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i'm a little confused it seems tons of Devs have united and are trying to crack the bootloader for the GS3 for verizon but im a little lost as i am new to motorola phones.
Why has this not happen to any of the newer motorola droid phones? it seems there getting this thing cracked fast but the Droid 4 and razr still have locked boot loaders and these were more of a flag ship phone over the GS3. has no one made this big of a deal over a motorola phone?
Probably because Motorola bootloaders have been locked for quite some time, and nobody (that I am aware of) has managed to crack them.
The original Milestone's bootloader hasn't been cracked even.
Luckily, we can still get around the bootloader issue via safestrap, and I'm hoping the kexec exploit.
Was there this big of a uproar when the milestone came out? Or any other motorola phone with a locked boot loader? It just seems motorola is not that big of a deal compared to samsung
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icebear8 said:
Was there this big of a uproar when the milestone came out? Or any other motorola phone with a locked boot loader? It just seems motorola is not that big of a deal compared to samsung
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Quite the opposite, which is why we have SafeStrap. Remember, the locked bootloader is not exactly Moto's "fault", it's just that it is what the carrier asks of them. This may be for various reasons, including that the MPAA requires locked bootloaders on any device with Netflix preloaded. (Hence, the locked boot loader on the Nook Tablet)
Motorola, however, is one of the few companies to "properly" lock their device. When they say "locked" they mean it. No one has yet figured out a way around it, but instead we're investigating kexec and options like Safestrap that give us sometimes more options than other manufacturers, and without even having to hack the bootloader itself.
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Quite the opposite, which is why we have SafeStrap. Remember, the locked bootloader is not exactly Moto's "fault", it's just that it is what the carrier asks of them. This may be for various reasons, including that the MPAA requires locked bootloaders on any device with Netflix preloaded. (Hence, the locked boot loader on the Nook Tablet)
Motorola, however, is one of the few companies to "properly" lock their device. When they say "locked" they mean it. No one has yet figured out a way around it, but instead we're investigating kexec and options like Safestrap that give us sometimes more options than other manufacturers, and without even having to hack the bootloader itself.
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but i see alot of stuff saying moto was gonna make a program like HTC has that unlocked it for you is that true?
They had the program to unlock it, but verizon prevented them from releasing it. Also one reason I think that theres such an uproar about the gs3 is because there ARE other models of the gs3 with unlocked bootloaders and samsung promised to have unlocked phones, while moto has never had an unlocked phone since the OG droid.
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And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone.
I didn't know what towel pie was at the time and didn't know the phone wasn't actually unlocked. The guy I bought it from said that verizon moto X phones were just naturally unlocked. I didn't really find that credible at the time but assumed the phone was nonetheless unlocked now.
After playing with the phone, I find that its not actually fully unlocked but rather has this program running on it that fights the Verizon firmware to effectively make it unlocked.
Here is what I want. I want this permanently rooted without any program running in the background to reroot the phone every time. And I want all the verizon logos off my login screens etc. Is there some sort of clean rom I can write over this thing that just has it unlocked?
I am not using Verizon as a carrier.
What do you think guys. Did I get scammed? I paid 400 USD for this phone. Prompt reply would be appreciated since I think I can still return it if I'm quick about it.
Thank you for your time.
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And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone.
I didn't know what towel pie was at the time and didn't know the phone wasn't actually unlocked. The guy I bought it from said that verizon moto X phones were just naturally unlocked. I didn't really find that credible at the time but assumed the phone was nonetheless unlocked now.
After playing with the phone, I find that its not actually fully unlocked but rather has this program running on it that fights the Verizon firmware to effectively make it unlocked.
Here is what I want. I want this permanently rooted without any program running in the background to reroot the phone every time. And I want all the verizon logos off my login screens etc. Is there some sort of clean rom I can write over this thing that just has it unlocked?
I am not using Verizon as a carrier.
What do you think guys. Did I get scammed? I paid 400 USD for this phone. Prompt reply would be appreciated since I think I can still return it if I'm quick about it.
Thank you for your time.
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HAHA. I think there was some mis-communication there.
OK: There are 2 types of "unlocked":
1. SIM-Unlocked: Verizon phones ARE "naturally" SIM-Unlocked, and you can use them on any GSM carrier.
2. Bootloader-Unlocked: ALL Verizon phones (aside from the Developer Edition), can NOT have their bootloader's unlocked. Verizon forbids motoorola from allowing you to unlock your bootloader. "Towel Pie Root" doesn't even come close to the functionality of an unlocked bootloader -- there's simply no comparison. There is absolutely NO WAY to unlock your bootloader, except for one possibility.
