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Verizon LTE Band 4 Network 411380 live!!!

Just wanted to bring this to your awareness, Verizon's started to broadcast their AWS or Band 4 LTE network for testing purposes. If your Nexus 4 has old radio, put it in LTE Only mode, and manually search for networks.
If it shows up as 311480, please report here.
So far San Diego is live, although the user used another T-Mobile Band 4 capable LTE device to scan.

Cool but useless. There's no CDMA fall back for calling and text. So you'd have internet access and that's it. Stupid Verizon and their CDMA crap.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
Cool but useless. There's no CDMA fall back for calling and text. So you'd have internet access and that's it. Stupid Verizon and their CDMA crap.
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If Verizon's 2x20Mhz internet access capable of 100+Mbps is useless to you then be it...

But what's the point. I suppose you could use all the workarounds to do VoIP but normal calling and texting is a no go since there's no CDMA fall back. My point is Verizon is only half in. Not to mention that Verizon has very little band 4 holdings at all. but hey like I said it's cool that it works.
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This actually came up when I was searching through LTE in Chicago. I didn't know what that number was or meant

milan03 said:
If Verizon's 2x20Mhz internet access capable of 100+Mbps is useless to you then be it...
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Cool story and sounds great but a single line with a gig of data is hundred bucks sign me up

Ohgami_Ichiro said:
But what's the point. I suppose you could use all the workarounds to do VoIP but normal calling and texting is a no go since there's no CDMA fall back. My point is Verizon is only half in. Not to mention that Verizon has very little band 4 holdings at all. but hey like I said it's cool that it works.
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Verizon has nearly nationwide Band 4 spectrum holdings. Completely unused, just sitting there.
Way more than AT&T for example who's divested most of their licenses to T-Mobile as a breakup fee.
And also way more free, unused AWS (Band 4) than T-Mobile which has to keep and maintain 20Mhz chunks for their existing HSPA+42 network for at least 1-2years.
That said, east of Mississippi Verizon is deploying 2x20Mhz LTE that can push 150Mbps on Cat 4 equipment. Just saying...
West of Mississippi they're mostly 2x15Mbps capable of over 100Mbps, with some markets with 2x10Mhz.
To put that in the perspective for you, their current nationwide Band 13 LTE is 2x10Mhz which is currently twice the capacity of T-Mobile's live LTE in most of their markets (2x5Mhz).
The point is, you can have your existing device besides being a smartphone also acting as a Verizon MiFi, if you ever wish to get access to Verizon's new stupid fast network with no one on it...

Has anyone popped a LTE Verizon Sim in and tired to connect?
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IRX120 said:
Has anyone popped a LTE Verizon Sim in and tired to connect?
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I have a verizon gs4 as my dd. my nexus 4 is shipping, should be here friday. will test it when it gets here :laugh: :good:

rockingrubberducky said:
I have a verizon gs4 as my dd. my nexus 4 is shipping, should be here friday. will test it when it gets here :laugh: :good:
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What's the point? You'll only get data
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Smallsmx3 said:
What's the point? You'll only get data
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Why not?

Smallsmx3 said:
What's the point? You'll only get data
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hey, it's better than nothing. And testing things like that are fun, don't you think?

It's been widely reported that once they were done with their nationwide rollout of LTE later this year that they would then start using their band 4 aws holdings to fill in the holes and to augment their existing LTE service during peak loads.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ice-to-operate-on-the-carriers-aws-lte-bands/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ummer-start-selling-aws-friendly-phones-soon/

This is really awesome for people like me that only have Verizon's LTE in my area. If this could actually work, I'd switch to it, at least for a month; just to mess around with, and to blow people's minds when I tell them I have a GSM phone on Verizon's network (I know, not that impressive to the average XDA user, but to the ignorant masses, doing something like that is crazy).
The voice is no issue for me as I've used a tablet plan the past 2 months with a VoIP alternative.

The only problem is that Verizon only has pay-as-you-go 3G plans, you'd have to sign up for a regular LTE plan with a 2 year agreement and they are expensive. This might be an option for someone who's already a Verizon customer to try but not practical for most people.

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The only problem is that Verizon only has pay-as-you-go 3G plans, you'd have to sign up for a regular LTE plan with a 2 year agreement and they are expensive. This might be an option for someone who's already a Verizon customer to try but not practical for most people.
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Oh, well that's unfortunate. I guess I didn't even think about that. I suppose AT&T just enabled 4G on their prepaid network like last month. Dang it!
Oh well, I'm still gunna search for 4G in my area (flashing an old radio right now). If I find it, I'll see if my friend will let me try to pop his SIM into my phone and see if it could work in theory.

