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[Q] DEFY+ or SGS ???

heyy people can u point out wich one to choose from SGS or DEFY+ ?
all i know is both having 1ghz cpu...but want to know which one is better for gaming with option of future updates...
thanx alot people

Defy has 800 MHz as standard and this is the sgs forum so i'm sure most people will vote for the sgs Read up reviews and watch reviews on youtube for the most help. Type defy vs sgs on youtube and you might find some good reviews.

asn39 said:
heyy people can u point out wich one to choose from SGS or DEFY+ ?
all i know is both having 1ghz cpu...but want to know which one is better for gaming with option of future updates...
thanx alot people
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Hello asn39!
First of all i want to classify the advantages of SGS over MOTOdefy+
-->1Ghz Hummingbird & 1GHz bump from TI-OMAP-3610 to 3620!
1) The point here is the Hummingbird has a GPU PowerVRSGX 540 that is superior over PowerVR SGX 530.
2) You have an overclock of 1.7 GHz paired wih a 40MHz increase in GPU.
3) It beats the MSM8255 in terms of FPS...
-->SUPER AMOLED screen!
--> No of ROM[20+Mod]'s and Kernel[8Mods] packs availability for SGS i9K.
-->Enchanced Sound from SGS coz of Voodoo v10 FIX'es.
-->Hack's and Mod's for SGS are under development.
now you have to decide whether to take SGS or Moto!

Ashtrix said:
Hello asn39!
First of all i want to classify the advantages of SGS over MOTOdefy+
-->1Ghz Hummingbird & 1GHz bump from TI-OMAP-3610 to 3620!
1) The point here is the Hummingbird has a GPU PowerVRSGX 540 that is superior over PowerVR SGX 530.
2) You have an overclock of 1.7 GHz paired wih a 40MHz increase in GPU.
3) It beats the MSM8255 in terms of FPS...
-->SUPER AMOLED screen!
--> No of ROM[20+Mod]'s and Kernel[8Mods] packs availability for SGS i9K.
-->Enchanced Sound from SGS coz of Voodoo v10 FIX'es.
-->Hack's and Mod's for SGS are under development.
now you have to decide whether to take SGS or Moto!
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Totally agreed SGS has best gaming experince and high video quality with smooth and soft touch....and too fast
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

The SGS is highly individual and one of the flattest phones. Furthermore it's very light and well to handle. One big advantage is the stability - if it is having contact with the floor, it won't give up being a gentle friend ;-)
Get it, love it

SGS for sure

[Q] i9000 or i9001?

I want to buy a Galaxy S but... which is better? Galaxy S Plus has a few custom roms.. But its 1400 mhz.. hummingbird or scorpion? I'm a noob on these smartphones. some people say Galaxy S's processor is better than SGS+'s.. Which could I buy? Thanks.

I will recommend paying a few more and go for galaxy r .

Samsung Hummingbird is the best single-core chipset. ARM Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX540 = awesome combination.

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Bes05 said:
The sgs+ is better compared to hardware, (there is the + for) but in my opinion the sgs is a better choice cause there are more people with this phone.. more people = more devs = more custom roms
And if you can pay more.. sgs2 is a much better choice
Sent from my Galaxy S i9000 - ICS
sorry for bad english
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I agree with you. i9001 have a better hardware but have less devs working on them!

i9000 by far. Much more software, and in my opinion better machine.
BR

I'm running 1400 mhz on stock voltage of 1000 mhz. And -125 mv undervolted all of other frequencies.
Also I have a hummingbird + powervr 540 gpu
So I have Galaxy S+++

I9000 to the win
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App

i9000+ will provide better web experience from the start thanks to higher cpu frequency, but you can oc i9000 to get pretty much the same effect. You need to decide whether you want customize your phone or use as it is straight grom the box. In terms of graphics i9000 crushes the i9000+, because it's powered by powervr540 while i9000+ uses adreno205 which is older and slower. Also there's the community backup thing. i9000 is one of the most popular and supprted android phones and this will continue even though much more powerful devices are released. It's just so user friendly in so many ways you can't ignore it. My vote would be for i9000, but it all comes down to what do you want from your phone and what are you going to use it for. Either way you go, you'll ebd up with a great sammy phone.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using xda premium

i9001 is a nice choice, but i9000 better because of community and official samsung support.
I'll recommend u to look at the LG Optimus Black - it has almost the same price/specs but it's a newer model, so u'll get a support for a longer time...

