For cryin' out loud, I'm tired of watching my battery drain while plugged into the supplied USB charger. It's ridiculous. I've never owned a portable device that discharged under normal use when plugged into its supplied AC adapter. If I want to spend 15 hours a day playing Angry Birds, it should be possible when I have a power source which is virtually unlimited. Twice, I've started the day with a full battery, had the device plugged in to the supplied 2 amp charger all day, and had <10% left on the battery when I went to bed. (No, I don't actually play Angry Birds for more than a few minutes at a time but I do use the device a lot.)
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For cryin' out loud, I'm tired of watching my battery drain while plugged into the supplied USB charger. It's ridiculous. I've never owned a portable device that discharged under normal use when plugged into its supplied AC adapter. If I want to spend 15 hours a day playing Angry Birds, it should be possible when I have a power source which is virtually unlimited. Twice, I've started the day with a full battery, had the device plugged in to the supplied 2 amp charger all day, and had <10% left on the battery when I went to bed. (No, I don't actually play Angry Birds for more than a few minutes at a time but I do use the device a lot.)
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I don't have that problem. You do know that your device will wait till it drops some percentage before it starts charging again. It won't keep it at 100% the whole time... Is meant to conserve your battery life
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I don't have that problem. You do know that your device will wait till it drops some percentage before it starts charging again. It won't keep it at 100% the whole time... Is meant to conserve your battery life
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Let's pretend I've got just a little experience with portable devices. The standard is to float between 95 and 100% charge and just call it "charged" once it's bounced off 100% the first time.
Here's a test you can do that requires no time on your part. Set it up to play a long movie while it's plugged in. Look at the charge level after it's been going for a couple of hours. And you don't have to take my word for it. I'm hardly the only person complaining that the supplied charger is not capable of keeping up with the device's power requirements.
If you are seeing power drop during normal use while plugged in I'd talk to Google. You may have a defective unit. Mine doesn't do that and I regularly see 20+ hour days with normal use unplugged and usually with some video, browsing, games etc.
Take note off when you see the drop, how much you lose over a given amount off time and call Google and see if this is expected. I'm sure they will help. They have been very responsive when I've called.
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If you are seeing power drop during normal use while plugged in I'd talk to Google. You may have a defective unit. Mine doesn't do that and I regularly see 20+ hour days with normal use unplugged and usually with some video, browsing, games etc.
Take note off when you see the drop, how much you lose over a given amount off time and call Google and see if this is expected. I'm sure they will help. They have been very responsive when I've called.
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I will watch like 1 hour of Streaming Vid's and loose like 4-5% while plugged in.
100% brightness causes my device to use more power then what's being supplied from the wall charger, and a few other people have confirmed similar incidents as well.
Max your brightness, and then go play a 3D game, while being plugged into the wall charger, and watch the percentage drop still
My tablet lasts a few days at least before needing a charge. I plug it in over night and it charges to full. I couldn't be more happier with it considering it is not self-sufficient.
Mine drops a few % per hour in use with the stock charger connected. Brightness at 50%, WiFi on, BT off. I'm not going to whine about it, but its the only thing that's not great with this tab.
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Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
I've read on an Ipad forum that about 10-15 hours charging are normal (the Ipad 4 has a 42,5Wh battery), and their chargers give as much Watt as our Nexus chargers.
One thing is clear, you can't increase the voltage. That would kill your Nexus right away.
My Samsung charger I recieved with my Nexus 10 says 5V out and 2A.
5*2= 10W.
Isn't that the same rates that other tabs have, even if they got special chargers?
So, the only thing the POGO-charger could raise, is the amount of current.
Even if you had a 10A charger, if the Nexus cant use more than 2A, it wouldn't get anymore amps than 2.
If the kernel on the Nexus doesn't support any higher charger rates, then you cant change anything.
There is a reason why the manufacturers have set 5V as standard - to make it work together with USB.
Battery Specs: Samsung Li-Ion 3.75V 22.75Wh 9000 mah.
So, it's easy. If you had a 1W charger, it would take 22,75 hours to get a fully charged battery.
In theory, it should take 2,75 hours to fully charge the Nexus 10 battery, but we don't turn it off, we use it while charging, it uses background sync and I dont know what the efficiency rating is on the charger or the Nexus.
You know you could feel some heat on the back of the Nexus 10 after some usage?
That's some of the battery's energy that spoils into heat, meaning that there are power losses.
It's normal though, we don't have anything yet on earth that could convert 100% energy from one form to another.
You could compare it to a car, you need a cooler-system to remove the excessive heat from the engine.
Even if your Nexus is far more efficient.
Olaeli said:
Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
I've read on an Ipad forum that about 10-15 hours charging are normal (the Ipad 4 has a 42,5Wh battery), and their chargers give as much Watt as our Nexus chargers.
One thing is clear, you can't increase the voltage. That would kill your Nexus right away.
My Samsung charger I recieved with my Nexus 10 says 5V out and 2A.
So, the only thing the POGO-charger could raise, is the amount of current.
Even if you had a 10A charger, if the Nexus cant use more than 2A, it wouldn't get anymore amps than 2.
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Please do not speculate about how much current can go through the pogo connection. Speculation is worthless and helps nobody. The fact that the included charger only puts out 2 amps probably has to do with limitations of the USB connection. But I'm speculating. See how pointless that is? The fact that one connection is limited to 2 amps doesn't mean all power connections are limited to 2 amps.
And where did I say anything about increasing the voltage? I'm not an idiot and didn't suggest such a stupid thing.
As for temperature, that can easily be monitored during charging and the current can be reduced if it gets too high. You are aware that there is a temperature sensor for the battery, right?
None of which has a darn thing to do with my opinion that it's unacceptable to produce a device that uses more power than it can get from its AC adapter. If there really is no way to run the Nexus 10 at full tilt without supplementing the AC adapter with battery power, Samsung should have addressed that problem before going into production with this unit. This isn't a $150 entry level device. It's the Android flagship.
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Why do everyone seems to think that the POGO-charger would be able to charge the Nexus faster?
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A person that supposedly has said charger mentioned that it seemed to charge faster.
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Please do not speculate about how much current can go through the pogo connection. Speculation is worthless and helps nobody. The fact that the included charger only puts out 2 amps probably has to do with limitations of the USB connection. But I'm speculating. See how pointless that is? The fact that one connection is limited to 2 amps doesn't mean all power connections are limited to 2 amps.
And where did I say anything about increasing the voltage? I'm not an idiot and didn't suggest such a stupid thing.
As for temperature, that can easily be monitored during charging and the current can be reduced if it gets too high. You are aware that there is a temperature sensor for the battery, right?
