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1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
I will join you in this boycott.
I currently have an unlocked i9100 I'm using, and I was SERIOUSLY considering picking up one of these because a) I want to get on an unlimited LTE plan asap as I assume ATT being the douche-nozzles they are will surely take it away soon and b) for use as an LTE modem essentially since I have such a hard time getting data service in downtown chicago. Not anymore! (unfortunately, I also can't justify buying the skyrocket when I already have the gsII, would have been fun to have something different to play with)
I agree, this bootloader locking is BS. Samsung has phones on every carrier, none of them with locked bootloaders. Even my mom's Charge on Verizon (gag) is unlocked.
Well crap! This isn't what I'd like to have seen from you attn1, but at the same time, I'm sure you're tired of holding ppl's hand to try and root/s-off their phones w/your tool.
Le sigh, I was lookin forward to this and hopefully using another fine piece of attn1 software.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I'm not sure what connection issues you are referring to. This is the first I've heard anyone mention that.
I live in an LTE area but work in an HSPA area. No connection issues anywhere, regardless of LTE or not.
I have the SkyRocket though.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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No, carriers do NOT have to agree, as evidenced by current offerings from Samsung, LG and Sony. HTC is using carriers as a excuse to do what they want anyway. Their competition is not. Regardless of who's issue it is, not buying such a device is the best course of action, and if sales are down significantly, will drive change. Even if it doesn't, anyone lurking around on XDA developers would be infinitely better off with a more open device.
I agree somewhat with you, however things to keep in mind.
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
2. Have you contacted HTC as of yet? I have and they said Bootloader shouldn't be locked and if it is ALL devices get an unlock code. I tried to Unlock, and given the device launched on Sunday I am not surprised.
3. HTC is not the only one locking bootloaders, Motorola is FAR WORSE.
Personally I like the phone. I do place custom roms on my devices. As a previous owner of the Droid X and Atrix, I have experienced locked bootloaders.
This phone for me is better than the SGS2. Quirks of the SGS2 Rom with Touch Wiz and not a fully functioning CM yet it wasn't good.
I'l just start off by saying I am not a developer and don't know much about bootloaders and such.. going from a Captivate to the Vivid, I already see a difference in support of development. Is it really this bad?
I'm loving the Vivid as it is, and I HATE stock ROMs, all of them. I just hope that things may change for current Vivid owners.. after all, it's only been two days.
I'm really disappointed with what I'm reading. The Vivid is my first Android device that I've purchased on AT&T, and so far it seems like a great phone. But if devs are saying the device should be boycotted, that doesn't seem like a good sign for future development support.
I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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I had a Vibrant, and when I switched to AT&T, the Infuse was the only good phone on AT&T (I mainly did not want to give up SAMOLED).
I do not want to get another samsung phone, but if I have to get the skyrocket because of HTC's lies, I will.
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I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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Yeah. I mean so what if they may have been hypocritical in promising things they have yet to follow up on. At least give it some time. Something is better than nothing.
Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
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Not true - it may or may not void the warranty, depending on the nature of the problem. That gray area is what HTC fears will cost money. I didn't say AT&T would care about warranty. I said HTC would.
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Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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Recent phones from LG like the Thrill and the 2GS have been unlockable.
All the recent Samsungs are easily unlockable.
HTC already has an unlock for this device - (on Rogers) and excluded AT&T - one of their largest markets.
Hi everyone, first post, go easy on me
Anyway, I picked one of these up at the weekend and I'm very happy with it, but I'd like to try the new roms that are starting to appear. Unfortunately, I'm not able to unlock my bootloader (Bootloader unlock allowed: No). This is on Three UK.
Is there ever likely to be a workaround for this?
I'm gutted
I have the same thing on mine (T-mobile Croatia), I reckon it's a network carrier lock.
But if I have faith in something, then it's in XDA, the place where people turn "you can't do that" into "you can, it's just that no one found a way for it YET"
Let us be patient and see what will happen.
mine is the same
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Same here on O2 UK. I've just arranged sending the XZ back to O2, with this being one of the major factors that made me decide to wait for the S4. Shame.
JJ
stryker.jp said:
mine is the same
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
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That means one thing no fun with xperia z on xda-developers at least for now :crying:
GOOD LUCK
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Orange Poland.
I can't root my device
That's why I got my phone from a third party (CPW/P4U/etc) they nearly always supply generic handsets that are unlocked and bloat free.
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That's why I got my phone from a third party (CPW/P4U/etc) they nearly always supply generic handsets that are unlocked and bloat free.
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Yup. Always purchase unlocked devices. NEVER count on a manufacturer's locking mechanisms being broken, nor on the lock mechanism returning somehow. (Qualcomm's secure boot infrastructure is quite strong, so it's rare for it to be compromised unless the OEM handset manufacturer screws up. Since the T's locking was never defeated, I wouldn't hold much hope for the Z.)
