in my agenda. A few action items on our (mods) end:
1. New threads for ROM updates: Rom threads become quasi chaotic after page 100 or so. Since Chefs update most of their work often, I would suggest that chefs open a new thread for each version with a date and version number to distinguish it from the previous one (maybe even a name)
ie [ROM] 12/15/10 - Inchybrid v 1.2 - all is good now
2. Rom Review Thread: In order to minimize the clutter of the usual "what rom is best" questions, we will start a ROM thread where chefs can post a link to their roms on the first few posts and users will be able to leave reviews (not necessarily feedback), but reviews. So, when someone comes asking for the best rom, that person can be directed there.
3. Wiki update and guides (sticky): These need to be heavily updated, but will certainly be a useful tool to help people with questions.
4. Location / shape of the Report button: I will talk to the other admins and see what can be done about this one.
5. Preventing non-devs from making new threads in Dev: We are currently discussing a system for this. We will keep you posted if and when we reach a conclusion.
6. Off Topic Lounge: There will be a thread in General for you guys to blow off steam. Nothing fancy, but you can post there without having to open a new thread in OT general
Now, onto the action items results and requests from us (mods)
1. Further flaming for questions will not be tolerated. I gathered from this meeting that everyone agrees on a stance that people need not be flamed for asking anything. If there are questions in the wrong areas or simply don't feel like answering, refrain from posting and report it to us. We will move it to Q&A or General depending on the question. Building on this point, if anyone is caught flaming someone who posted in the correct section, that person will be given a vacation.
2. Rule 12 (aka Kanging): Rom chefs (no matter if they are themers or zip wizards), if they are using someone else's efforts as a base for their rom, they are to abide by Rule 12 by asking permission and posting the due credit in the opening post. Kanging will not be tolerated.
3. Donations: This was barely brushed but I feel that we reached an understanding rather quickly on this one. Chefs shall not ask for Donations to release early work.
4. Posting any kind of flaming will not be tolerated. If you feel that a post shouldn't be there, please let us know and we will take care of that.
I think this pretty much summed everything up. If I missed something, please let me know. I expect everyone to adhere to codes of conduct in this site. Thanks to all for attending.
I think the problems in the Development forums stem from a general misconception of what it means to be a "developer" and how one earns that title. Often I will hear people flame people like Team Whiskey or Master as mere "re-skinners", because the main(not all) thing that is in their changelog is mere aesthetic changes. I think the mods should post clearly that anything that involves changing the rom should be considered a type of development, even if only graphical development. This would dissolve any type of hate towards people that reskin or release graphical modifications to already existing roms.(IMHO)
Ok, since we are off to a slow start, there are a few topics that I would like to address today. The biggest one, in my book anyways, is forum conduct.
We have had numerous complains coming from the Vibrant fora from newcomers (n00bs) complaining that they cannot even dare ask anything due to fear of being flamed to smithereens. Anyone care to elaborate on this?
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I think the problems in the Development forums stem from a general misconception of what it means to be a "developer" and how one earns that title. Often I will hear people flame people like Team Whiskey or Master as mere "re-skinners", because the main(not all) thing that is in their changelog is mere aesthetic changes. I think the mods should post clearly that anything that involves changing the rom should be considered a type of development, even if only graphical development. This would dissolve any type of hate towards people that reskin or release graphical modifications to already existing roms.(IMHO)
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Thanks for starting things off...
So, what you are saying is that a lot of the flaming occurs due to skinners being deemed as kangers. Am I getting this right?
I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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Fair enough, let me bring forth the rule that addresses this issue "Using the work of others"
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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In essence skinning is ok so as long as the member seeks permission from the original dev. It looks like the biggest problem is either a misunderstanding about this rule or lack of knowledge about its existence by both accusing party and "guilty/innocent" party. As a general rule of thumb, if you are making a rom that is based on someone else's work:
* Ask for permission
* Give credit where its due
Simple as that.
Interesting point...
From my experience on hero, people tend to post a theme pack for a ROM. For example, a few regular users port the same few themes into each new ROM I make, and release an add-on patch for it.