See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
It will cost you money -- but if he doesn't have your code you get refunded. If you DO get a code, your bootloader will be permanently unlocked, and for all essence, it will be an unofficial "Developer Edition".
And finally -- in my opinion, $400 is QUITE excessive for what is really just a standard run-of-the-mill Verizion Moto X, with nothing special about it at all. The average selling price is currently $220 on swappa.com
If it were ME, I'd return it and find a bootloader-unlocked VZW Moto X, or the Verizon DEVELOPER edition Moto X.
Just be careful!!! Many Moto X's on swappa say that they are "unlocked", but this refers to SIM-UNLOCKED. Make sure it -explicitly- says "BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED".
Good Luck!!!
EDIT: Now that I see that you are NOT using verizon as your carrier, I would suggest that you buy an XT1053 instead.
The XT1053 has NO carrier branding, and it can be bootloader-unlocked FREE, direct from Motorola's website.
The price is slightly more than the VZW version - XT1053's are currently averaging $260 on swappa. They are ALL Sim-Unlocked, and bootloader-unlockable.
That's FAR less than the $400 you paid......
the sale is still going on on Motorola's website $324.99 brand new Dev Edition unlocked bootloader
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HAHA. I think there was some mis-communication there.
OK: There are 2 types of "unlocked":
1. SIM-Unlocked: Verizon phones ARE "naturally" SIM-Unlocked, and you can use them on any GSM carrier.
2. Bootloader-Unlocked: ALL Verizon phones (aside from the Developer Edition), can NOT have their bootloader's unlocked. Verizon forbids motoorola from allowing you to unlock your bootloader. "Towel Pie Root" doesn't even come close to the functionality of an unlocked bootloader -- there's simply no comparison. There is absolutely NO WAY to unlock your bootloader, except for one possibility.
See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/china-middleman-t2751177
It will cost you money -- but if he doesn't have your code you get refunded. If you DO get a code, your bootloader will be permanently unlocked, and for all essence, it will be an unofficial "Developer Edition".
And finally -- in my opinion, $400 is QUITE excessive for what is really just a standard run-of-the-mill Verizion Moto X, with nothing special about it at all. The average selling price is currently $220 on swappa.com
If it were ME, I'd return it and find a bootloader-unlocked VZW Moto X, or the Verizon DEVELOPER edition Moto X.
Just be careful!!! Many Moto X's on swappa say that they are "unlocked", but this refers to SIM-UNLOCKED. Make sure it -explicitly- says "BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED".
Good Luck!!!
EDIT: Now that I see that you are NOT using verizon as your carrier, I would suggest that you buy an XT1053 instead.
The XT1053 has NO carrier branding, and it can be bootloader-unlocked FREE, direct from Motorola's website.
The price is slightly more than the VZW version - XT1053's are currently averaging $260 on swappa. They are ALL Sim-Unlocked, and bootloader-unlockable.
That's FAR less than the $400 you paid......
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A lot of my issue here is that I'm under some time pressure. My old phone broke and I really just need something to replace it now. So i got what i could get in a short amount of time.
That said, I'm only willing to put up with so much crap. I don't mind over paying a bit. I do mind not getting what I want.
Now, I do believe this is the developer edition. It gives me access to developer tools in the settings and the phone info information seemed to be what developer editions say. Is there a way I can confirm this?
And if it is a Verizon developer edition Moto X, can I properly root it and clean all this verizon garbage off my phone? It seemed like you suggested that if this were a Verizon developer edition Moto X I could still root it?
Please let me know. I'll eat the price hike as a convenience charge but I really can't put up with having it permanently crippled by Verizon.
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A lot of my issue here is that I'm under some time pressure. My old phone broke and I really just need something to replace it now. So i got what i could get in a short amount of time.
That said, I'm only willing to put up with so much crap. I don't mind over paying a bit. I do mind not getting what I want.
Now, I do believe this is the developer edition. It gives me access to developer tools in the settings and the phone info information seemed to be what developer editions say. Is there a way I can confirm this?