I was in same situation as you, I choosed i9000 and I don't regret it - you can OC the CPU and the PowerVR SGX540 is much better than Adreno 205 + more ROMs and mods, bigger community, more people with this phone. I get around 3500 score in Quadrant benchmark.

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Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime

galaxy s i9000
for sure
DO THANK if you feel i helped you

Definitely the I9000! The latest stock rom (JW1) is incredibly smooth!

nail16 said:
Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime
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The Adreno 205 is not better, it's a piece of crap actually. 265m fillrate? that is the same as PowerVR MBX lite. PowerVR GPUs have much higher fillrate 1G fillrate which ensures gameloft games can be rendered with A.I. with lots of activities on screen. Adreno 205 renders OpenGL benchmark at very low choppy frame rates with disappearing polygons while PowerVR GSX 540 runs it smoothly without graphics glitches.
The 1.4GHz snapdragon processor is indeed better for multi-tasking, but what is the use of a faster processor with a combination of a ****ty GPU?

Not everybody is dependant on a gamer GPU. I personally don't play any games at all on my phone. So this depends on what you want your phone to deliver.

Go for Galaxy R
Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....

puneetgandhi said:
Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....
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Isn't that only available for Roger's network in the USA and not worldwide?

you can't get the answer here... because most of the guys here have Galaxy S i9000, so they have to defend they're own device lol!!! and for all you guys here who doesn't know anything about "GPU's" i can give you a quiick info. here is a simple benchmark by two of the most respectable benchmarking groups anandtech and mobiletechworld.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-vs-sgx540-htc-desire-hd-vs-samsung-galaxy-s/
PowerVR SGX540 is a beast but Adreno 205 held its floor against it and wins by inches at the majority of categories. (slap on the face of the sgx540) users hahahahaha :silly:

[Q]Hardware-wise, will OB be able to handle ICS

I am wondering if the LG OB hardware specs will be enough to have a fluid experience running ICS. Given that this device has only 512MB of RAM and a single core 1GHz CPU, do you guys think we could have an overall good experience running ICS (e.g. no lagging)? CPU IMO seems to be the least of the concerns, but what about the RAM capacity? I've read somewhere sometime ago that Google stated that any GB capable device, would run ICS with no issues, but I've also read in a forum that 512MB is the minimum required to run it so we might be on the edge. What do you guys think?
Important: This is not a thread to discuss whether or not LG will be pushing out the ICS update or when so let's try to be focused on the topic.

I am certain the Optimus Black has adequate hardware capabilities to handle ICS.
Apart from CPU and Ram, GPU is the next criteria for ICS which demand 2D acceleration to be handle by the GPU.
It is just up to LG / Cyanogenmod community to bring it to life.

it can handle...otherwise it wouldnt get the official update!

Keep one thing in mind that :
"Any device that can run Gingerbread can also run ICS" (according to google).
Its not possible when we have useless TouchWiz like Samsung bcoz it takes alot of RAM
I actually sold my Galaxy Tab when I heard that Samsung will not be releasing ICS for Galaxy S or Tab while it was only 9 months old !
So its useless to have a device that has no future support from manufacturer.
Millions of units of Galaxy Tab & Galaxy S were sold worldwide & Samsung embarrassed millions of user by just making excuses
Plus if mid-range Sony Ericsson phones can run ICS (via official update) then why now Optimus Black?
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.

omr911 said:
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Well technically the Black doesn't have 1 Ghz processor, it's just factory overclocked to reach that.
As for ICS, I wouldn't expect the official update to be out until 2013

I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.

Mick2K said:
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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OB is certainly able to handle ICS since Nexus S is able to use 4.0 with the same specification to OB. (1GHz CPU, 512MB Ram, but more powerful GPU SGX540)

yes, Galaxy S has some full working ICS ports, also on Galaxy SL i9003, which has the same hardware as our OB, there are some devs working on ICS

Theoretically yes. But will there be a stable and usable ics rom is another question. I am pretty sure before that I would be with another newer phone already. Now let's enjoy gingerbread first.
Sent from my LG-P970 using XDA App

ICS needs 1ghz cpu & 512 mb gpu. the black has both. i don't know what will happen with the stock ics as it will have the lg bloatware & the optimus ui, but with AOSP projects and trees like cyanogenmod,i think it can not only run,but run very well on our black.
and btw, the black uses tiomap 3630 & cortex a8 combo, i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.

