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Hi frendz.
I dont know that this is propper section for help or not.
I m planning to buy spice mi410.
But want to sure about camera quality.
Can somebody post original pics taken from ur camara ? In day and night, with flash, without flash etc.
Hope i will get it soon.
Also any cheap online deal in india for mi410 ?
RohanAJoshi said:
Hi frendz.
I dont know that this is propper section for help or not.
I m planning to buy spice mi410.
But want to sure about camera quality.
Can somebody post original pics taken from ur camara ? In day and night, with flash, without flash etc.
Hope i will get it soon.
Also any cheap online deal in india for mi410 ?
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if ur specific about the camera then even though it is 5Mpik its not great
sorry i dont have the time to take piks but its not great and dont expect great piks for the same.But u can go to lowyat.net site some one has loaded the piks as requested by u
ok
see this piks given at lowyat
out door : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=304167336265062&l=7693dd9b24
indoor : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=309031135778682&l=36948e7a25
this is given by pip_x of lowyat forum thanks and credit to him
The camera quality is not good even in day light, forget about night and more over the camera has a problem, after some time it gets some hitch and you need to go to service center, so know all these points before hand and then plan to purchase it.
paarkhi said:
The camera quality is not good even in day light, forget about night and more over the camera has a problem, after some time it gets some hitch and you need to go to service center, so know all these points before hand and then plan to purchase it.
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realy ?
all models have this problem ? ie i need to go to service center.
and i checked video from igyaan.in about video quality and camera samples, and see its good, not betterm but good for normal photoshoot.
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plz, can u upload just one sample pic ?
ok, finaly got this
http://www.pinoytechblog.com/archives/cherry-mobile-magnum-hd-review
this have bunch of pics taken from magnum hd which is same as mi410.
so guys, now just confirm me that magnum hd and mi410 are same phone ?
means i get same camera quality as magnum hd ?
I m satisfied with pics posted in above review.
just confirm me, also issue posted paarkhi bro, is happening every mi410 ?
i m planning to nuy from saholic at 13k.
bro i can say this 5mp is not good..
bad noise reductions + bad contrast capturing..
also the pics taken atm night or day looked washed out with colours on the poor display.. as its not bright & crisp as my sgs2 superamold..
but the cam is ok with third party cam apps like camera 360 ultimate which i use for daily myself..
& results..
daylight-awesome with hdr light & enchancment modes.. you can try others too..( daylight & heavy light results are awesome )
night or places with bad light - there you can use night mode ( but if you are'nt still satisfied this is much a smartphone can do.. ) i iknow these results with modes in night or bad light are not good at best but ok.. you can compress these pics to smaller size ( reso. ) to get more sharpness & clearity it pc easily ( use microsoft picture manager or i forgot the name¿ )
& the thing about cam hardware failure after some days is only prob. with stock or stock build based roms. actually its a bug in our stock builds which make some bad log files to conflict hardware, this can easily be fixed by wiping user data & cache by cwm.. ( which is not difficult )
the cust. care people do the same trick & then install their buggy stock rom to fix.. it
no cam failiure prob. with miui or cm7, once you reverted accuratley
as you seen the samples from above posts that they are not bad either.. i will not force you but still you can't everything in 13k & that also in a smartphone..
one more prob. is dust under screen which you might face..
but this best at 13k again.. don't buy defy as it got poor gpu & support for games.. although defy cam. is good.
best cam. yet in all samartphones is xperia ray 8mp at 18k which can beat iphone 4s & sgs2 ... or you should go for that if you take cam. as a criteria only..
good luck
Realy thanx nitindeck.
what to u actualy mean by dust under screen ?
means dust from external air will go inside of phone ?
this means bad manufacturing, ryt ?
and how to avoid this ?
if dust go in, how clean it ?
can we remove body and clean out dust ?
I m ordering today.
paarkhi said:
The camera quality is not good even in day light, forget about night and more over the camera has a problem, after some time it gets some hitch and you need to go to service center, so know all these points before hand and then plan to purchase it.