They don't go and release it as a separate ROM, but if they did, I have no doubt they would ask me about it first, and I would say sure, but with the caveat that we don't want it to happen too often... What would people think if we had one ROM that is tweaked theme-wise a few times and re-posted as separate ROMs?
There's no "right" answer, but provided people ask the original developers, and give credit per rule 12, then there is no issue with the rules there, so users would be allowed to.
Whether or not it is a "ROM" is up to individual perspectives then.
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Fair enough, let me bring forth the rule that addresses this issue "Using the work of others"
In essence skinning is ok so as long as the member seeks permission from the original dev.
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I don't even think its a permission issue really. I've just seen in a few threads people calling a skinner a developer, and then you'll have a flamefest erupt of people saying that skinning or winzipping isn't developing. I think this leads everyone more away from the truth that it's all contributions to the community and should be treated as such.
As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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I don't even think its a permission issue really. I've just seen in a few threads people calling a skinner a developer, and then you'll have a flamefest erupt of people saying that skinning or winzipping isn't developing. I think this leads everyone more away from the truth that it's all contributions to the community and should be treated as such.
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Ok, I think that we are getting closer to the heart of the matter. Conceptions of what people's role is should not be grounds for calling someone out or flaming them. The whole thing actually gets simpler from this point on.
One (implied) rule of thumb is that if the "dev" in question cannot support their release, you are more than likely dealing with a themer or a "zip wizard" and as such, you are probably better off trying to find the source of the rom and apply the theme/fix as a separate add-on.
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As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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It may be a bit of added work, but the Rom review thread is not a bad idea. Just keep it clean from clutter and you have a very good tool to prevent new threads of "What is the best rom?" kind from erupting... I like that!
When it comes from flaming, some people will just put out flame bait for the hell of it. What I need, or at least I would like to see, is for everyone to stick to code of conduct and either ignore it, report it, or else, just not add to the fire.
First, we do recognize that we have a problem. We know this because 1) developers are leaving and forming their own sites because they don't like some of the things going on here. And 2) newer people are afraid to post here. Instead, they go to other forums and ask questions and state that they are afraid to post here. Both of these are big problems for the health of the site.
So, we look at the root causes. Most of them stem from 1) a lack of courtesy or 2) a lack of proper conduct. But I think the problems start with:
1. The Samsung Vibrant's stock software is not up to par due to some poor performing components, such as the GPS.
2. Samsung and T-Mobile have failed to communicate with their community.
3. Many people have come to sites like XDA for help.
What this means is that we have a lot of people in the Development forum who really aren't developers. But, they are here because they want help making their Vibrants perform better. That's not an excuse. I'm just saying that we probably have a lot of people in the Developer section who probably should be in QA or General section.
I think we would do well to:
1. Create a NooB forum, or emphasize the General forum as the place to be.
2. Post all new released ROMs in its own forum (not General, but "ROMS" or "Releases") That way people can go there for ROMS and for SUPPORT.
3. I would hope that this would enable the development forum to get back to being one were developers (or people who are interested in developing) could hang out.
Lastly, there are just some people who are like to cause trouble or are overly sensitive. I'm not sure what to do with them. But if they can't play nice, probably the first thing is to "parent" them and see if they can play nice. If that doesn't work, then it is time for a "timeout", or a temporary or permanent ban.
Lastly, while I appreciate the TownHall meeting, let's not lose site of the good things happening here. I would say that the majority of people are following the rules and making meaningful contributions. But if just 10% of the people do bad things, it colors the entire community.
The Vibrant subforums have seemed to be more Wild West than anything. I feel there should be a better mod presence. Don't get me wrong, I know exactly how difficult it is to do all the moderating, especially given how much of it is behind the scenes, but I feel that there is still some regulation lacking. We need to see more people get warned within threads that get out of hand, and frankly, some banning might get the message across that XDA is going to stop taking this crap from people. This board has gotten ridiculous w/ the flaming and incessant bs. Moderation can only go so much, since it's really up to the posting base to change their ways and be more respectful towards one another in order to truly make a long-term difference, but in the short-term we need some better, more aggresive moderation since changing peoples' posting habits will not be a quick thing to happen.