My Nexus S runs ICS AOSP+ 4.0.3 + M4trix Kernel flawlessly & very smooth. I also can OB & NS have similar hardware configuration, so it must be supported! CM9 already on its way afaik

I think OB can handle it as LG stated it in their schedule of ICS upgrade for their optimus phones.

achyut said:
i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
Just to be clear I'm not sourgraping but CM9 may just be our only hope for ICS (at least ICS before the end of 2012).

Since there is an ICS Beta avaiable for the GT540 (600Mhz) i think the OB will do just fine

now who went on to tell you ics requires 1ghz and 512mb... google for android developer phones and you will be surprised at the minimum spec needed for ics... these are the phones on which fw are developed and it is required that fw runs on them smoothly... the minimum reqs are so low that even 600ghz 256mb can handle it...
ps:no gpu required too

Ricardo said that every device with 512 MB ram and more will be supported by CyanogenMod
Sent from my LG-P970 using xda premium

in regard to my previous post (2 posts up) current dev phone is htc magic with only 192mb ram (unlike the 288mb that aired the market) and 528mhz arm cpu so that means ics was developed and should run on it. The galaxy nexus is the advanced dev phone and that is a totally different matter. This means that black will be more than adequate to run ICS compared to the htc magic's specs... It would be lame to asume that google is developing towards the high end users as even as we speak 1ghz is starting to become the standard on market and still it isnt if you look at the low end devices that are released out there still... There will be still some time till 1ghz/512 ram are considered the standard (not by users but by companies that is) so it is safe to assume that you will be ok for quite some time with black (and me with o3d). Hell my kid's huawei joy (aka vodafone joy845) has beta versions of ICS running and it is th lamest phone I ever layed my hands on.

nikpik said:
If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
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from wikipedia (emphasis added):
3630-800MHz(underclocked): Motorola Bravo, Motorola Defy;[6]
3630-1000MHz(Default Speed): Nokia N9, Nokia N950, Sony Ericsson Vivaz, Motorola Milestone 2,Motorola Cliq 2, Motorola Defy+, Palm Pre 2, Droid X, Droid 2, Archos 101, Archos 70, Archos 43, Archos 32, Archos 28, LG Optimus Black, LG Optimus bright L-07C, Samsung I9003 Galaxy S(C)L, SAMSUNG GALAXY 7 TAB (P1010) Wifi Only, LG-LU3000 Optimus Mach, Panasonic P-07C, Panasonic Sweety 003P
3630-1200MHz(overclocked): Motorola Droid 2 Global
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More info about Galaxy mini 2

www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-GAL...onfirmed-will-replace-existing-models_id27078
Again, I was reading some things in phone arena and ended clicking this article
Resuming: The phone was confirmed (along with Galaxy Ace 2) with the following characteristics
3.27 inch screen (from 3.14 inch)
resolution of 320 x 480 pixels (from original 240 x 320 pixels; around 176 ppi)
single-core 800MHz processor (Qualcomm MSM7227, no arm7 , more info here http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7227&c=qualcomm_msm7227)
512MB of RAM
a 3MP camera (exactly the same)
4GB of native storage
FULL INFO: www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_2_s6500-3883.php
Video demonstration:
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NhmWPIY_b8o
This will replace our phone directly (this means, the original galaxy mini will not longer sold) and it will be available starting next month in France initially
Price (I will add more info about the price as soon they are known):
The Galaxy mini 2 price stands at around $265 (200 euro) in Netherlands without contract
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AND it will maybe get ICS update (most probably)
So, Maybe I'll buy it or buy the Ace, what do you think?

but,squadzone said he will only build a custom rom for galaxy mini with qualcomm standard 600Mhz...and i only love squadzone custom rom....

what about price for this two phone ? if the galaxy mini it is in the same price it would be great!!! ^^

i dont think the price will be the same as our original galaxy mini....look at all the features...except camera,everything is better... and squadzone's rom \m/..

