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Found this to be a very decent review of the N7

This is a fairly thorough review including different states for battery drain and lots more. Thought I would share.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012...on-googles-nexus-7-is-a-fantastic-200-tablet/

still no mention of audio quality over the headphone jack.
word is the default tegra3 chipset is very very bad for audio

That review has been talked about a lot, mostly in the Reviews topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1738374&page=4

Sorry. Must have missed it. Mod feel free to delete or move
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Yesh, I didn't like this part:
A few days after the Nexus 7 hit developers' hands, a number of outlets reported that the tablet has problems with ghosting. Bringing up an image and letting it set on the screen for a couple of minutes would leave an impression of the image on the screen for up to a few minutes after the user has navigated away. We were able to recreate the problem, and found high-contrast images were particularly susceptible to imprinting ghosts on the screen.
However, the more we tried to recreate it, the faster the effect seemed to fade after we navigated away from the ghosted image. Eventually it was fading in a matter of seconds. The problem seems to be related to whether the screen is warmed up or not—if the tablet hasn't been recently used, an idle image will remain ghosted on the display for at least a couple of minutes, even as users continually change what the screen is showing. But once it's been on for a while—even if the image is left up for up to ten minutes—the ghost fades in a couple of seconds. There definitely is a problem, but it doesn't strike us as serious. That's as long as it doesn't, for instance, get worse as the tablet gets older.
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I've never seen a tablet screen do this. Very disconcerting. As a side, what does the price of this do to other android tablet makers? Like imagine your Samsung, yeah it's great that you can take this OS for free and make a tablet but then google is selling a tablet at cost (cause they have other motives than selling widgets). I'm just wondering if this would make other hardware manufacturers bow out of the future generations of tablet making.

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As a side, what does the price of this do to other android tablet makers? Like imagine your Samsung, yeah it's great that you can take this OS for free and make a tablet but then google is selling a tablet at cost (cause they have other motives than selling widgets). I'm just wondering if this would make other hardware manufacturers bow out of the future generations of tablet making.
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The Kai platform was already designed to sell tablets at sub-$200 prices (presumably with a profit), and the profit for the 8GB Nexus was lower-bounded at $15. For the 16GB, probably much more.
So the tech to make profits at this level is already there, and I see this price competition as only a good thing. Of course, this is just a guess since we can't know exactly how well other companies are able to compete, but in the worst case scenario they can partner with NVIDIA (a terrible option for us consumers, but still an option).

Well, hopefully it's spurs on cheaper tablets and not companies pulling out of the tablet market.
But that ghosting thing has me concerned. I was putting aside my no sdcard/hdmi gripe and probably buying this. I still will probably but I'd like to see how bad the ghosting is.
And say something stays on the screen for a long time? Like a hud in a video game. Could it result in screen burn and not simply ghosting? Just a problem you never hear about with any display these days never mind tablets.
here's a write-up on with some screenshots:
http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-7-ghosting-issues-affect-some-displays-99349/
Hopefully, it's only with the white units that were given out at the google i/o but I don't see why? I can't see the displays changing so late in the game.

I don't have any ghosting, bad luck of them to get a bad batch.

Wow. Very good review. Its nice to see someone's view in writing. Reviewers are getting lazy lately. Casey brings a fresh view and insight to new tech. I'll look forward to her next writing.
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Ars Technica can go take a hike, they won't ever get a web hit from me ever again, they lost all credibility the moment they started employing fanboy writers like Ben Kuchera.
Without even reading it, I can predict what it will say, it will complain about the 1.6MP camera (despite the iPad2 having 700kP camera), it will complain about the lack of a MicroSD card (despite the iPad also not having any expandable storage). All these "tech" sites don't know their arse from their elbow, it's never a level playing field with them.
In their eyes, the iPad is the best things since sliced bread, because Apple just rolled up with a truckload of advertising cash. but when a product comes along that has similar limitations, but at half the price, they are the first to jump on the whinge bandwagon.
I also don't need to read reviews to tell me what I have bought is a fine product.

You should read the review before accusing them of biase.
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Yeah, like, that prediction was pretty much off in every way possible.

Regarding the image retention, sounds like I/O units only. Production units seem fine
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/the-nexus-7-has-surprisingly-bad-display-ghosting-just-take-a-look-at-these-photos/
Read Asus response at the top of the page

szqnl said:
Regarding the image retention, sounds like I/O units only. Production units seem fine
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/07/03/the-nexus-7-has-surprisingly-bad-display-ghosting-just-take-a-look-at-these-photos/
Read Asus response at the top of the page
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Nice to see they responded. I'm not a "stand in a pitch black room and measure light bleed" kind of guy so I wasn't really worried about it anyway, but hopefully the problem was limited to pre-production units as indicated.

