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definitely maybe probably bricked

OK well i was installing Darkys latest rom. I was at the point where i was in
download mode and odin. While odin was loading files the usb slipped out of the
phone because nothing besides the stock usb cord happens to stay firmly in the
charging port on this phone. This is the 2nd time this happed but when it
happened this time my phone just stopped working and by stop working i mean i
get absolutely no picture on the screen. nothing happens when its plugged into
power cord or usb cord. nothing. tried holding all 3 buttons in tons of times and
nothing.
Im out of warranty and got no insurance. I did get att to give me 180 credit cuz
i threatened to cancel. so if i cant fix this im gonna use a crappy prepaid phone
for the time being. If the SGS2 doesnt come out by march then ill probably get
an axtrix even tho i would rather get SGS2.
So please does anyone know of anything i can try?? i'm probably gonna goto an att store and try a new battery. Any suggestions would be appreciated???

You tried pulling everything, plug in usb, hold rocker, put back in batt? My understanding is, if you have the bad luck of that cable coming out while loading the boot loader then you r indeed SOL.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.

Buy or make a jig

Double spacing isn't necessary. We aren't going to grade your post.
You hopefully now understand that flashing to stock isn't the way to avoid problems; it's the way to create big ones.
Try removing the battery, wait a couple of minutes, plug in USB, hold volume up+down, while holding up+down insert the battery and see if that gets you back into download mode.

hololight said:
You tried pulling everything, plug in usb, hold rocker, put back in batt? My understanding is, if you have the bad luck of that cable coming out while loading the boot loader then you r indeed SOL.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.
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I tried all that. Ive probably flashed every single rom in the development section of the forum.
If it gets unplugged while doing an update then usually it displays the phone..!..computer picture and you can still get into download mode from there. I'm getting nothing tho.
the reason i think it could be the battery is because it may have been pretty close to dying which is stupid for flashing when it was close to dead but i wanted to hurry up because i had to leave the house. i'm wondering if since the software on there now is corrupt would that make the phone unable to charge. thats why i want to try a new battery

opcow said:
Double spacing isn't necessary. We aren't going to grade your post.
You hopefully now understanding that flashing to stock isn't the way to avoid problems; it's the way to create big ones.
Try removing the battery, wait a couple of minutes, plug in USB, hold volume up+down, while holding up+down insert the battery and see if that gets you back into download mode.
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just tried what you recommended and nothing happened. tried it a few times. Thanks for helping. I really hope the SGS2 comes out in march. I am not wasting my upgrade on an old phone and i dont really want the atrix

mcord11758 said:
Buy or make a jig
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would a jig really help me in this situation???

I don't think a jig will help. Usually it is used when your buttons never worked.... but hey... only a couple bucks vs the cost of a new phone.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.

hololight said:
I don't think a jig will help. Usually it is used when your buttons never worked.... but hey... only a couple bucks vs the cost of a new phone.
Sent from my Inspire '4g'.
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yeah i know my buttons work, i just cant get my phone to turn on at all. also tried multiple chargers and usb cables. I think i'm screwed. im hoping someone on here heard of this problem before but ive never read anything about it on here before.
Using a POS phone till the SGS2 comes out is gonna suck

anyone know anything?
I will be trying another battery today.

Besides a jig, I have nothing else for you sorry.
But on a different spectrum, if you do get a new phone, dont get the atrix, it is the worst phone out of all the phones coming out on att. Get the inspire our the infuse if you dont want to hold a dinner plate to your head.
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JoeyGuard said:
would a jig really help me in this situation???
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There is no guarantee, but it certainly could

juts tried a new a battery and still nothing.
I'm now rocking a Nokia 2320.
SGS2 I guess but i think i'm gonna be waiting a long time.
this nokia is so bad i dont think im going to make it thru the end of the month