Johmama said:
Oh, well that's unfortunate. I guess I didn't even think about that. I suppose AT&T just enabled 4G on their prepaid network like last month. Dang it!
Oh well, I'm still gunna search for 4G in my area (flashing an old radio right now). If I find it, I'll see if my friend will let me try to pop his SIM into my phone and see if it could work in theory.
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AT&T always had the HSPA+ 4G on pre-paid and just added LTE. You still have to have an LTE plan and live in an area with AWS, Chicago will be mostly AWS as AT&T didn't have a lot of 700 MHz licenses in that area but that's one of the few places that you will find it.

You can still scan for Verizon's LTE on your Nexus even if you don't have their SIM. At least you'll know if your area has that option available. They're still in the very early stage of deployment, San Diego report is literally the very first report of Verizon's Band 4 network broadcasting.
They won't be deploying on Band 4 nationwide from the get go, it's gonna be metro areas with heavy traffic first, then building inside-out.
It will be data only since Nexus 4 doesn't have CDMA radios, but as I said earlier, it's beneficial to have this option if you ever need another carrier for data hotspot.
Oh, and if you have Verizon's LTE iPad for instance, that's a prepaid service, you can totally use that SIM on any other LTE capable device.

Welp, I don't have any Band IV in my area so that came a quick halt.
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AT&T always had the HSPA+ 4G on pre-paid and just added LTE. You still have to have an LTE plan and live in an area with AWS, Chicago will be mostly AWS as AT&T didn't have a lot of 700 MHz licenses in that area but that's one of the few places that you will find it.
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Yeah, I meant LTE when I said 4G, since HSPA+ isn't really 4G (actually, LTE doesn't even meet the 4G standard as set by the 3GPP, but that's a whole other discussion)
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Oh, and if you have Verizon's LTE iPad for instance, that's a prepaid service, you can totally use that SIM on any other LTE capable device.
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Do they offer LTE on any prepaid tablet plan? I keep trying to look around and can't find a definite yes or no; usually if they don't stick '4G LTE!!!!!!' at least 100 places on the page, they don't offer it. I can't find anything.

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Welp, I don't have any Band IV in my area so that came a quick halt.
Yeah, I meant LTE when I said 4G, since HSPA+ isn't really 4G (actually, LTE doesn't even meet the 4G standard as set by the 3GPP, but that's a whole other discussion)
Do they offer LTE on any prepaid tablet plan? I keep trying to look around and can't find a definite yes or no; usually if they don't stick '4G LTE!!!!!!' at least 100 places on the page, they don't offer it. I can't find anything.
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Yeah for the iPad 4 they offer month to month plans (I think, but it might only be hsdpa) and I believe they are LTE, but its like 30$ for 4gb shared
http://www.verizonwireless.com/wcms/consumer/explore/tablets.html
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[Q] Verizon Bands 4 & 13

Has anyone had issues with their Nexus 6 not wanting to stay on the stronger band? Using LTE Discovery I'll reset the radio, it will connect to band 13 usually between -90 and -94dBm, then after a couple of minutes it will jump to band 4 and sit at -105 to -108dBm. Is the phone making the decision to jump to band 4, or does the tower make that decision? I currently have the phone set to the LTE only mode, would I be better off in the Global mode?

You can leave the phone in global mode, and LTE discovery shows I am connected to band 13, and stay connected.

From what I have read band 4 is AWS aka XLTE . AWS is capable of higher speeds so I'm curious why would you want to switch to the slower band?

Because the slower band has poor reception.

I leave mine in global as when I am at home I cannot get band 4 and signal at my house is not good however when I am at work i'm on band 4 all day.

Omen87 said:
Because the slower band has poor reception.
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Do you mean better reception?

zetsumeikuro said:
Do you mean better reception?
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Haha, yes I did. Sorry about that.

Omen87 said:
Haha, yes I did. Sorry about that.
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Lol, I figured. Hope it works out for you!

Can I use a Verizon Note 4 on T-Mobile?