Pretty fair review. My only gripes was the criticism regarding the split keyboard. Uhhh, we have about 10 options for split keyboards in the Market. They praised Apple's split keyboard, but they don't give users the options of switching to whatever keyboard you want. DUMB!
Also, I understand the criticism for the camera quality, but I don't really think it's fair. It's 1.2MP camera is on-par with the high-end devices out there. I would understand it if they complained about the lack of rear camera, but criticizing the quality of the front one is just not valid to me as their pedestal (new iPad) is much inferior in resolution.

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Pretty fair review. My only gripes was the criticism regarding the split keyboard. Uhhh, we have about 10 options for split keyboards in the Market. They praised Apple's split keyboard, but they don't give users the options of switching to whatever keyboard you want. DUMB!
Also, I understand the criticism for the camera quality, but I don't really think it's fair. It's 1.2MP camera is on-par with the high-end devices out there. I would understand it if they complained about the lack of rear camera, but criticizing the quality of the front one is just not valid to me as their pedestal (new iPad) is much inferior in resolution.
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actually the image definitely was way worse on skype than the ipad's, i wonder how much of that has to do with skype app. I know in the past the mlb at bat app video streaming was awful, but this years it's been just as nice as the iphone i think....

The kindle fire screen will ghost on max brightness. I think it is an IPS thing.
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Thanks for linking to this review.
The write-up seems fair to me. Yes, her overall judgement is not as glowing as most earlier reviewers'.
I take it as a compliment that she spent so much time comparing it to the newest iPad. She also trumpeted the Nexus 7's lower cost and stated it performs similarly to the iPad 2. That's not shabby.
I can't wait to receive mine. Ordered on June 30.

That's the best review for the Nexus 7 I've read so far. I like the comparison to the iPad.

A caved in and read the review (i made sure my advert blocker was on, as they don't deserve a y money from me). All the predictable gripes that are fine for an ipad costing over twice the price, and they video chat to an ipad and when I the picture quality wasn't upto scratch, blamed the nexus (despite camera pics being fine). It's likely it was actually the ipad decoding it poorly, because it wasn't native and proprietary apple quicktime
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4 Nexuses, each worse than the previous one - iPad time

I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.

From the evidence we have from the teardowns it seems there are 2 hardware defects causing the screen lift. These will most likely be consistent across all n7s. However the flickering and lines are rare screen defects, and the wash out issue is a software defect.
Either way I will use my nexus til the screen falls out lol
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Same here, gave up after 3 nexus 7s.
Also eagerly awaiting the 7" ipad

Some like the ipad.Maybe you will get a perfect one the first time and be happy.
I can't imagine getting rid of 4 devices for what seems like such a little thing as a slight screen lift myself.Once you put it in a case you would never have seen it again and I doubt if it would have ever caused a problem.Paying double the price for perceived perfection is an option than many would be better off doing from reading all the whining on threads on this site.Some people are just better off sticking with Apple.

Reminds me of the Xbox red ring of death. If you don't have it yet, you'll get it later on

my left side makes a noise when i put pressure on it. Its no biggy for me since i dont push on it. Acutally i dropped it from my bed so i guess thats why haha oh well
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Reminds me of the Xbox red ring of death. If you don't have it yet, you'll get it later on
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Yeah but your nexus wont die if theres a small lift on the screen. It will still work regardless.
For the xbox, rrod, and its done.

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my left side makes a noise when i put pressure on it. Its no biggy for me since i dont push on it. Acutally i dropped it from my bed so i guess thats why haha oh well
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Yeah but your nexus wont die if theres a small lift on the screen. It will still work regardless.
For the xbox, rrod, and its done.
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I was implying they both have a manufacturing defect that covers all devices. If you don't have it now, it may pop up down the road

I have very slight screen lift on left side but nothing worth returning but my volume rockers do not work I need to adjust it manually in settings but I installed a volume widget that took care of it its been 12 days since I got it I'm about to call Google about volume rocker I will need it if I decided to root it to navigate up & down in recovery
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You could use a touch based recovery, right?

Mines perfect as of right now.
Speaker is strong, screen looks good (not as good as my ips phone), fairly responsive at all times.
Ios is just so boring and isn't nice to look at. the homescreen system is just tiring.. everything happens a little too seamlessly. Lag adds substance as you feel something is happening lmao.
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The iPad certainly has better build quality and can also take a fair bit of hammer but you pay more for it, of course.
Unfortunately my iPad came with defect too, it had iOS on it