Try the jig. It can not make things worse for you and MAY actually work for your issue.
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phone needs to be able to power on for a jig to work.
how are you out of warranty? (besides the custom rom) the phone has a 1 year warranty and it is not been on the market that long.
if the phone *happened* to be *dammaged* in a way that they would never notice AND would NEVER be able to read the memory (with out spending thousands of dollars), THEY WOULD NEVER KNOW you flashed custom rom and voided your warranty. they would try to test it, nope, broken, NEXT...
and SGS2 expected in june

Trusselo said:
phone needs to be able to power on for a jig to work.
how are you out of warranty? (besides the custom rom) the phone has a 1 year warranty and it is not been on the market that long.
if the phone *happened* to be *dammaged* in a way that they would never notice AND would NEVER be able to read the memory (with out spending thousands of dollars), THEY WOULD NEVER KNOW you flashed custom rom and voided your warranty. they would try to test it, nope, broken, NEXT...
and SGS2 expected in june
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yeah your right i still am in warranty but 2 weeks after i got the phone i dropped it and the screen cracked but the cracks not that bad. So i cant warranty the device because the crack. I did get att to give me $180 credit on my bill. $30 of every 6 month.

Ive heard the international version of the SGS2 will be out long before the att version will be. So i might use my upgrade on an iphone 4 and then sell it and buy the international SGS2.
what do you guys think about that idea?

JoeyGuard said:
Ive heard the international version of the SGS2 will be out long before the att version will be. So i might use my upgrade on an iphone 4 and then sell it and buy the international SGS2.
what do you guys think about that idea?
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im pretty sure thats what im gonna do. Just not sure if i should use my upgrade on the 3gs for $49 or $200 on the 4g.
What do you guys think we will get me the most profit towards the int version of SGS2??
any opinions would be appreciated.
thanks guys

[Q] Who has two thumbs and hard bricked his cappy? This guy.

Hey guys. I've had my cappy since last august (one year, obviously) and today an act of god happened while I was trying to flash my phone to serendipity 6.4 - lightning struck my dorm building (poor college student), and the power went out.
anywho, as you know the warranty period is one year (stupid if you're locked in for 2 years, imho) and guess what? my warranty expired YESTERDAY. FML. called AT&T and they won't let me get a new one now, and I'm not eligible for an upgrade. so... i have two options - shell out a lot of cash that I don't have for an insurance replacement or new phone, or fix my phone. I've tried making a jig, and it didn't work. None of the key combos work. It always goes to the phone-warning-computer screen. I searched and searched for a miracle solution but found nothing. Does anyone have anything I can try?
If not... is there anyone out there with an HTC inspire or captivate they'd be willing to sell me? This is the only phone I have, I don't have a backup, nor a home phone line.

With the pc screen you can't hold down the volume buttons and plug in usb with Odin running? If you're on gb kf1 bootloaders I remember seeing somewhere that screen is download mode. Worth a try.
That's one of my biggest fears. Precisely why I started using my laptop for flashes.
Sent from my i897 running MIUI 1.8.12 with TalonMTD kernel.

If ur seeing signs of some kind of life, then ur not hard bricked.
Edit: This may get u into download mode... Pull battery, insert usb into computer (with Odin already open), insert micro usb into ur phone, replace battery. If u get into download mode, put the battery cover on then proceed.
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For2ndtwin said:
If ur seeing signs of some kind of life, then ur not hard bricked.
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well, it gives me the phone-!-computer screen but nothing else. Jig failed, odin fails, nothing will put it in download.
Edit: for the record, I was using Serendipity 7 before, and had that horrid battery drain problem, so I was trying to flash back to 6.4... if it matters.

^ If u can't get into Recovery, I edited my post above to maybe help with download mode.
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You said JIG failed i really doubt that it will fail try with another JIG.
What bootloaders you are on ?