Vote with your wallet - don't buy a device unless it's unlocked. If you buy a locked-down device and rely on "unsupported" locking mechanisms, you are implicitly saying that you are OK with locked-down devices.
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AW: Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Branded and/or sim locked Sonys are usually not unlockable. This is documented well enough.
As Entropy said, either buy generic devices from the open market which come slim and neat to begin with or go with an operator which doesn't sim lock or brand devices sold by it.
I can recommend mine, sells devices subsidized if you wish yet still unlockable and the only branding to be found are a different SI than "generic", so I only suffer from delayed updates and nothing else
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Yup. Always purchase unlocked devices. NEVER count on a manufacturer's locking mechanisms being broken, nor on the lock mechanism returning somehow. (Qualcomm's secure boot infrastructure is quite strong, so it's rare for it to be compromised unless the OEM handset manufacturer screws up. Since the T's locking was never defeated, I wouldn't hold much hope for the Z.)
Vote with your wallet - don't buy a device unless it's unlocked. If you buy a locked-down device and rely on "unsupported" locking mechanisms, you are implicitly saying that you are OK with locked-down devices.
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I bought a outright supposedly unlocked Xperia TX for a Sony Central store in Sydney then only to find out it was actually vodafone stock with a locked bootloader.
Hi, can some one help me out here.
I have a XZ which has unlockable bootloader. I have unlocked it and rooted and installed recovery kernal and Xperia Z Revolution rom. All ok.
Now, was just seeing if I ever needed to send phone off for repairs.
So downloaded the lastest flashtool and was successful enough to restore back to the 10.1.A.1.350 Original Sony Unbranded UK Rom.
With flashtool you can now lock the bootloader, so I went ahead and did this but now when checking the bootloader status, it says "Rooting Status: Unknown" and when entering my unlock code in CMD "Failed <remote: Command did not succeed>
How do I fix this so I can unlock the bootloader again?
I don't think your locked. You probably are still unlocked as we cannot relock bootloader yet
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I don't think your locked. You probably are still unlocked as we cannot relock bootloader yet
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Androxyde says we can?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38912420&postcount=29
That's why I tried to lock bootloader after reading that.
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Androxyde says we can?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38912420&postcount=29
That's why I tried to lock bootloader after reading that.
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Aaah. I misread your post. Have u tried unlocking through flashtool
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xl VipeR lx said:
Aaah. I misread your post. Have u tried unlocking through flashtool
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Yeah, get the same error as in cmd.
Contact the dev. They might know more
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Yes I will do, just need to get my post count over 10 before I can post in the development threads.
Don't want to bother people with PM's either.
Let me know how it goes. I was thinking of unlocking and relocking. Out of curiosity. Is your bravia engine working now that you relocked
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Hi all.
First of all let me explain myself, I am a noob but not a total idiot so I am where I am through rational consideration.
I have renewed my contract on three UK, which has just expired. The number one consideration for me is that I have full, unlimited access to the internet with tethering and the only option for this in the UK is on three, on the contract I was already on. Three have an excellent 3g network and are in the process of giving DC-HSPA access and will get LTE-4g before the end of the year. I am guaranteed to automatically get the higher speeds when they are available, still with unlimited tethering at no extra cost. No other tariff can give me all that in the UK. There are sim-only options but they are all short term and do not guarantee me the unlimited tethering I require into the future, and there is a good chance the cost of these tariffs will increase when 4g is rolled out. In short the only option was to renew my contract.
So, I have renewed my contract and got the XZ. The XZ was the only option really after seeing all the developers struggle with Samsung phones and with all the developer friendly support promised by Sony. Whatever I did with my contract I wanted the XZ and I love it.
I knew when I signed the contract that I was taking a gamble on the locked bootloader, but the best option for me was to renew my contract and if the bootloader is locked sell the phone and use the money to partially fund the buying of a bootloader unlockable XZ. I knew that I would probably have to do this and was ready for it when I got the contract. Anyway the bootloader is unlock:no, so I will be carrying out my plan and this XZ will get sold to fund the purchase of an XZ with unlockable bootloader. I am OK with all that and if I sell the XZ for even half it's current value I won't care and will have still made the most financially sensible choice. I will have to buy a phone off contract, but I will still have the tariff I want. If the phone I have had come with an unlockable bootloader I would have been a couple of hundred quid better off, but I had to have a phone on the contract anyway so whatever phone I got would have had to go to get an unlocked XZ. Even if there was a tariff which gave the same allowances I would have had to pay for the handset anyway, and it would have ended up costing more than it is anyway. There is no such tariff anyway and I have made the sensible choice and am happy.