And if it is a Verizon developer edition Moto X, can I properly root it and clean all this verizon garbage off my phone? It seemed like you suggested that if this were a Verizon developer edition Moto X I could still root it?
Please let me know. I'll eat the price hike as a convenience charge but I really can't put up with having it permanently crippled by Verizon.
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Enabling "Developer Options" can be done on any phone. Once again, this also has absolutely nothing to do with rooting or unlocking the bootloader. If it WERE the dev edition, the previous owner would have no reason, whatsoever to install TowelPieRoot. That's just silly to use an "exploit" on a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
TowelPieRoot DOES allow you to root the phone - but that will disappear when you update to 4.4.4 -- the new update patches the exploit used by TPR. After this, it will be permanently un-rootable unless you can unlock the BL.
You are completely out-of-luck, sir. Unless you want to roll the dice and spend another $45 in hopes that the "chinaman" might have an unlock code for you. I gave you the link in my first reply to you.
Unless the phone has a Black front, with a woven white back, it is NOT the unlockable developer edition. Sorry. Anything else is just a regular Moto X.
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Enabling "Developer Options" can be done on any phone. Once again, this also has absolutely nothing to do with rooting or unlocking the bootloader. If it WERE the dev edition, the previous owner would have no reason, whatsoever to install TowelPieRoot. That's just silly to use an "exploit" on a phone with an unlocked bootloader.
TowelPieRoot DOES allow you to root the phone - but that will disappear when you update to 4.4.4 -- the new update patches the exploit used by TPR. After this, it will be permanently un-rootable unless you can unlock the BL.
You are completely out-of-luck, sir. Unless you want to roll the dice and spend another $45 in hopes that the "chinaman" might have an unlock code for you. I gave you the link in my first reply to you.
Unless the phone has a Black front, with a woven white back, it is NOT the unlockable developer edition. Sorry. Anything else is just a regular Moto X.
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Thank you for your reply and do not take my stupid questions as a lack of appreciation or respect for your assistence. I'm just trying to understand if I'm mostly screwed or totally screwed.
In the sense of the princess bride... where he was "mostly dead" but not totally dead.
For example, does this work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Is there nothing that can root the bootloader on a verizon moto X?
If not, then thank you for helping me. If there is a way... I might be willing to try it.
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Thank you for your reply and do not take my stupid questions as a lack of appreciation or respect for your assistence. I'm just trying to understand if I'm mostly screwed or totally screwed.
In the sense of the princess bride... where he was "mostly dead" but not totally dead.
For example, does this work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45598648
Is there nothing that can root the bootloader on a verizon moto X?
If not, then thank you for helping me. If there is a way... I might be willing to try it.
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I don't think you are understanding.....
There is no such thing as "rooting the bootloader".
Your bootloader is either unlocked, or it isn't.
There are some "Exploits" that the exploited vulnerabilities in android and allowed you to "root" or "disable write protection", but none of them are permanent solutions. Since they are "Exploits", they can be patched by future updates. They don't "root the bootloader" - they "root the android OS".
ALL exploits, including the one you have linked above HAVE BEEN PATCHED. The only working exploit is TowelPieRoot -- but it does NOT disable write protection. It isn't very useful, and it is not permanent. As I previously told you, once you update to 4.4.4 your phone will be PERMANENTLY un-rootable. Period.
The only way to gain "permanent root and write-protection disable" is to unlock the bootloader. You can NOT unlock the bootloader on a VZW device. Period. Not unless it is a Dev Edition, OR you are able to obtain a bootloader unlock-code from the china middleman that I linked you to before.
There are NO EXCEPTIONS. As I already told you, you are 100% out-of-luck, UNLESS your phone has a black front and woven white back, OR you are able to unlock through the middleman at a cost of $45. There is NO OTHER WAY. None.
Please trust me - I know what I'm talking about 100%. I've only given you the facts. Now you must choose what to do with these facts.
if you can get your money back get your money back moto will FedEx you the brand new dev edition for $324.99 you will have it in 3 or 4 days probably until then get on Craigslist buy a hundred dollar droid to use until then and sell it afterwords
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I don't think you are understanding.....
There is no such thing as "rooting the bootloader".
Your bootloader is either unlocked, or it isn't.
There are some "Exploits" that the exploited vulnerabilities in android and allowed you to "root" or "disable write protection", but none of them are permanent solutions. Since they are "Exploits", they can be patched by future updates. They don't "root the bootloader" - they "root the android OS".