Proud to be a noob
I think there does seem to be a general consensus around us "noobs" about our failure to use the "search" function in a thread that has over 600 + pages of posts. God knows I would love to just flash a ROM and read basic information or FAQ's from the developer (the one individual who SHOULD know more about their own product than anyone) if I have questions, but when you have over 200 posts about how much others love/hate the ROM/developer or personal rants or recommendations/requests for the ROM they have had no part in developing, it does make it difficult to filter out the answer to the force close issue I am experiencing (for example). Then the flame wars begin! How DARE I ask that question since it was answered previously 42 pages back with a link to another developers thread, posted on page 418 of their 700 page manifesto...you get the hint. Finding basic answers to questions is challenging at best, and most newcomers end up getting ridiculed to the point of not wanting to have any further part, or end up flaming right back. Newsflash : just because you have flashed every possible combination of ROM/kernel/modem, does in no way make you an expert. Leave that to the people that make the ROM. Replies should be streamlined to relevant information allowed only, or force a PM if you want to discuss something irrelevant or bash a newcomer if it makes you feel better.
Keslynn said:
As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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I was think about that the other day...that's a good idea and that way the develoment forum will be kept clean.
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I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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Are you able to comment on the personal issues or are you simply surmising?
Thanks
WB
egzthunder1 said:
Ok, I think that we are getting closer to the heart of the matter. Conceptions of what people's role is should not be grounds for calling someone out or flaming them. The whole thing actually gets simpler from this point on.
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To expand on this point, I've noticed people flaming over pretty much any definition. Someone posts that they're disappointed by GPS performance or screen burn in, and they get an argument over what constitutes a "feature" of the phone and told that their concern is not important. People forget that what might not be important to them may be a dealbreaker for someone else.
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Ok, since we are off to a slow start, there are a few topics that I would like to address today. The biggest one, in my book anyways, is forum conduct.
We have had numerous complains coming from the Vibrant fora from newcomers (n00bs) complaining that they cannot even dare ask anything due to fear of being flamed to smithereens. Anyone care to elaborate on this?
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Since that's where I spend most of my time I can say for certain that this is true. I think there's a lot of younger kids in the vibrant forum who like picking fights and just generally being less than friendly. It seems like the answer to most questions asked is go search for it yourself. The information is readily available most of the time if theyd just look, but there's no reason to be rude about it.
With that said, I think since the thanks button has been added its made for a better atmosphere--so far. Definitely a welcome addition that will hopefully keep things civil.
I found our main Sheriff s.d.oconnor closing many O2X threads lately with reasons like the following:
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Thread Closed, running the risk of breaking warez rules and becomming a 10 poster breading ground.
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So what exactly is a 10 poster "breading" ground and why is it bad?
The word "breading" doesn't even exist, does it
Also: why is the risk of posting warez a reason for closing threads? This risk is always there in every thread, I could post a warez link right now
Does the risk to slip on a banana skin and break your neck prevent you from getting out of bed as well?
Edit: Ahh I guess I can imagine now: a thread for easily collecting 10 posts? But this would be possible in nearly any thread anyway, no good reason for me.
I think he meant breeding ground. I think people can hide warez links within these threads (where it's easier to spread after all) or that people who want to clear their 10 post limit quickly can just post into these threads.
Lets start of with what a Breading Ground is, well it's a place where all the members who have less than 10 posts like to go and post nonsence just to achive there 10 posts, making more work getting rid of them. Also the risk of Warez within the thread you are talking about, alot of members where making lists of games that they think run well on the O2X. Well why is this a problem, well the lists were mainly of games that cost real money, all it would have took for someone to break the rules was to post a link to said games of how to get the said games for free, then this would have earnt that member a warning, or even an infraction, so to stop members getting themselfs in trouble, its just best to close the thread.
P.S - Thread Closed, next time anyone has something to ask me, please ask via PM.
hello, here is a problem with fox manager
message "Failed to access root or magisk"
how to correct thank you not find in search
I know why these magisk which have lost rooting, in magisk I have not available and on zygysk the same I no longer remember the manipulation to do to correct this.