Now on to my question. Obviously I am working up to selling this phone, and figure it will be easier to sell sim-unlocked. Fortunately I live in the UK and network providers are obliged to allow you to unlock your sim. On three I have to wait thirty days and then they will unlock the sim for me. I have decided that the thirty days older the phone is will be offset by it being unlocked and being easier to sell. I am not in a rush to flash roms yet so I get the phone for a while and sell it for the least effort, hopefully when CM is pretty well ready for the phone.
Anyway, all is well and good and I am content.
However there is one possibility I have only recently considered. I am aware that sim-unlocking is a completely different thing than having bootloader unlockable:yes. But I was curious to know if a byproduct of getting the Sim officially unlocked by Three would be a change to the bootloader unlocking status. I don't know enough about how all this works, and as I say, I understand there is a difference between getting the sim-unlocked and the bootloader thing. But might the bootloader lock be somehow dependant on the sim-unlock status. ????
I only ask this out of curiosity.
I will find out for myself soon enough as I will be getting the sim unlocked ready to sell anyway. It will save me a bit of money and a bit of hassle if the bootloader becomes unlockable and I won't have to part with a phone I have become attached to and know is a good one, it doesn't have any of the issues some people seem to be having with their XZ's.
Either way in a couple of weeks I will have an XZ with an unlockable bootloader as CM has become a must for me.
Hi, I'm from Mexico and bought a Z1 in Telcel plan (the original model was 6906) I have about 4 years using phone android, I wanted the HTC One but take long time to get here to Mexico, so desperate and buy me this Z1 and I'm really disappointed as I do not understand why some models like mine can not unlock the bootloader, because among other things I can not flash any custom room, or having a good kernel tweaks. (I really love Carbon room) All this regardless of the phone too easily scratched screen, and failures of touch sensitivity on the right edge, I guess be for the location of the buttons.
anyone of you know why?.
Sorry about my bad english.
Thank you.
Because your phone is on Contract and they locked the Sim and Bootloader for security. One day when the contract expire or your phone get old you will be able to unlock sim but no bootloader. It's a deal made between your Carrier Network and Sony. If you buy a Unbranded and Sim Unlocked Z1 you don't have this problems.
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Because your phone is on Contract and they locked the Sim and Bootloader for security. One day when the contract expire or your phone get old you will be able to unlock sim but no bootloader. It's a deal made between your Carrier Network and Sony. If you buy a Unbranded and Sim Unlocked Z1 you don't have this problems.
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That is not true !
Stop leading people the wrong way !
I bought my Z1 branded and sim-locked and i was allowed / able to unlock my bootloader. So, what you said has nothing to do with reality. And by the way ... could you tell us how you got that information?
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bogdan wst said:
That is not true !
Stop leading people the wrong way !
I bought my Z1 branded and sim-locked and i was allowed / able to unlock my bootloader. So, what you said has nothing to do with reality. And by the way ... could you tell us how you got that information?
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It is in that way but no all the Carrers Applay that method. Just google it. This argue was mention 100 times on XDA too.
OMG
"ecliptos" - You are everywhere in this forum. I see you like to spend a lot of time on your computer. But please ... If you want to help some people on the forum ... give them good / real / complete information about what they are asking. If you aren't sure about something (as i've seen you many times), then don't mislead people and don't fill up the threads with unnecesary posts. They do not give you a prise for having 10k posts.
p.s. - JAEL65 - please excuse my offtopic.
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OMG
"ecliptos" - You are everywhere in this forum. I see you like to spend a lot of time on your computer. But please ... If you want to help some people on the forum ... give them good / real / complete information about what they are asking. If you aren't sure about something (as i've seen you many times), then don't mislead people and don't fill up the threads with unnecesary posts. They do not give you a prise for having 10k posts.
p.s. - JAEL65 - please excuse my offtopic.
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Co za Ku....a z ciebie! If you think is not that way you are welcome to come here and prove me wrong if not don't come here and telling me what I should or not. I do what I can and people learning everyday, me too. Thank you, bye.
Why some Z1 models can not unlock the bootloader?
Thanks, there are many topics dealing with this but there is no a clear answer, I already flash one room unbranded but 6903 because as I said the original model was 6906 so I have unlocked the sim, I read out there on xda that taking it to sony service, as has unlocked the sim, they can change unlocking bootloader allowed: NO by Yes.
I'll try this way.
Greetings.
It's about specific negotiations between Sony with each Carrier
Telcel decided they wanted to keep the bootloader locked, thus C9606 will be permanently closed.
There are ways around this, but it WILL void warranty.
Good luck.
I'm currently evaluating unlocking bootloader as well.
Hobbes2099 said:
Telcel decided they wanted to keep the bootloader locked, thus C9606 will be permanently closed.
There are ways around this, but it WILL void warranty.
Good luck.
I'm currently evaluating unlocking bootloader as well.