You try only holding volume down or only holding volume up while plugging into pc from phone off state. ( best way to make sure is pull battery and replace without pushing any buttons. )??
Sent from my i897 running MIUI 1.8.12 with TalonMTD kernel.

rkkaranrk said:
You said JIG failed i really doubt that it will fail try with another JIG.
What bootloaders you are on ?
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I owe you a beer, sir.
didn't feel like buying another connector so I sacrificed my backup car charger and made a jig with better soldering and all that jaz, and voila, it worked!

edit: See ya got it...good deal.
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For2ndtwin said:
^^ Yeah, reboot ur computer and then try connecting to Odin to flash stock ecair or stock ginger i 9000 or i897 ginger...whichever way u want to go with it.
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Computer's up, flashing stock currently.
my dormmates thought I was insane when i ran down the hall to my bud's dorm yelling IT'S ALIIIIIIIIVVVVVEEEEEE! I FIXED IT!!!!!! lol
But seriously. If you ever want a free beer...

^^^Hahaha ITS ALIIIVVVVVVEEEE, Yeah i know that feeling how it feels when u fix something.

rkkaranrk said:
^^^Hahaha ITS ALIIIVVVVVVEEEE, Yeah i know that feeling how it feels when u fix something.
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Yup, complete with waving my phone above my head and everything =)

Lol awesome. Glad you got it working again good to always have a jig on standby.
Sent from my i897 running MIUI 1.8.12 with TalonMTD kernel.

This is precisely the reason why I do all my flashing from my laptop and I have a jig (or two) around me...and an entire pack of resistors on my desk somewhere. I went to the shack the other day and bought the 10 dollar super pack of resistors, and as a Computer Engineering major, I should never have to buy resistors ever again...I gives you somewhere around 500 resistors of differing resistance.

worked with another jig (a better made one)? Gratz!!

[Q] Galaxy Note no power, dead

Hi everybody this is my first post, greetiings from Croatia.
I Have a Galaxy Note rooted and custom rom about a month,everyting was good and smooth.Yesterday i turn off my phone and try power again and nothing happened, my note does not want to turn on, i can belive....Does not respond to Recovery mode or Download mode, combo of keys not working, like a dead screen, i bought a USB jig and joined to Note but nothing happened...My note is not showing a some life!!! i have custom rom about a month and everyting good...I turned it a few days ago and normal working.....but now...i am confused.. Help if you can!thanx

djnakica said:
Hi everybody this is my first post, greetiings from Croatia.
I Have a Galaxy Note rooted and custom rom about a month,everyting was good and smooth.Yesterday i turn off my phone and try power again and nothing happened, my note does not want to turn on, i can belive....Does not respond to Recovery mode or Download mode, combo of keys not working, like a dead screen, i bought a USB jig and joined to Note but nothing happened...My note is not showing a some life!!! i have custom rom about a month and everyting good...I turned it a few days ago and normal working.....but now...i am confused.. Help if you can!thanx
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What ROM and kernel were you on? Are you absolutely sure there were no changes made to the phone prior to it shutting off and not coming back on again?

eug3n91 said:
What ROM and kernel were you on? Are you absolutely sure there were no changes made to the phone prior to it shutting off and not coming back on again?
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Criskelo's ROM my note is on this rom like a month...good rom..everything seems good...i do nothing with phone before i shut it down

djnakica said:
Criskelo's ROM my note is on this rom like a month...good rom..everything seems good...i do nothing with phone before i shut it down
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Wow...this is indeed a bit worrying if it just died like that...
I'm not really that experienced, to be honest, I usually managed to fix things by putting it into download or recovery. I'm afraid that if even the JIG fails, then your only possible next step would be the Samsung service...hoping that the repairs cost less than a new actual device.
You can tell them something went wrong while updating through Kies, as I heard other people suggest, though I don't really know how well that would hold upon closer inspection...