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just to add on the same.If u want this phone for the Camera features then dont look at it the cam is not great.Frankly speaking i dont care about the cam as i have a good camera and i use it for all my req photography and my personal feeling is the cam is just a feature and this is made more for the phone function than the cam function
so once again if camera is ur main thing then look at other Brands like HTC samsung , Sony ETC... and these phone with the same features as this phone may be better would cost double the cost of this phone to my knowledge
I m getting Xperia Neo 8mp at 17k, should i go with that ?
and also please confirm that the sure dust problem will happen..
in this photo's resolution is low because of facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...10348954.21568.100002849168556&type=3&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...10348954.21568.100002849168556&type=3&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...10348954.21568.100002849168556&type=3&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...10348954.21568.100002849168556&type=3&theater
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...10348954.21568.100002849168556&type=3&theater
and i don't have dust problem till now.
video sample of front camera.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=132743856830586
i got my note last week and have playing with it and loved it...i previously have s2 but since i saw note in the mall...i have fallen in love with it
but somethings bothering me..
before i take a pic ...it was clear perhaps hd but after taking the picture and
i look the the gallery ... the pictue look maybe a little dark...or dim
maybe a setting will fix this ?
and lag in waking up? about 2-3 ?
thx for the help pips
I think this is the nature of this camera. When we try shoot a pic the visual which we see in display is before image processing after click image sensor do some modification to the image and it delivers to gallery. So probably this is not a defect or problem... its designed like that..and i don't think samsung phones are known for good quality shooter. No offense.
are you using the stock camera? i have noticed that other camera apps works much better compared to the stock one, my favorite is camera zoom fx, paid app though, for me it gives better pictures compared to the stock one. there are plenty of good free ones out there too. have a look around the play store =]
It's a brightness difference. When you load the stock camera the phone brightness goes really high (you can even make it brighter by switching outdoor visibility on). After taking a picture and going to gallery, you're screen goes back to original brightness that's why it looks dim/blurred but it's not.
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are you using the stock camera? i have noticed that other camera apps works much better compared to the stock one, my favorite is camera zoom fx, paid app though, for me it gives better pictures compared to the stock one. there are plenty of good free ones out there too. have a look around the play store =]
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You are right.. Stock camera app is little bad.. Evn though if we are using another good app finally lens and image sensor matters.. I don't think samy is using better lens than Carl zies or something. I would say samy and HTC are little poor compared to nokia's and son's lens (of thinking they both use same lenses). This is upto my knowledge.. Correct me if am wrong.
Hi, I don't often take panoramic pictures... but recently I've been using panaroid android rom and the stock camera is not as good as i would think especially comparing to what samsung stock has.
So I was wondering what do people recommendo for panorama pictures. Take in noticed i've tried photaf, panorama camera 360, procapture, and a whole bunch...
If you guys know if there is one that like the samsung stock app automatically takes the pictures and calibrate them you know it shows the green mark... since all of the rest although are really good taking the pic is kinda hard for me since I suffer from early parkinsons... and since the holidays are coming i know im going to take a lot of panorama shots.
Any help would be appreciated.
I Just got my Xperia T and wanted to compare the image quality to my HTC One X I'm getting rid of (God awful phone by the way)
These pictures are in no way 'the best' the camera can do I'm sure and I hardly used a good subject... in fact it was just what was in the corner of my room
All pictures however were taken now (11:10pm ish) in a fairly dullish room so all had to use the flash feature.
See for yourself
oi46.tinypic.com/2qj8xfb.jpg (Add the usual http part!)
^^ I had to do it like that as it wont let me post a link, so I do apologise to any forum admin I'm not doing it to break the rules.. sorry!
Excellent shoot. Xperia T's camera definitely has a greater contrast.. which is the most noticeable thing that popped out to me. The shadows were darker, etc.
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Excellent shoot. Xperia T's camera definitely has a greater contrast.. which is the most noticeable thing that popped out to me. The shadows were darker, etc.