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Unlocking Bootloader will avoid warranty in any case, Yes or No, buy actually the Developers on XDA they saying is no way around and you can't unlock if the Bootloader Unlocking Allowed is set up to NO. So when you buy a phone from a any Carrier make sure the Bootloader Unlocking Allowed is set up to Yes.
Hobbes2099 said:
Telcel decided they wanted to keep the bootloader locked, thus C9606 will be permanently closed.
There are ways around this, but it WILL void warranty.
Good luck.
I'm currently evaluating unlocking bootloader as well.
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omg, no, you are so wrong
If it says no you can't unlock, they're us no way around it..
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
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Unlocking Bootloader will avoid warranty in any case, Yes or No, buy actually the Developers on XDA they saying is no way around and you can't unlock if the Bootloader Unlocking Allowed is set up to NO. So when you buy a phone from a any Carrier make sure the Bootloader Unlocking Allowed is set up to Yes.
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Here in mexico punish us with prices, sony officially sold the Z1, at $ 1000 usd (no brand) With a 2-year contract I could get $ 350 usd in telcel. Besides, very few models get really good, slow to arrive and bring an outdated firmware. Google does not sell their phones officially. But I want to unlock the bootloader because I am almost certain now that the bugs are resolved that brings z1, soon going to release a firmware google edition for z1 (I really wish it) and I need to unlock the bootloader to install.
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Here in mexico punish us with prices, sony officially sold the Z1, at $ 1000 usd (no brand) With a 2-year contract I could get $ 350 usd in telcel. Besides, very few models get really good, slow to arrive and bring an outdated firmware. Google does not sell their phones officially. But I want to unlock the bootloader because I am almost certain now that the bugs are resolved that brings z1, soon going to release a firmware google edition for z1 (I really wish it) and I need to unlock the bootloader to install.
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Check your bootloader, just write *#*#7378423#*#* and go to Service Info > Configuration > Rooting Status if there is Bootloader Unlock Allowed: NO probably you can't unlock your bootloader. Call Sony Center and ask if this is possible but no guarantee about that.
gregbradley said:
omg, no, you are so wrong
If it says no you can't unlock, they're us no way around it..
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
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Are you positive about this?
I was under the impression you could get around the locked bootloader even if the device says No.
I'm not sure if I even want to try because I would permanently lose the Bravia Engine should I succeed. I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, but it sounds nice.
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if the device says unlocked bootloader: No, then it cant be done.
sim lock and bootloader locked are depends on your carrier, there are carriers that they have locked the sim only and still allows bootloader unlocked.
but some carriers locked both. you can get a phone which allows to unlocked bootloader, if you buy a free sim phone or bought not in the carrier contract but from other store like sony store or any store that sells free sim phone.
please dont make things complicated.
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I'm not sure if I even want to try because I would permanently lose the Bravia Engine should I succeed. I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, but it sounds nice.
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With Unlocking Bootloader you will lose X-Reality, which is not a big deal anyway because it not improve the images, and Bionz processing but actually this not influence the functionality of the camera at all. No body said about Bravia Engine, I hope not.
I am from Mexico too. My bootloader is not allowed
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Hahaha....what a crazy answers...
Guys can't tell what's the difference between SIM and boot lock but are here first to be smart....
I must say, I feel in love in XDA when I was on my Xperia S, now... I just wanna hit my self with some blunt object...
Of course, thumb up for all nice people here...
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any luck yet?
I just wondered if anyone had gotten any news from Sony as to if the bootloader on a not allowed model van be unlocked in anyway?
I'm aware that threads exist and ppl are flashing roms on handsets with locked bootloader but I think those are allowed to unlock theirs.
Is there still no way to unlock bootloader on disallowed models either officially or unofficial?
I want custom rom
Just to add a little clarity to this, gregbradley helped me a lot with this.
If you've bought the phone from a carrier then there is a distinct chance that the bootloader unlockable status will be a flat no.
What does this mean?
This means that you will never (unless someone cracks it, highly unlikely) be able to unlock your bootloader.
If you bought your phone from certain carriers (like 3 in the UK, or so i'm told) or from third parties like carphone warehouse in the UK, then you WILL be able to unlock the bootloader, as the status for unlocking the bootloader will read "Yes".
If you see a yes then youre in luck, if it reads no then you most certainly will not be able to unlock the bootloader.
Further to this, Sony will not help you with this whatsoever, I have asked and asked and got little more than a scripted response, they WILL NOT help you to unlock your bootloader.
The sim being locked to a particular network means nothing to the bootloader, it's simply a coincidence that third parties who have bootloader unlockable phones are too sim free.
Hope this clears things up for people who weren't sure.
AFAIK, it is at the carriers request that the bootloader is in this state, not Sony's, probably why they won't help with it, but that's a guess.