ALL exploits, including the one you have linked above HAVE BEEN PATCHED. The only working exploit is TowelPieRoot -- but it does NOT disable write protection. It isn't very useful, and it is not permanent. As I previously told you, once you update to 4.4.4 your phone will be PERMANENTLY un-rootable. Period.
The only way to gain "permanent root and write-protection disable" is to unlock the bootloader. You can NOT unlock the bootloader on a VZW device. Period. Not unless it is a Dev Edition, OR you are able to obtain a bootloader unlock-code from the china middleman that I linked you to before.
There are NO EXCEPTIONS. As I already told you, you are 100% out-of-luck, UNLESS your phone has a black front and woven white back, OR you are able to unlock through the middleman at a cost of $45. There is NO OTHER WAY. None.
Please trust me - I know what I'm talking about 100%. I've only given you the facts. Now you must choose what to do with these facts.
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*sigh* Oh well.
Thank you. I'll just get the cheapest phone I can find at the store and get my money back for this one.
well im gonna order the new verizon developer edition for 324.99 than and unlock the bootloader and wipe all the verizon crap off it and permanently root it
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And it appears to be a Verizon moto X with towel Pie installed on it. So technically unlocked but I'm a little dubious as to whether I should just return this phone..
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A couple of questions I haven't seen asked...
On the phone go to App Drawer -> Settings -> About phone... What is listed as the SYSTEM VERSION.
Next, what does the BACK of the phone look like or say? Does it have the Verizon logo on it? Does it have the words Developer Edition on the back? Does it have SMALL HARD TO READ Fine print at the bottom that says a model number? Or did it come with the original box that has the IMEI and Model on it? (the model would be XT1060, XT1053, XT1058, etc)
What carrier are you intending to use it with?
Power off the phone, then press the power and volume down buttons simultaneously NOTE: you may need to have the USB cable disconnected first. This will bring you into the AP Fastboot Flash Mode screen (aka bootloader or fastboot mode). It will say DEVICE IS... unlocked or locked. Which is it?
I am asking these questions to know 1. What model X you have, 2. if it is bootloader unlocked, and 3 what rom version is on there.
That will help us guide you further.
@samwathegreat already did a great job explaining Boot Loader Unlock vs SIM Unlock. I've got a long and deeper explaination on bootloader unlocking and effects on rooting at -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html It does need to be updated to cover rooting on 4.4.4 with a LOCKED bootloader is not possible.
In short, if your answers to my questions reveal you have a Verizon X that is not a developer edition phone, then the only way to unlock the bootloader is if you can buy a code from the China Middle Man. Unlocking the bootloader is essential these days if you want a full and working ROOT solution.
If you have a Verizon X that you are trying to use on T-Mobile, or ATT, then you might be OK as long as you don't need/want to root it, and are fine with running the stock Verizon ROM. You just might have some limits too (like not be being able to do Voice and LTE data at the same time)
Oh, but to get rid of some of the Verizon bloat, you will need to root it and delete the APK's which would impact future OTAs, or use something like Titanium Backup to freeze them. Both options need you to be rooted.
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Karmashock said:
*sigh* Oh well.
Thank you. I'll just get the cheapest phone I can find at the store and get my money back for this one.
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OK... just saw this.. so never mind what I just posted. Good luck.
If you really want an X, Let us know what carrier, and I would still recommend a Dev Edition, either the GSM or the VZW version depending on your carrier, especially while they stay on sale for $325.99. Any non-contract phone you can get is going to be near that cost, or above.
i hope the devs support the droid turbo.
verizon locks down the droid tight.
With the nexus 6 also coming out it'll be a coin toss. Motorola has been cool about it since Google had it but now Lenovo takes over...
i think Sunshine V3.0 will work.. fingers crossed.
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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I think the comparison would be to a moto X 2nd Gen. It's got more similar firmware.
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its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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It literally takes ONE TINY THING which has nothing to do with advertised specs to make the phone bullet proof, or at least impermeable by usual means.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56172538&postcount=20
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If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).