I'm thinking about switching to T-Mobile from Verizon and I just got the Note 4 so I would want to bring it with me. Would everything like LTE work fine on the T-Mobile network?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/verizon-note-4-t-mobile-network-t2916727

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/verizon-note-4-t-mobile-network-t2916727
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Thanks. I guess I should have done some research before posting.

con100 said:
I'm thinking about switching to T-Mobile from Verizon and I just got the Note 4 so I would want to bring it with me. Would everything like LTE work fine on the T-Mobile network?
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It won't give you LTE until tmobile activates their band 12 in your neighborhood

Dvanzutphenkann said:
It won't give you LTE until tmobile activates their band 12 in your neighborhood
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LTE Band 4 is enabled on Verizon phones as well. I've used many Verizon phones on T-Mobile.
Verizon GS5, Nokia Icon and the Sony Z3v all work and get LTE Band 4 on T-Mobile.

T-Mobile LTE signal

I just got the phone on Monday. With the original ROM and after taking several OTA updates, my LTE signal strength at home and at work was horrible. I'd get around -120 dBm and it would frequently change to HSPA and even EVDO.
One thing that I noticed is that on LTE, it was using band 4, which is 2100 MHz. On my Note 2, it always used band 14, which is 700 MHz. The lower frequency penetrates buildings better and gave me a better signal at work and home (not great, but useable).
I just updated to the latest T-Mobile ROM from the developer site. The LTE signal strength is a bit better at -116 dBm and so far, it isn't changing to HSPA or worse. However, it is still using band 4.
Does anyone know why my old phone used band 14 and this new phone uses band 4? I would think that the phone would use whichever band gave it the best signal, which would certainly be band 14. Is there any way to force this?
Thanks.

I didn't look up the Note 2's specs but I'd guess it didn't have band 4. What are you using to see your band? OpenSignal?

Powell730 said:
I didn't look up the Note 2's specs but I'd guess it didn't have band 4. What are you using to see your band? OpenSignal?
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I just looked up the specs on Wikipedia. It says that the T-Mobile version uses band 17, but I know that the phone said band 14 before I swapped SIMs.
Wikipedia says the Nexus 6 uses bands 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 7 / 12 / 13 / 17 / 25 / 26 / 29 / 41.
This is from the T-Mobile Support site: "TMO uses bands 2 and 4 on LTE/4G & 3G". Also from Support: "LTE band 4(1700/2100), 17(700)". I'm not sure what to believe, or what is in use around here. Like I said above, I know that the Note 2 said it was using band 14.
On the Nexus 6, I'm using an app called LTE Discovery.

T mobile only uses band 2,4,12 for LTE. The note 2 doesn't support band 12. I never heard of band 14.
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mojoehand said:
I just looked up the specs on Wikipedia. It says that the T-Mobile version uses band 17, but I know that the phone said band 14 before I swapped SIMs.
Wikipedia says the Nexus 6 uses bands 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 7 / 12 / 13 / 17 / 25 / 26 / 29 / 41.
This is from the T-Mobile Support site: "TMO uses bands 2 and 4 on LTE/4G & 3G". Also from Support: "LTE band 4(1700/2100), 17(700)". I'm not sure what to believe, or what is in use around here. Like I said above, I know that the Note 2 said it was using band 14.
On the Nexus 6, I'm using an app called LTE Discovery.
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I'm by no means an expert when it comes to bands/frequencies, however, if the app told you the Note 2 was on band 14, I think it was lying to you. I'm pretty sure there isn't even a band 14 in the U.S., and almost positive T-Mobile does not run LTE on that band.

When (if) band 12 reaches your neighborhood receiption indoors should improve drastically. On band 4 I usually get -109 to -101 dBm. On band 12 I get around -89 to -94 dBm.

I have tried different ROMs and different radio modems. Nothing I do gets me a decent signal. Very occasionally I have had a moderately strong LTE signal, but even then, the download speed is only usable and the upload speed sucks.
The phone doesn't stay on LTE for long. It switched to HSPA and even EVDO most of the time. On HSPA, my old Note 2 got at least 2 Mb downloads. This N6 can't even get a kilobyte down on HSPA.
I don't know if it really affects things, but I read some comments that a bad SIM could possibly cause this. Is this true? If so, I'll drop by the T-Mobile store again and ask them to try another SIM.
I love the phone for the big screen and other features, but I really can't live with this lousy data connection. If I can't get this resolved, I'll have to return the N6 and buy another phone.
I might consider a Note 5 if I have to. It only has a 5.7 inch screen, but my Note 2 had a 5.5 incher. I don't really use the pen and the price premium is high, but I don't know what other phones have a 5.7-6 inch display, except for some Chinese phones. I don't know if they are any good, or if I could use them on T-Mobile.
Call me frustrated.

have you verified apn settings? mine needed a few changes. band 12 should be rolling out soon. i saw it for a day here in portland and service was amazing. can't wait!