Do you have an externel wall charger jsu tto make sure its not the battery not charging properly

eug3n91 said:
Wow...this is indeed a bit worrying if it just died like that...
I'm not really that experienced, to be honest, I usually managed to fix things by putting it into download or recovery. I'm afraid that if even the JIG fails, then your only possible next step would be the Samsung service...hoping that the repairs cost less than a new actual device.
You can tell them something went wrong while updating through Kies, as I heard other people suggest, though I don't really know how well that would hold upon closer inspection...
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thx for the answers, i will wait about 2 day...maybee wake up ....then i go to the service

OK just heads up hope you haven't got any counter or yellow triangle cause they might be a charge for the repair

brockyneo said:
Do you have an externel wall charger jsu tto make sure its not the battery not charging properly
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i bought a new battery today...but nothing

djnakica said:
i bought a new battery today...but nothing
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Ah sorry to hear that it doesn't sound promising just play daft make out you was updating rom via kias or something and it just died

brockyneo said:
Ah sorry to hear that it doesn't sound promising just play daft make out you was updating rom via kias or something and it just died
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I'm afraid it's Sammy service center for your phone, sorry,

chasmodo said:
I'm afraid it's Sammy service center for your phone, sorry,
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Lol who me

chasmodo said:
I'm afraid it's Sammy service center for your phone, sorry,
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Sssoorry to keep this thing going, but...I'm really curious about what on Earth could've happened *just like that*? I'm at my 3rd Android phone, had custom ROMs on everyone of them (now on imilka's CM9) and...I always figured that if they work now, they'll always work as long as I don't do anything stupid like flash an S2 firmware. Never imagined that the phone would simply refuse to turn on at one point...
Obviously, I think there had to be something in either the file system or partition system or...I don't know that changed and messed things up. Had some tricky situations with my Ace and with my Note as well, but got out of them with either recovery, or, at worst, download mode...
Maybe someone with a lot more knowledge about developing and ROMs might help me understand how/why things could go wrong like that

brockyneo said:
Lol who me
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Force of habit, sorry Brocky.

Hi! me again, my Note was on charger all night and morning i said I'm going try to power him, still nothing....BUT i press combo to download mode....it say Low Battery to Downlad Mode(red letters)....hmmm....is a sign that is not completly destroyed? thx

djnakica said:
Hi! me again, my Note was on charger all night and morning i said I'm going try to power him, still nothing....BUT i press combo to download mode....it say Low Battery to Downlad Mode(red letters)....hmmm....is a sign that is not completly destroyed? thx
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You need to charge the battery up from a extremely wall charger I did the same when bricked had it on charge and nothing but red letters so charged battery with externel wall charger and whala it worked

brockyneo said:
You need to charge the battery up from a extremely wall charger I did the same when bricked had it on charge and nothing but red letters so charged battery with externel wall charger and whala it worked
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charger like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...ccessories&hash=item2c64a8253c#ht_2222wt_1110

if the problem still unsolved
And you checked battrey and usb cable then
check your screen
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djnakica said:
charger like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...ccessories&hash=item2c64a8253c#ht_2222wt_1110
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Yes, that's the one.

djnakica said:
charger like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...ccessories&hash=item2c64a8253c#ht_2222wt_1110
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chasmodo said:
Yes, that's the one.
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Yes the one chasmodo said

hi guys my note is send to the samsung service....But before that i was go to local service center and he said to me that the motherboard is problem ,that the Samsung should replace it and that certainly can not figure out if the phone is rooted

P1000GSM only swich on after removing battery for 30 min

Hello all.
I have a very strange issue that started to happening like a month ago, the tab was on default ROM 2.3.x.
After not using the tab for some days like 3 or 4 days it does not swich on anymore, not even with power + down volume.
To solve the probem I have to OPEN the tab and disconnect the battery for 30 min. then the charge icon apear again...
It happened two times so I installed CM 9 stable(wich by the way is very good in my opinion) thinking that could be some kind of software issue.
after this I tought that the issue was solved. but yesterday it happened again
does this problem ever happened to anyone else? I am starting to become tired of opening the tab so I can use it.. its not easy to remove the cover.
what do you think? it's a hardware issue or other? next thing I will try is to leave it always connected to power just to check if it happen again.
I repeat that it's strage because only happen if I don't use the tab for some time (more than a day) even if fully charged.
regards