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The answer is no, you will probably never see a root exploit for the Droid Turbo. The person above linked to one of my prior posts on a different thread, and it comes down to two fundamental facts... there is probably not going to be a DE of the Turbo because of the Nexus 6, and rooting a non-bootloader unlocked device once it's running Android 5.0 [Lollipop] and beyond is damn near impossible. The latter has to do withe SELinux and how Google locked down the partitions and permissions. ChainFire wrote two posts on Google+ that explain in great detail why those without unlocked bootloader can kiss rooting goodbye. It's not impossible, however it is highly improbable a root exploit will be found, in the same way it's possible the Earth could be hit today by a 5 mile wide asteroid, but it's highly improbable.
The new security features Google built into Android 5.0 is a double edged sword... on one hand they've finally addressed issues that, as of today, make Android the least secure OS on the market; however, the security that all of us most definitely want makes it highly unlikely a root exploit could be run on a non-bootloader unlocked device. The only reason it would work on an unlocked bootloader device is because a previous kernel could be flashed that would allow the exploit to run at bootup (flashing kernels is prevented by locked bootloaders).
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I hope so
I liked Cyan on my old Droid X but it looks like from a quick glance at the Guides and Tips page that I won't be able to even do a Clockwork Recovery let alone a new modded OS like Cyanogenmod.
Did I read that right? Assuming so, is there anything evil I can do to this phone?
You are on Verizon, so your bootloader can't be unlocked at the Moto site. You can try Sunshine for $25. That's your only hope.
And I'll ask your question be moved to the Q&A section. ?
Thx. How odd they'd lock it then charge $25 to unlock it-- that seems so Apple-esque. I bought this phone used, so I'm unlikely to throw much more money at it, but it's nice to have the option.
Shux.
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Thx. How odd they'd lock it then charge $25 to unlock it-- that seems so Apple-esque. I bought this phone used, so I'm unlikely to throw much more money at it, but it's nice to have the option.
Shux.
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I think you misunderstand. The $25 unlock is a third-party exploit developed by JCase and a number of other talented developers. If you are on VZW, that is the only way to unlock, but it is far from official. Plus, it rarely works on 4.4.4 for the Moto X. I think most people would be ok if VZW offered a reasonable priced paid unlock, but I doubt we ever see that.
What did you expect after buying a locked phone on Verizon? If you value rooting, look into buying phones with easily unlockable bootloaders. Folks are lucky to have sunshine as it is
Sent from my XT1060
Ah, I didn't realize it was a 3rd party thing.
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What did you expect after buying a locked phone on Verizon? If you value rooting, look into buying phones with easily unlockable bootloaders. Folks are lucky to have sunshine as it is
Sent from my XT1060
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I didn't research it much, but I was a little confuzzled by a webpage that led me to think I could (A person needs 10 posts to insert a link?). I was able to put Cyan on my VZW Droid X, e.g.
Was that supposed to be helpful?
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I didn't research it much, but I was a little confuzzled by a webpage that led me to think I could (A person needs 10 posts to insert a link?). I was able to put Cyan on my VZW Droid X, e.g.
Was that supposed to be helpful?
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A little history...
The Verizon XT1060 has always shipped with a locked bootloader. This prevents flashing ROMs or Parts (like custom recovery) from being flashed to the phone. Only Roms signed by Moto and intended for that model and carrier can be flashed.
A Developer Edition For Verizon Moto X was available from Moto's web site only. For that device, Moto would give out the bootloader unlock code. Once unlocked, you could flash 3rd party roms and parts. With the Dev Edition, you did not void your warranty while doing this.
Verizon stores and Moto's Moto Maker web site also sold the X for Verizon, but for these not Developer Editions, you could NOT get the BootLoader Unlock code.
Later, someone was able to gain access to a database of IMEI numbers and their BootLoader Unlock codes, even for Verizon Non-Dev Editions and started selling them via a China web site, and later Middle Man. While it went away for a little over a month, it later came back. It has recently shut down again.
JCASE and others had found a vulnerability they could exploit to unlock the bootloader, no unlock code needed. Its called Sunshine. But it only works on phones which haven't even been upgraded to 4.4.4.
So depending on what you read, it could be "dated" and written at a time where you could have purchased the bootloader unlock code from the China Website or Middleman.
Hello, i have a Motorola Droid turbo stock, with ultimate release android 5.1.. I noto can unlock bootloader whit sunshine apk.. I try can forum officiale Motorola whit code bootloader and not found compatibility.. Please help me to unlock bootloader, i can flash cm13
SylarScareCrow said:
Hello, i have a Motorola Droid turbo stock, with ultimate release android 5.1.. I
noto can unlock bootloader whit sunshine apk..