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I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.
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Fortunately mine does not share these faults. However, I would hazard a guess that people who pull their NX7 in and out of the official grey ASUS cover will pop a screen for sure. In that regard, the CaseCrown neoprene travel case I also bought is much kinder.
Sorry to hear of your issues
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What a lame story. Plenty of good tablets around. Just change the rom if you don't want a skin on it.
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I hope OHA patent none 9.7" tabs to troll apple
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Android tablets are having some real quality issues. I had the transformer prime and that was a nightmare. I ended up with an ipad2 after the prime, but really like the idea of a 7 inch tablet to have with the 10 inch tablet. A repeat of similar build quality issues stopped me in my tracks from buying. Until Android tablet manufacturers get their act together like they have for cell phones, Android tablet sales will always lag Apple. If hardware quality is ever resolved, then there is the lack of quality applications like there is for the iPad.
What really blew me away was some data surrounding Samsung tablets that came out during the Samsung/Apple trial, which I'm surprised nobody is talking about more. Basically, Samsung is experiencing approximately a 25% return rate, Apple claimed is due to customers buying Samsung tablets thinking they are iPads. Samsung countered stating that the 25% return rate is due to quality and manufacturing defects, not confusion with the iPad. Sorry, but a 25% return rate due to quality and manufacturing defects is way too high for me. Based solely on forum activity, the Asus forums are far more active than Samsung with users complaining about quality issues. Kinda makes me wonder what the return rate is for Asus.

Yes, for you ... go with an iPad if that will make you happy.
Ok?
Good boy ...
po96od said:
I really wanted to love this device, but I have to conclude that the manufacturing process is fatally flawed. I'll be warning people away from these every chance I get, and for myself, biting the bullet and going to the fruit store.
1st Nexus - slight screen lift at the lower left, just enough to be noticeable
2nd Nexus - worse screen lift, plus a dead pixel in the lower corner
3rd Nexus - extremely bad screen lift all down the left side
4th Nexus - barely visible screen lift. For a moment I thought I had a winner, but! It turns out the entire upper half of the left side pops and clicks with the slightest pressure, obviously not fastened well underneath.
Given the consistency of these issues, it's pretty clear that there are systemic issues with the manufacture of these devices. I'd bet good money that most of the units people currently think are just fine also have these problems. I predict many, many Nexus screens will gradually loosen on the left side and begin exhibiting these same symptoms within a few months, leading to many more threads like this, but started by people who are way past the return window and about to be forced to deal with Asus's warranty process instead.
So yeah, I'm jumping ship and waiting for the iPad mini instead (or just buying a full-sized iPad if the mini is just a rumor), despite the fact that I much prefer Android as an OS. While I could obviously buy some other Android tablet with better build quality, the reality is that (a) they all have crappy OEM skins that slow them down and ruin the AOSP experience, and (b) none of them will get long-term manufacturer support -- non-Nexus Android devices are invariably abandoned by their manufacturers in under a year. I don't know of a single counterexample. Any Apple gadget, OTOH, despite its shortcomings in terms of its OS, will be a solid, reliable, well-manufactured device good for two or even three years of ongoing upgrades and support.
I'll be sticking with Android phones, but I'm tired of waiting around for a decent Android tablet to appear. I'll come back from the dark side when (if?) Google manages to get its act a little more together.
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Sorry, I got it wrong.
"Browser crashes, lack of screen sensitivity, and Wi-Fi connectivity issues accounted for 25 percent of the returns. Screen lag, short battery life, and sync issues accounted for another 17 percent. The Honeycomb operating system learning curve caused ten percent of the returns, with nine percent returning the device after mistakenly thinking they were buying an iPad."
Read more: http://www.electronista.com/article...pples.claims.by.interpretation/#ixzz23nTWvsOM
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"return rate for the Android tablet is as high as 15 percent. Apple's iPad in contrast saw just a two percent return rate and hinted that there was brewing dissatisfaction with the Galaxy Tab."
Read more: http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/02/01/study.says.galaxy.tab.returns.very.high/#ixzz23nUXQuRY
More info
http://www.maclife.com/article/news/report_android’s_dirty_secret_return_rate_high_40_percent

BostonDan2 said:
Android tablets are having some real quality issues. I had the transformer prime and that was a nightmare. I ended up with an ipad2 after the prime, but really like the idea of a 7 inch tablet to have with the 10 inch tablet. A repeat of similar build quality issues stopped me in my tracks from buying. Until Android tablet manufacturers get their act together like they have for cell phones, Android tablet sales will always lag Apple. If hardware quality is ever resolved, then there is the lack of quality applications like there is for the iPad.
What really blew me away was some data surrounding Samsung tablets that came out during the Samsung/Apple trial, which I'm surprised nobody is talking about more. Basically, Samsung is experiencing approximately a 25% return rate, Apple claimed is due to customers buying Samsung tablets thinking they are iPads. Samsung countered stating that the 25% return rate is due to quality and manufacturing defects, not confusion with the iPad. Sorry, but a 25% return rate due to quality and manufacturing defects is way too high for me. Based solely on forum activity, the Asus forums are far more active than Samsung with users complaining about quality issues. Kinda makes me wonder what the return rate is for Asus.
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Very good points, that's why I returned my nexus 7 and am currently waiting for the so called ipad mini

Well I've had 4 Samsung tabs and 1 Asus tab and not had 1 problem with any of them..
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got mine yesterday.. screen lift on left side .. felt super spongy when holding it with my left hand. Second one is on it's way. I'll allow 3 strikes then I'm just going to get a refund. When you drop 300 bux on something you shouldn't just have to live with manufacture defects.

