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Okay, this post is really intended as a comment and I am not going to pretend I have THE answer but I do have some suggestions to spark discussion.
Based on a lot of the recent comments and back and forth about newbies/tech support I think that the forum is trending the same way I have seen MANY other forums go. What happens is simple; a group of first adopters, who are by default, technically capable, get together on a forum and start to fill in the gaps in tech support, especially when it comes to 'modded' soft or hardwre. They spend a while helping each other out and a comfort level develops. Members know where to go, and when to ask questions.
Then what happens is that the hardware becomes much more popular. All of a sudden your average Joe can walk out a Cingular store with a 8125 for a couple hundred bucks. These folks are NOT early adopters. They are not necessarily tech savvy. They are the people that are most prone to 'keyboard to chair interface errors'. Since the early members did such a good job raising the profile of the forum it starts to come up every time someone does a Google search. and they all end up over their heads.
So then the folks that have been around for a while start to get frustrated. Why should they provide tech support? Why can't these newbies read? Why should they even try to help if they get barraged by stupid questions?
Well I think that takes us to where we are now, so the question is what do we do now? In my experience the only solution that I have seen is to have people equally dedicated to wiki and sticky writing as they are to writing ROMs and programs. The truth is that if you release something you WILL become tech support and a large part of tech support is writing documentation and then explaining it to others.
I have intended this post as something helpful and to spark discussion, not as a criticism of anyone in particular or any particular group. Hopefully it will be taken as such
I agree. I get the feeling that since the relaunch, for one reason or another, there appears to be a lot more"Why don't my apps close when I press X?" and "How dat I swtich this thing 0ff!!!!!!!" type posts.
I think that it's beholden on more experienced users to try to share their experience as they see fit, but it's absolutely essential that newbs and less experienced users use the search button and wiki.
I've been sponsoring a post in the moderators' forum regarding having a specific section for Tutorials etc, eg for the excellent posts that Menneisyys puts together. The wiki may not be the best place for them (due to the risk of negative edits), although it's certainly better then people never looking at them at all...
But as you say, it's pretty much predicted by psychohistory that all fora of dedicated people will eventually turn into a tech support. I don't mind, but less experienced must use the resources already online - quid pro quo.
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As a new user on this forum i have noticed inconsitant information about G3 vs G4 devices and ROM upgrading. I've seen questions asked by people about G4 devices that go unanswered.
I think the problem with searching on this forum and many others. They do not allow you to search for 3 or fewer letter acronyms such as IPL, SPL, CID. There is no way to search for answers about these things. If there is a setting on the forum that can be changed to allow searching for these terms, then please fix it.
I think when people start posting info about how they did something they need to specify what hardware they are using G3/G4. Thankfully i havent done anything as far as modding my device, but i had seen posts where someone most likely with a G3 device says they figured out how to do this or that, Then someone with a G4 comes along and tried it, not knowing it was done on a G3 and ended up screwing up their device. We need to clearly specify what hardware we are doing mods on.
I still have no clear answer about CID unlocking a G4. I know there is no free utility to do it. Ive seen posts that say the imei-check site can CID unlock. Then i saw a post this morning that imei-check is only a SIM unlock. Can people please provide clear info?
d0ug said:
As a new user on this forum i have noticed inconsitant information about G3 vs G4 devices and ROM upgrading. I've seen questions asked by people about G4 devices that go unanswered.
I think the problem with searching on this forum and many others. They do not allow you to search for 3 or fewer letter acronyms such as IPL, SPL, CID. There is no way to search for answers about these things. If there is a setting on the forum that can be changed to allow searching for these terms, then please fix it.
I think when people start posting info about how they did something they need to specify what hardware they are using G3/G4. Thankfully i havent done anything as far as modding my device, but i had seen posts where someone most likely with a G3 device says they figured out how to do this or that, Then someone with a G4 comes along and tried it, not knowing it was done on a G3 and ended up screwing up their device. We need to clearly specify what hardware we are doing mods on.
I still have no clear answer about CID unlocking a G4. I know there is no free utility to do it. Ive seen posts that say the imei-check site can CID unlock. Then i saw a post this morning that imei-check is only a SIM unlock. Can people please provide clear info?
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I agree with you d0ug! It is rather confusing to navigate and find your way. Especially when you are a n00b, such as myself. I have been trying to mod my phone for 3 days now. I have tried many ways of unlocking my G3, but none of them have worked. I have listened to 3 different people tell me their "way" of unlocking the phone, and all 3 attempts failed in the end. I get flamed for not reading posts or searching, when i did, just nothing relevant popped up! This is not a whine fest, just saying that some people dont have phones that were built on a Wednesday, like mine that was probably built on a Monday and has issues!
Either way, i called Cingular and they are shipping me a brand new 8125 to test things out on!
Canon
Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents
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I agree. I get the feeling that since the relaunch, for one reason or another, there appears to be a lot more"Why don't my apps close when I press X?" and "How dat I swtich this thing 0ff!!!!!!!" type posts.
I think that it's beholden on more experienced users to try to share their experience as they see fit, but it's absolutely essential that newbs and less experienced users use the search button and wiki.
I've been sponsoring a post in the moderators' forum regarding having a specific section for Tutorials etc, eg for the excellent posts that Menneisyys puts together. The wiki may not be the best place for them (due to the risk of negative edits), although it's certainly better then people never looking at them at all...
But as you say, it's pretty much predicted by psychohistory that all fora of dedicated people will eventually turn into a tech support. I don't mind, but less experienced must use the resources already online - quid pro quo.
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Vijay, very happy to see that the mods are looking at this. I agree that Wiki's have their limitations especially given the validity of some of the comments about conflicting advice.
The search function definitely does have its limits as well, and people are less likely to go through searches that produce a 100 threads with 5 pages each.
I for one would feel a lot better about telling someone harshly to stop answering questions if I knew that I could also direct them to a single place for answers.
I really love this forum and it has helped me so much. I don't post much except to say "thank you" from time to time to the people who have made some program that has been helpful to me. And although I have been coming to this board every day for over a year I still don't know half as much as the majority of people here.
Some solutions to this problem are:
1) get frustrated and write a mean message to the noob
2) take a minute and just give the link to the page where the answer is
3) make it easier on this forum to find things
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Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents
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That could be nice... part of the things that had contributed to the bad search results are the tons of new threads asking the very same questions over and over and over again... is there anyway to disable these threads from showing up in the search results? Maybe it's time for us to out up another sticky thread specifically talking abóut G4 devices =)
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That could be nice... part of the things that had contributed to the bad search results are the tons of new threads asking the very same questions over and over and over again... is there anyway to disable these threads from showing up in the search results? Maybe it's time for us to out up another sticky thread specifically talking abóut G4 devices =)
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I would like to see a thread dedicated to G4 devices, with verified correct information in it.
It isnt just people asking the same questions over and over making the search junk. Its the inability to even search for simple short 3 letter acronyms like CID, IPL, SPL, AKU. These are all things I have tried to search for and get 0 results. If I were able to search for these terms I could probably turn up a wealth of information on my own.
_Nomad_ said:
Haven't been a wizard user that long although I've been in the ppc scene in about 5 years and quite active in several forums. The most successful solution that I've seen to this problem (witch enevitably always comes up) is to not let new users post for at least 7 days and/or forcing them to read various informational topics before getting access to the actual forum.
This will of course not get everyone but has in my experience improved the situation considerably.
Ah well, that's just my two cents
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That would work me thinks!!!!!
Hi all,
I've been reading this forum for weeks now and still have not found enough answers to be secure enough and cid-unlock my G3 2.21 vario.
I HAVE indeed read most relevant threads, although navigating them can be somewhat confusing. However When I posted some -in my n00b opinion - valid questions I either got 1) no reply whatsoever 2) replies to read "the" threads....which wasn't really helpfull or I wouldn't have asked 3) contradicting advice .... like a 2.21 G3 Can be unlocked, or it Cannot be unlocked, you have to downgrade twice, you have to upgrade twice, you Can or Cannot flash a G4 rom to a G3 device so you won't have to downgrade and CID unlock your phone first, etc.