Thread moved as should be in Q&A when you ask questions. Please post in the correct sections going forward.
Thanks
AvRS

any ideas? Still dead even after been connected to charger for 3 days

Buy replacement battery from eBay or DX.com
Who knows it works. Only cost around $10.
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priyana said:
Buy replacement battery from eBay or DX.com
Who knows it works. Only cost around $10.
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well, they are from china. i have tried long to get a galaxy tab battery from korea. -_-

I think the issue may not be in the battery, after I do batery reset it seems to be ok for several days.
You know if I install oveercome will do any diference? Im not sure whats the dif between cm9 and overcome
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Hedzx said:
I think the issue may not be in the battery, after I do batery reset it seems to be ok for several days.
You know if I install oveercome will do any diference? Im not sure whats the dif between cm9 and overcome
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a month ago my battery was dropping suddenly to 30% or 20% i don't remember and nothing solved this until i flashed overcome Stock V5 {not the overcome rom} and discharge it and charge it again full then i flashed AOKP jelly bean back... now it is normal...

thanks, I will give overcome a try and let you know if it helped... not sure yet if i open the tab once more to disconnect battery or just wait until it completely discharges, but so far it doesn't seems to come near that point...

I have now leave my tab always connected to power cord, if I'm not using it and problems doesn't seem to come back.
So I presume the issue of not charging must be only after the tab shut down due to low battery...

[Q] [EMERGENCY] Sitting Brick - CM 10.1

Hi everybody,
I was (am?) running CM 10.1 for a couple days just to see how it was, and it was nice. I was going to make it my daily driver until I got a call while the phone was in my pocket and suddenly, the ringing stopped. I took the phone out of my pocket and tried to unlock it. No cigar. It must have powered off. Pressed and held. Nothing. Bootloader? Nope. Try under the halogen work lamp. Nope. No charging light, no splash screen, nothing. Just a brick.
How is it possible for the phone to just brick itself like that? I remember setting the max clocking speed at 1.5ghz and the governor to "conservative" but that's really it. Plus I had rebooted a couple of times between then and now. I ddon't have many apps, let alone many that have root access. So what's up?
Please help me. I give my battery 15 maybe 24 hours before it dies and I can't boot.

Oh yeah. I don't have S-off, I got my version of CM from get.cm, no custom kernel, or any mod of any sort. The phone was not actively doing anything, except for sitting in my pocket. I held the power button and the power + volume for a good 20-30 seconds.
EDIT: Is my only option to play dumb and ask for warranty? D': I don't want to do that because the rep who traded in my GS2 noticed that it was rooted. I'll probably get denied.

Seriously, anybody? What are my options? What caused this? Is it my fault?

I wish I had some insight on why that happened to you or how to fix it. What I can say is that I was thinking about flashing my first AOSP rom in the near future but was iffy on it. Now I'm super iffy.
I suppose there is a possibility that it was not software related. Maybe the phone is just a clunker? Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself can comment.

try posting this in the CM 10.1 forums and you will get a result. sorry.
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SantinoInc said:
I suppose there is a possibility that it was not software related. Maybe the phone is just a clunker?
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That's a possibility, and what I'm thinking too. Surely someone would have noticed if their phones blew up when they received a call right? The phone wasn't doing anything I hadn't done before (i.e. receiving calls).
You think Sprint will replace it? It's pretty much mint other than the software.
And there is no HTC One Cyanogenmod forum yet.
EDIT: So is it safe for me to go to the store and tell them it crapped out on me? Will they be able to tell that I rooted it?