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It also picked up the varnish shine effect that the cabinet has where the HTC one x made it look dull. So far I'm very impressed with the Xperia t,for once I'm using the stock keyboard as its actually very good. Normally I install swiftkey but not this time.
I have both phones aswell and SXT has the far better camera and video and video sound quality too and I like the fact that the videos arent so zoomed in like on the hox, htc really need to do something about that because it is a horrible feature.
I like my HOX but seriously Tegra 3 really lets it down, phone has a tendancy to be zippy fast one minute then snail slow and laggy the next and not to mention it overheats like crazy when playing games or on the internet for even three mins which my sxt doesn't
How fast does your xperia t take shots, i came from a gs3 that was lightning quick at taking pics. I get some amazing pics with the xperia t, but sometimes it just seems sluggish at focusing if at all. Would you mind sharing detailed camera settings for everyday use so we can get the best out of the Xperia Ts Camera?
Thanks
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How fast does your xperia t take shots, i came from a gs3 that was lightning quick at taking pics. I get some amazing pics with the xperia t, but sometimes it just seems sluggish at focusing if at all. Would you mind sharing detailed camera settings for everyday use so we can get the best out of the Xperia Ts Camera?
Thanks
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I have the stock settings only got my phone yesterday. When I press the capture button it takes about 0.5 to 1 seconds for the picture to flash in the gallery icon in the bottom right.
I always have my camera in normal mode as opposed to auto scene mode because auto scene mode it is too slow to focus and I use touch focus instead of auto focus.
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I always have my camera in normal mode as opposed to auto scene mode because auto scene mode it is too slow to focus and I use touch focus instead of auto focus.
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The scene selection seems to take a while. I leave mine in normal mode but let auto-focus do its thing and select a specific scene mode (landscape, sports mainly) when needed. I only use touch focus when I want to focus on a particular area of the shot I'm taking.
If I helped, hit Thanks!
I left mine in auto for everything
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I have both phones aswell and SXT has the far better camera and video and video sound quality too and I like the fact that the videos arent so zoomed in like on the hox, htc really need to do something about that because it is a horrible feature.
I like my HOX but seriously Tegra 3 really lets it down, phone has a tendancy to be zippy fast one minute then snail slow and laggy the next and not to mention it overheats like crazy when playing games or on the internet for even three mins which my sxt doesn't
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That's the problem with all the Tegra devices. I refuse to buy one again
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today my focus froze completely when trying to take a picture of some christmas lights, I had to exit the camera and go back into it before it focused and btw that time the lights went off. This is kinda the same issue i had with the xperia s but the s was worse. Please, please, please SONY just stop it. why cant the camera focus straight away like on the HOX or SGS3 for example.
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weebnuts said:
That's the problem with all the Tegra devices. I refuse to buy one again
Sent from my LT29i using xda premium
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Please believe, same here never ever again!
Unfortunately Xperia T is not the leader in good quality pictures. I would say my T makes awful pictures!! I have it now for a few weeks and I am really really disappointed in photo quality by my new Xperia. I had Samsung Galaxy SII before but I didn't like it due to network signal problems so I sold it after a few weeks and I decided to go for Xperia T. S2 was making way better pictures than Xperia T does. I wanted to by S3 but I didn't like the week network signal in S2 and I have used Sony Ericsson for many years before so I picked Xperia T. I was very disappointed when I noticed after my first shot how noisy it was. It is hard to catch focus, many pictures are blurred. Making a shot in bright sun is fine. But as soon as You will get inside and use a lamp as a light sources even with LED light it will be hard to make a nice clear shot. I had SE Satio before and it was making much better pictures. I also compared shots in the same room and lighting with my friend's Galaxy S3 and Samsung was making much better pictures without that much noise. So If you are looking for a good camera with your smartphone Xperia T might not be the best call.