I try can forum officiale Motorola whit code bootloader and not found compatibility..
Please help me to unlock bootloader, i can flash cm13
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What is "ultimate release 5.1"?
Which factory image version? If you took the 5.1-SU4TL-49 update you are out of luck.
Read this:
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Just a PSA, after the new SU4TL-49 5.1 update SunShine will be unable to unlock the bootloader.
If you are already unlocked, you are fine (dont relock it!).
If you take the 5.1-SU4TL-49 or 6.0 beta update prior to unlocking, then you are so out of luck.
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People stop taking the OTA update! It's only to prevent you from unlocking your bootloader! Verizon is evil, don't you understand?
Of all the Quarks, only the Verizon one (Droid Turbo XT1254) cannot be unlocked from the Motorola website. Because Verizon demands Motorola keep the bootloader locked down.
All the other Quarks (U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, International Moto Turbo/Moto Maxx XT1225) can easily be unlocked with a code from Motorola.
So, when an exploit is found (Sunshine) to forcibly unlock the bootloader, of course any Verizon update AFTER that will be to prevent that exploit from working. Duh. Because Verizon is evil.
Yes have a su4tl-49 ((
ChazzMatt said:
What is "ultimate release 5.1"?
Which factory image version? If you took the 5.1-SU4TL-49 update you are out of luck.
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=66869729
People stop taking the OTA update! It's only to prevent you from unlocking your bootloader! Verizon is evil, don't you understand?
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SylarScareCrow said:
Yes have a su4tl-49 ((
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Very sorry. Nothing you can do. Thank Verizon.
Is impossibile a sunshine.apk update for this problemi in future?
ChazzMatt said:
Very sorry. Nothing you can do. Thank Verizon.
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SylarScareCrow said:
Is impossibile a sunshine.apk update for this problemi in future?
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@jcase, whom I quoted above is the Sunshine guru. He says no. (Edit: See below. He says maybe. But the last one took a year to find.)
The Sunshine exploit worked on SU4TL-44 Stock. If you go past that, you are out of luck. The recent OTA update closes that loophole and you cannot revert firmware.
It took a year to even find the first exploit and it was unique to Snapdragon 805. The Verizon Droid Turbo is a late 2014 phone. Even if there was another exploit, it takes time and money to find them, bricking phones in the process. This is why the first exploit was packaged into $25 fee, to compensate the devs and fund their research.
This phone isn't even being made anymore, so investing any more time and money to find another exploit for people who take OTA updates without investigating is probably not going to happen, for a phone that will soon be 2 years old. There are many other newer phones that can get the attention.
People on Verizon who REALLY want a "Droid Turbo" with a bootloader that can easily be unlocked will buy the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250. Same device as the Droid Turbo, same bands, same hardware, same FCC ID. And bootloader can be unlocked via Motorola website.
IF you don't have Verizon and don't need CDMA bands (or LTE band 13), then the XT1225 is even better. More HSPA bands, more LTE bands. LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. And bootloader can be unlocked via Motorola website.
They are all Quarks with the same hardware. The XT1254/XT1250 even share the same radio bands, same FCC ID. The XT1225 has different radio bands.
SylarScareCrow said:
Is impossibile a sunshine.apk update for this problemi in future?
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Answer is maybe. We wont be investing in another round of research for the Droid Turbo itself, if we have some research on another device that crosses over with the Turbo then maybe. A small maybe.
You're all just front runners of a arrogant and pointless waste of time... Let's investigate this and fund this for $25 so the dev can get rich on something he stole from someone else and takes the money and credit. But he'll yea, let's keep cheating people out of money and point the finger at noobs and other individuals that don't spend pointless and limitless time on browsing lines of code, just to say I know how to flash this and exploit that. Listen,......who gives a **** buddy. Another thing, don't belittle someone that doesn't have the same knowledge and asks the "annoying" questions..... We people of the society have other things we are doing, besides having a phone in one ear and a keyboard typing in commands in abd fastboot crammed up our ass.... Thanks..."Fin"
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You're all just front runners of a arrogant and pointless waste of time... Let's investigate this and fund this for $25 so the dev can get rich on something he stole from someone else and takes the money and credit. But he'll yea, let's keep cheating people out of money and point the finger at noobs and other individuals that don't spend pointless and limitless time on browsing lines of code, just to say I know how to flash this and exploit that. Listen,......who gives a **** buddy. Another thing, don't belittle someone that doesn't have the same knowledge and asks the "annoying" questions..... We people of the society have other things we are doing, besides having a phone in one ear and a keyboard typing in commands in abd fastboot crammed up our ass.... Thanks..."Fin"
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Actually the blame all rests on Verizon for demanding Motorola lock the bootloader. Other Quarks -- even one IDENTICAL to the Droid Turbo sold under another model name -- are not locked down. Verizon is the villain.