None of which has a darn thing to do with my opinion that it's unacceptable to produce a device that uses more power than it can get from its AC adapter. If there really is no way to run the Nexus 10 at full tilt without supplementing the AC adapter with battery power, Samsung should have addressed that problem before going into production with this unit. This isn't a $150 entry level device. It's the Android flagship.
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Please, you started speculating about a high-current POGO-charger that doesn't exist.
Sure, you didn't mention the voltage, but I ve seen comments about it before, so I just wanted to make it clear.
And I didn't say the temperature was a problem either, just that it lowers the efficiency of the charger and the device.
Samsung maybe didn't know there was a charging problem.
We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
And I know, this is supposed to be a flagship, but what everyone forgets is that it's much cheaper than other brands.
I was looking forward to buy a ASUS TF700 with keyboard at almost twice the price as the Nexus 10 before I read about the Nexus.
Even if it doesn't justify the charging problem, you could try to adapt to the circumstances until there's a solution.
When I'm low on battery, I let the device charge and do something else for a change.
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Edit: If you look at the pictures of the POGO-charger that's across the internet, the charger is still only 5V, 2A.
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Please, you started speculating about a high-current POGO-charger that doesn't exist.
Sure, you didn't mention the voltage, but I ve seen comments about it before, so I just wanted to make it clear.
And I didn't say the temperature was a problem either, just that it lowers the efficiency of the charger and the device.
Samsung maybe didn't know there was a charging problem.
We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
And I know, this is supposed to be a flagship, but what everyone forgets is that it's much cheaper than other brands.
I was looking forward to buy a ASUS TF700 with keyboard at almost twice the price as the Nexus 10 before I read about the Nexus.
Even if it doesn't justify the charging problem, you could try to adapt to the circumstances until there's a solution.
When I'm low on battery, I let the device charge and do something else for a change.
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Edit: If you look at the pictures of the POGO-charger that's across the internet, the charger is still only 5V, 2A.
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I have a nexus 10, nexus7, and a Tf700. I am noticing slightly faster charging on the n10 using the Tf700 ac adapter. The same is true when trying to charge my tf700. The stock samsung n10 ac adapter charges it slower than the asus transformer adapter. The same is true with my nexus 7 adapter. Ive used the n7 adapter to charge my tf700 and it was not as quick a charge. Meanwhile all 3 units are rated for 5v 2amp.
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We've seen examples before that manufacturers don't test their products enough.
(ASUS Transformer with encased aluminum body, anyone?)
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I wonder what all they did test if they somehow managed to miss that...
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I have a nexus 10, nexus7, and a Tf700. I am noticing slightly faster charging on the n10 using the Tf700 ac adapter. The same is true when trying to charge my tf700. The stock samsung n10 ac adapter charges it slower than the asus transformer adapter. The same is true with my nexus 7 adapter. Ive used the n7 adapter to charge my tf700 and it was not as quick a charge. Meanwhile all 3 units are rated for 5v 2amp.
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Could be possible the N10 charger isn't actually putting out 2A? Might need a multimeter or something to verify for sure though...
I am currently out of town so keep in mind I didn't have a chance to dig too deep but I've given the kernel a quick look through.
There is no such thing as the "high current pogo charger." The pogo pins accept 2A max and appears to be ~5V. The USB connector has the same limits.
I also took a look at the current at the battery to make sure the charger was being detected correctly. My 1A Samsung non-Nexus 10 charger seems to supply ~900ma to the battery which is as much as you should expect out of a 1A charger. My Nexus 10 charger supplies ~1600ma to the battery. This number seems slightly low but at least indicates the charger is detected correctly.
*If* the pogo charger does indeed charge faster, it will likely be because the pogo charger is able to supply some current that is asymptotically closer to 2A. In other words, it will not charger much faster than the USB charger.
On the other hand, the pogo charger will still be nice to have as it will allow simultaneous usage of USB OTG and charging.
Like I said before, I was unable to dig very deep because I'm out of town and browsing sysfs and kernel source on a tablet isn't the best experience. So, the info I found might not be 100% correct.
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There is no such thing as the "high current pogo charger." The pogo pins accept 2A max and appears to be ~5V.
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Please show some proof/references for this statement.
Valynor said:
Please show some proof/references for this statement.
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There are many indicators throughout the kernel but for brevity I'll post what I think is the most concise.
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...ng/arch/arm/mach-exynos/board-manta-battery.c
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Sets the current to 500ma if USB is detected on the pogo or 2A if AC is detected.
Well if you're reading 1600ma using the standard ac adapter that comes with the N10 and possibly closer to 2000ma (say 1900ma) using the pogo, then that is 1/5 faster charging. In terms of time that is quite a saving.
Of course, that is all speculation
USB current limits
I thought I'd post this as information I found while doing a spot of light reading
The current specification of a USB 2.0 port can be a maximum of 1.8A. Within Constraints.
"Battery Charging Specification 1.1: Released in March 2007.
A usb charging port places a termination resistance between D+ and D- to allow the maximum 1.8A", meaning that at this current, there can be no data transmission.
This appears to be increased for USB 3.0 standard.
"Battery Charging Specification 1.2: Released in December 2010.
Several changes and increasing limits including allowing 1.5A on charging ports for unconfigured devices, allowing High Speed communication while having a current up to 1.5A and allowing a maximum current of 5A."
citations come from documents here:
http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs
As POGO pins do not have to follow any specification the only limit is the current the board & charging circuit can handle.
Look at the specs on the wall plug in unit. It's not a charger it's a 5V power supply and the charger is inside the N10. However the charger is setup determines the charging rate. Like mentioned above, it may not matter if you "could" use a 10A at 5V power supply.
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Does anyone know why does my phone always overheat when I charge it? My wifi is off, and basically killed all my running apps.
This doesn't happen on my friend's nexus one.
By the way, I'm on FRF91 at&t. Anyone mind helping me with this? It would be greatly appreciated.
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What do you mean by overheating? Like turns off, bursts into flame, "feels hot"?
There's greater heat if you charge via USB as opposed to the wall charger. Did you both use the same charging methods?
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There's greater heat if you charge via USB as opposed to the wall charger. Did you both use the same charging methods?
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Why does a usb cable heat up more than a "rapid charger" i thought the usb charged half as fast.
It would be logical to assume that less energy would produce less heat,
Please explain
Mine was also cooking on the charger. But after I switched to undervolted kernel the heat is not as high anymore.
android01 said:
Why does a usb cable heat up more than a "rapid charger" i thought the usb charged half as fast.
It would be logical to assume that less energy would produce less heat,
Please explain
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I believe that the reason would be that USB has constant current, while rapid charger "pulses" the current, making the charging much more effective.
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Mine was also cooking on the charger. But after I switched to undervolted kernel the heat is not as high anymore.
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How do you undervolted the phone?