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Unfortunately Xperia T is not the leader in good quality pictures. I would say my T makes awful pictures!! I have it now for a few weeks and I am really really disappointed in photo quality by my new Xperia. I had Samsung Galaxy SII before but I didn't like it due to network signal problems so I sold it after a few weeks and I decided to go for Xperia T. S2 was making way better pictures than Xperia T does. I wanted to by S3 but I didn't like the week network signal in S2 and I have used Sony Ericsson for many years before so I picked Xperia T. I was very disappointed when I noticed after my first shot how noisy it was. It is hard to catch focus, many pictures are blurred. Making a shot in bright sun is fine. But as soon as You will get inside and use a lamp as a light sources even with LED light it will be hard to make a nice clear shot. I had SE Satio before and it was making much better pictures. I also compared shots in the same room and lighting with my friend's Galaxy S3 and Samsung was making much better pictures without that much noise. So If you are looking for a good camera with your smartphone Xperia T might not be the best call.
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Yeah coming from a Nokia N8 I have to agree that the image quality is just not to the standard I've been used to. I got camera zoom fx app but even with uncompressed images @ 12.8mp there is far too much noise in low level lighting. There is a mod you can get that will probably give you a real uncompressed JPG but as far as taking a decent shot without any motion blur it's almost impossible..The Video capture on the other hand is good.
I may have to wait a bit before trying this mod out as need to root the phone. Personally I would prefer if Sony wouldn't handicap the camera quality as the images are re-sized for sharing online.. The phone can store 14gig plus 32 gig of expanded memory.
IMHO if you want good camera hardware in a phone go for the Nokia 808 or the 920.
Irrespective of operating system. If you want a good photo you need good hardware and I never needed to buy extra software with Symbian to get a good shot every time I used the camera on the N8.
I don't know why Sony made such a poor quality camera/pictures. I am not sure where the problem is - is it the hardware or software, but pictures out of Xperia T are barely usable. I can compare pictures to old but good Sony Ericsson C902. Compared to Galaxy S3 Samsung makes much better pictures. If camera would be better T would be the best phone. For a plus is that videos are quite decent.
And most of the tests show the opposite as well as many other users say the oppostite too.
Another thread in loop. One likes this, another one likes that.
Truth is, that the image stabiliser needs to be turned on, to make not blurry photos in low light conditions. Noise is normal on this kind of cameras. If another phone has no noise, then it's only post processing.
Btw. this camera is perfect scanner of documents, even in low light conditions. It proved to be very useful for me.
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Another thread in loop. One likes this, another one likes that.
Truth is, that the image stabiliser needs to be turned on, to make not blurry photos in low light conditions. Noise is normal on this kind of cameras. If another phone has no noise, then it's only post processing.
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But the stabiliser is a digital stabiliser right ? Do you know how does it work for pictures ?
edit : by taking multiple picture and keeping the sharpest one a suppose
So the image stabilizer is most likely "off" with the auto setting ? Why they don't choose to keep it "on" if its better ?
I also have been surprised by how much chroma noise the pictures have.
So maybe Sony just made the choice to apply less chroma noise reduction than its competitor. (but having chroma noise at lowest iso setting feel weird for sure)
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(but having chroma noise at lowest iso setting feel weird for sure)
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Just a prove that it's not possible to make photo without noise in low light conditions with this optics. ISO is not everything.
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But the stabiliser is a digital stabiliser right ? Do you know how does it work for pictures ?
edit : by taking multiple picture and keeping the sharpest one a suppose
So the image stabilizer is most likely "off" with the auto setting ? Why they don't choose to keep it "on" if its better ?
I also have been surprised by how much chroma noise the pictures have.
So maybe Sony just made the choice to apply less chroma noise reduction than its competitor. (but having chroma noise at lowest iso setting feel weird for sure)
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Not sure about the xperia t, but on my sgs3 when i turn on image stabilization all it really does is increase the iso therefore producing a faster shutter speed...which is what you want to prevent blur. The exif data of each photo shows this.
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Camera questions
Hi all,
New to the Xperia T and, more importantly, new to XDA. This is my first personal smartphone!
I got the Sony as I wanted a smartphone, but I wanted one that takes good photos, as I cannot take my dSLR everywhere.
A
In the default app, can you change jpeg compression? it is reported to be very high
What app do people use?
Image compression - can you set the shutter button open a different app?