I believe that I am somewhat beyond the real n00b level right now but still I'd like information to be more consistent and easier to find, I've already tried to suggest making a stickied n00b FAQ or wiki for us where to find the basic answers in a easy and consistent manner so the sdame questions aren't asked over and over and ROM threads hijacked for support questions.
but that is just my cup of tea.
thanks for a good forum with vlauable info.
stefan.
Regular search
Personally, I find using google or yahoo, with site:xda-developers.com, works much better than the forum search. My personal pet peeve is the inability to use quotes to search for phrases. Quotes don't work.
A major problem with "read the threads" is the 800+ entry length of some of them. It would be nice to try to harness the power of those of us newly figuring things out and ask them to submit a wiki for something they just learned. If we had a submission point for the wiki, perhaps those of us who recently learned new things would do a how-to write-up and submit it to the wiki.
Finally, there are a lot of repeat threads, many with false or useless information. These threads stand in the way of a searcher. I would be happier if the moderators deleted more bad threads. Alternatively, we could use democracy -- add a "vote to delete" button to every thread not posted by a moderator and if a high enough percentage vote to delete, the thread is gone. I'd suggest 20% as a threshold -- more than that and the thread goes away.
Have been reading all your comments and completely agree with you guys... I see you have specific problems on G3/G4 on Wizards, as someone suggested a separate subforum for G4 devices would be ideal for you, and also for Prophet I guess.
About the search functions I'm also using google to search as a fallback when I can't find specific things using vBulletin's integrated search function, there's a thread on the mod forum where we discussed how to improve it, but seems is not very active now... will try to push Flar to do something about that.
Regarding the wiki, I think everyone should be less afraid to edit, if you look at the "recent changes" you see always the same people is editing. Have a look at the Hermes or BlueAngel wiki pages, these are good examples on how info has to be organized on the wiki, it's easy to find everything on the front page and information is well divided. Formating may seem a bit complicated at the beginning, but you don't have to care too much if you just want to add content, sure someone more experienced with wiki syntax will edit and correct any bad formating mistakes.
I do 100% agree with you that the wiki itself doesn't cover half of what it should. Yet if you take the time to read through it, and the links, you should be quite familiar with your device...
And oh yeah, sure, you can't search for keywords less than four characters, but that's not really an excuse... look at the thread containing the latest Faria ROM. Half... Half of what the thread contains is the same question over and over again... those ppl didn't even read the initial post of the thread... they found the download link, tried to install the ROM, got problem and went right to work, posting their (stupid) question all over again and again... The problem was never the limited search capabilities... It's always the ppl...
A board without limitations always get bloated with crap, whether it's unwanted commercial och just plain stupid posts...
So, unfortunatly this is going to continue unless you put constraints on the board... I'm sorry, but that's what's gonna happen.
Seems to me that since this was posted the situation has sorta escalated... Faria, Molski, risidoro and just now Dr P has announced their leave.
In this rate all that'll be left will be the newbies soon. Sad to witness
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And oh yeah, sure, you can't search for keywords less than four characters, but that's not really an excuse... look at the thread containing the latest Faria ROM. Half... Half of what the thread contains is the same question over and over again... those ppl didn't even read the initial post of the thread... they found the download link, tried to install the ROM, got problem and went right to work, posting their (stupid) question all over again and again... The problem was never the limited search capabilities... It's always the ppl...
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It's also very human.
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A board without limitations always get bloated with crap, whether it's unwanted commercial och just plain stupid posts...
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There just should be enough moderators. Now what happens when you write something stupid is you also get useless answers like "don't do that" which just makes everything even worse. There should be a "FAQ"-section, there should be a "how-to"-section etc...but there isn't. The forum structure is FAR TOO SIMPLE to handle the amount of messages.
Two main things to handle this (just my opinion):
Re-designed forum structure
Moderators
(well, the structure should be designed in the first place so that it would be easy to extend it later...not an easy job)
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...A major problem with "read the threads" is the 800+ entry length of some of them. It would be nice to try to harness the power of those of us newly figuring things out...
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I usually suggest to those asking questions to post the solution to their question in the first post. But I'm over at the Mio forums, and since we only have 4500 peps, the mods aren't overwhelmed. I can lock a thread, post the correct thread to post in, and a few days later, delete the thread. I spend 1/2 my time using the search function to consolidate questions into single threads. But like I said, that's not feasible here. I suggest a PM sent to everyone the registers, that is kind of a quick start guide. I understand why the 3 letter limit, because people type words like "the" and "and". I'm not sure how powerful the forum software is, but it would be nice to remove the size limit, and omit such words as mentioned above, from the search.
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Jason
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There should be a "FAQ"-section, there should be a "how-to"-section etc...but there isn't. The forum structure is FAR TOO SIMPLE to handle the amount of messages.
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Ummm, have you ever taken the time to look at the Wiki?
This forum is being provided to us basically for free. (Except for voluntary donations.) I personally can't afford to donate $$$ to the community, or for that matter to individual developers, so I dedicate some time to post in the forums to share what I've learned. I have also donated time to updating the Wiki.
If the Wiki doesn't contain all you would like it to, just add it yourself! One brief tutorial could make a world of difference to a newbie, or even a more experienced user. It also helps to point out gaps in the general knowledge we have here in these forums.
If, for example, there isn't a sub-forum for the device you use, you don't have to wait for the moderators, etc. to create it. Just create a Wiki page, and get the ball rolling on your own!
Take the initiative! That's what these forums were founded on!
Just my opinion.
Now go have fun!
JKR said:
I suggest a PM sent to everyone the registers, that is kind of a quick start guide. I understand why the 3 letter limit, because people type words like "the" and "and". I'm not sure how powerful the forum software is, but it would be nice to remove the size limit, and omit such words as mentioned above, from the search.
Regards,
Jason
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First of all, you get much better, and more detailed search results by using a search-engine like Google. Their advanced search features do a fantastic job, and can be fine tuned to search only through a specific site. (i.e. http://forum.xdadevelopers.com )
Secondly, as opposed to a PM, possibly an email with a confirmation link after the introductory information.
Hope this helps....
Now go have fun!
I think it is more synonymous of the world today, do you read the manual when you buy a new stereo or mobile phone, or do you dig in saying 'nah i know how it works it'll be ok'. People just dont take the time to understand first, they think they know it all and then the proverbial hits the fan! As an experienced R&D firmware developer it doesn't matter how easy I make the interface you will always get those that stuff it up!
So not such an easy one to fix, you have given the masses a place to ask the ridiculous and the tools to stuff up easily, How do you fix that?
Riptos
Ok. I don't know if this will get stickied or not, I hope it will. Mods can feel free to change the title of the post if need be. Here's a stab at answering a few questions which are asked repeatedly.
First and foremost:
CLICK THE SEARCH BUTTON BEFORE ASKING ANYTHING WHATSOEVER.
Secondly:
IF YOU HAVE ROOTED YOUR PHONE, MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE...THEN SAVE A COPY OF IT TO YOUR DESKTOP
Don't even bother asking for help if you've screwed up a ROM install and don't have a backup. The only advice you'll get is to use the RUU (which can be found here).
Having gotten that out of the way here are some of the typical questions and answers.
#1. What's the fastest/best/most interesting/etc ROM out there.
Answer: Try them all and see. If you read the first page of each ROM thread the bugs/fixes are posted. If you see a thread without the bugs/fixes, READ THE THREAD FOR THAT ROM AND ASK YOUR QUESTIONS IN IT. Do not create a new thread to ask questions like: Does everything work in <INSERT ROMNAME HERE> rom?
#2. How do I...?