The temperature of my phone can go up as hot as 41C when I'm using the wall charger. But I charged it using the USB cable, it does not get hot at all.
So, is it possible that my wall charger is broken?
Only 41C? Don't worry about it then.
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How do you undervolted the phone?
The temperature of my phone can go up as hot as 41C when I'm using the wall charger. But I charged it using the USB cable, it does not get hot at all.
So, is it possible that my wall charger is broken?
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41C is nothing to worry about really. You should only be concerned if it went over 60C and even then it's mostly the battery that's paying the price.
Ah well... All my previous phone never reached that hot when it's charged.
I'm relieved that it's normal to reach 41C when charging then.
Thanks guys.
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There's greater heat if you charge via USB as opposed to the wall charger. Did you both use the same charging methods?
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No, there's not............ Sheesh.
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No, there's not............ Sheesh.
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Yes, there is a difference. Since the capacity charge is definitely different (5 V @ 500 mA vs. 5 V @ 1 A) there needs to be some sort of transformation in the power supply of the Nexus One. And transformation always releases heat.
Since the Nexus One and the Desktop Dock ship with a charger, this seems to be the preferred charging method and it makes sense that the phones power supply was designed to reflect that.
From my own experience I can say that my Nexus One get's very hot when charged via USB and almost no heat increase occurs when I charge it with the wall charger. But there might be a difference for users with 110 V ~ in their sockets.
Also check out the Li-Ion Battery guide, krad1992.
I also noticed that the phone gets a little hot when charging it. But I think that is natural. Also, it wasn't as extreme as you put it, where it would "overheat," instead I could notice that the phone was warmer when placed in the hand, especially in the lower bottom corner. But it never overheats...
If the heat worries you, you could always installed SetCPU (on a rooted device, of course) and set a profile to scale the processor speed down when charging, and I believe the newer versions of that app even let you set a different profile for charging via USB versus AC.
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Yes, there is a difference. Since the capacity charge is definitely different (5 V @ 500 mA vs. 5 V @ 1 A) there needs to be some sort of transformation in the power supply of the Nexus One. And transformation always releases heat.
Since the Nexus One and the Desktop Dock ship with a charger, this seems to be the preferred charging method and it makes sense that the phones power supply was designed to reflect that.
From my own experience I can say that my Nexus One get's very hot when charged via USB and almost no heat increase occurs when I charge it with the wall charger. But there might be a difference for users with 110 V ~ in their sockets.
Also check out the Li-Ion Battery guide, krad1992.
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OMFG, nonsense FUD. 5V is 5V. The phone only draws 500mAh when a 'USB' charge is detected, vs drawing 1Ah when an 'AC' charge is detected. The power supply is not pushing power into the device.
I'm not disagreeing that your phone gets hot when charging with a slow charge, but your assumptions are total nonsense and it's not normal.
Maybe you have some software doing something weird when USB is plugged in charging.. Ever tried shutting the phone down and plugging it on USB and seeing if it also gets hot?
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OMFG, nonsense FUD. 5V is 5V. The phone only draws 500mAh when a 'USB' charge is detected, vs drawing 1Ah when an 'AC' charge is detected. The power supply is not pushing power into the device.
I'm not disagreeing that your phone gets hot when charging with a slow charge, but your assumptions are total nonsense and it's not normal.
Maybe you have some software doing something weird when USB is plugged in charging.. Ever tried shutting the phone down and plugging it on USB and seeing if it also gets hot?
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That might be a little harsh...
My phone ALWAYS gets hotter charging from USB (and especially from a USB cable plugged into a non-HTC 1, 1.6 or 2A wall charger).
The phone detects whether it should be in AC or in USB mode based on whether it a couple of the pins are shorted in the cable (this has been confirmed by people taking hotknives to their chargers). If it detects USB mode, it only draws about 450mA. In AC mode (thus, if it sees shorted pins, like in the stock HTC chargers), it'll draw somewhat (slightly) less than 1A.
I think that imperfect quality control or imperfect engineering on the phone might cause some drawn current to escape as heat when in USB mode, but not to while in AC mode.
This does not (at least for me) seem to be a software issue, because I have seen the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR on CM 5.0.5, CM 5.0.6, CM 5.0.7(.x), CM 5.0.8, FRF50, FRF83, FRF85b, FRF91 and CM6 (both nightly and RC1). I've tried out dozens of kernels, and the problem seems to be a LITTLE better on more fiercely UC'd versions.
Plugging into USB and charging ALWAYS causes my phone to become warm or hot to the touch (after 30min to 1Hr, of course). After a good while, temps go on up to 34-39 on USB, with very little user activity or screen use, versus 29-32 when in AC mode. I have never had the slightest PROBLEM linked with this issue - that level of heat just isn't bad for something designed to work in the sun, sit in your pocket all day, etc.
I can confirm that this is also a problem on an HTC Desire - both the IDIOTIC self-limiting AC/USB regulator and the heat-while-charging-USB issue.
The AC/USB logic used by the phone is the most user-unfriendly thing I've ever seen on a phone, because it is MUCH too strict. It is solely designed to get you to buy "official" HTC fast chargers, rather than letting you use third party gear.
My Milestone would charge (and draw) fast from any old wall bump that could feed enough juice. iPhones do it. My BlackBerry Bold would draw well over 1A and fully charge in less than an hour off of anything that fed enough juice. But my fantastic "superphone" can't do this? That is really the ONLY thing I don't like about the N1 - and it will probably stop me from ever buying an HTC phone again, since I have confirmed exactly the same behavior on other models. Here's why:
If my wife and I travel with our kids, with multiple USB-charged and powered devices, I either have to bring both my US-only N1 charger AND an adapter (we live in France) PLUS another USB source (like a 2-in-1 or a 4-in-1) and cables, OR I can just bring the other source and count on 7 hours a day with my phone plugged into the wall, since 450mA is crap. And all of this is because HTC wants me to buy and use their chargers - which do not accept USB plugs like Moto's, Apple's, third-party, etc.
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Yes, there is a difference. Since the capacity charge is definitely different (5 V @ 500 mA vs. 5 V @ 1 A) there needs to be some sort of transformation in the power supply of the Nexus One. And transformation always releases heat.
Since the Nexus One and the Desktop Dock ship with a charger, this seems to be the preferred charging method and it makes sense that the phones power supply was designed to reflect that.
From my own experience I can say that my Nexus One get's very hot when charged via USB and almost no heat increase occurs when I charge it with the wall charger. But there might be a difference for users with 110 V ~ in their sockets.
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Well. Mine is the other way round. When I charged it with my USB cable, it doesn't get hot at all. But, it gets very hot when I charge with the wall charger.