I got the wrong subject it's in magisk I should have posted
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hello, here is a problem with fox manager
message "Failed to access root or magisk"
how to correct thank you not find in search...
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I get the same error. Root is fine, though. All installed modules are not (late edit) listed properly in the modules tab.
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I get the same error. Root is fine, though. All installed modules are listed properly in the modules tab.
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The issue persists with the 'large maintenance update' 0.6.2. Does anyone know a workaround for this? Root is fine otherwise. Installed modules are not listed, though.
Hello m0han, the first time I had the update of the fox manager same concern. The update days no longer concern magisk in place root ok, see when I turn it off whether magisk root jumps or not.
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.... the first time I had the update of the fox manager same concern. The update days no more concern...
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I'll check with upcoming releases
Màhan ,reboot my S10 after misa days message in red as you is magisk off
can be escalated to the developer of fox’s application manager. he must have a way to fix this problem no. I have essential root no backup in this application, can be with the magisk boot image by reflashing direct with essential root the application.
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
m0han said:
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
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So... Not haha-funny?
I'm a bit lost on what we did wrong in your opinion. As you're publicly shaming us (while we always respond to PMs), might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links but I'm on mobile right now, perhaps I'm missing something. Feel free to elaborate.
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So... Not haha-funny?
I'm a bit lost on what we did wrong in your opinion. As you're publicly shaming us (while we always respond to PMs), might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links but I'm on mobile right now, perhaps I'm missing something. Feel free to elaborate.
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I've already asked @Bill720 to provide more information to @m0han as Bill was the one who moved the post out of a thread and instead created a new thread out of this post. Please let me know if you like more information privately.
@m0han Mam, Sir! I hope you agree that we don't require your consent at all if a post by you created in whatever thread is converted to an own thread. You voluntarily decided to post information on XDA but it's solely on the XDA staff to decide where the correct location for your post is. I'm convinced you're going to receive more information by @Bill720 but due to his real life I'm aware about it might last 4 - 5 days. Fell free to privately contact Bill 720.
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Timmmmaaahh! said:
... might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links....
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Oswald Boelcke said:
.... we don't require your consent at all if a post by you created in whatever thread is converted to an own thread....
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wow! didn't know you guys would make the conversion selectively.
the post that started it all, the one i quoted to make my post in the first place, is not moved.
there was another post by @Stillhard where he called me (and maybe @meric57) 'mad' and asked for another thread to be created, which is now 'mia' on xda. i suppose @Bill720 created the thread based on that post.
isn't @Stillhard's out-of-context post offending? clearly, he wasn't offering any help or guidance. wasn't he 'publicly abusing' us, as opposed to my so-called 'shaming you'? was my post deleted (ss 04) 'cos this was the post @Stillhard quoted to call me (and @meric57) 'mad'?
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
m0han said:
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
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Mam, Sir!
I've to admit I'm "surprised" that you intended to discuss this event publicly although as you've pinged us @Timmmmaaahh! and I were well known to you. Due to your ping, I even released an at that point obviously closed information, informed you who (@Bill720) handled your post and suggest you to contact him. For whatever reason you decided to stay public and to belittle our moderation and moderators' capability as my partially quote above shows.
I'm just now 3 1/2 years into the moderation business at XDA, and if you monitored me my moderation style has changed over the years and months - something that permanently occurs in real life. And I can assure you that we always - I repeat ALWAYS - handled everything including clean-ups to the most fair and clean extend. However, all of our moderators are humans; XDA doesn't use any AI like Google etc. When you registered on this private website 10 years ago, you most likely didn't note or meanwhile just ignored that this website has grown up to more than 11 miliion users, 75+ million posts in 3.5+ million threads. I'm not looking for excuses, especially not on a weekend, but did you ever relate this to the number of moderators? You're free to count them here. All these very few moderators are volunteers who do this "job" absolutely for free and just by our dedication to the XDA Forum besides our real lifes, real families and friends, real businesses and occupations. If you believe we get anything like devices etc. for free; negative, there's nothing.
And if you now believe I'm upset by your public posts: This is absolutely correct!