Answer: The answer to your question is probably http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=CDMA%20Hero%20Guides. If it's not there, it's almost definitely under search. Stop asking. Stop creating new threads. It just makes people mad and clutters up the forums.
#3. I think I bricked/broke/messed up my phone
Answer: Did you flash a GSM radio on top of a CDMA phone (or vice versa)? Then probably not. Pull your battery, restore from the NANDROID BACKUP I'm certain you made when you first rooted your phone and try again. Almost all bad ROM flashes can be fixed by wiping and reinstalling your ROM. Check your battery level. Never flash a ROM if the level is below 30%.
#4. I'm getting an error after using the RUU (110, etc)
Answer: Check the wiki guides above. There is a thread which tells you how to recover. If you are too lazy to read through the fixes, here is the thread.
#5. The Sprint 2.x upgrade is coming soon! I have pr00f!
Answer: No, you don't. Stop posting new threads to draw attention to yourself. The ROM upgrade will be out when it's out and not before Sprint is ready to release. Any release date you might have heard is tentative at best and flat out wrong in most cases. Stop creating threads about it, we don't care where you got your information.
#6. Audio doesn't work in my custom 2.x ROM
Answer: Try here. There are two fixes in this thread for it.
#7. I just flashed <INSERT ROMNAME HERE> ROM and everything's all screwed up.
Answer: Wipe everything and start over. In your nandroid recovery, select 'Wipe Data/Factory Reset'. When that's done wipe 'Dalvik-Cache'. Then when that's done (if you have installed a2sd (apps2sd)) wipe SD:EXT. Then reflash the ROM. 9 times out of 10 this will fix it. The 10th time, ask in the ROM thread, do NOT create a new thread for your issue.
#8. My battery life sucks. Or: What's the battery life on this ROM?
Answer:
Search. There are a lot of threads about battery life already. If your answer's not there, ask in the ROM thread (after searching that thread of course).
Android Terms:
a2sd/apps2sd: The process of moving user installed applications from internal storage to the SD card
Rosie: Typically used as a term describing certain graphical characteristics of the Android operating system, primarily the 'bottom bar' of the phone. Example: Stock Rosie is curved, espresso Rosie is not, with rounded edges.
Also:
"For the record, with 2.1 we CAN NOT just alter the rosie launcher or the taskbar or the HTC lockbar. The files are all tied up together. This means that, if you have installed someones taskbar mods, and then later you decide you want a different rosie, when you flash the new rosie it WILL undo some of the taskbar mods....UNLESS you have a themer do a custom just for you and provide them a link to the taskbar that you are using. I cannot stress the part about providing them a link enough. That is just common courtesy. There are plenty of folks out here willing to help you. Many will even help you learn to do it yourself. Just ask nice and be patient. This is a hobby for us, too, and we often have our own projects that we are working on." - tejasrichard
There is a way to do both, however:
"And a little correction about changing only the rosie or taskbar, you can if you use metamorph [/QUOTE]
You can find metamorph in the Android Market." -danaff37
JIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine Also see the following URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation.
LWP: Live Wallpapers. Animated wallpapers that run on your home screen. Until recently, not available in the HTC Sense UI.
MNS: Mobile Network Sharing. The act of using your cell phone as a USB or WIFI connected internet router. Example: Connecting your desktop/latop to the internet via your cell phone's mobile internet.
AOSP: Android Open Source Project http://source.android.com/
PRI: Profile of your phone. Used by your carrier to set up your network/internet settings.
PRL: Preferred Roaming List. List of cell towers close to your present location. This allows the phone to roam more easily since it has a built-in database of towers, rather than having to search for one.
This is getting too long, so I'm going to summarize:
No one likes reading the same questions over and over. If you can't be bothered to at least search for the answers, do us all a favor and don't say anything.
Stop saying things like 'I didn't feel like reading 300 pages of <INSERT ROMNAME HERE>'s thread. How do I?'...USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION TO SEARCH THAT THREAD.
If you don't read the guides, and instruction posts, then screw up your phone, don't whine about it. It's your own fault. It's not the fault of the ROM dev, or the ROM, or anything else. It's YOUR FAULT. Accept responsibility.
Did someone at the Sprint Store piss you off by not accepting your water damaged phone for replacement? Are you mad because they gave you a refurb instead of a brand new phone? We don't care. This is a DEVELOPMENT FORUM. It's for development of roms/themes/etc and discussions of roms/themes/etc. It's not a place to whine that you're being treated badly by Sprint. Post about it on Sprint's forums.
I think that covers the basics. If you're new here, do us all a favor and read this post, follow what's inside it. If you're not new and are a chronic whiner, read this post, follow what's inside it. Just stop cluttering the forums and making it impossible to find any information in it at all.
EPIC!!!!
Touche'
Ok, so I am fairly new and broke 4 out of the 7 rules... But I am behaving now, and actually appreciate the basis of this Thread. That said. I didn't know what I didn't know and having this Thread at least gives new folks clear and pointed fair warning.
Great POST!!!!
lol
It wasn't aimed at you specifically, or at anyone really. It's just a general set of guidelines designed to curb repetitive posting.
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Thank you! Honestly it's sad you have to make a thread like this, but it was definitely needed. Wayyy too many noobs come here asking questions that have been answered many many times over.
great read! But you know the only ones who actually read this are those of us that actually follow the guidelines and it will simply pass by the 'others' without a second glance lol
yeah, maybe edit the title to official 2.1 sprint download... haha
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great read! But you know the only ones who actually read this are those of us that actually follow the guidelines and it will simply pass by the 'others' without a second glance lol
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Perhaps. But if those of us who follow the guidelines refuse to ANSWER the noobs who don't read this, except for maybe a link to this thread, there will be fewer BS threads to have to deal with.
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Perhaps. But if those of us who follow the guidelines refuse to ANSWER the noobs who don't read this, except for maybe a link to this thread, there will be fewer BS threads to have to deal with.
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+10000000 Don't respond to threads just paste links to this thread good idea.
J/K. Good idea.
Just bookmarked it to make linking easier!
How about this noob question? where can I find a dummies guide to terms? A really good one stop shop. Stuff noobs like me don't know like rosie, apps2..., you name it. If its out there I Want to know what it is. P.S. I checked both wiki s and did a search for the word "terms" in titles.
T.I.A
Yamus
Re: Answers for Noobs who like to ask questions. READ THIS BEFORE ASKING ANYTHING.
There is already a thread like that actually... lol
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yamus08 said:
How about this noob question? where can I find a dummies guide to terms? A really good one stop shop. Stuff noobs like me don't know like rosie, apps2..., you name it. If its out there I Want to know what it is. P.S. I checked both wiki s and did a search for the word "terms" in titles.
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What terms specifically? I'll add them to the OP.
Edit: Added the two you listed.
Nothing specifically, at this very moment but, I come across new ones all the time when reading different posts. If it's cool, I'll just keep posting them here as I come to them and, if you think they should be in the op you can add them there or, if not, maybe just reply back down in the thread.
BTW. I know that I can google most terms and find them, and I have no problem whatsoever doing that, it's just nice when someone coming here to learn can expedite the process a lil with the help of some of the seniors.
well i'm a noob, i had no idea what the hell lwp was... it means live wallpaper right?
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well i'm a noob, i had no idea what the hell lwp was... it means live wallpaper right?
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I'll answer to keep this thread on page 1...yes
MNS = mobile network sharing
JIT = Just-in-time compiler WIKI
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I'll answer to keep this thread on page 1...yes
MNS = mobile network sharing
JIT = Just-in-time compiler WIKI
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Me too...
well i'm a noob, i had no idea what the hell lwp was... it means live wallpaper right?
REALLY????? 3 P I C F A I LLMGTFY.COM, Try That One....
Noob Tube
I am a noob, i like finding and searching for things, its awesome, thats ok though, i wont be a noob for long,...................