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There's greater heat if you charge via USB as opposed to the wall charger. Did you both use the same charging methods?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727067
You voted yet? My results from today are even lower than that of yesterday, but my house is colder than my office.. Wife likes it frigid.. 27C charging on USB today.
Maybe you are using the phone while it's being charged, thus using the processor and producing heat?
I can leave mine on all day, and it doesn't get any hotter than a regular phone being charged. But if I have the OLED on and using processor, then it gets a little warmer.
The hottest I've seen mine get of 47 c, and that was because I was outside at the pool and the sun was killing it lol.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=727067
You voted yet? My results from today are even lower than that of yesterday, but my house is colder than my office.. Wife likes it frigid.. 27C charging on USB today.
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I avoid charging via USB because the phone get's too hot for my taste. But I tried just now and it's around 39 °C in an ambient temp of around 23 °C.
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OMFG, nonsense FUD. 5V is 5V. The phone only draws 500mAh when a 'USB' charge is detected, vs drawing 1Ah when an 'AC' charge is detected. The power supply is not pushing power into the device.
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Though your slightly unkind post was answered sufficiently by big_adventure, I'd like to add something.
I suspect we both don't know how the input circuit of the Nexus One is designed, so it's pure speculation when we talk about how the power input is handled. HTC can be quiet fast with their hardware iterations, so we might even have different revisions.
But, the Nexus Ones Li-Ion needs a current of 1.4 A (1 C) until 4.2 V cell voltage are reached, ideally. The power the AC wall charger delivers fits in quiet well with almost no transformation. The maximum current the USB port can deliver is way out of the ideal range so there's the need for some more sweet magic in the circuits. And sweet electronic magic is connected to releasing heat.
However the input circuit is designed, there are definitely differences how the input of both charging methods is handled, causing varying levels of heat increase. Depending on what the engineers chose as their bias point. Tolerances have impact, of course and hardware revisions might have changed things. I'd like to be more specific but I have never designed a mobile phone charging circuit nor do I intend to disembowel my N1 for the sake of an argument
Caution: You may find speculation and assumptions but no FUD
Take care.
Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
could be the amp? maybe below 1 amp? Samsung charger has 2amps om it. check your charger and look for the amp. btw. the lower the amp the better for your battery..
Buy an OEM charger. The Samsung one is $50 from Samsung website but you can get the Asus charger from Google play store for $25. Both are two ampbi believe. Or you can get the 1a for $25 from samsung. Getting OEM directly from an OEM or authorized reseller or a storefront lime Google is key. Getting cheap chargers is gonna bite you in the ass one day or think about it like this. Why keep wasting time buying cheap chargers again and again when you can put up proper money and get quality in one go and have peace of mind for a few years. I even stopped buying chargers from amazon because they're just cheap knockoffs too. Phi hong makes good chargers and power supplies but they are harder to source. Phi hong came with my nexus one andy galaxy nexus OEM Home dock.
Anyways, aside from that part of the reason for slow charging is you probably have an unsafe charger that is not rated what it really is and is made of poor materials. Getting a quality 1a or higher, preferably 2a in this case and your gnote2 should charge @ 1.8a. In other words, you can charge from zero to full in ~2-2.5 hours. Or from partially full to 100% in less than 2 easily.
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
Yes...charging just the battery with wall charger.
@ 40% it will not be charged at 6am when I wake!!!
Are there better wall chargers?
Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Unless I am mistaken, OP is referring to battery chargers, not usb chargers. That's how I charge mine, too. I have spare batteries, and they all get charged directly. When my battery is low, I just swap. I hate having my phone attached to a cord, even at night.
Yes, all the battery chargers I've had for every device (including this one) have been lower amp than the usb chargers supplied with the phone. It is especially slow for this huge battery for the Note 2. While it bothers me in concept, it's never actually been an issue for me, so I haven't done anything about it. I don't know if higher amp battery chargers are available, but I don't feel like spending extra money on one.
As far as battery health goes, charging at a lower amperage certainly isn't hurting the battery. If anything, it's actually better for it.
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Why do you hate having your phone attached to a Cord overnight. I heard that's fine and do it every night.!
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Not for the phone, for me. It just bothers me having a wireless device locked to a wall. There's no reason for it. And I frequently get up in the night for various reasons (kids, work, insomnia, etc), and it bugs me unplugging in the middle of a charge cycle.
Incidentally, a non-removable battery was a deal breaker, and one of the reasons I didn't get a Nexus 4. I got used to never plugging in my last phone, and I don't want to go back. It was torture the first week or two with the N2 before my spare batteries arrived.
The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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The charger should have its output printed on it, I've had a look at the pics on ebay and the first two I found that I could read were 500mA and 350mA, the original charger is 2A or 2000mA. Samsung make there own battery charger http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/...es/EB-H1J9VNEGSTD?subsubtype=other-multimedia the output is 1.7A so much closer to the original usb charger.
I'd be worried about my back cover getting loose doing what you do. I had three batteries for my old phone, but I did not swap them on a daily basis, just when travelling or away from power for an extended time. I've ordered some wireless chargers so I can have one by my bed and another downstairs. I know they only output 500mA too, but for an overnight charge thats fine for me. I dont think there is any issue with interrupting the charge cycle, the two main enemies of lithium batteries are heat and being totally/almost discharged on a regular basis. Its best to keep them topped up.
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It looks like the OEM battery charger is available on ebay for around $15. That's good to know in case mine ever crap out on me. These cheapies that I get tend to.
As far as the back cover getting loose, after 3 months, it is a little bit looser than when it was new. 1.5 years with my G2x didn't loosen it at all, but the build quality on that thing was fantastic. I keep this in a case anyway, so it being a little looser goes unnoticed. If it gets bad, back cover replacements are cheap.
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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But what is the point of having it charge fast, when all it is is going to drain faster?
I charge mine overnight with a charger rated at 750mah I believe and it last me a whole day. As oppose to using a 2.1 am charger I have, where the battery percentage would start dropping by the first hour.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but this is what I've notice with my last few phones.
The Perseus kernel with stweaks has the ability to change the charging parameters.
With it overclocked/undervolted I am getting better life than I did on stock.
Not for sure what you mean as it depleting the charge faster on a higher amperage charger. Kind of sounds like you may have had failing batteries, etc.
There seem to be a few misunderstandings here regarding batteries and chargers.
1) The charge rate, when the battery is in the phone, is controlled BY the phone. The charger itself just supplies regulated power to the phone. How much current is put into the battery at any given time is up to the phone, which is why kernels can do things like fast charge, it's controlled by the kernel. Now, the reason the battery charges faster when using the stock charger vs. something lower current or a computer is simple. The phone can detect what it's connected to within some limitations. It sounds like our phone can also sense the incoming voltage levels and back off if the supply becomes unstable.