Did we all really expect to get a quality tablet at a starting price of 199$???

Well, as soon as I purchased my Nexus 7 tab and received it I thought to my self for 199$ I just robbed Google for this high spec tech giant of a tablet, packing a 1280x800 HD display, Tegra 3 CPU, 12 core GPU, 1 GB of RAM, NFC, GPS and Jelly Bean! WOW! and the list goes on and on and I thought I just couldn't complain even if I tried to. The first thing I wanted to do was to test it out with some apps and ROMs and kernel's and then the second thing was to hop on XDA Nexus 7 general thread to see if I missed any cons after my tests with the device and boy was there a lot of unhappy people with a lot of issues. So, I checked my device for dead pixels, screen lift, blown speakers and screen flicker...I thank GOD that I didn't have any of the issues stated, but I asked myself after seeing all of these people returning, upset, and bashing Asus and Google for quality issues, I thought to myself, if this had happened to me would I be among the bashing group? After a deep breath and thinking after all this is a 199$ premium spec tablet and with specs like this given for a price like 199$ and issues I've seen hardly even looked like a issue, hell! I wouldn't mind buying another for the bathroom as a electronic newspaper when I'm taking a LMAO! So guys, at a price like this for Nexus high spec like this I would have still purchased it even if it didn't have a chassis!
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Please post pictures of you defective Nexus 7's THANKS!
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You'd feel differently if your screen was lifted so badly that when you pressed on it, the screen cracked. This has actually happened to a few people. Being a good value isn't an excuse for poor quality control.

AZImmortal said:
You'd feel differently if your screen was lifted so badly that when you pressed on it, the screen cracked. This has actually happened to a few people. Being a good value isn't an excuse for poor quality control.
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QFT.

Normally I would agree with the expectation that a $199 tablet would feel like a toy, but that was until I owned a Kindle Fire. That thing is built like a tank for the same $199, and its build quality I think is something I've never seen a complaint about despite the low price. So after owning a Fire, I would say I did expect the same sort of solid build quality at $199 out of the Nexus 7. Packing in high end internal hardware is no excuse to cheap out and have exterior bits and pieces failing, screens not calibrated well, etc etc. IMO for the sake of the manufacturer's reputation, either do it right or don't do it at all.
Whoever built the Kindle Fire is who Google should contract for the next Nexus tablet...

Google made this with the intent on gaining market share. I'm sure they make little to no money on the tablet itself. It all come from the Play Store.
That being said, I would still expect Google and Asus to put out a quality product, regardless of price. Now, I thankfully haven't had any issues, but if I did, I would still be upset. $200 is still a good chunk of change.
I cannot imagine that these two companies are happy that they have released a product with so many defects. Thankfully it seems that that they are handling the issues quickly and being helpful. Too bad they don't get any credit for that.
All said, I am very happy with my purchase, and feel better knowing if an issue does arise, I will be taken care of.
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AZImmortal said:
You'd feel differently if your screen was lifted so badly that when you pressed on it, the screen cracked. This has actually happened to a few people. Being a good value isn't an excuse for poor quality control.
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Not really! For 199$ I would suck it up and not make a big deal about small issues.
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Not really! For 199$ I would suck it up and not make a big deal about small issues.
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Your first post was on the money, but I find it hard to believe you wouldn't care if your screen shattered due to poor build quality
I think most people would understandably be a little bit mad lol.
I've got minor screen lift on mine, and zero ****s given. It is an amazing device and the more I use it the more I love it.
It seems to have matured a bit over time too, had a rocky start with a bit of lag etc, maybe that was because I didn't know how to close backgrounded apps at first lol.
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Mungulz said:
Your first post was on the money, but I find it hard to believe you wouldn't care if your screen shattered due to poor build quality
I think most people would understandably be a little bit mad lol.
I've got minor screen lift on mine, and zero ****s given. It is an amazing device and the more I use it the more I love it.
It seems to have matured a bit over time too, had a rocky start with a bit of lag etc, maybe that was because I didn't know how to close backgrounded apps at first lol.
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I too think people have out of kilter expectations, and they are being manipulated by the Apple shills into RMAing perfect good units, because they have been lead to believe that screen lift will get worse etc.
It's all part of the delaying plan whilst Apple prepare their 7in tablet.
I know of 7 Nexus7's with friends and family and all of them are perfect to our specifications. My mothers has a small amount of screen lift, but she will never notice it, and it has no effect on daily use. I'm also pretty sure that before the internet age, there wouldn't be this sheep mentality into RMAing units... Those people wouldn't have even noticed these things.

CrazyPeter said:
I too think people have out of kilter expectations, and they are being manipulated by the Apple shills into RMAing perfect good units, because they have been lead to believe that screen lift will get worse etc.
It's all part of the delaying plan whilst Apple prepare their 7in tablet.
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Apple shills, I love it! I'm totally prepared to believe this as a fervent Apple-hater. Is there an evidence? I so want there to be!