nigelorion said:
have you verified apn settings? mine needed a few changes. band 12 should be rolling out soon. i saw it for a day here in portland and service was amazing. can't wait!
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Anyway to see where band 12 is going live?
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Powell730 said:
Anyway to see where band 12 is going live?
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not sure. saw a few people on reddit mentioning they had seen it in my area. i have been using an app called lte discovery to check what band i am on. 12 only popped up once and haven't seen it since.

mojoehand said:
I have tried different ROMs and different radio modems. Nothing I do gets me a decent signal. Very occasionally I have had a moderately strong LTE signal, but even then, the download speed is only usable and the upload speed sucks.
The phone doesn't stay on LTE for long. It switched to HSPA and even EVDO most of the time. On HSPA, my old Note 2 got at least 2 Mb downloads. This N6 can't even get a kilobyte down on HSPA.
I don't know if it really affects things, but I read some comments that a bad SIM could possibly cause this. Is this true? If so, I'll drop by the T-Mobile store again and ask them to try another SIM.
I love the phone for the big screen and other features, but I really can't live with this lousy data connection. If I can't get this resolved, I'll have to return the N6 and buy another phone.
I might consider a Note 5 if I have to. It only has a 5.7 inch screen, but my Note 2 had a 5.5 incher. I don't really use the pen and the price premium is high, but I don't know what other phones have a 5.7-6 inch display, except for some Chinese phones. I don't know if they are any good, or if I could use them on T-Mobile.
Call me frustrated.
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Are you sure that you're on T-Mobile? EVDO is CDMA network and T-Mobile is GSM...
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BigDig said:
Are you sure that you're on T-Mobile? EVDO is CDMA network and T-Mobile is GSM...
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Yes, I am on T-Mobile. I meant Edge, not EVDO. Too many acronyms.
I just got home and even though the phone is currently showing three bars on LTE, the signal level is only -118 dBm, which isn't good. Speed test won't even do 1/2 Mb/s on download. This is pathetic.
As much as I otherwise like this phone, I can't live with this lousy signal issue. Unless someone knows of a fix, I will have to return the phone to Amazon. As I said, I have tried different ROMS and modems. I have also tried changing various settings that others have suggested (clearing cache, APN settings, etc.). I don't know what else to do.

mojoehand said:
Yes, I am on T-Mobile. I meant Edge, not EVDO. Too many acronyms.
I just got home and even though the phone is currently showing three bars on LTE, the signal level is only -118 dBm, which isn't good. Speed test won't even do 1/2 Mb/s on download. This is pathetic.
As much as I otherwise like this phone, I can't live with this lousy signal issue. Unless someone knows of a fix, I will have to return the phone to Amazon. As I said, I have tried different ROMS and modems. I have also tried changing various settings that others have suggested (clearing cache, APN settings, etc.). I don't know what else to do.
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Have you tried calling tmobile and trouble shooting with them?

Andromendous said:
Have you tried calling tmobile and trouble shooting with them?
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Yes, I've been to the store.

mojoehand said:
Yes, I've been to the store.
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Call and speak to tech support. Most people in the store don't know what there doing.
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Yes, I've been to the store.
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Or chat with t force on twitter. I have had great success with them. They're awesome.
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Because of the choppy voice calls, as well as the lousy data connection, I am returning this phone and getting a Note 5. Although it is my personal phone, I also need a reliable phone for when I am on call at work.
I have spent all week on this and can't waste any more time. I need something that works. My Note 2 was reliable. I hope the Note 5 will be also.
Thanks to all for suggestions.

I too am having LTE data connection issues on LYZ28K. Anyone on LMY48M having data issues? I tried setting phone info to "LTE only", but that didn't help. I don't need wifi calling, so I'm wondering if I should switch to LMY48M?

mi max 2 4g on Att?

believe it or not, i recently was able to get 4G on ATT Network.
i am with Rogers Canada , i always have 4 g there, when in the States i use Cricket, and when in a bigger City i am getting 4g as well....So happy, didn't work before with Xiaomi mi max 1

That must be band 5 working for you! Good to hear.

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That must be band 5 working for you! Good to hear.
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must be...getting it only in larger Citys

Good to hear. My mi max 2 should arrive on wednesday and since I'm on att I can test it out as well. I'm hoping I have similar luck.
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Also, could you tell us what city you were able to get 4G in?

ikecomp said:
Good to hear. My mi max 2 should arrive on wednesday and since I'm on att I can test it out as well. I'm hoping I have similar luck.
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Also, could you tell us what city you were able to get 4G in?
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In all the large Citys i have been into recently.... Seattle, Portland, LA, SLC, Detroit. I am a long distance trucker covering all of the U.S and Canada......i can send some Screenshots but i dont know how to upload here. i never had to...