2) Using the stock 2A charger is "harder" on the battery than a lower current charger. Not true, at least not within any margin of error you will be able to detect without specialized equipment. Lipo batteries are generally built to charge/discharge at 1C. C in this case stands for capacity. So our 3100mah batteries can charge at 3.1Amp and be within safety margin. So the 2Amp charger the phone comes with is perfectly fine for the battery. Without seeing a datasheet for the battery from Samsung, that's a good guess. And again, the phone controls the charge current based on a number of parameters. You could connect the phone to a 5V supply capable of 100Amp and it will still only use what it needs.
3) The percentage readout on the phone screen is a GUESS. Don't pay it too much attention. For this same reason, evaluating 3rd party batteries based on phone runtime etc is not useful. To validate the battery capacity with any accuracy requires a test setup discharging the battery through a known load and measuring how long it takes to get to a cutoff voltage. I've done some of these tests myself on stock and 3rd party batteries. In general, the OEM batteries are always at or above spec, the 3rd party battery manufacturers lie. Often by upward of 20%. Even the high $ batteries. Keep that in mind when shopping if you want extras or extended batteries.
4) Interrupting the charge cycle is bad. Nope. It's fine. On this same line of thought, full cycles ARE bad. Don't do it. Don't think too much about it either though. Just plug it in when convenient. Or set it on the wireless charger if you've installed one. Generally speaking, they actually don't like to be charged to 100% either. Keeping it at 20%-80% is actually best for the longevity of the battery cell itself. In practice, you will probably have a new phone before any of this is actually noticeable.
The OP sounds like they are talking about a stand-alone charger, where the battery is not in the phone. Those will vary wildly in quality and capability, particularly from ebay. They are probably cheap POS devices. Not that that's really a bad thing, just know about it. It's probably a very low charge rate device, perhaps even down to 100ma or so. That would take forever to charge our larger batteries. As for if there is a better one, probably. If Samsung makes one, it will probably charge faster than the phone with the provided charger plug as there would be no load from the phone using power. Of course, it will cost a lot more as well. Look for devices that at least claim they will charge at 2Amp or so. In practice, they will probably be a lot lower, but your chances are improved. Not many people will break out an ammeter and check, after all.
UnixSlayer said:
If one of the devs can make the kernel capable of fastcharge, it would not take but half the time to charge. Yank who is working with Faux on his kernel, helped make the kernel fast charge capable.
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Perseus kernal has fast charging settings.
What ttabbal wrote is mostly correct. But the problem lies within some input voltage protection logic tied to the charger chip of the phone which is extremely (and too much so) sensitive.
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Can people stop calling it fast-charge, it's an idiotic term which technically means nothing. While most kernels have some sort of charging speed configuration options, they're all useless in regard to this problem as the current in the end is decided by a different logic. You'll have to disable unstable power detection and that's the only way to make it work and fix the problem, unless you go hunting down high quality cables and chargers.
Personally I also encountered the problem as my stock S3 charger, as many others here have reported, has deteriorated and it would only charge at an effective 300mA. I disabled unstable power detection and now it charges at the full given current limits, without any issues.
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Got it from eBay.
Charges faster in phone...while using!
If battery is around 40% it being be charged overnight.
Anyone else experience this?
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You have to make sure it's "2a" charger capacity. It happened to me once. Go to monoprice.com and search for a universal 2a charger... pretty cheap
Last nite, I played dead trigger until battery warning indicated 4%.
But I still keep playing and suddenly the screen went black.
I think the battery is totally dried out at that time. So I used the following
charger but failed to charge even after 10min. Here's the charger:
1. 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand.
2. old nokia 0.5A charger.
3. original samsung note2 charger.
all those 3 charger works normall on my n10 before last nite.
and suddenly i think maybe i can try out the original charger of n10.
And it works!
So i wonder if samsung or google put special charger on the adapter?
Before we know anything furthur.pls put ur n10 charger in safe place.
I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.
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I think most tablet chargers output a voltage of 12v. That might of kicked your battery back to life.
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I've confirm the voltage of my n10 adapter. Which printed "5V 2A".
It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.
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It probably just needed a certain amount of minimum battery voltage to function and show charging. I doubt if the OEM power supply is special in any way. The charging circuit is really inside the N10.
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when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Yeah, that is very strange indeed. It does draw in the 1800mA range from the battery during boot up. Are you using the same micro-USB cord all the time? It was reported that there are big differences in charging rate with different brands of cords.
This was covered in another thread recently.
Basicially the Samsung chargers have 2 pins shorted together to get full charging power of around 1.5A with the n10. Using other chargers will get you around 500ma output.
My guess is if you left your tablet on the "other" chargers overnight it would come on just fine. They simply don't output enough juice to power the tablet when the battery is that low.
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when i plug in the non-n10 charger, even after 10min,n10 is not able to boot. Only flaahing the battery charging symbol for 1 sec.
when i plug in the original charger, n10 can be boot instantly.
thats why i think it is very weird about the original charger. but other chargers still works well when n10 battery is NOT completely dried out.
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Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).
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Had you left the other chargers on long enough, the tablet would have booted fine. I've run into this. I have an old(er) Samsung Tab 2 10.1 charger I use with my N10 (now along with a Pogo cable) and my N10 charges rapidly. That, coupled with the two wires shorted out in Samy's setup for the larger amp's.....also, in my job, I work with other chargers all the time and use them all the time across multi platforms, to include my N10, and it charges fine (albeit much more slowly).
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My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.
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My charger(PS) for my Dell Streak 7 works just fine with the N10. This all makes sense except for the fact that the poster stated using a: 3rd party 5V 3A charger,liteon brand which didn't work.
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Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but depending on the usage of the tablet, you might not be able to charge it quicker than the power usage. For me, if I'm playing a demanding game at 1.7Ghz and max brightness, neither USB or Pogo can charge the tablet, and battery still drops (slower, but still drops).
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Should still work fine. Voltage is the same and the device will only draw as much amperage as needed. May have something to do with the circuitry in the charger? It may have been bad. As long as you don't supply more volts you are OK. More amps is also OK. Not enough amps will lead to burning up the charger unless the device is smart enough to realize its on a low amp charger (like the n10) and kick down so as not to over draw (ie - over drawing from the USB port which is a .5amp (500mAmp) or 1amp (1000mAmp)...someone correct me on the number here please)
The whole reason manufacturers tell you not to use someone else's charger is so you don't plug in, say, a 12 volt charger into a 5 volt item. That would pop something. That or some cheap charger poorly built could allow "dirty" power through causing problems. Both issues voiding warranties
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Never seen anything burn up because of low amperage., power or watts generate heat and power(watts)=voltage x current.
Did you ever see a PS(charger is inside the N10) with a USB port that supplies anything but 5V? I haven't.
Current (amps) does the charging.
No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..