If you don't like how my fellow moderators or I handle the XDA Forum, I think there are two alternatives I suggest to you:
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or - and maybe the better alternative - if you're able to prove your competence, interest and capabilities in case you want to change or enhance the moderators' operations:
We currently need new Forum Moderators
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Oswald Boelcke
m0han said:
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
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Sometimes, life can be funny. I'll respectfully challenge you on "without being asked" and "leaving it half done," however, since those seem to be the biggest sticking points.
Your post was reported by another member, so that should help clear up the "without being asked" aspect of the inquiry. As far as "leaving it half-done" is concerned, the posts you mentioned do not explicitly mention that Fox2Code program. If you're convinced that they belong in this thread, feel free to let me know, and I'll be happy to move them to complete the cleanup.
While your post didn't explicitly reference Fox2Code's program either, being the post that was reported, it received the bulk of the scrutiny. I took the liberty of running a web search to try and piece it together for everyone's sake. Once done, I grafted out posts that appeared to have been obviously related into their own thread, where I still believe that they rightfully belong (rather than remaining as off-topic posts in an unrelated thread).
m0han said:
wow! didn't know you guys would make the conversion selectively.
the post that started it all, the one i quoted to make my post in the first place, is not moved.
there was another post by @Stillhard where he called me (and maybe @meric57) 'mad' and asked for another thread to be created, which is now 'mia' on xda. i suppose @Bill720 created the thread based on that post.
isn't @Stillhard's out-of-context post offending? clearly, he wasn't offering any help or guidance. wasn't he 'publicly abusing' us, as opposed to my so-called 'shaming you'? was my post deleted (ss 04) 'cos this was the post @Stillhard quoted to call me (and @meric57) 'mad'?
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
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You'll have to point that one out to me, as I did not personally perform any further cleanup in the thread aside from what was moved to this one. To reiterate, I'm not here to ruin anybody's day or single anybody out, so, if you feel that any straggler posts remain in that thread that should obviously be in this one, (stemming from your original off-topic post) you are more than welcome to let me know.
Oswald Boelcke said:
.... if you now believe I'm upset by your public posts: This is absolutely correct!
If you don't like how my fellow moderators or I handle the XDA Forum, I think there are two alternatives I suggest to you:
Data Deletion Request on XDA-Developers (GDPR)
XDA collects and stores a very limited amount of personal information from our users and never sells or shares personally identifiable information with anyone. Please see our privacy policy for more information on what data we collect and how it is used. We value your privacy and will comply...
www.xda-developers.com
or......
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the data deletion page is actually for account deletion. so, you're hinting that i delete my account? i'll think about it. and, thanks for alerting users about the need for new mods.
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.... Your post was reported by another member, so that should help clear up the "without being asked" aspect of the inquiry. As far as "leaving it half-done" is concerned, the posts you mentioned do not explicitly mention that Fox2Code program....
.... I took the liberty of running a web search to try and piece it together for everyone's sake..... if you feel that any straggler posts remain.... (stemming from your original off-topic post)...
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when that someone reported my post, did he/she request you to create a new thread? you could've simply deleted that post, since you seemed to agree with him/her that it was ot.
@meric57, @Stillhard, @huskydg all mentioned 'fox' - check screenshots in my post above - those posts remain in place (i didn't even mention that name, did i?). if a thread had to be created, at all, it had to be in @meric57's name.
it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
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What I find most surprising is that you're putting us on the spot here without any clear reason. This isn't the first time that you're challenging us with your vision on how we should moderate. If you think it's that easy and you can do better, then by all means: become a moderator. But I will not have my team mates being insulted for doing their volunteer work in good conscience. Such lack of respect for all what we do for this community is unfounded and uncalled for. For what, even? Because we didn't cater to your needs and you feel we have some sort of bias in an internet forum cleanup? All while we are always up for discussing this with anyone that has any questions about our moderation. You will need to bring some harder evidence to the table before ridiculing us like that. We will always approach a cleanup in a way that we feel is the most objective one and of course that will disadvantage some people. That is just a reality we all have to deal with in all sorts of aspects in life.