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Me too...
well i'm a noob, i had no idea what the hell lwp was... it means live wallpaper right?
REALLY????? 3 P I C F A I LLMGTFY.COM, Try That One....
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Not helpful. The point here is not to create a thread full of *****ing, but to create a SINGLE thread so that we don't have 15000000 posts of the same thing. So if you can't help, stfu.
I'll add the other terms listed to the front page.
What the hell is going on in this forum? I've never seen a forum with so many posts for other devices. If there are any mods out there, would you be so kind to clean this place up a little.
from my Tranquil Rezound
I've been wondering the same thing. I realize XDA is a huge forum, but there are MANY Mods (so it seems). I find it hard to believe that these threads have been out of place for this long. I don't like to sound like I'm being rude, but there are threads that have been here for day after day and there's a list of mods at the top that look over this part of the forum. I know people have lives and all but I'd think that a mod would see things like "Xperia 8" "Zte v970m" and "monetize free desktop applications" and knew that something was wrong. o.o
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I'm sure we have been wondering that...
From my Count there are 20 threads that have nothing to do with the one and were posted all for other devices. Thats quite ridiculous. I think its time that I unsubscribe from the Question and troubleshooting forum for the HTC One. Its quite a waste of time. Too many posts for devices and problems I don't really care about.
Instead of instantly saying "wrong forum", you might try asking what steps did they take to get to this post. Just a thought.
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I can understand maybe the odd noob getting confused and posting in here related to a "One series" phone....but posting in here for a "sammy" phone? WTF....even a noob couldn't be that dumb....could they?:silly:
Deffo agree that the place could do with a big clean up though.:good:
I am sure there were people who were really confused and made mistake posting other devices' question here.
BUT! This should not happen so frequently like this! People are noob in solving their phone's problem but are not so blind that they can't see the forum title!
So I believe this is organized activity that aims to mess up our htc one q&a section. They actually achieved their goal, see people are not subscribing to this section few posts above.
This is very sad, not trying to point finger to anyone/any company behind this, but if you consider xda forum is so powerful now those company's marketing people could easily use this place to promote their product, or on the other hand, prevent people from accessing valuable information by distracting them, then in the end, make them lose interest or potentially delay their decision of buying the forum related product.
We are all clever enough to figure out, if my theory is true, who is more likely behind this and so afraid of HTC's new flag ship One!
I think what we should do is, keep sticking to this forum, and post more related topics actively to show our support to our beloved device. We need this q&a section and it is down to us in the end to keep it active!
actually, I found it quite amusing, every time I come here, there were new posts asking unrelated questions, and this actually makes me come here more often.
Also, I would like to point out, we should NEVER answer those unrelated question but only point out they are posted at the wrong place, and only the first one or two people doing that will be enough. We want those threads die out quickly not keep remerging at the top!!!
Please help all of us keep this place as it should be! And keep calm and carry on.
Reported all the threads which should not be here to the mods so hopefully they will pop along and do a quick tidy up for us.
How does one become a mod anyways? Because I've never seen any of the mods for these forums, I'd rather see one of us (that is seen on the ONE forums frequently) to become a mod that way at least we have someone who will see all these post about different devices.
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How does one become a mod anyways? Because I've never seen any of the mods for these forums, I'd rather see one of us (that is seen on the ONE forums frequently) to become a mod that way at least we have someone who will see all these post about different devices.
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They used to take applications, not anymore
We have plenty on mods, they just won't really moderate this forum until the device is released
Sent from my One X using Tapatalk 2
So where are the mods?
We are here of course. I alone have moved 15 threads today to the right forums, and I must admit that I also haven't seen so many ill-placed posts anywhere yet. Maybe the One-Forum is like a magnet, lol. Or it really is some deliberate action.
Those threads are taken care of if reported or if seen by coincidence. But we don't open every thread in Q&A. And at least the ones I have moved today were not recognizable as misplaced from the thread title. Or would you see from "Never worked" that the poster meant his SGS3?
So I close this now.
It seems there has been some kind of technical issue, which meant threads ended up in this forum, without actually having been posted in this forum.
Its great we ve FINALLY got our own thread and sub forums, but we seem to have gone from one extreme to the other, now instead of one extremely large thread thats difficult to navigate, we have way too many fourms, sub forums and threads that are now far, far too time consuming to navigate due to the shear amount of them - the time taken checking each of the separate forums, threads and sub threads will end up being the same or longer than it was searching the entire previous massive thread. Users wishing to help others will have to spend ages checking each forum for questions they can answer. There also appears to already be instances of threads opened for one manufacturer that actually applies to all versions.
Am I the only one thinking this ?
lol @typos1. I sort of agree, but at the same time, it's better for organizing different information. If I want to quickly look up a hardware mod, I don't have to sift through hundreds of search results in the monolithic thread.
It'll definitely take some getting used to, but I think the change will ultimately be positive.
Yeah, I know the idea, but its more extreme than I expected.
I think there should be a general discussion thread that people "land" on and then go to other threads/sub forums after for advice/more info/general MTC headunit news - there needs to be a thread similar to the old one, or even the old one re-opened and people could be re-directed to relevant posts/threads. I ve already had one well known poster message me about there no longer being anywhere for them to post and we really dont wanna be losing their contributions.
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Yeah, I know the idea, but its more extreme than I expected.
I think there should be a general discussion thread that people "land" on and then go to other threads/sub forums after for advice/more info/general MTC headunit news - there needs to be a thread similar to the old one, or even the old one re-opened and people could be re-directed to relevant posts/threads. I ve already had one well known poster message me about there no longer being anywhere for them to post and we really dont wanna be losing their contributions.
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I think part of the issue is the XDA redesign; device forums now land you on this "overview" page, with the main sub-forums, and then threads beneath those. The MTCB* subs should really be a top-level device page, with the individual General/Q&A/Dev/Software-Apps sub-forums beneath that. Like:
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I think part of the issue is the XDA redesign; device forums now land you on this "overview" page, with the main sub-forums, and then threads beneath those. The MTCB* subs should really be a top-level device page, with the individual General/Q&A/Dev/Software-Apps sub-forums beneath that. Like:
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Yeah that would be MUCH better.
Yeah I really don't know if this was any better. One forum would have been manageable, this is insane.
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I think part of the issue is the XDA redesign; device forums now land you on this "overview" page, with the main sub-forums, and then threads beneath those. The MTCB* subs should really be a top-level device page, with the individual General/Q&A/Dev/Software-Apps sub-forums beneath that. Like:
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Isn't that what you have got..?
But just with MTCB in front of it..
Don't you think it's better now that you can ...
Subscribe to a post in a forum about that particular subject/hardware mod..?
As I do for about 10 other devices and mainline foums I follow..so when I use tapatalk (when its working )
I have them all laid out in front of me..
Jezz is that poster for real..suggesting that a over 2,000 post thread is better then what we have got now..
Think about it..give it a few months and it would have been 4,000 posts in one thread..
Let this settle..quit *****ing and thanks to the guys for letting it happen..
Easy fix... Subscribe to the thread you are interested in..done..no more digging and you have it locked in..not that hard really..
Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
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Isn't that what you have got..?
But just with MTCB in front of it..
Don't you think it's better now that you can ...
Subscribe to a post in a forum about that particular subject/hardware mod..?
As I do for about 10 other devices and mainline foums I follow..so when I use tapatalk (when its working )
I have them all laid out in front of me..
Jezz is that poster for real..suggesting that a over 2,000 post thread is better then what we have got now..
Think about it..give it a few months and it would have been 4,000 posts in one thread..
Let this settle..quit *****ing and thanks to the guys for letting it happen..
Easy fix... Subscribe to the thread you are interested in..done..no more digging and you have it locked in..not that hard really..
Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
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Not "*****ing" but valid criticism, things are more difficult and more complex than they were before, theres far too many threads and forums to keep track of everything, as I said, things have gone from one extreme to the other and theres seems to be a total lack of moderation - theres a thread for Joying units when Joying simply re-sell Joyous units, you think a moderator would allow an "Amazon Glaxy S6" thread in the smartphones section ? It would be merged or closed cos of dupilcation. I wanna keep abreast of all the latest develoment and now I have to spend a HELL of a lot more time checking multiple threads to do that, whereas before I had just one thread to read. I ve been participating in the the original thread for the last 2 years I ve often called for a proper forum for these units, but as I said in my post, we ve gone from one extreme to the other and things are worse than they were previously, I d never have called for our own forum if I knew things would be like this.
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Not "*****ing" but valid criticism, things are more difficult and more complex than they were before, theres far too many threads and forums to keep track of everything, as I said, things have gone from one extreme to the other and theres seems to be a total lack of moderation - theres a thread for Joying units when Joying simply re-sell Joyous units, you think a moderator would allow an "Amazon Glaxy S6" thread in the smartphones section ? It would be merged or closed cos of dupilcation. I wanna keep abreast of all the latest develoment and now I have to spend a HELL of a lot more time checking multiple threads to do that, whereas before I had just one thread to read. I ve been participating in the the original thread for the last 2 years I ve often called for a proper forum for these units, but as I said in my post, we ve gone from one extreme to the other and things are worse than they were previously, I d never have called for our own forum if I knew things would be like this.
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I agree.
I think you are missing the point...
Granted you have been in that same thread for two years..and you have got a handle on it..
But what about the thousands of users that are going to be looking for the same answers that are getting mapped out in their own [email protected] threads.
Let's revisit this again in a few months and see how we are going..
All good ...
Sent from my TF300T using Tapatalk
dgcruzing said:
I think you are missing the point...
Granted you have been in that same thread for two years..and you have got a handle on it..
But what about the thousands of users that are going to be looking for the same answers that are getting mapped out in their own [email protected] threads.
Let's revisit this again in a few months and see how we are going..
All good ...
Sent from my TF300T using Tapatalk
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No, you have TOTALLY missed my point - its partly them I m thinking about, theres stuff theyre never gonna know cos they dont realise that their JY unit is effectively the same as a KGL unit so they wont check the KGL thread cos as far as theyre aware they dont have one of those. The MASSIVE thread that was running for 2 years proves that hardly anyone bothers to read the first posts/sticky, so its highly unlikely they ll ever realise . . . and yet, they might well decide theyd prefer the KGL ROM, or the KLD built in apps, for instance, but they may never know about it or that they can use it.
We need multiple threads relating to different branded/manufacturer's units merged, because they are effectively the same product. Similarly, software mods apply to all versions, so threads for instance, about apps or a ROM for JY units (probably started by well meaning, but less knowledgeable posters) should be merged or re-titled because the software can be run on ANY MTCB headunit type with matching processor/screen res (with the exception of some screen mirroring apps for the RK3188 which wont run on RK3066 versions). But separate hardware mod threads like for example, how to do the mic mod to JY version - which is slightly different to the mic mod for a KGL version, which in turn is slightly different to the one for KLD version - left alone as this is done to the slight hardware differences between the different units.
Whats needed is a half way house between one massive thread and multiple forums and threads weve suddenly got now.
BTW, you DONT have a "CarJoying" unit, CarJoying are simply re-sellers of units made by Shenzhen Joyous, your unit is no more a "CarJoying" unit than a Galaxy S6 bought from Amazon is an "Amazon" Galaxy S6 - you have a Joyous unit, or a JY. I think this kinda proves my point.
Soon, there ll be "CarJoying" threads and JY threads for units that are identical ! - MADNESS. Needs to be sorted.
My opinion on forum & threads
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Not to knock all the effort that has gone into splitting off the massive thread, I agree with the sentiments posted here
Dedicated forum was good in theory...
Perhaps I'm just old and used to how it was
Okay let me sort out some things:
We were fighting for our own section a logn time on the main thread. Now we goot it you don't want them anymore...
Wow...
Okay to come to your arguments:
I told @MikeChannon it would be better to have a "device" but he decided to do it that way as it's fitting better here.
Of course we can reopen the main thread but it's better to have knowledge separated.
What do you guys think about this:
Re-Open the Main thread for general questions (e.g. searching for information).
Leave the rest as it is and especially leave the information (knowledge) at their own threads.
It is much easier to find things like Apps, Mods, ROMs etc in that strucutre as it was in this big thread. also it's easier to follow specific topics.
What I agree with you is that it's harder to keep track of the mass of new thread or of greater masses of topics.
You now don't have one thread bloated with masses of information but four sections with "masses" of threads.
I am sure @MikeChannon will have a look into this thread and I hope he will think about changing our section to a device section again.
It really is a bit irritating to have our forums directly next to the other Android Auto sections.
I suggested to do things that way: XDA -> Android Auto -> MTCB -> Sections here but Mike told me there is a problem with some mobile apps when having forums deeper than two levels.
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I also received a PN suggesting to reduce the number of forums.
Let's discuss that here please.
What would you want? Just split up into Knowledge and Q&A? Or even just one big forum with everything in it? But I think that yould be too mixed up then. I would suggest - if we decide to request to change the structure again that we leave at least Q&A and Knowledge sepearated.
When it comes to the issue that people split up between pumpkin, klyde etc I can ask Mike to change the info box above the forums.
Please also note that some of those mentioned threads are from the past? I moved them here from android auto section as it's of course also MTCB.
Honestly I don't know what the fuss is about..apart from a individual not wanting problems he has brought in the main thread started as a thread.. If that's the case then 'can' those threads and let nature take its course..
as am example..and laid out pretty much as a dummies guide to how XDA has always been once a piece of equipment warrents its own sub-forums.. And note.. It not just a joy thing..any of these sub forums can morf in the " best of'.. Ie.. If a super manufacture comes along and blows everyone out of the water then..there will be roms, software and [email protected] going for them under these very sub forums..
K.. So lets use some examples..
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
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The sub forums as they stand..
Right let's go and have a look at the Samsung S5 forums..as they stand..
K...to keep this debate fair..let's throw in a few more that I personally follow.. Via mostly the tapatalk app..
So with the understanding that as Mike has pointed out..going deeper then 2 layers causes problems for mobile.. We can see a very clear pattern that is emerging..
So lets revisit how it is now and take in to account..with a little more modding (and don't get me started on that unless you want to put your hand up to be a mod.. I haven't as I have another life outside XDA forums.. But with that in mind..I take my hat off to mods who give thier free time to keep such threads under control..a thankless task..)
Anyway..back on track..back to where we stand..
So tell me after viewing my post what is so vastly different then any other device that gets a huge following..zip..zilch..
We now have a well laid out plan of sub forums in which an organic growth of inputs can be directed..instead of a unwieldy huge thread that contains posts of hardware mods..software and roms..
As stated..let it ride for a few more months to sort its self out..
Wipe the threads that people want wiped as for sure the same question is going to pop up and it will be answered.
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I suppose it was inevitable that things would not work perfectly in everyone's mind with this transition. Probably it shouldn't have been allowed to get as far as it did before some additional forums were set up. (unavoidably therefore some people are going to say, "I only had one place to look in before, now I've got several places to look, this isn't better, it's worse"). This always happens when a device(s) grows in interest to a point where it has to be split.
The forums that were created are broadly the same as for any other device here at XDA. In fact devices also have separate themes and Apps and Accessories forums in addition. What may make it appear different is the fact these new forums are coming under Android Auto which isn't technically correct and we may sort that out, but essentially you now have very similar forums to other devices.
I know for some who had lived with the old enormous thread and knew where things were, this was bound to feel like disorganisation rather that making life simpler. However, I received numerous complaints that things were getting messy and impossible to find because they were not categorized into standard forums with shorter threads.