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No USB charger will provide anything more than 5.1 volts. If the charging block has a USB plug look at the rating. Amperage for smaller devices may be 1a or even less. Newer big smartphones have bigger batteries and need more current to charge. My old Thunderbolt charger is 1A, the charger Motorola provides for my Maxx HD is 1.5A, the Samsung charger for my Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is a 2 amp charger, so is the charger for the iPad that some frickin' jerk ripped off from my house. The Xoom escaped that problem by having a separate charge plug, not using the USB system, it 12 volts at 1.5 amps. See the pattern? A tablet of any kind has an even bigger battery and needs even more current to charge. The reason the N10 may lose charge even when plugged in is that the charger can't deliver the current needed to run the device and charge the battery simultaneously.
As I see it, Samsung and Google need to supply a slightly higher amperage power block to compensate for the use/charge balance problem. Our solution would be to turn it off and charge the device every night or even leave it plugged in when not in use.
Another thing is the surface area for current transfer. The USB points are tiny, the POGO Pins, dedicated to charging would be able to handle more current because they have more surface area.
Any one who knows better may correct me, I just ordered an N10 today from Google so my information here is what I have read here and what I know from years in the electronics field..
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You don't need more current to charge a bigger battery, it's all about how long it will take to charge to full.
Some have stated that they've seen a 3A battery drain with certain games. The 9Ah battery would last approx. 3 hours which exceeds the max rate of the charging circuit and the PS. Even on a fully charged battery at that rate doesn't last that long.
AFAIK for any tablet to be able to draw 2A from any 5V charger (that can supply the needed amperage) the data pins (middle two pins from the use cable) have to be at 2.5V. Otherwise even if the charger is with correct specifications 5V/2A the tablet might not charge at all, or charge at a lower rate.
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I forget the actual brand/model of the actual charging chip but if you poke around in the N10 files you can find it but it's specs are list as 2.5A max but N10's code limits it to 2.1A. This isn't the PS wall wart commonly called the "charger".
The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A
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The recommended charging current for any lithium ion or lithium polymer is 0.7C. What that actually means is a current 0.7 x max capacity in mAh. For most phones e.g. my Galaxy Note 2 with a capacity of 3100 mAh this means a current at about 1.7A.
The battery Nexus 10, on the other hand, could very well be charged at a whooping 6.3A current.
In USB Battery Charging Specification 1.2 the maximum current a USB port can supply for charging purposes can be as high as 5A.
With the Perseus kernel for Note 2 you can actually specify the max limit for how much current the phone will draw from any charger.
So in theory.. it should be possible to charge the Nexus 10 with a 5V 5-6,3A charger.. and that would probably be very quick!
For the record: I havn't seen many (any?) chargers with more that 2.3A
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Sure the charging rate is way under what it should be but as they use larger and larger capacity cells the only solution is a removable cell to charge by other means.
Here goes.....
I've been struggling with charging this phone. I have both the Sprint and the T-Mobile versions and I'm seeing the exact same thing with both. This phone simply won't pull more than roughly 600ma from a charger. With the best of equipment (chargers, cables, clean regulated power, etc etc) a ~600ma (+/- 15ma) is all I ever see at max draw.
I've tried all sorts of chargers including several stock. Same for cables. I know some cables are crappier than others and can restrict current....those that I found did that were tossed in the trash (don't want to keep the fubar cables anyway).
The phones have been in various states of operation too....from one extreme to the other....under heavy benchmark load to "first run" state from a complete reset (full wipe) with airplane mode on.
I said I have a "problem" above. What I mean is that my use-case is such that I use navigation with bluetooth streaming for podcast listening during my commute to and from work everyday. While I'm at work I plug into my TV to playback video podcasts via MHL. At best.....BEST....I can maintain my current state of battery. In other words, if I'm 39%, it'll stay thereabout when I'm plugged into a charger in either case.
No..."Power Saver" doesn't help. What I think would actually help is if power saver had the ability to disable some cores in addition to just governing to 1.1Ghz across all four.
To have a kickass phone that you really honestly can't truly kick ass with feels weird. This thing simply discharges faster than it can charge under any real world load. Maybe my personal use case is unconventional but I feel like it's not THAT unconventional seeing as that the features I use wouldn't be built in if no one ever used them, ya know?
I first noticed this behavior with my previous phone, the EVO 4G LTE. Even though the behavior was there, it wasn't as bad or noticeable due to what I think is the fact it was only dual core...maybe other factors too. But I'm not a developer/engineer so my observations are only from the outside looking in.
I know I can "tweak" my behaviors -- "...do this, or do that. Disable this, or disable that." I understand these things. But having to disable a bunch of things sorta goes against the idea of having this device in the first place.
At the end of day, my observations are my own and I know some are going to suggest I'm "holding it wrong" or whatever, but you guys gotta admit there's something up here with the very limited charge rate.
All that said, I still enjoy the phone. :angel:
PS - I've been using this to monitor current/voltage. The tool has been verified to be working properly by two EE's at my work.
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-SATA-Cables-Voltage-Current/dp/B005Z1E3IY
The stock charger. How much does that one show it pulls?
Because I have a 1a charger for my car and I can have the screen on the entire time and it charges, slower, but it charges.
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The stock charger. How much does that one show it pulls?
Because I have a 1a charger for my car and I can have the screen on the entire time and it charges, slower, but it charges.
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Same same.....doesn't matter the charger capability. Peak draw at any one time seems to be roughly 600ma...+/-. As the charge of the phone gets closer to full, the rate tapers off to roughly 200ma and then to about 80ma as it gets really really close.
I know HTC is trying to protect the battery, but I really get the feeling that this is way over-protective.
I took a picture with my Sprint ONE of my T-Mobile ONE on a 2.1amp wall charger. Notice, at roughly 1/2 charge, it's only pulling about 600ma. Too daggon slow in my opinion.
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Same same.....doesn't matter the charger capability. Peak draw at any one time seems to be roughly 600ma...+/-. As the charge of the phone gets closer to full, the rate tapers off to roughly 200ma and then to about 80ma as it gets really really close.
I know HTC is trying to protect the battery, but I really get the feeling that this is way over-protective.
I took a picture with my Sprint ONE of my T-Mobile ONE on a 2.1amp wall charger. Notice, at roughly 1/2 charge, it's only pulling about 600ma. Too daggon slow in my opinion.
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I assume you mean a 2.1a charger from a Samsung product, that won't work. Samsung uses some signaling on the D+/D- wires to show "This is a Samsung product, charge at 2.1a"
HTC One does not have the ability to offer this signaling and thus will charge at usb rates of 500-600.
Some products short the data wires of the USB to signal that it can supply extra power. This is the type of signaling the HTC One can use. You would need a charger with this capability.