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it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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That's not how it works, though! You can't just insult us and then tell us to wipe it under the rug in the same breath. You've picked your battle and now we'll settle it. Throw anything at us and we'll gladly explain our actions.
It still doesn't make any sense to me what any of us did wrong here. Only 3 of your posts were removed on August 5 in a large cleanup of "Magisk General Support / Discussion", which we have already discussed in private, after which you stated to me: "Case closed. Thank you.". In that private conversation I stated "...such busy threads are really hard to moderate and it requires a tremendous amount of patience to remain neutral all the time. I am not immune to this either, we are still human beings. We do try hard though ", which still very much stands.
After that one more of your posts was removed last Saturday, which contained "i feel for you", a response you outed to another member that had mildly insulted you with the words "you mad?", which was also removed.
Are you know hunting other members that post anything even remotely off topic? Because we'll only step in if we feel it's needed to, not because you're telling us to. That doesn't go well with any form of authority. That said, all of our members are encouraged to report anything that potentially violates our terms and we will 100% look into it.
Timmmmaaahh! said:
What I find most surprising is that.... You can't just insult us and then tell us to wipe it under the rug in the same breath..... all of our members are encouraged to report anything that potentially violates our terms and we will 100% look into it.
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What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
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when that someone reported my post, did he/she request you to create a new thread? you could've simply deleted that post, since you seemed to agree with him/her that it was ot.
@meric57, @Stillhard, @huskydg all mentioned 'fox' - check screenshots in my post above - those posts remain in place (i didn't even mention that name, did i?). if a thread had to be created, at all, it had to be in @meric57's name.
it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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The person who reported the post did not request that I split the off-topic chatter into its own thread. My own common sense requested that. I try not to make a habit of deleting posts for no reason, so that is the reason for the chosen course of action.
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What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
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Again, if you feel that there were other posts that should also have been grafted into this thread, you're welcome to let me know. At the time, during my brief assessment, I moved only the posts that appeared to be obviously and directly related. Sometimes, during this cleanup process, it is possible that some items were missed.
Anything you do is wrong, as long as it's not right. Keeping the forums clean is everyone's responsibility, however, so I hope that this answers your question adequately.
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The person who reported the post did not request that I split the off-topic chatter into its own thread. My own common sense requested that. I try not to make a habit of deleting posts for no reason.... there were other posts that should also have been grafted into this thread..... it is possible that some items were missed.... I hope that this answers your question adequately.
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No, it does not. Let me try to elucidate - again: It was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. That is wrong, since it is not right.
You, being a mod, can move the first post regarding 'fox' to the top of this thread making it the 'op'; everything else can follow that in chronological order.
And, you can go ahead and move all the other 'fox' posts to this thread since you term them as that being off-topic in the threads they are in at the moment - if you don't plan/wish to delete them, i.e.
Since you seem to have difficulty getting the picture from the screenshots provided, here are the links, for your convenience:
1. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
2. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
3. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
from another thread:
from: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...third-party-magisk-fork.4460555/post-87379839
to: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...third-party-magisk-fork.4460555/post-87386063
Hello everyone, no need to worry about this. I am seeing on gitub with fox2code for this problem which persists, today updated 0.6.3 of fox manager for magisk rebelotte. message in red and magisk root absent so I have to reflash with odin.
I've moved the relevant posts over.
m0han said:
What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
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Having your post moved over to a dedicated thread - making you the op - is dragging you into a mess? Okay. Solved. When we receive a report about something it catches our attention, we will act or we won't as we deem necessary.
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So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
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Oh, we're hilarious, but it turns a bit darker when someone's throwing insults at us. Again, that 'mad' part was also removed, which is us saying it's not allowed. You're again twisting this to discredit us.
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Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
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Just the insults, that was the breaking point. So please, take a lesson from all this: if you believe thread maintenance wasn't performed properly, find out which mod performed it (ask any mod) and address them privately. Or just make another report. Then explain what should've been done differently in a friendly manner. And no, of course we're not perfect or everything we do is always "A-OK", that's what I also kept communicating. Just know that we do our very best to keep this community clean and welcoming to all and there's much more than meets the eye to achieve that goal.