That said, if you want a general thread as someone suggested, then have one.
I saw someone suggest that several devices use the same software and don't need separate threads. I understand that although that's a difficult message to get across to newer users who don't realize this and create new threads. It may sound simple to merge such threads together but merging causes confusion as they merge in date order and and you end up with a mess of posts that don't follow each other and make sense anymore. My experience also tells me that when we've tried merging in the past we get angry users saying things like "you might think these devices are the same or use the same software but you are wrong, there are subtle and important differences and I created a new thread for a reason!!!, now you merged it and created a mess". Not sure I have an easy answer to this point.
I saw a user above say he wasn't happy with his posts being separated out into different threads though he did understand it was for good intentions. From my point of view I don't mind if certain posts are copied back to the huge thread but keep in mind we're all trying to create something that will work going forward for new users and for people who are familiar with our standard types of forum.
I'm not sure of the value in re-opening the long thread. I'm not against it as a sort of general discussion place, but I feel that distinct items shoould now be entered in the appropriate forum.
Overall, the feedback I've had is positive. Generally folk say they now know where to look even if it does mean watching/bookmarking more than one thread/forum. Painful for some but it was always going to happen with a popular type of device. You know before, (and I use a head unit myself), there is no way on earth I would have attempted to read through a 2100 page thread, but after these new forums/threads have been created I've begun to take an interest. This is important, people arriving here as new users and from other device forums expect to find things appropriately organized and in a fairly standard way, although I completely understand that this will be annoying and feel like extra work finding things for those that built up the existing long threads. We need to give it time I think and let it settle. That's not to say you can't discuss specific things with Alex who can move or copy things to achieve best results... keep in mind though that we do need ultimately to split things up even if we need to feel our way a bit for a while.
Mike
First of all thanks for your thoughts and statement on this, Mike.
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I'm not sure of the value in re-opening the long thread. I'm not against it as a sort of general discussion place, but I feel that distinct items shoould now be entered in the appropriate forum.
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I comply with this 100%.
What do you guys think about that: Keep the old ultrabig thread closed but create a new one in Q&A for people feeling lost.
Its meant for people searching for directions and for simple minimalistic questions.
A second thread could be for choosing the right unit and questions a la "Is this a MTCB unit".
Both could be pinned for easy access and good presence.
What is the exact reasons why you would like to have the old thread reopened? Can't we achieve this on another way?
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I have noticed that I have become, over night, the author of five OPs. I'm flattered. Unfortunately only two of them are remotely related or relevant to my work, and in any case I would organize things entirely differently. So please remove me from those threads. Please move the posts back to the general old thread so that they are not lost. Those threads are of no interest to nobody.
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Done.
Mike
INDEX:
Background
Purpose
General Recommendations
When You Post in a Thread
Credits
Themes (at post #2)
Tutorials, Help Threads & Guides (at post #3)
Reports about Battery Life or Endurance (at post #4)
Possible WiFi Drops (at post #5)
Background: Following some threads in this forum I've pretty early realised that quite a few bug reports, requests and questions are raised without sufficient information to allow developers (dev), recognised contributors (RCs) or other members to easily provide solid answers and recommendations or a possible fix. Everybody should remember even the highly professional dev cannot read your mind.
Purpose: To provide some recommendations how to best phrase a request to receive the most suitable answer.
General recommendations:
Please read the XDA Forum Rules provided by @MikeChannon; from my personal point of view a definite MUST READ for everybody who intends to post on XDA or to contribute to this great site. Other MUST READ's I certainly recommend to everybody who wants to "breathe" what I believe the spirit of XDA is, are the following posts:
Forum Etiquette by @TheByteSmasher,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441 by @zelendel, and last but not least
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=44 by @kyphur.
Do me the favour and really inhale what I just linked above!
Remember: Before you flash anything take a NANDROID backup or ensure you've an up-to-date one!
Before you post your issue or request, reboot at least once and try to replicate your problem. If it doesn't persist any longer the reboot might already have been the solution.
Read, read, and read again, read the OPs (first post of each thread) and scan the respective thread. Use the search function of XDA (in-thread search is so good). Also, you can use a web search. It means you have to read and study but I've no doubt you don't mind to do that for your device. With all this, you'll probably find your answer without having to post something.
A lot of OPs already contain hints how to solve commonly known issues, e.g. the [ROM][6.0.1][i9305 OFFICIAL] Resurrection Remix® M v5.7.3 OP by @rodman01 provides at the very end information and workarounds for random reboots during calls, camera crashes (see also post #43) or how to convert filesystem Ext4 to F2FS and vice versa.
You have first to know by yourself if your issue could be ROM or Kernel related. If you don't, post and see how it goes. Occasionally, the issue seems to be ROM or kernel related on the first glance but it isn't. For example, MMS sending or receiving issues are mostly related to somehow wrong or bad APN settings, or the baseband/modem isn't suitable for the respective local region or the desired carrier. A guide in regard to fixing of MMS issues is linked at post #3.
Before you post in a ROM development thread, be sure you do not run a custom kernel or Xposed (you should disable all Xposed modules and see if your issue still persists). Despite this, if you use a custom kernel or use Xposed and you're 100% sure it's ROM related, maybe you could post.
Last but not least: Don't ask what e.g. the best ROM or kernel is! All ROM, kernel, etc. available at xda are great but each one has its different specification, capabilities, pro's and con's. The best one for you is the one, which meets your desires and expectations.
When you post in a thread:
Post questions in Q&A forums or threads instead of DEV forums. But if you have a solid bug report (never reported before and fulfilling all the required criteria, check below) with all needed info, you can post in a DEV thread.
Don't make a dev, RC or anybody else to read your mind.
Don't have a dev, RC, or anybody else to make assumptions. As soon as an assumption fails the whole solution is going to become void.
Please post your issue or request by using the English language as mentioned in the XDA rules to allow everybody to understand the post and hopefully to contribute to or at least to learn out of it. Don't be afraid if English isn't your native tongue - that's certainly the case for most of the xda users. English isn't an issue here - as long as we all at least try to use this language. Even if your English skills aren't too developed just use simple wording; nobody is going to blame you; however, try to be as precise and unambiguous as possible.
Always run a logging tool to be able to augment your post by a log (logcat) file. Add the log as an attachment to your post or upload it on the cloud and paste the public link in your post. It doesn't matter, which logging tool you use but familiarise yourself with its use and where it saves the log. I'm e.g. using an app called "Catlog" that saves logs to the internal memory. Also you can use the MatLog app or use adb commands (HERE is a guide/tutorial)
If you're running Xposed uninstall it, and take the log again (while Xposed is running, the log even states that it's useless because of Xposed).
Take screenshots (quite often via buttons "Vol-" & "Pwr" or "Home" & "Pwr" depending on the ROM you use) or if more suitable a screen record (quite often via buttons "Vol+" & "Pwr") and attach them/it to your post. Before you take a screenshot or record, change your system language to English to allow everybody to understand the content of the screen. Some ROM provide these functionalities in the menu of the power button, too; however, they must be enable within the ROM settings.
Always provide exact and precise information about your issue. Write a description and, if possible, steps to reproduce.
Always provide exact and precise information about your device, the ROM, the kernel, your recovery, and specify the versions of the latter three. Occasionally information about your modem (or even bootloader) might also be helpful e.g. if you've problems with the RIL, mobile network or making phone calls. If you're on F2FS please mention.
If your issue or problem occurred immediately after you freshly flashed a ROM or kernel, please describe your installation procedure (clean, dirty, or describe when you wiped and/or formatted what). Please provide information, from which ROM or kernel you came.
If you have issues with anything from Google, specify the GApps version you flashed.
If you're using Xposed (not recommended when reporting bugs), please provide this important information including version and its developer as well as the modules you use.
Credits:
@Wood Man for commenting the initial draft and the highly valuable contributions.