If you don't mind, if you could take a picture of the same setup with the stock charger, that would help.
EDIT: This particular device you've linked seems to block any signaling, according to the reviews on Amazon. I think your problem may lie there.
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I assume you mean a 2.1a charger from a Samsung product, that won't work. Samsung uses some signaling on the D+/D- wires to show "This is a Samsung product, charge at 2.1a"
HTC One does not have the ability to offer this signaling and thus will charge at usb rates of 500-600.
Some products short the data wires of the USB to signal that it can supply extra power. This is the type of signaling the HTC One can use. You would need a charger with this capability.
If you don't mind, if you could take a picture of the same setup with the stock charger, that would help.
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I understand what you mean. Note that in all my rambling on about various cables and chargers, if I wasn't explicit, I was implicit in that I've tried HTC stock gear too. Same results, no matter.
I do own and did try a few Samsung chargers and cables in addition to the myriad of others. I'm aware of Samsung's irritating attempts to lock people into using their accessories, thus the signaling modifications, but wanted to try them anyway. That's why I used a whole bunch of different chargers and cables. Some are not-so-good and others are great. The one charger I prefer is from VENTEV. It's a dual-port 4.2amp (2.1/per) wallwart.
http://www.amazon.com/Ventev-Wall-Charger-Dual-2-1A/dp/B00BEJSRDI
What I'm saying overall is that the big picture here suggests that we can't pull more than the peak 600ma or so charge rate, no matter what combination of doo-dads you toss at the phone. I'm all in if HTC has some super-secret special vapor rub one can use to charge faster, but even the stock charger they give us in the box which supports 1AMP doesn't deliver that since the phone itself doesn't pull more than what I've seen.
In the attached pics, the one of the charger is the Ventev. The other three show my T-mobile ONE just hit 90% charge and the rate has dipped to about 400ma on average. I took three snaps to show that it does fluctuate a bit. It'll ramp down more at about 95% or so and even more at 99%...................ALL of which is to be expected, I know.
To be clear, at this point, and what you see in these pics, is the stock HTC wall charger that we all get in the box with the phone, the stock HTC microUSB cable, and the measuring tool that is plugged into charger which the cable is then plugged into to then charge the phone. The meter can handle just over 2amps before it pops the internal fuse.
-Doug, KG3EK
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I understand what you mean. Note that in all my rambling on about various cables and chargers, if I wasn't explicit, I was implicit in that I've tried HTC stock gear too. Same results, no matter.
I do own and did try a few Samsung chargers and cables in addition to the myriad of others. I'm aware of Samsung's irritating attempts to lock people into using their accessories, thus the signaling modifications, but wanted to try them anyway. That's why I used a whole bunch of different chargers and cables. Some are not-so-good and others are great. The one charger I prefer is from VENTEV. It's a dual-port 4.2amp (2.1/per) wallwart.
http://www.amazon.com/Ventev-Wall-Charger-Dual-2-1A/dp/B00BEJSRDI
What I'm saying overall is that the big picture here suggests that we can't pull more than the peak 600ma or so charge rate, no matter what combination of doo-dads you toss at the phone. I'm all in if HTC has some super-secret special vapor rub one can use to charge faster, but even the stock charger they give us in the box which supports 1AMP doesn't deliver that since the phone itself doesn't pull more than what I've seen.
In the attached pics, the one of the charger is the Ventev. The other three show my T-mobile ONE just hit 90% charge and the rate has dipped to about 400ma on average. I took three snaps to show that it does fluctuate a bit. It'll ramp down more at about 95% or so and even more at 99%...................ALL of which is to be expected, I know.
To be clear, at this point, and what you see in these pics, is the stock HTC wall charger that we all get in the box with the phone, the stock HTC microUSB cable, and the measuring tool that is plugged into charger which the cable is then plugged into to then charge the phone. The meter can handle just over 2amps before it pops the internal fuse.
-Doug, KG3EK
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I was directed here from another section of the forum. Have you tried using this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.bmw
With the stock charger it's telling me that I'm pulling in just under 950mA during peak charging and tapering off as it gets full.
i used a samsung 0,7C charger and it charges at a conntat +800 mah
the HTC chargers also sometime speaks a 900mah + but typically aroung 200 - 700 mah +
it seesm t fluctuate more often than the samsung which fluctuates to a lwoer range when bnearing 100% charge.
Dude, I have the same problem with my EVO LTE, exactly as you describe it, but for some weird reason, my car charger charges my phone normally while other chargers will take several hours to fully charge. I really hope it's a problem with the chargers and not our phones :thumbup: :thumbdown:
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Hi. So based on what people have posted, does this mean that there isn't much difference charging it from the wall socket and from a usb port in a computer? Since then charging rate is around 700-600mah and a usb charges at around 500mah
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http://androidcommunity.com/htc-one-doesnt-support-qualcomm-quick-charge-20130509/
So I download that app, and no matter what I do with my settings, I cannot get my phone to charger faster than about 550mAh. I am currently running at 384MHz CPU, 200MHz GPU, and Force Charge (On/Off), and 50mV undervolt. With the phone just laying there (screen on 65% battery), as I stare it currently saying +529mA (+23.00% /h).
I just tried playing a game, with those same exact settings and it stated charging at +217mah.
Edit: Was redirected here and didn't notice it was an old topic. sorry for reviving?
Hi,
Does anyone know why it is such a god damn crapshoot for charging speeds on the galaxy note 2 (or any samsung device for that matter).'
You buy a charger rated for 2amps and you never know what it will give you.
You buy a USB micro cable and get anywhere between 0.4amps and 1.6amps.
What is the criteria that the phone is using to determine how many amps to pull from the charger? How does it even know what gauge of wire it is? Is there some sort of resistance check?
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 and that is even more particular than the GN2. With most aftermarket chargers, it absolutely refuses to charge. I've had so much trouble finding a charger for it I've just stopped using the tablet since I only have one working charger for it.
It really sucks spending anywhere between $2-$30 dollars on a charger and not knowing if it will work. My success rate has been less than 10%.
I try to do forum and google searches, but all I seem to find are comments like "I bought this charger. Seems to work." With no detailed information on what performance they are getting out of it.
This is really turning me off samsung products. I don't have this problem with my HTC or LG android devices.
I don't know why you have problems, I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....
dalanik said:
I don't know why you have problems,
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You kind of answer this for yourself, as follows:
dalanik said:
I have 2 samsung devices (phones) and I chare them with their original chargers, charger from Nexus 7 and my old charger from Desire HD and all work just fine... ofcourse, the original one is the fastest, since it is 2A, HTC one is 750mA and Ativ S one is 500mA, N7 one is 1A....