I picked up one last night(office depot) a C70 batch. Expected a quality product and got one. Very happy.

I guess it sounds strange around here, but yes. I do expect to buy a quality product. And I believe some people have gotten quality Nexus 7, so it's not like we are expecting the impossible.
Just waiting for ASUS to consistently reproduce that quality.

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I picked up one last night(office depot) a C70 batch. Expected a quality product and got one. Very happy.
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Nice! I thought I was the only one.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I bought one of these because it was the first Google tablet and it has pure, unadulterated Jelly Bean. With a Nexus device, you don't need to worry about app compatibility or updates. Your tablet is the only officially supported Android tablet.
Tell me what other, more luxuriant tablet has this much to offer in terms of software and compatibility. Then you can criticize me for being cheap.
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I too think people have out of kilter expectations, and they are being manipulated by the Apple shills into RMAing perfect good units, because they have been lead to believe that screen lift will get worse etc.
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Google CSRs have been telling customers that any screen lifting at all should be exchanged. We've been infiltrating the intern placement program in Cupertino for months, and when they corralled us into answering phones our preparations were complete.
Steve has a moustache. I repeat, Steve has a long moustache.
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I expected quality and I got it
I agree and disagree to certain extents.
The screen lifting is definitely inexcusable, although I'm still a believer of the idea that these forums makes the % of defective units sound a lot higher than it actually is.
However, there are a lot of other things that people are just being ridiculously OCD about:
1. Backlight bleed. Okay, I dont have it on this unit, but I've had it on my phones in the past, a bit on my 20" Dell IPS monitor and even some of my $1k+ TVs (thankfully not on my newest 50" plasma ;D). Considering the problem is really only obvious at a pure black screen and high brightness, I dont consider it a problem. Its more of a inherent disadvantage of using these kinds of displays.
2. Dead pixels. Same as above... My monitor has a dead pixel somewhere, although after years of using it I dont even remember where it is anymore. My 42" Toshiba LCD has two "stuck" pixels (one red one green) on the screen, bothered me for the first two weeks of owning it, but literally impossible to notice under normal use. Again, its an inherent disadvantage. Unless you have a good few dead pixels scattered all over the screen, just deal with it.
3. The flickering issue. I tried this myself; couldnt replicate it. Then I was told I need to have only 1 bar of WiFi signal, max brightness, light background, and be downloading a large file while keeping the screen on for at least a few minutes to begin noticing the issue... WHAT THE HELL? Are people serious about this one... its just stupid.
4. Multi-touch Axis crossing. I made a post on the thread and attached my own youtube video. My N7 doesnt have the issue unless I use four fingers in a square formation with all axis overlapping. Two fingers pose no problem.
Discovered that my G2 has the same issue, after years of using and not noticing a problem.
Not sure how real this issue is, but I guess if my device went wonky with just two fingers I'd be annoyed too.
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Nippero said:
I expected quality and I got it
I agree and disagree to certain extents.
The screen lifting is definitely inexcusable, although I'm still a believer of the idea that these forums makes the % of defective units sound a lot higher than it actually is.
However, there are a lot of other things that people are just being ridiculously OCD about:
1. Backlight bleed. Okay, I dont have it on this unit, but I've had it on my phones in the past, a bit on my 20" Dell IPS monitor and even some of my $1k+ TVs (thankfully not on my newest 50" plasma ;D). Considering the problem is really only obvious at a pure black screen and high brightness, I dont consider it a problem. Its more of a inherent disadvantage of using these kinds of displays.
2. Dead pixels. Same as above... My monitor has a dead pixel somewhere, although after years of using it I dont even remember where it is anymore. My 42" Toshiba LCD has two "stuck" pixels (one red one green) on the screen, bothered me for the first two weeks of owning it, but literally impossible to notice under normal use. Again, its an inherent disadvantage. Unless you have a good few dead pixels scattered all over the screen, just deal with it.
3. The flickering issue. I tried this myself; couldnt replicate it. Then I was told I need to have only 1 bar of WiFi signal, max brightness, light background, and be downloading a large file while keeping the screen on for at least a few minutes to begin noticing the issue... WHAT THE HELL? Are people serious about this one... its just stupid.
4. Multi-touch Axis crossing. I made a post on the thread and attached my own youtube video. My N7 doesnt have the issue unless I use four fingers in a square formation with all axis overlapping. Two fingers pose no problem.
Discovered that my G2 has the same issue, after years of using and not noticing a problem.
Not sure how real this issue is, but I guess if my device went wonky with just two fingers I'd be annoyed too.
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While i do expect to get a quality product with anything I buy, I couldn't agree more in terms of the over the top OCD. When I first opened my N7 from its packaging my first thought I had was WOW! I honestly thought the silver bezel was metal simply because the build quality felt so good. We all know the under the hood specs are top notch and it came sporting Jelly Bean. Do some units have a few early launch manufacturing flaws? Sure but that's usually the case with most new devices. So for $199/$249 I think ASUS and Google hit the nail on the head. Im 100% happy with my purchase.
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Well, I don't know about other countries but when the tablet gets to Sweden they are gonna lose very much cash if they don't fix these problems as the laws are very good for customers. For example, if having to return the same product twice/2 repairs without any difference you can claim your money back.
Expecting a perfect device or not it should be working as it is stated to do. I would not accept a device with the screen moving around when touching it for example, that is not how it is supposed to be.