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magic mushroom said:
I just wondered if anyone had gotten any news from Sony as to if the bootloader on a not allowed model van be unlocked in anyway?
I'm aware that threads exist and ppl are flashing roms on handsets with locked bootloader but I think those are allowed to unlock theirs.
Is there still no way to unlock bootloader on disallowed models either officially or unofficial?
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You can still have all the goodness of custom roms m8, you just won't be able to flash kernels like doom kernel and or AOSP rom's and CM10 based roms.
In all fairness, youre not missing out on too much, but I was the same when i had a locked phone, the grass always appears to be greener on the other side until you realise it's actually not.
Is anyone working on breaking this problem? Hate myself for getting this phone now, everyone else is running away with custom kernels and any soft headed person who decided to go with their provider is also stuck unless their provider didn't ask for it to be locked down.
What is the actual difference between the two phones? Unlockable or not unlockable? Could one not be migrated to the other or is that not possible?
I want to stretch this phones legs and i'm unable to because of it.
Any help, input, pointers would be grateful.
Any "No your a tool for buying from your provider an sony have always done this" is not helpful.
Cheers.
dladz said:
Is anyone working on breaking this problem? Hate myself for getting this phone now, everyone else is running away with custom kernels and any soft headed person who decided to go with their provider is also stuck unless their provider didn't ask for it to be locked down.
What is the actual difference between the two phones? Unlockable or not unlockable? Could one not be migrated to the other or is that not possible?
I want to stretch this phones legs and i'm unable to because of it.
Any help, input, pointers would be grateful.
Any "No your a tool for buying from your provider an sony have always done this" is not helpful.
Cheers.
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Unfortunately talking from experience with Sony Xperia Z and other Android phones, this has never been possible. Bootloader unlock allowed: No on Xperia Z has not been hacked after all the time that the device has been out, I would not count on a solution for Xperia Z1.
Sorry to put your hopes down, but most likely this will never be possible.
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No real developers have openely said they are working on it.
A few people have tried a few things but this needs someone with real developing/hacking skills (Like the_laser).
The problem is that all the developers know to get unlockable phones, so they don't have/need to work on the bootloader issue.
Adam Outler was given an Xperia T with an bootloader that says no, and he gave up after a few months.
You aren't missing anything mate.
Before Z1 I had Xperia S, I unlocked bootloader and when I tried every ROM on XDA..... I settled down on @niaboc79 eXistanZ. (stock based ROM for locked and unlocked bootloaders)
Believe me, we'll get many great things on Z1 you just have to be patient.
Now I bought Z1 with a bootloader locked (unlockable), I knew that from the beginning and I didn't care.
When Z1 recive 4.4 and few other devs join here, you'll see you'll have many different ROMs to choose...
Yes, it's true, you can't get custom kernel and maybe you can't OC your CPU or GPU but Z1 has quad on 2.2 Ghz and there's really no need for 2.5Ghz or 3.0Ghz.
Remember, we are using phones, without cooling system and OC will overheating hardware and that's not good...
As I said, you/we are not missing anything.
eXistanZ will, eventually, be released for Z1, just like all other great ROMs and we'll have awesome software for device...
In the next few days/weeks devs will manage to develop tools for rooting Z1 on 4.3 and that's all you need to get 99% of goodies on Z1.
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate it.
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funky0308 said:
You aren't missing anything mate.
Before Z1 I had Xperia S, I unlocked bootloader and when I tried every ROM on XDA..... I settled down on @niaboc79 eXistanZ. (stock based ROM for locked and unlocked bootloaders)
Believe me, we'll get many great things on Z1 you just have to be patient.
Now I bought Z1 with a bootloader locked (unlockable), I knew that from the beginning and I didn't care.
When Z1 recive 4.4 and few other devs join here, you'll see you'll have many different ROMs to choose...
Yes, it's true, you can't get custom kernel and maybe you can't OC your CPU or GPU but Z1 has quad on 2.2 Ghz and there's really no need for 2.5Ghz or 3.0Ghz.
Remember, we are using phones, without cooling system and OC will overheating hardware and that's not good...
As I said, you/we are not missing anything.
eXistanZ will, eventually, be released for Z1, just like all other great ROMs and we'll have awesome software for device...
In the next few days/weeks devs will manage to develop tools for rooting Z1 on 4.3 and that's all you need to get 99% of goodies on Z1.
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Yea you're right m8, I do like the phone, it's just the first time i've not been able to use the other kernels.
What about the likes of PA and AOSP rom's, don't they need a kernel from the likes of doomlord to work?
Great if they don't, i don't stick with them for very long but it's nice to try them out from time to time.
dladz said:
Yea you're right m8, I do like the phone, it's just the first time i've not been able to use the other kernels.
What about the likes of PA and AOSP rom's, don't they need a kernel from the likes of doomlord to work?