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In all the large Citys i have been into recently.... Seattle, Portland, LA, SLC, Detroit. I am a long distance trucker covering all of the U.S and Canada......i can send some Screenshots but i dont know how to upload here. i never had to...
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Ok, thx. I get my phone tomorrow so I can confirm what type of service I get around the Philly area.

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Ok, thx. I get my phone tomorrow so I can confirm what type of service I get around the Philly area.
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please let me know- if you dont see 4g, do a manual network search and pick ATT 4g....that did the trick for me....

I don't have the Mi Max 2, but the Zenfone 3 Ultra which has similar bands. I lack all the LTE Bands except for Band 5. I can confirm that in all major cities I have been to I get LTE through band 5. Heck, even in my city which is only about 300,000 strong I get 4G/LTE in half of it. Seems like AT&T is really ramping up their band 5 LTE service.

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I don't have the Mi Max 2, but the Zenfone 3 Ultra which has similar bands. I lack all the LTE Bands except for Band 5. I can confirm that in all major cities I have been to I get LTE through band 5. Heck, even in my city which is only about 300,000 strong I get 4G/LTE in half of it. Seems like AT&T is really ramping up their band 5 LTE service.
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Thanks for sharing the info. I looked up your phone and if you have the global version it appears you have more LTE bands available than the Mi Max 2. Namely bands 2,4 and 17. While ATT does provide LTE for band 5 I won't get my hopes too much for LTE. As long as I can get strong HSPA+ that's enough for my needs

ikecomp said:
Thanks for sharing the info. I looked up your phone and if you have the global version it appears you have more LTE bands available than the Mi Max 2. Namely bands 2,4 and 17. While ATT does provide LTE for band 5 I won't get my hopes too much for LTE. As long as I can get strong HSPA+ that's enough for my needs
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I think you were looking up the specs of the Zenfone 3 Deluxe, not the Ultra. There is no version of the Ultra that has bands 2,4, and 17. Trust me I'd buy it if they did.
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-3-Ultra-ZU680KL/Tech-Specs/

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I think you were looking up the specs of the Zenfone 3 Deluxe, not the Ultra. There is no version of the Ultra that has bands 2,4, and 17. Trust me I'd buy it if they did.
https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-3-Ultra-ZU680KL/Tech-Specs/
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Looks like you're right. I should've checked the asus site instead of the 3rd party sites below. Lesson learned
http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_365529.html
https://www.frequencycheck.com/mode...l-sim-global-td-lte-64gb-zu680kl-asus-mercury
At any rate, got the phone today so I should be able to test tonight!

Finally got some time to set it up. I can confirm 4G (HSPA+) in South Jersey. Hopefully, I can go to philly this weekend to test for LTE connectivity.

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Finally got some time to set it up. I can confirm 4G (HSPA+) in South Jersey. Hopefully, I can go to philly this weekend to test for LTE connectivity.
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Does it say 4G or H+ as the indicator? If it says 4G then you are getting LTE already. The international phones say 4G and the american phones say LTE.

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Does it say 4G or H+ as the indicator? If it says 4G then you are getting LTE already. The international phones say 4G and the american phones say LTE.
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I myself get 4g in larger Citys in the U.S, in Canada with Rogers Wireless also. Mexico gives me 4 G with Celtel

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Does it say 4G or H+ as the indicator? If it says 4G then you are getting LTE already. The international phones say 4G and the american phones say LTE.
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For me, it says H+. However, I haven't had a chance to go to the city yet. I would say though that my nexus 6p gets LTE in the primary area I use it in but when I switch the sim card into the mi max 2 it only gets H+ in this area.

ikecomp said:
For me, it says H+. However, I haven't had a chance to go to the city yet. I would say though that my nexus 6p gets LTE in the primary area I use it in but when I switch the sim card into the mi max 2 it only gets H+ in this area.
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right now i am travelling on I -94 Wisconsin- Minnesota- North Dakota, and most of the time my indicator tells me 4g....

Sorry to bump an old thread but I was in Texas last week and I picked up 4G in San Antonio.
Also back in Illinois I am picking up 4G here. This started after the last phone update.

Yeah Band 5 is nicely saturated where I live so I can't complain

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