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Your stock charger is 2A. (about 1.5-2 hours to charge)
Your HTC charger is 750mA (about 4-5 hours to charge)
Your ATV charger is 500mA (no better than a computer port. 6-8 hours to charge)
This was my point. This IS my problem. Obviously the stock charger works at 2A, but with any other charger it is anyones guess as to what speeds you're going to get out of it. Even when they are specified to work at 2A, you are likely not going to get 2A out of it. The phone is so bloody fickle.
If there was some benchmark or specific set of criteria I could use when I purchase a new charger to know for certain if it will charge at 2A, then that would mitigate some of the problem at least. But right now, there is none as far as I can tell. When I purchase a charger, I literally have no idea if it will run at 2A with this phone.
I'm glad that you're not bothered by the slow charging speeds and are happy with <1A. I'm sure this works well for most people. It doesn't for me. I push my phone to the max (as I have every right to) and need a charger that can keep up.
Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.
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Well, charging slowly is different to what you say i.e. "refusing to charge at all" etc. And of course I don't use Ativ's charger to charge N2 often, it would take ages But I use HTC's charger that is 750mA and it charges within 2 hours which is OK.
Anyways, the only solution for you is to buy BRANDED charger from a company you can trust not some cheap chinese, t should work just fine whether it gives 2A or 1.9A is really no big difference.
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Well, there are chargers that refuse to work. Especially with the Galaxy Note 10.1.
Cheap ebay chargers are a crapshoot, that much goes without saying. But there are many brand-name chargers that don't work at full speed, despite being rated for 2A.
Its not so much a charger thing as a samsung thing. While I'm not able to find specific criteria as to how/why the phone decides to charge at the speed it does (which is really the only question I had with this thread), I can tell you that there are many brand name products (monoprice, anker, ngear, etc) that are rated for 2A, but will not run at 2A with the samsung. They will usually run at 2A with other products though.
The more research I do, the more I highly suspect that this is a case of Samsung propriety. It looks like that they are deliberately throttling aftermarket chargers to force you to buy their overpriced samsung chargers. As I understand it, it has something to do with creating a voltage divider between two of the contacts, but every diagram I find shows a different wiring scheme. This would indicate that no one really knows for sure.
The one and ONLY question I have with this thread is to find out what criteria the N7100 uses to determine how much amperage to draw. I remain confident that no one will answer this question because it seems no one knows.
For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.
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For the Note 2: there is a way to get a simple measurement of how much current is being pulled. Refer to this thread for the apk and more info.
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Thanks for posting this. I suppose I should have mentioned that I have this app already and it is incredibly useful. I also have this, which with only a few bizarre exceptions, reports the same as the app.
The more people who are aware of this app, the better. People who think that their aftermarket charger "works fine for me" are probably unaware of how much those chargers are under-performing.
I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.
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I don't have the education to explain your situation your situation well. But it boils down the electrical engineering the the physics of electricity.
There are quite a few variables that all effect the charging of devices. First thing is what does the device require for charge input, which is both amps and voltage. For whatever reason, quite a few tablets require 15 volts versus 5, which is what most mobile phones need. I have this same issue with my ASUS Transformer Infinity pad. It requires 2.0amps with 15 volts. I have a Galaxy Note II with needs 2.0amps with 5 volts. Unfortunately, when I use my phone charger with the tablet, it puts out enough to trigger a charger is plugged in (turns on tablet if it is off), but not enough to trigger there is actual charging. It does charge it, but it's a trickle charge; basically if it using while plugged in, it only slows the battery depletion rate.
As for the charge output, now you're getting into build quality, resistance of the components of the charger itself and the USB cable being used.
And then depending the device, the pins used on the USB cable can have an effect too. This mostly occurs with tablets or proprietary cables because the pins may tell the hardware what kind of charger is being used, which may have built in limits for charging.
Hopefully that helps some.
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That last part is correct. I actually know enough about electrical circuits to be pretty sure it is the phone deciding how much power to pull.
Ohms law states that the amperage of a circuit is the voltage of the circuit devided by the resistance (in ohms).
USB circuits are almost universally 5 volts. I remember reading somewhere that a phone has a potentiometer that protects it from circuits of incorrect voltage, up to a certain amount. This is probably why you can get away with sticking a 15V charger onto your phone and not blowing it up. You cannot depend on this however. Generally, you do not want to stick a charger into your device that is a different voltage rating than what the charger is rated for.
The charger decides the voltage, using an internal device that changes AC voltage (120VAC if youre american) to 5VDC (USB) or whatever your device needs. This device is called a rectifier.
As stated above, the charger decides the voltage. The battery determines the resistance*, therefore the amperage is the natural result of deviding the voltage by the resistance.
*Resistance is added to the circuit by the wire and the charger itself, but is usually inconsequential.
When a charger says that it is rated for a certain amperage, that means that it is the maximum amount of current that thr internal components can handle safely, without running the risk of earth-shattering kabooms (fire). If the circuit you have connected to your charger contains too little resistance, you will increase the amperage (ohms law, as stated above), and you may end up with a piece of charcoal where your charger used to be.
Thr fact that the samaung phones can change the amperage of a charging circuit so fickly must mean the phone is capable of changing its resistance. So the question becomes, what criteria is it using to determine when to change the resistancr and to what?
-PW
This may be the longest thing ive ever typed on my phone.
I'm not disagreeing since, as you said, the mobile device manufactures have build in some safe guards so we don't fry them from incorrect chargers or over charging.
But there are charges that are 15v. I've have one that came with my ASUS Transformer Infinity Pad. I think many Samsung tablets are in the same boat. I don't recall using that charger on any of my smartphones; if I have, it's only been once or twice, but good possibility I may never have. But as stated earlier, I have used my phone chargers on the tablet, but only does a trickle charge. That tablet has some wide input plug at the end of the USB cord. I'm thinking one of the pins must not get enough power to trigger the full charge. Yet, if I use my Anker external battery, set it to 15v, and a few adapters, it triggers the normal charge cycle.
Don't forget,phones such as Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy S3, use 11pin microUSB ports versus the standard 5. I have no idea what all pins do or trigger, My assumption, part of your answer why the charge output varies lies with how they're use the other pins. I know quite a few tablets have more than 5 pins since the USB port is some wide thing; the ASUS does because it carries data and power for the separate keyboard that can be attached to be a suedo-laptop that has USB ports, battery and full 104 key keyboard; I don't recall what other ports the attachment may have.
I still hold that part of charge difference is also the USB cord itself since difference materials have difference resistance. It may not be as significant as the charger itself, but I've seen significant differences in charging times or depletion rates (around 10% battery per hour) using MHL adapters purely on the USB cables.
Yes, typing out long replies on the phone's virtual keyboard blows monkey chunks. Thus, I use a blue tooth keyboard instead for those situations. I also have a blue tooth mouse, LOL.