What a silly question.
I expect to get quality on any device I purchase...especially a Nexus device.
That said, I have a tiny smidgen of screen lift, so minute that I had to really look for it to see it. I do not care.

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4. Multi-touch Axis crossing. I made a post on the thread and attached my own youtube video. My N7 doesnt have the issue unless I use four fingers in a square formation with all axis overlapping. Two fingers pose no problem.
Discovered that my G2 has the same issue, after years of using and not noticing a problem.
Not sure how real this issue is, but I guess if my device went wonky with just two fingers I'd be annoyed too.
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See my response in that thread. It's a real issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30614118

I'd like to thank Mungulz, but I'm out of thanks for the day, so a "high-five" will have to do.
^5 Mungulz
I, too, had screen lift, and was able to repair it, myself. I also had a noticeable creak I was able to MacGuyver away with little effort.
I must say this is one hell of a device for two-hundred bucks, but if my homegrown fix hadn't worked on the screen lift, I would have surely RMA'd it after a couple of months (as others have done/are doing).
Had I had screen lift to the point where it cracked, I would have been quite (righteously) sore at Google/Asus, but would have definitely not taken things to the extremes I've seen on these forums.

Yes we did expect a quality product. And we got one.
Everyone has issues in their initial roll out, and Google seems to have corrected the issues in their next batch. So if you have a defective device, hold onto it for a little bit. Once the next batch reaches wide circulation, call Google and get a replacement. Problem solved.

[Q] Are all the complaints about the HTC one actual complaints?

I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?

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I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?
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I've had HTC devices for 11 years (apart from a 1 year break for iPhone 3GS). Yes, the software updates are slow, and always have been. But the after-sales service from HTC is very good. I've had a few phones repaired and replaced without any issues.
As for the HTC One, I don't have any gaps in the body of the device. I'm on my second One. I returned the first one to the network due to their poor coverage and moved to another network. I wouldn't have got a second One if the first device was not the best around. It really is the best phone IMO available. The build quality is fantastic (better than Apple devices, and I love my iPad) and Sense 5 is so much smoother and nicer than Sense 4.
I think vigoos comment is an indication that all the negative comments will come from Samsung owners.

I was only using the updates and the gap as examples. Reading through the forums, there have been loads of different complaints such as static when sound effects play and the back button sensitivity (which I know is supposedly getting fixed).
My point is the number of different complaints. I'm wondering if its just a bias given that only the people who will complain about it are the ones posting when its really a non-issue. So far the phone looks amazing, I just want to make sure I'm not surprised later on down the road with problems.

Yes, every device forum is full of problems.

razor thin gaps is a NON issue, those that complain about it quote the marketing info.
I have gaps on top and bottom lol but i don't see them, cos my focus is on the insanely sharp and awesome 4.7" screen
OP, this phone is insane, go check it out, so what if you have tiny gaps, it doesn't make any difference to how you use the phone!

Id go to a store, pick up and try the phones. There arent any real issues with the one.
Its a quality device, out of all the phones i looked at, it was easily the nicest
Id also like to point out, my last 3 iphones had more imperfections than my one

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I was only using the updates and the gap as examples. Reading through the forums, there have been loads of different complaints such as static when sound effects play and the back button sensitivity (which I know is supposedly getting fixed).
My point is the number of different complaints. I'm wondering if its just a bias given that only the people who will complain about it are the ones posting when its really a non-issue. So far the phone looks amazing, I just want to make sure I'm not surprised later on down the road with problems.
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BTW my post wasn't "aimed" at you so much just about the people who keep going on about HTC being awful when it comes to updates as it is a load of BS as pointed out by myself and other users. People simply think Samsung are far better in the update department because they were "first" to bring JB, don't know about you but there is far more to an update than just the time that it arrives. Obviously some companies take the piss when it comes to providing the update on a timely manner i.e. sony
Haven't seen many people complain about the sound, as for the capacitive buttons, that has been fixed/improved with 1.29.
I think there is a lot of confusion regarding the gap "issue" as people are expecting the one to live up to its marketing term "zero gap" but that only applies to the machined aluminium body part, the speaker covers aren't part of that process.
At the end of the day, you get a ton of paranoid people here, go on every device forum and you will see people expressing problems even the GS 4 sub forum. Also you only ever get people posting the bad stuff, hardly ever the good stuff.
There are always going to be issues with the first batch as they are rushed out and/or the manufacture process needs to be tweaked/perfected.
You get a phone that has a problem, return it for a replacement.
Considering the quality of the HTC one chassis, I would say that they have done a very good, HTC don't keep the same design for each phone and they put a lot of thought into it so to only have a few problems, as I said, they aren't even problems, simply imperfections, it is pretty impressive, Samsung have had the same design more or less since the GS 1 so have had time to perfect/improve the build quality and it is much easier to deal/work with plastic than aluminium
Good to see that HTC "might" be bringing the JB update to the sensation, should keep the HTC haters at bay regarding this area then........ (at least some of them anyway)