B
Why do some reviews show that you can change the ISO, whilst others report you cannot?
Is this option "lost" in an update, ie has Sony removed it?
Thanks for your help!
icstm
Right now to find where to ask the idot's questions of - i)how do you stop free apps installing their advertising engines, or at least access the same information that you permit the app to access - ii)apart from allowing you to tinker what is the benefit of rooting (which I assme means gaining admin access df. unix) iii)what are the additional features on the xperia t of the popular customer ROMS
Hi all,
Hoping someone can help please. Just took delivery of my z1 and the pictures look absolutely terrible. It's current set to superior auto but every photo looks so grainy on screen. Anyone else experiencing similar issues?
mbath said:
Hi all,
Hoping someone can help please. Just took delivery of my z1 and the pictures look absolutely terrible. It's current set to superior auto but every photo looks so grainy on screen. Anyone else experiencing similar issues?
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Yes, I'm less than impressed with mine - certainly nowhere near dslr level as they were touted. I get a lot of noise on mine and they are over exposed.
If you manually focus with camera button then take pic, results are somewhat better but still disappointing.
Could you please post some of the pics you've taken please? The reason I got rid of my LG Optimus G was because of the subpar camera, been waiting for the Z1, so I'd hope it's not a lateral move on the camera front
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Yes, I'm less than impressed with mine - certainly nowhere near dslr level as they were touted. I get a lot of noise on mine and they are over exposed.
If you manually focus with camera button then take pic, results are somewhat better but still disappointing.
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Any idea if it could be fixed with some sort of software update? Proper gutted first time I've moved away from ios since the first iPhone
mbath said:
Any idea if it could be fixed with some sort of software update? Proper gutted first time I've moved away from ios since the first iPhone
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Yeah they had the same issues with the Z Ultra! They'll fix them after a software update!
I agree photos not great but potential there. Just need Sony to update firmware asap
See samples here on my blog. More tomorrow http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/sony-xperia-z1-mega-review-and-qx10/
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
mbath said:
Hi all,
Hoping someone can help please. Just took delivery of my z1 and the pictures look absolutely terrible. It's current set to superior auto but every photo looks so grainy on screen. Anyone else experiencing similar issues?
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yeah same here...photos appear washed out in low light..also a lot of purple grains appear when attempting to take a photo in low light...for a flagship device which touts camera as its biggest selling point z1 is a massive disappointment...also the microphone did not work for me while connecting the phone to a headphone without a mike...ill be going to sony service centre on monday...hopefully they'll replace my unit..will update whether the other unit's camera is better...
Guys, do we have any informed update about the camera low quality issue? Is it an early release issue which will be fixed by an update or should I return my phone and get another one in a couple of months?
Please share your input because I am really skeptic about this otherwise excellent device.
Use Manual mode with Night setting
I've come across a lot of people complaining about the camera not giving out noise-free images like it's supposed to. The trick is to use manual mode. I agree, if you use Superior Auto mode, it's a miss most of the times, and when it does work, it gives a purple-ish tint at the corners.
However, If you use manual mode and select the SCENE to NIGHT, the images come out amazing and noise-free!
[DO NOT JUDGE THE IMAGE BY WHAT THE VIEWFINDER SHOWS YOU. A lot of things happen when you press the shutter button. The viewfinder simply goes red for making it easy to focus. The final image in the gallery is a hundred times better]
The Scene modes are one of the most commonly ignored settings.
I hope this helps!
Sorry. Most people just want to use auto mode and haven't got time to fiddle here and there.
The scenes help but they are not the cure in that the underlying problem of poor quality is there. I wonder if people who post either are using a different software version, or are being paid by Sony to post positive remarks.
Nor is it acceptable that we should resort to using alternative camera apps. This phone cost £600 or up to.
It should work as advertised on the tin.
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Did anyone face auto-focus issues? Sometimes the camera stuggles to auo focus..
No focus issues on mine, just horrible, grainy images. really really unimpressed with the camera. If this is a firmware issue then I am really unimpressed that they saw fit to release it in this state.