Great if they don't, i don't stick with them for very long but it's nice to try them out from time to time.
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Yeap, they need custom kernels so without unlocked bootloader you can't use them
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Yeap, they need custom kernels so without unlocked bootloader you can't use them
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Bugger.
Thanks again m8, i'm going to avoid the original dev section like the plague.
Google edition should be ok though right?
I got one with locked boot loader from Telenor here in Sweden.
I'm thinking about calling them and complain. There is NOTHING in my contract with them that says anything about locked boot loader.
The only thing that is stated is carrier-locked to Telenor. Ok, so I can unlock that after 12 month or find another webpage that can do it for me.
I talked to Sony Sweden about it and they said the normal jobberish about they don't wan't us to change "software", Their branded software. Well after 12 month they let me unlock the phone. Why not then letting me change "software". No the phone will still be locked. I say that is to not follow the contract. They say I can unlock my phone after 12 month, then why not let me ? No, they only let me unlock the carrier-lock. So in theory the phone will still be locked to Telenor. That's whats wrong with the contract.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here, or might there actually be a little loop-hole that I can use to get my phone unlocked or maybe even get a replaced phone ?
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I got one with locked boot loader from Telenor here in Sweden.
I'm thinking about calling them and complain. There is NOTHING in my contract with them that says anything about locked boot loader.
The only thing that is stated is carrier-locked to Telenor. Ok, so I can unlock that after 12 month or find another webpage that can do it for me.
I talked to Sony Sweden about it and they said the normal jobberish about they don't wan't us to change "software", Their branded software. Well after 12 month they let me unlock the phone. Why not then letting me change "software". No the phone will still be locked. I say that is to not follow the contract. They say I can unlock my phone after 12 month, then why not let me ? No, they only let me unlock the carrier-lock. So in theory the phone will still be locked to Telenor. That's whats wrong with the contract.
Am I barking up the wrong tree here, or might there actually be a little loop-hole that I can use to get my phone unlocked or maybe even get a replaced phone ?
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No the phones simlock is nothing to do with the fact that the bootloader can't be unlocked, although it is most likely your carrier who is responsible for the bootloader not being able to be unlocked in the first place.
They are unrelated instances, as far as i know and without some serious tinkering the bootloader will remain the way it is, it seriously sucks and I hate myself for doing it now but it is what it is, the only plausible way out would be if sony were to swap the phone out for one with an unlocked bootloader, i'm sure it is our consumer right to do what we want with our property, especially seeing as Sony has an official page on how to unlock the bootloader officially.
I find this approach to their software preposterous and well you've already seen me have a rant, i'm not a happy bunny.
My guess is that if your carrier replaces the phone then you will get another locked BL, but if for some reason you can get Sony to replace it then you may get one with an unlockable BL, that is the only way around it so far as I can see.
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No the phones simlock is nothing to do with the fact that the bootloader can't be unlocked, although it is most likely your carrier who is responsible for the bootloader not being able to be unlocked in the first place.
They are unrelated instances, as far as i know and without some serious tinkering the bootloader will remain the way it is, it seriously sucks and I hate myself for doing it now but it is what it is, the only plausible way out would be if sony were to swap the phone out for one with an unlocked bootloader, i'm sure it is our consumer right to do what we want with our property, especially seeing as Sony has an official page on how to unlock the bootloader officially.
I find this approach to their software preposterous and well you've already seen me have a rant, i'm not a happy bunny.
My guess is that if your carrier replaces the phone then you will get another locked BL, but if for some reason you can get Sony to replace it then you may get one with an unlockable BL, that is the only way around it so far as I can see.
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I called Telenor and talked to them. They put me through to the support. They coulndät do anything they said. I called Telenor again and got connected to what they called their Sony Xperia support. Got to talk with a nice guy who told me that. Yes it is possible to get by this locked boot loader, but I had to go through Telenor. However, he told me NOT to call them, but to go to an actual store and talk to them. So acording to him, Telenor should be able to solve this issue. I'm still not convinced. But I guess if I can get Telenor to accept fault on their part, maybe they can get Sony to fix it ?
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I called Telenor and talked to them. They put me through to the support. They coulndät do anything they said. I called Telenor again and got connected to what they called their Sony Xperia support. Got to talk with a nice guy who told me that. Yes it is possible to get by this locked boot loader, but I had to go through Telenor. However, he told me NOT to call them, but to go to an actual store and talk to them. So acording to him, Telenor should be able to solve this issue. I'm still not convinced. But I guess if I can get Telenor to accept fault on their part, maybe they can get Sony to fix it ?
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I would take that advice with a pinch of salt, it sounds a little too good to be true, i hope i'm wrong there but my guess is that they won't be able to do anything, I know all the people in the EE store by ours and all of them haven't got a clue what day it is, if i ask about a bootloader they'll probably spaz out.