Rule #1, Update releases will never be fast enough for anyone in this forum.
That said I've used phones from every mfg and HTC is better than some not as good as others but they've improved IMO recently.
I would suggest buying a non-carrier branded version if you're in an area that can as those will generally get updates direct from HTC faster than a carrier branded version.
MG

It is THE ONE
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I've noticed a plethora of complaints, ranging from HTC being notoriously bad with updates to gaps in the body of the device. Are these complaints worth not getting the phone, or are they just from people who need to complain and are blowing it out of proportion?
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DISCLAIMER: this ofcourse is my own personal opinion.
It's true, the updates are slow, but you'll still get them even after a year. I think HTC is pretty good at repairing/replacing malfunctioning units, no complaints there. The HTC One build quality is insane, no flaws in my unit and if there's really a gap in the body of your device, I'm 100% sure HTC will replace or fix it.
My advice: if removable storage/battery are not a big deal to you, I can honestly say the HTC One is without a doubt the best smartphone out there, you won't be dissapointed. Reviews are insanely positive, saying it's near perfection. S4 only has some more software features which I don't see my self using (and the removable storage and battery ofc).
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Tell me one thing guys: Can't anybody start a thread here without some fanbois trying to fight their wars on it?
Get a life! Nobody cares if you like your phone more than any thing else. Just stay away!
If you read the OP (if you are capable only, ofc) you will see that he didn't ask for a comparison to any other phone. So stop that nonsense. Either answer the question he posted or stay out.

Underwhelmed by Nexus 5

Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.

Bummer. I'm really happy with mine. Well good luck to you.

cant put mine down. really love how it looks and feels. also its super fast with the nova launcher.

Battery life is good to me. I'm all stock and not rooted. I will believe you have good battery life once I seen your screenshots from the HTC.
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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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No reason regretting your purchase. No one is ever stuck with a phone when they have one that is worth some money. Sell the N5 and you will make more than enough to get a HTC ONE or trade someone strait up. It sounds like you are a HTC fan and not really fond of stock android and that is okay.
Have you heard the speakers after the 4.4.2 update? They sound MUCH better to me.

Legit...
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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.

I'll trade straight up
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Fair assessment as everyone is different. I think you should stick to HTC if you want excellent hardware. The Nexus program is all about software and how Google perceives what Android should be to the end user (speed, quick updates, no bloatware). There will always be sacrifices (hardware) to achieve the price point Google must accomplish. After the 4.4.1 or 4.4.2 depending when you received your OTA, the volume is quite loud but of course not as loud as the HTC One. The LED is brighter then the N4 version.
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I have an HTC One (Verizon) that I dropped as soon as the Nexus 5 came out. There's no looking back for me, as I previously had a Nexus 4 and left it for the One. I'm back on T-Mobile, and back with the Nexus line, and I love it. So if you're really looking to dump your N5 and get back to HTC, send me a PM. I'll trade you straight up. My HTC One is Mint.

I've owned a few htc and samsung phones, also a galaxy nexus and a nexus 4, and for me the nexus 5 is the best device (looks+performance) i ever owned. Period.
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I somewhat agree with you. My first N5 had the speaker problem. I returned it and my replacement sounds good now. It is plenty loud, but I would like a little bit better sound quality. Instead of one speaker and one faux speaker, two speakers would have been nice. My battery lasts me all day with even heavy use. By far, the biggest battery hog is the screen. I use Lux for better brightness controls, and Tasker to turn on/off wifi, data, GPS, and other battery thieves automatically. See my screen shot.
As stated by others, having a Nexus is more about the operating system and not the hardware. I use a Nexus for all the custom mods and Roms. You can't have a better device than the latest Nexus for that.

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Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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I was in your shoes.. Decided to let the N5 go.. And I was a big fan of the N4. The size, the feel in hand, the bad cracking speaker, I just wasn't happy with it.