Credit goes to any devs who create a workaround. But it's not always possible. The exploit found took a year of research, bricked phones, etc to find. Nobody "stole" anything. The exploit was published publicly. You can write an installer yourself if you have the skill, and give it away for FREE. The fact that no one else has done so means there must not be that much demand.
But if you took the recent Verizon SU4TL-49 OTA update, you are out of luck. Simple as that. Verizon is to blame -- but so are the users who blindly take an update from an evil carrier who locks down bootloaders. The dev even created an XDA thread specifically warning people NOT to take the update! Don't know what else could be done except for owners to take some responsibility and exercise common sense?
If you are on a carrier locked down bootloader phone, and you are wanting to escape from that prison, you should know not to take any carrier OTA updates until you investigate WHY the update was published -- in this case to specifically shut down that exploit.
Of course anyone who buys this phone KNOWS it's locked down and shouldn't expect a bootloader unlock in the first place. Anyone who buys it, KNOWS it's crippled. They need to buy another Quark, like the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx -- which is the exact same device as the Droid Turbo XT1254 with Verizon bands and everything. Droid Turbo owners were just very lucky a dev created an exploit that could unlock the bootloader for one version of firmware.
Wonder why you created this new user name to post this one response? Already an XDA member and don't want to burn your regular user name? Or just a lurker who took the OTA update, huh? Blame Verizon and yourself, not the messengers. You bought the phone, knowing it was locked down. It's Verizon. That's what they do.
So, there was a brief window of escape, starting last November on firmware SU4TL-44 . The Sunshine devs gave you that window of freedom and somehow you are mad at them?
The locked down Droid Turbo anyone bought is STILL the locked down Droid Turbo they bought. It still functions just like it was bought. No one has harmed their phone. The only difference is if you take the SU4TL-49 OTA update it will remain locked down -- whereas before that OTA thanks to Sunshine you could unlock it, install custom recovery, root, custom ROMs. If that's important to you, then yeah, you do some research first here on XDA or even just using Google. (I never buy a phone I can't unlock the bootloader and root.)
But if you don't do research first, then obviously unlocking the bootloader is not that important to you? And the phone functions just like when you bought it.
Well folks I hate to say it but all I did was call Motorola, told them I have a droid turbo and in the developer settings there is a key to unlock OEM bootloader but does nothing. They asked for my email and sent me the complete link as to unlock the bootloader. BAM! I'M UNLOCKED!!!
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Well folks I hate to say it but all I did was call Motorola, told them I have a droid turbo and in the developer settings there is a key to unlock OEM bootloader but does nothing. They asked for my email and sent me the complete link as to unlock the bootloader. BAM! I'M UNLOCKED!!!
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Wait , what? Can you share little more info on this?? Which phone exactly you have?
EDIT: Tried this right away, of course it didn't work . They told me that it's not part of unlockable bootloader program, but to check often because they very often add new phones to the program.
Also , on the link they gave me, I don't see Moto Maxx either https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
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Well folks I hate to say it but all I did was call Motorola, told them I have a droid turbo and in the developer settings there is a key to unlock OEM bootloader but does nothing. They asked for my email and sent me the complete link as to unlock the bootloader. BAM! I'M UNLOCKED!!!
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how to set phone in developer setting? maybe not all the phone can get the unlock code.
EjđiSixo said:
Also , on the link they gave me, I don't see Moto Maxx either https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215
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Doesn't show up for Moto Maxx, but it works anyway. It did show up in previous version of website. And owners recently are still getting their XT1225/XT1250 unlocked, as evidenced by questions in my Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo guide in the other forum. So, it still works for those phones.
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Well folks I hate to say it but all I did was call Motorola, told them I have a droid turbo and in the developer settings there is a key to unlock OEM bootloader but does nothing. They asked for my email and sent me the complete link as to unlock the bootloader. BAM! I'M UNLOCKED!!!