But hey if it works for you then that's superb.
I hear the S5 has a locked bootloader on AT&T. Is this rumor valid or a ton of baloney? I dont really want to go through all the safestrap crap again as I did with the S4
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I hear the S5 has a locked bootloader on AT&T. Is this rumor valid or a ton of baloney? I dont really want to go through all the safestrap crap again as I did with the S4
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I dont believe anyone has the AT&T variant in hand, but if history has taught us anything its that AT&T will have it locked down.
AT&T will 99.99% lock the bootloader on the S5. They stated they will lock the bootloaders: "To ensure a safe and consistent experience on your wireless device, we do not support unlocked bootloaders."
I just wish T-Mobile would improve in my area because they are doings things right. Like selling the 32GB S5.
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AT&T will 99.99% lock the bootloader on the S5. They stated they will lock the bootloaders: "To ensure a safe and consistent experience on your wireless device, we do not support unlocked bootloaders."
I just wish T-Mobile would improve in my area because they are doings things right. Like selling the 32GB S5.
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This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?
Doubt we will have anything like lokidoki this time around also. Which is why I sold my s4 and got a nexus 5
Might pick up a HTC one m8 unlocked variant though if it supports LTE.
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Jonnyredcorn said:
Doubt we will have anything like lokidoki this time around also. Which is why I sold my s4 and got a nexus 5
Might pick up a HTC one m8 unlocked variant though if it supports LTE.
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LokiDoki was bad ass lol. I had kept it on my s4 all the way to the end. Everyone kept saying there would be another exploit, but there never was. The AT&T S4 doesn't see much development nowadays. Safestrap is good, but not the same. Maybe there will be a developer who can actually UNLOCK the bootloader instead of finding a way around it. These devices have become so hard to root, flash, and restore to stock with these locked bootloaders. Glad T-Mobile is getting in for the fun. It's almost sickening how much they publicly hate AT&T and Verizon, then they go and lock the S5 bootloader just like them.
Walter.White said:
This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?
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Im guessing T-mobile started because people were buying their devices for use on AT&T because of the unlocked bootloader. They dont make money on the devices they make it on the service and locked bootloaders will discourage this practice. My theory, not fact.
Walter.White said:
This time around it looks like AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile will have S5 with locked bootloader
AT&T started with S4 and continued the tradition there after (G2, N3 etc.)
T-Mobile started with LG G Flex and looks like it will continue the tradition with S5. (Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288)
Verizon started who knows when ?
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I am sorry but I put 0 credibility behind the "SOURCE" for this statement that TMOBILE will have a locked bootloader - I have not even been able to confirm that the LG is locked - it may be that I am looking at the world thru rose colored glasses but I need to see something more than converstationwith an unknown person who may or may not know what they are talking about. The odds are that the S5 will be unlocked on TMOBILE - as an ATT customer using a TMOBILE NOTE 3 - I sure hope that is the case as I plan to buy the S5 when it comes out - if it is locked, I guess I will return it - but until I see more definitive proof - I don't believe it will be
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I am sorry but I put 0 credibility behind the "SOURCE" for this statement that TMOBILE will have a locked bootloader - I have not even been able to confirm that the LG is locked - it may be that I am looking at the world thru rose colored glasses but I need to see something more than converstationwith an unknown person who may or may not know what they are talking about. The odds are that the S5 will be unlocked on TMOBILE - as an ATT customer using a TMOBILE NOTE 3 - I sure hope that is the case as I plan to buy the S5 when it comes out - if it is locked, I guess I will return it - but until I see more definitive proof - I don't believe it will be
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So the actual tmobile response clearly stating the lg bootloader is locked isnt enough to convince you that the lg bootloader is locked?
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cloudraker said:
So the actual tmobile response clearly stating the lg bootloader is locked isnt enough to convince you that the lg bootloader is locked?
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If you are talking about the excerpt of the chat session the insurance guy posted online - then no, that is not enough to convince me. Do you have something more official from TMOBILE that says it is locked? I would love to see it if you do - I don't know who that person was at TOMOBILE - if it was a customer care person from the web site - I give them no credibility at all - you wouldn't believe the number of things they have said that have turned out to be totally untrue -
or are you talking about some sort of official notice that I have not seen?
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If you are talking about the excerpt of the chat session the insurance guy posted online - then no, that is not enough to convince me. Do you have something more official from TMOBILE that says it is locked? I would love to see it if you do - I don't know who that person was at TOMOBILE - if it was a customer care person from the web site - I give them no credibility at all - you wouldn't believe the number of things they have said that have turned out to be totally untrue -
or are you talking about some sort of official notice that I have not seen?