Have you tried using the HTC charger that came with the phone and letting it charge for for an hour? If the phone got completely discharged it may take up to 10 minutes just to lite up/
RJR

rrusek said:
Have you tried using the HTC charger that came with the phone and letting it charge for for an hour? If the phone got completely discharged it may take up to 10 minutes just to lite up/
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First off, Lithium ion batteries do not completely discharge, ever. If they do, they are ruined. Your phone will turn off before it lets the battery drain.
Second, I had at least 80% charge left when it bricked this morning. But what the heck, might as well.
EDIT: Wow. I googled hard bricks and pretty much every case is some kind of update or flash gone wrong. Nobody was just walking around when their phone bricked. This is weird. Considering how rare hard bricks are and the fact that the only apps with root access I had were Ti, File Manager, Spirit and Nova, I'm inclined to believe this is a hardware issue. But I can't be sure.

Bumping. I only have a little while before my charge runs out.

Hmmm, do you know, or have an idea what the battery life was when the incident occurred?
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EDIT: Oh I see...

I unplugged it about 3 maybe 4 hours before it bricked. It had maybe an hour of screen time then. I'm assuming I had around 80% when it bricked. I have no idea how much power the device is currently consuming. But if it's truly bricked, prolly not much, so it'll last for a while.
If it isn't truly bricked, then probably not that long...
Guys, I'm desperate. I'll try absolutely anything.

All right, it seems like I'm done. This device is toast. Even though it seems like I didn't make any mistakes. I know that almost for sure because my phone was ringing when it bricked at 12:36 P.M. today.
Based on what I've said, does anybody think I am COMPLETELY to blame for this? I don't want my conscience to eat me alive when I take this is for warranty and play dumb. I truly believe this has nothing to do with rooting/custom ROM. I really believe this is a defective phone. Am I wrong?

Did u try the bright light trick
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Try the bright light trick...
You can't even get into the boatloader? Or does anything show up when you plug it into the computer?
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sauprankul said:
Hi everybody,
I was (am?) running CM 10.1 for a couple days just to see how it was, and it was nice. I was going to make it my daily driver until I got a call while the phone was in my pocket and suddenly, the ringing stopped. I took the phone out of my pocket and tried to unlock it. No cigar. It must have powered off. Pressed and held. Nothing. Bootloader? Nope. Try under the halogen work lamp. Nope. No charging light, no splash screen, nothing. Just a brick.
How is it possible for the phone to just brick itself like that? I remember setting the max clocking speed at 1.5ghz and the governor to "conservative" but that's really it. Plus I had rebooted a couple of times between then and now. I ddon't have many apps, let alone many that have root access. So what's up?
Please help me. I give my battery 15 maybe 24 hours before it dies and I can't boot.
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i knew there was something going on here, between cm10.1 and the sprint htc one ? sure makes me wonder, i've been on my replacement for nearly 2 weeks now running stock rooted with s-off. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2310750

Ok I just read your thread and was wondering. did you get your 150 back?
Either you and I are incredibly unlucky or the m7spr cm 10.1 is suicidal.
Just a question. in general, what setting were you using? Anything similar to mine? I had also set notification light to "long". how about you?

sauprankul said:
Ok I just read your thread and was wondering. did you get your 150 back?
Either you and I are incredibly unlucky or the m7spr cm 10.1 is suicidal.
Just a question. in general, what setting were you using? Anything similar to mine? I had also set notification light to "long". how about you?
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I was told I would be refunded on my next bill so i'm waiting it out to see before I send back the bricked one. no i was stock-cm and what I mean by that is i installed cm10.1 added my apps, set up my home screens and used it like that until it died. i changed nor tweaked any of the settings from cm defaults

The same thing happened to my room mates HTC One yesteray. I first installed CM, and it was getting extremely hot, so I decided to try rootbox, similar issue, and the device was discharging far too fast. He turned the phone off to wait for me to get home so I could try to fix it. I got home, and there was no sign of life, it was charged fully before he turned it off. It wouldn't turn on at all. I had him take it to sprint and do warranty, they said they needed to open it(LAWL). He went back an hour later, they couldn't open it of course. They handed him a new phone.

Have you tried plugging it into a pc to see if it recognizes anything in device manager? Checked adb devices and fastboot devices?

I have. And nothing. No charge no power no recognizing
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