Example's here - note the complete lack of any detail, the grainy over compressed background. Zoom in slightly and see the over sharpening that has been done, the bike frame goes jagged.
The camera was one of the reasons I bought this phone, and in its current state, I declare it 'unusable'
My old GT-N7000 Galaxy Note 1 took way better photo's
Poor Poor Poor! Shame on you, Sony!
http://scratch.veletron.com/z1
Nigel
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No focus issues on mine, just horrible, grainy images. really really unimpressed with the camera. If this is a firmware issue then I am really unimpressed that they saw fit to release it in this state.
Example's here - note the complete lack of any detail, the grainy over compressed background. Zoom in slightly and see the over sharpening that has been done, the bike frame goes jagged.
The camera was one of the reasons I bought this phone, and in its current state, I declare it 'unusable'
My old GT-N7000 Galaxy Note 1 took way better photo's
Poor Poor Poor! Shame on you, Sony!
http://scratch.veletron.com/z1
Nigel
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Hi Nigel,
I appreciate your frustrations. I have just moved onto the Z1 after holding onto my old but trust worthy Galaxy S2 and after the expense and hype surrounding the release feel let down by the camera as well. Suggestions seem that issues may be resolved once further firmware updates come about, not sure how soon these will happen though.
Anyhow off to take some crappy photos sine it's nice in Stirling today lol!
You up my way (stirling) too then? Be sure to stick some of said crappy photos online so the fanboi's cannae keep sticking their heads in the sand and claiming that the camera is good!
Nigel
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9984408866/in/photostream/
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No focus issues on mine, just horrible, grainy images. really really unimpressed with the camera. If this is a firmware issue then I am really unimpressed that they saw fit to release it in this state.
Example's here - note the complete lack of any detail, the grainy over compressed background. Zoom in slightly and see the over sharpening that has been done, the bike frame goes jagged.
The camera was one of the reasons I bought this phone, and in its current state, I declare it 'unusable'
My old GT-N7000 Galaxy Note 1 took way better photo's
Poor Poor Poor! Shame on you, Sony!
http://scratch.veletron.com/z1
Nigel
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You up my way (stirling) too then? Be sure to stick some of said crappy photos online so the fanboi's cannae keep sticking their heads in the sand and claiming that the camera is good!
Nigel
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Yep sure am pal, we should start a Z1 photo shoot course one evening lol! Got to say pictures taken with the link above are not looking too bad tho
veletron said:
No focus issues on mine, just horrible, grainy images. really really unimpressed with the camera. If this is a firmware issue then I am really unimpressed that they saw fit to release it in this state.
Example's here - note the complete lack of any detail, the grainy over compressed background. Zoom in slightly and see the over sharpening that has been done, the bike frame goes jagged.
The camera was one of the reasons I bought this phone, and in its current state, I declare it 'unusable'
My old GT-N7000 Galaxy Note 1 took way better photo's
Poor Poor Poor! Shame on you, Sony!
http://scratch.veletron.com/z1
Nigel
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you are fooling nobody - I looked at the properties of your samples, perhaps an explanation is now required - idiot
didn't you know every image taken with a camera has embedded properties lol
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LMFAO
Confused. Com lol? Take it the pictures posted Nigel by the other user were not via the Z1? Waste of a post then and why?!
http://scratch.veletron.com/ebay/P1010314.JPG
something just not quite right about our poster Nigel lol
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I said the photos in http://scratch.veletron.com/z1 are my examples of the Z1, not in any other folder on that site. Go look at the properties in the files in http://scratch.veletron.com/z1 and you will see 'C6903' as the camera model.
Some numpty then went and picked up some pics from some ancient ebay auctions on the same site, and claimed that I reckoned these were taken by the Z1. Know your facts Geoffxx !! You are making yourself look like a right amateur!
Since taking the pics in http://scratch.veletron.com/z1 , I have added some 100% crops of the same pics.
Oh, and its no good looking at the pics on your phone, if you want to see their true ugliness quality-wise, look at them on a PC.
Nigel