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Pictures or it didn't happen.
Show us bootloader status picture.
That will prove everything you just said, that you actually have a Droid Turbo and the bootloader is indeed unlocked. Extra credit if you post the communication from Motorola.
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Doesn't show up for Moto Maxx, but it works anyway. It did show up in previous version of website. And owners recently are still getting their XT1225/XT1250 unlocked, as evidenced by questions in my guide in the other forum. So, it still works for those phones.
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Pictures or it didn't happen.
Show us bootloader status picture.
That will prove everything you just said, that you actually have a Droid Turbo and the bootloader is indeed unlocked. Extra credit if you post the communication.
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Probably had moto maxx or noob assistent gave code without knowing they can although I don't think they can do that, system would probably block it.
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Well folks I hate to say it but all I did was call Motorola, told them I have a droid turbo and in the developer settings there is a key to unlock OEM bootloader but does nothing. They asked for my email and sent me the complete link as to unlock the bootloader. BAM! I'M UNLOCKED!!!
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EjđiSixo said:
Probably had moto maxx or noob assistent gave code without knowing they can although I don't think they can do that, system would probably block it.
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I'm very skeptical of someone with just two posts. Trolls do abound, you know. I prefer more proof than someone just typing a few taunting words into a forum. I would be curious if he was already on Marshmallow when this alleged bootloader unlock code was given.
About a year ago, someone posted how he had "flashed a Nexus 6 ROM" over his Droid Turbo and it "worked perfectly" and encouraged everyone else to do the same. 2014 Shamu and Quark were both released by Motorola at the same time, share a lot of the same specs -- and well known Motorola had a 5.2" Shamu variant in testing as late as mid-August 2014. But Google chose the 6" WHALE to be the only gen6 Nexus phone. Quark in many ways is the sibling to Shamu (perhaps the 5.2" was even re-purposed for Quark?), very similar to how the 2013 LG Nexus 5 and LG G2 were developed at the same time on parallel path by LG. BUT, you can't flash Nexus 6 (Shamu) ROMs over Quark, so matter how much you might envy Nexus development.
The only way you can do that is to disable some safety measures, and yes if you are silly enough you can brick your phone. Basically he had bricked his phone and was mad -- and misery loves company. The thread was quickly locked and everyone was told NOT to even try it.
My point is you can't believe everything someone types unless they offer some kind of proof.
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I'm very skeptical of someone with just two posts. Trolls do abound, you know. I prefer more proof than someone just typing a few taunting words into a forum. I would be curious if he was already on Marshmallow when this alleged bootloader unlock code was given.
About a year ago, someone posted how he had "flashed a Nexus 6 ROM" over his Droid Turbo and it "worked perfectly" and encouraged everyone else to do the same. 2014 Shamu and Quark were both released by Motorola at the same time, share a lot of the same specs -- and well known Motorola had a 5.2" Shamu variant in testing as late as mid-August 2014. But Google chose the 6" WHALE to be the only gen6 Nexus phone. Quark in many ways is the sibling to Shamu (perhaps the 5.2" was even re-purposed for Quark?), very similar to how the 2013 LG Nexus 5 and LG G2 were developed at the same time on parallel path by LG. BUT, you can't flash Nexus 6 (Shamu) ROMs over Quark, so matter how much you might envy Nexus development.
The only way you can do that is to disable some safety measures, and yes if you are silly enough you can brick your phone. Basically he had bricked his phone and was mad -- and misery loves company. The thread was quickly locked and everyone was told NOT to even try it.
My point is you can't believe everything someone types unless they offer some kind of proof.
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Your very correct and I do want to say that this is an excellent site with very true and capable designers! Trust me I'm absolutely no troll, I hate them, I was just simply putting my experience out there for others to try. I meant no disrespect or meant to step on anyone's toes. My apologies
butler911 said:
Your very correct and I do want to say that this is an excellent site with very true and capable designers! Trust me I'm absolutely no troll, I hate them, I was just simply putting my experience out there for others to try. I meant no disrespect or meant to step on anyone's toes. My apologies
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You're not stepping on anyone's toes. If true, then somehow you gamed the system in a way no one has been able to do. Congratulations on your good fortune!
Just asking for a couple of screenshots for proof, maybe the Motorola communication? Maybe someone else can do the same?
Were you on stock Lollipop or Marshmallow?