@西村大一 for providing helpful comments to keep this thread valuable.
and to everybody who I mentioned in this OP or the subsequent posts. If I forgot someone I apologise. Please let me know in this case or if you want to be more prominently given credit; I'm happy to immediately follow such a request!
EDIT (2016-09-11) Reports about battery life or endurance:
Moved to post#4.
Off topic comments are allowed as long they are generally related to the overall topic, are in the general interest of the followers of this thread and add value to the thread. The ultimate decision rests with me as the OP!
Themes
In addition to all statements in the OP, themes might be able to heavily influence system/ROM performance and behaviour; however, all pending on the used ROMs. Themes could mess things up on specific ROMs.
I personally got black screens on my GT-I9305 in the combination of a specific theme used, Resurrection Remix (MM) and Xposed. Switching to a different theme (PitchBlack | DarkRed CM13/12), which was developed by a Resurrection Remix dev (Altan KRK (westcrip)), solved the issue. Another RC experienced and reported to have had issues related to themes when he tested CM12.1 and CM13.
On the other hand, e.g. some Sammy stock based Android 4.4.4 ROMs (e.g. AMCHA ROM, N4 ELITE, TGP, etc) even don't have a theme engine, and shouldn't make the above mentioned trouble.
As said, it depends on the used ROM! But if you experience issues I suggest at least to consider your theme to be possibly involved. Guess it's pretty easy to switch to the stock design, probably to reboot, and to check if the issue persists. However, I like to stress again, it depends on the used ROM!
Thanks to @[I]Wood Man[/I] who first pointed me to the solution to my above mentioned issue, and second who doesn't get tired in providing hints for this thread!
Tutorials, Help Threads & Guides
What is? Boot loader, custom ROMs, CWM, modem, kernel, flashing, rooting, ADB, baseband?? by @esimon311. Thanks to esimon311 for this great overview.:good:
[GUIDE] Most up to date guide on CPU governors, I/O schedulers and more! by @Saber. Thanks to Saber (formerly gsstudios) for this great guide.:good:
[Tutorial] How To Logcat by @paxChristos. Thanks to paxChristos for this great tutorial.:good:
[HELP THREAD][i9300][i9305] Ask any Question. Noob friendly. by @limjh16. Thanks to limjh16 for providing great support.:good:
[HELP THREAD] Galaxy S3 - Ask any question. by @tommypacker. Thanks to tommypacker for having set up this great help thread.:good:
[Q&A] to [INDEX] Samsung Galaxy S3 LTE - ROMs, Kernels, MODs, Recoveries, Themes established by the "QA bot".
[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap) by @v7. Thanks to v7 for having set up this great guide.:good:
Idle Battery Drain on Stock ROM (XPosed & Amplify Required!) by @Celestial Fury. Thanks to Celestial Fury for having set up this great guide.:good:
[HOW TO] Fix GPS location/locking to satellites issue by @Maho_66. Thanks to MaHo_66 for this great procedure.:good:
[GUIDE] SIM-unlock your i9305 by @西村大一, formerly known as "Alexander_the_B0ss". Thanks to 西村大一 for this useful guide.:good:
[GUIDE] [HOW TO] [FIX] MMS sending error on 5.1 to 7.1 AOSP and CM based ROMs by @alias_ z3d. Thanks to alias_z3d for this useful guide.:good:
How did I enhance the battery duration of my SGS 3 LTE (GT-I9305)? by me.
A short story by me how I installed microG and related application on my GApps-free device is available here.
If any of the above information has been of help for you please hit the thanks button in the respective OP!
Reports about Battery Life or Endurance
If you observe abnormal battery performance, duration or life from your point of view, please take and check battery statistics yourself!
Please do NOT post anything beforehand (e.g. in the Q&A thread)!
From my personal point of view, a recommendable application to check battery stats is “BetterBatteryStats” but there a lot of similiar apps available. The OP of “BetterBatteryStats” provides you with good information about wakelocks and battery life in general, too.
Take your stats for some hours or even better a few days (and nights). Try to figure out if wakelocks persist that are triggered by apps or processes. If you are able to identify e.g. such an app, try first yourself if the issue gets fixed by de-installation of such an app. Think about getting in touch with the app's developer.
ONLY if it’s finally ROM or kernel related, post in Q&A section or dev section but observe these prerequisites:
Battery stats screenshots, AND logs, AND as many details as possible.
Good battery endurance paired with a "smooth" system behaviour seems to be priority number one for everybody for obvious reasons. However, regularly nobody clearly defines what a good battery endurance or life means. Is it the 24+ hrs, which satisfies the one, but 16 hrs already the other? Discussions about the battery seem to continue just knowing the type of device and probably the ROM but ignore the overall system and especially personal behaviour and preferences of the device's owner.
Besides ROM and kernel, a lot of different things are obviously effecting the battery:
How do you use your phone? Heavy load gaming? Screen permanently on while staring on "grimacebook" or "whogivesa..."?
What are the application running on the device, and which have permission for auto-start at boot or to stay awake? Which and how many applications do run in the background, and are eating fuel?
Age, capacity, and type of the battery.
Mobile data always ON or not.
WiFi always ON or not.
Cell network coverage and reception.
Screen brightness level.
Abnormal wakelocks triggered by crappy apps.
etc. etc. etc.
Prior to a decision for a specific tariff plan, analysis of the consumer behaviour in regard to number, duration, network of calls, text messages, and data consumption is desired. In turn, evaluation of battery life appears to require a similar approach by assessing the topics stated in the list above. Literally, at least I personally deem to be unable to advice anybody else but me how good battery life is or how to improve it.
It's somehow useless for different users to compare or ask for battery life between ROMs / Kernels since we all have different behaviours, different ways to configure the phone, and different apps installed.
For completeness, I'd like to mention there're multiple applications and Xposed modules around, which are supposed to extend endurance of a battery, e.g. Greenify, Amplify, or Power Nap in order just to mention a few. A web search might drag you to the ones that are best suited to you, and you always need to evaluate for yourself if they serve the advertised purpose and your requirements. Be also aware that some of them require the Xposed framework to function or for full functionality. Some guides are linked at post#3. If interested in privacy I suggest to thoroughly read the reviews of the respective tool, have its point or country of origin in mind, and search the web. Nearly all are requesting root privileges and/or use the Xposed framework i.e. are going to have more or less unlimited access to your device. Good news are many of them are open source, and at least the ones I mentioned above don't require access to the internet to function. I'd personally ensure that they mustn't pass the firewall (e.g. AFWall+ by @ukanth or NetGuard by Marcel Bokhorst (@M66B).
(edited with the help of and thanks to @Wood Man):good:
EDIT (2016-10-11): In this thread, I tried to explain how I did enhance the battery duration of my SGS 3 LTE (GT-I9305); however, maybe it's also suitable to other devices (I'm convinced it is).
Possible WiFi Drops
@Wood Man allowed me to quote him reagrding WiFi drops that occured to him several times. It never happened to me because my setup was (just by accident) always different; however, if WiFi drops occur to you please have a look below. The explanation is so reasonable and makes so much sense from my point of view. Thanks very much to Wood Man for sharing his knowledge.
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Here is a feedback about an old issue I've reported about wifi drops: previous reports HERE and HERE.
I can say the problem is not the ROM neither the kernel. Everything is OK on your side rodman . The problem is just because I use Wi-Fi 2.4ghz and bluetooth at the same time. Since bluetooth uses the same 2.4 ghz frequency, it explains the problem: INTERFERENCES while streaming on both wifi and bluetooth at the same time!
It's a known and common issue with wireless devices. One culprit should be wifi or bluetooth drivers which not handle perfectly both connections at the same frequencies. Some devices well built, with good drivers, can handle this well AFAIK. It's never perfect because other sources of interferences exist.
One solution should be to use wifi 5ghz (if available on router, and device).