ausaras said:
Order Nexus 5 as soon as it came out. I had high hopes for N5 from what I see on the internet. Great hardware spec and rather handsome looking.
My previous android phones were Acer Liquid, HTC Sensation, and HTC One S. I was choosing between blue HTC One and white Nexus 5 to replace my One S. Nexus 5's price and top spec won out.
When I finally held it in my hand, I thought "Ok, it doesn't feel as solid compared to One S but still not bad".
Then I started playing with it. Very smooth and fast, and the screen is gorgeous!
But after a month with it, I have an itching regret about getting it.
First is the speaker...I am no audiophile but damn...N5's speaker is really bad compared to One S. I turned the volume down to the last volume step and it is still pretty loud for me. I even edited framework.jar to increase the volume steps from 7 to 15 but even after this, it still sounded the same at the last volume step. I think the sound range of N5 speaker is very limited or something. One S speaker was able to sound very quiet but still clear.
Second is the battery life...drains very fast compared to One S. This could be due to the Full HD screen of N5 or relatively new KitKat. Another interpretation would be...Google is more honest about reporting the true battery life
Third is the LED...I think N5 has the ugliest looking LED on a phone I have seen. It's hard to describe but it is not fully rounded and with some other color mixed in on the peripheral of the LED.
I hope I don't come off as blasting N5 but with N5, I can tolerate it but not love it like my previous phones. Probably the last time I will get a LG built Nexus...from what I gather N4 also had horrible speaker and not so stellar battery life.
But getting a Nexus is about getting the latest Android. I really hope Google will go with someone else for Nexus 6, or I hope HTC's next year flagship will sell well so that there is more developer support.
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Well.... in regards to the feel of the phone.... a lot of people went with the black N5, simply because of the different back panel. The white N5's panel is more of a smooth plastic, whereas the black is what i can best describe as slightly rubberized. Does feel quite nice, at least to me, coming from a Motorola Atrix 4g and a Galaxy S3.
As for the built-in speaker.... it's rare to find a phone where they're reasonable.... HTC One aside. It only has one tiny speaker, but still sounds FAR better than my GS3 and Atrix did. But i don't really use the speaker for much... so that doesn't really bother me.
Battery life.... i dunno... i have to say i think it does fairly well. Lasts a fair bit longer than my S3 did with similar usage, and even on the stock ROM.
As for the LED.... it IS "fully rounded"... it just has a bit of a dithered outside edge. I'm assuming that's to try and make it appear as less of a beacon of light in a dark room when it's flashing (Like my S3's notification LED was). As for "colors mixed in along the edge".... uuh.... you DO understand how RGB LED's work, right? They essentially have three semiconductor sets that, when current is applied, light up in a different color. One red, one blue, one green. Which is usually why they can only really do variations on those three colors very well... not so much with a custom color. If you look at the LED when it's trying to recreate "white".... you'll see that around the edge, it looks like there's some red, green, and blue there, too. That's because there is. It's how they create white light with RGB LED's. It's probably not really visible on some other phones because they probably do more to hide the outside edges of the LED. Kinda like how HTC seems to have a thing for hiding it in the speaker/headphone grille.

I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.

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I feel like a lot of people are buying this phone without doing enough homework to know what they're purchasing. If you've actually read a couple reviews of the phone or spent any amount of time in these forums, there should be absolutely no surprises. Either know what you're spending your $400 on or don't complain when it doesn't live up to your uninformed expectations.
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That's why it was better when carriers didn't sell the nexus. Nobody out of the development world knew about them
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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five

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Coming from a GS4 and never regretted the UPGRADE for a second
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Had a GS4 too with a 64gb micro-SD, I was a little apprehensive at first, mostly due to the storage downgrade. But now, having my N5 for about 3 weeks, I don't regret it at all.

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They are entitled to their gripes as you are your praises......all 502 of them....Do we need as many of those types of posts as well? This is the daily internet, why so surprised? Anyway, I see no big deal that OP is underwhelmed, just sharing is opinion. And he gave his reasons. Not everyone is going to like the same things. You internet people need to relax a little. Or not. Your choice. Stress free is the way to be, high five
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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.

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My point is that if you actually do your research before dropping a few hundred bucks and know what you're getting into BEFOREHAND (y'know, making a purchase as an informed consumer), it's pretty much a guarantee that you won't be underwhelmed or disappointed. Just sayin'.
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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...

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To be fair, LG is having problems with quality control, and they also did do a sloppy job with the hardware design both which is causing quite a number of people to complain about the vibration loudness and lack of feedback which seems to worsen over time, and piping sound of the speakers and glue muffling the sound. Not to mention the issues with audio quality pointed out by Anandtech. These are things that can't be excused by the N5's low cost. The N5 does have the worst screen out of all the Android flagships with its crappy diagonal viewing angles, but better panels do cost more.
Anyway, I am happy with my Nexus 5, but any brand does have its fanboys, and they praise their brand and its products to the point of delusion the Nexus line is no exception. What I do find annoying are the clowns frowning on "newbs" and whining about how the Nexus line is only "understood" by developers and should be exclusive to developers. What a load of garbage...
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Again, absolutely none of this is a surprise if you educate yourself about the product you're buying. It has nothing to do with fanboyism.
I will say, though, that I totally disagree with your assessment of the screen. I don't have a single use case that requires me to view the phone diagonally and off-axis. Viewing angles are great from the sides, top, and bottom, and that's all I need. To each his own.

You guys fail to realize this is a cheaply made $350 device. Stop comparing it to devices double the price
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