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Wasn't that T-Mobile's official twitter account? Anyway, I hope it is unlocked because everyone has the right to do what they want with their phone, as they own it. As an AT&T customer who used the T-Mobile Note 3, I can tell you that I will not be doing that again in the future. T-Mobile's Note 3 fully supported all of AT&T's bands, but I found LTE reception to be very bad. It was awful in places with low signal, and often would sit on HSPA+.
But my flashing days are over with. I pay for my devices at full price, and I won't risk bricking it with these very hard rooting/flashing procedures. Its just too risky nowadays. Maybe I got spoiled with the easy rooting/flashing methods we had before.
Back to the bootloader... I can see them locking it for the reason that many bought their device for use on AT&T. If the S5 bootloader is locked on T-Mobile then that's a shame. Looks like the "uncarrier" just made a selfish "carrier" move.
MattMJB0188 said:
Wasn't that T-Mobile's official twitter account? Anyway, I hope it is unlocked because everyone has the right to do what they want with their phone, as they own it. As an AT&T customer who used the T-Mobile Note 3, I can tell you that I will not be doing that again in the future. T-Mobile's Note 3 fully supported all of AT&T's bands, but I found LTE reception to be very bad. It was awful in places with low signal, and often would sit on HSPA+.
But my flashing days are over with. I pay for my devices at full price, and I won't risk bricking it with these very hard rooting/flashing procedures. Its just too risky nowadays. Maybe I got spoiled with the easy rooting/flashing methods we had before.
Back to the bootloader... I can see them locking it for the reason that many bought their device for use on AT&T. If the S5 bootloader is locked on T-Mobile then that's a shame. Looks like the "uncarrier" just made a selfish "carrier" move.
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I honestly don't know if that was an Official Tmobile Tweet or not - I guess I do wear rose colored glasses - always half full and all of that. I purchased a preorder of the S 5 so I will find out soon enough - if it is locked I will probably return it.
One reason I can think of that t mobile has decided to lock bootloader (if they have) is to cut down on the amount of returns they get from people who brick their device and then return it for a new replacement, hiding the fact that they were rooted or whatever. We may have become o our own worst enemy. I don't knnow how many hundreds - maybe thouhsands of phones have been returned at one time or another from someone claiming the phone was broken when in reality it was bricked because they tried something they shoulnd't have - or flashed a bad file or whatever. If you consider their side of things - you can understand why they might want to plug that hole....
regardless - I am a flashaholic - it is a disease - I need help desperately - lol - but seriously - I do hope we find that these are just rumours and that Tmobile has taken the high road and kept our phones open and "flashable"
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I honestly don't know if that was an Official Tmobile Tweet or not - I guess I do wear rose colored glasses - always half full and all of that. I purchased a preorder of the S 5 so I will find out soon enough - if it is locked I will probably return it.
One reason I can think of that t mobile has decided to lock bootloader (if they have) is to cut down on the amount of returns they get from people who brick their device and then return it for a new replacement, hiding the fact that they were rooted or whatever. We may have become o our own worst enemy. I don't knnow how many hundreds - maybe thouhsands of phones have been returned at one time or another from someone claiming the phone was broken when in reality it was bricked because they tried something they shoulnd't have - or flashed a bad file or whatever. If you consider their side of things - you can understand why they might want to plug that hole....
regardless - I am a flashaholic - it is a disease - I need help desperately - lol - but seriously - I do hope we find that these are just rumours and that Tmobile has taken the high road and kept our phones open and "flashable"
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It was official and VERIFIED TMobile's twitter account. Click on their twitter handle and you will see what I happen.
Will they sell develper editions of the S5? Like the S4? I havent seen any for sale yet. I really dont want to shell out $600 for a phone just so i can customize it.. Might as well wait on the Nexus 6:crying: or maybe i will jump ship to the New one m8 google edition (even tho imo its ugly and still costs alot of $$)
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Will they sell develper editions of the S5? Like the S4? I havent seen any for sale yet. I really dont want to shell out $600 for a phone just so i can customize it.. Might as well wait on the Nexus 6:crying: or maybe i will jump ship to the New one m8 google edition (even tho imo its ugly and still costs alot of $$)
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The standard AT&T HTC m8 version has been confirmed to have an unlockable bootloader via the htc dev tool if you are concerned about having to buy off contract.
This is why I'm only buying Google edition phones now.
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Enough said
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Walter.White said:
It was official and VERIFIED TMobile's twitter account. Click on their twitter handle and you will see what I happen.
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Can't stop laughing at your sig
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Can't stop laughing at your sig
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And that dude wasn't even drunk.
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The standard AT&T HTC m8 version has been confirmed to have an unlockable bootloader via the htc dev tool if you are concerned about having to buy off contract.
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And an S-OFF tool has been released...the phone can now be fully and completely unlocked.
Combine that with a microSD slot and I'm hitting AT&T tomorrow like a fat kid through a cookie store.
Get em while you can!