Another solution is to use better bluetooth devices which handle better bluetooth/wifi protocol, using the same frequency.
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About drainage, I don't know. But could be...
The interferences happen only while streaming. I mean we can connect both wifi 2.4 and bluetooth at the same time without problem, the connection stays, but inteferences happen only when sound goes to audio bluetooth device.
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Forgot to say that even if wifi 2.4 doesn't drop, the wifi transfer speed could very very slow in case of interferences with bluetooth streaming. (It's my case with my P9 Lite).
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UPDATE (2017-05-26): Please find some additional, new information of @Wood Man at post #59:
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I did a house moving recently and now I can use both Wifi 2,4 ghz and bluetooth at the same time without issues. The differences between my previous flat and my new one are:
1- A new router,
2- Less Wifi networks around me.
I bet point #2 above is the key because there are less interferences now in my flat ...
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Aminewolf said:
#Outoftopic
Feels good to give the freshly joined juniors a lesson on how to use the search function doesn't it
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Actually not; I don't want to appear as a schoolmaster. That's the reason why I decided to create this thread.
I already asked FLooDW, but I'm also looking forward to your opinion?
Hi @noc.jfcbs,
Thanks for your thread, your time, your recent contributions and credits you gave to me
This is a good idea, I really hope a lot of members will read and apply your recommendations.
As you requested my opinion, I've done some modifications in your OP here below within the HIDE tags. Maybe some more adjustments will be necessary, I don't know yet.
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Hi @noc.jfcbs,
Thanks for your thread, your time, your recent contributions and credits you gave to me
This is a good idea, I really hope a lot of members will read and apply your recommendations.
As you requested my opinion, I've done some modifications in your OP here below within the HIDE tags (sorry for XDA Labs users who will see the the whole modified OP). I will for sure update my post once the OP is modified (if you want to do so). Maybe some more adjustments will be necessary, I don't know yet. ...
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@[I]FLooDW[/I], your suggestion is at least 10x better than my (let's call it) initial draft. Thank you very much for taking your time and having a look. ...actually it was much more than that. I did appreciate it.
OP is modified and waiting for further adjustments. Guess you can update your post now. CU
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@[I]FLooDW[/I], your suggestion is at least 10x better than my (let's call it) initial draft. Thank you very much for taking your time and having a look. ...actually it was much more than that. I did appreciate it.
OP is modified and waiting for further adjustments. Guess you can update your post now. CU
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OK thanks for including my changes
My post is now edited.
Also, I've already added your thread in my signature
This is a very good thread, contribution and idea. The only problem to me is that it is in a secluded forum (quite) you may want to ask a moderator to move this to general forums or such.
Sent from my GT-I9305 using XDA Labs
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This is a very good thread, contribution and idea. The only problem to me is that it is in a secluded forum (quite) you may want to ask a moderator to move this to general forums or such.
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Yes I was thinking quite the same. I'm not sure this thread is at the right place. But in another hand I think it could be a good idea to keep it in dev forum because the purpose is to advertise members to post the right way in dev threads. It could be discussed
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Yes I was thinking quite the same. I'm not sure this thread is at the right place. But in another hand I think it could be a good idea to keep it in dev forum because the purpose is to advertise members to post the right way in dev threads. It could be discussed
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Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
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Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
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Well, good point
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However if we move this thread in Q&A section, I think it won't be read that much before newbies post in DEV forum... Even if it's pinned in Q&A section.
I really think it should be pinned in dev forum so newbies read before posting there, but it would also be inappropriate for dev forums...
Or it should go to general forum and pinned and linked to all dev forums. But then again if we link it some may not see (I'm guilty of this sometimes :silly: ) should I page a moderator? Or I think we should wait for noc.jfcbs to make his own decision
Sent from my GT-I9305 using XDA Labs
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I really think it should be pinned in dev forum so newbies read before posting there, but it would also be inappropriate for dev forums...
Or it should go to general forum and pinned and linked to all dev forums. But then again if we link it some may not see (I'm guilty of this sometimes :silly: ) should I page a moderator? Or I think we should wait for noc.jfcbs to make his own decision
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In any case we have to wait noc.jfcbs's point of view and then we'll ask a moderator.
@[I]FLooDW[/I], @limjh16: I've got to know both of you as very experienced and highly motivated Android enthusiasts in xda. Just looking at my joining date, I'm still a newbie on this site, and I personally rather take advice from guys with more experiences.
However, before I opened this thread I certainly thought of its right place, and I had all location you mentioned above under closer consideration but I finally decide to open the thread in the current forum for this reason: I remembered which the first forum was that I used when I initially came to xda. It wasn't any "general forum" or "Q&A" but the current one. I was in interested in ROM, kernel etc. for my specific device. Additionally, I thought if the thread doesn't fit here a mod is certainly going to move it to the right place.
Having followed your discussion I meanwhile believe the topic of this thread is much more generic and not at all related to a specific device and therefore should deserve a different location on xda. On the other hand, and that's a bit selfish, I'd like to support the forums and threads I'm used to mainly monitor by qualified posts of "newbies". Currently two hearts are beating in my breast; probably I'd rather be egoistic.
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@[I]FLooDW[/I], @limjh16: I've got to know both of you as very experienced and highly motivated Android enthusiasts in xda. Just looking at my joining date, I'm still a newbie on this site, and I personally rather take advice from guys with more experiences.
However, before I opened this thread I certainly thought of its right place, and I had all location you mentioned above under closer consideration but I finally decide to open the thread in the current forum for this reason: I remembered which the first forum was that I used when I initially came to xda. It wasn't any "general forum" or "Q&A" but the current one. I was in interested in ROM, kernel etc. for my specific device. Additionally, I thought if the thread doesn't fit here a mod is certainly going to move it to the right place.
Having followed your discussion I meanwhile believe the topic of this thread is much more generic and not at all related to a specific device and therefore should deserve a different location on xda. On the other hand, and that's a bit selfish, I'd like to support the forums and threads I'm used to mainly monitor by qualified posts of "newbies". Currently two hearts are beating in my breast; probably I'd rather be egoistic.
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in that case, do you think it will be a good idea to include this in every rom thread? I will definitely quote this OP in all my rom, kernel etc threads with your permission. And we can always page for rodman
Allow me to make a suggestion, even or although it might be, that this couldn't be implemented in the forum system. Because of the reason that the 10 post rule seems to be cancelled (?), what do you think about, when ever a new member is willing to post a comment in a dev thread, he would get a pop up with a link to your, will say this post. Or in that pop up the message is already included. It might be a bit strict, but its mentioned without offense. I can understand, that most of the people and new users, want to get an answer soon or even at once, to their individual questions or problems and this without doing something of themselves. They want it presented or spoon feeded (@FLooDW ). And this also a matter of our current life style , in my opinion. But on the other hand, for example you and FLooDW and several others are taking their time to find solutions, to answer again and again and individually and user friendly. Porters or devs, if they are not also and additionally answer regularly in their threads, are spending their time with the roms they provide. So I think, if you/we request a bit time from the other users, that would not only be fair. It would also show a kind or certain respect to the time and effort other users are spending to support the others in which way ever....
Beside of that I personally would appreciate and prefer that this thread would be pinned here in the dev section...
Just my thoughts....
I'm just going to go ahead and ping @Trafalgar Square
I have an idea (not a very good / original one) that there is a pinned post in dev section that links to this thread. Not exactly this thread goes onto every forum, more of the pinned post redirects here
or if possible, rodman 's suggestion
Alexander_the_B0ss said:
Let me give you my 2cents:
The thread, no doubt, is in the wrong forum, but it should be pinned and given the highest priority. It is so effin useful.
The idea behind it is so good. Really. It makes me jealous. I will try and formulate some examples for @noc.jfcbs to add to the OP to further help newbies.
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@Alexander_the_B0ss: I'm getting shyly by your kind words but looking forward to your highly appreciated advice and suggestions.