Paul L. said:
phonearena.com/news/Samsung-GALAXY-Ace-2-and-Samsung-GALAXY-mini-2-confirmed-will-replace-existing-models_id27078
Again, I was reading some things in phone arena and ended clicking this article
Resuming: The phone was confirmed (along with Galaxy Ace 2) with the following characteristics
3.27 inch screen (from 3.14 inch)
resolution of 320 x 480 pixels (240 x 320 pixels)
single-core 800MHz processor
512MB of RAM
a 3MP camera (exactly the same)
4GB of native storage
This will replace our phone directly (this means, the original galaxy mini will not longer sold) and it will be available starting next month in France initially
So, Maybe I'll buy it or buy the Ace, what do you think?
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Hey...ur provided info is very less....look here...
Galaxy Mini 2 full phone specifications-
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_2_s6500-3883.php
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What is upgraded is galaxy mini 2 has 16M colors, bluetooth version 3, 1300 mAH, and the rest is listed above.
will be very very different with ours.
and the price won't be the same, I think. hope it won't be too much higher.
and I hope it could get CM7 ROM like this one.

nice size of internal storage
but if our galaxy mini is no longer producted it means our phone gonna be legendary, LOL
i still love galaxy mini just saying

a bad update again from samsung!
no change GPU. adreno 200 again...
CPU 800 mhz! but armV6. only more clock ... not very different.
samsung only build many device like: S,S-plus,SL (all in one family)
S2,S2-plus.S2-LTE (all in one family)
gio,fit,mini.mini-2 (only a little change in hardwar)
but forgot to update devices!
all company going to update to android 4 but samsung .... ONLY S2 and NOTE!
better suport mini and ace. our no need mini-2 and ace-2

adib_17 said:
a bad update again from samsung!
no change GPU. adreno 200 again...
CPU 800 mhz! but armV6. only more clock ... not very different.
samsung only build many device like: S,S-plus,SL (all in one family)
S2,S2-plus.S2-LTE (all in one family)
gio,fit,mini.mini-2 (only a little change in hardwar)
but forgot to update devices!
all company going to update to android 4 but samsung .... ONLY S2 and NOTE!
better suport mini and ace. our no need mini-2 and ace-2
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I don't think it's the same arm v6. I've watched the video of Galaxy Mini 2 and it can play flash on the browser!
And, yes. of course we expect the newest software for every new Android device.
Mini 2 have a very bit upgrade from Ace...
but it still a good device to replace Galaxy Mini.

... that about apps for mini?

From what i've heard.It would be upgraded to the latest version of android Ice cream sandwich and that sounds greatt..

oj_buddy said:
Hey...ur provided info is very less....look here...
Galaxy Mini 2 full phone specifications-
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_mini_2_s6500-3883.php
Please press THANKS..if i helped u...
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Oh, sorry, I readed the the article and posted it here yesterday, and I did a little research but no luck , but, I added this to the first page, as well the video, thanks!
And, because is a new phone, it will get ICS, so, I'm looking forward to it

For me isn't a big upgrade for the phone, i want the Galaxy Ace 2. and I think that will be my next phone.

Galaxy Grand Duos will be using a Broadcom chip (android 4.1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZuNOCh-zetA#t=368s
Looks like the Galaxy Grand will be powered by a BCM28150 chip, it is armv7 so I'm not too sure of the things we would gain out of it
But since it runs android 4.1 and still has a Videocore IV GPU, I think we can still get some useful stuff out of its firmware
What do you guys think?

R: Galaxy Grand Duos will be using a Broadcom chip (android 4.1)
Galaxy SII Plus will use a Broadcom chipset....
Inviato dal mio Nexus 7 4.2.1
Quad-core POWER

well lets hope broadcom and samsung to work on S5830i too

One good thing is that....new and bigger devs will start working on broadcom chips. If thats the case. We can ask for their help in many cases.
Sent from GT S5830i from Broadcom Headquarters.

even 2 year old galaxy s2 beats the recently released broadcom powered dual core s2 plus in benchmarks - so no high hopes for this one
why fix it if it ain't broken ?

HOPE....
lets hope this will gain as anythng useful..............................damn samsung for this condition

I also heard that galaxy s2 plus has terrible GPU scores.33fps while the original s2 can do 55 fps.Same old Video core 4 gpu.Does that really serve a purpose?
GT S5830i-Rocking on Broadcoms gpu...

I think we can get something usefull from it, but not much. Let's hope that we will have a working wifi\bluetooth\gps\etc. from it.

nikufellow said:
even 2 year old galaxy s2 beats the recently released broadcom powered dual core s2 plus in benchmarks - so no high hopes for this one
why fix it if it ain't broken ?
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I am not sure about this except in linpack and glbench egypt 1080p offscreen, SII Plus wins quite decently
source: GSMArena Preview
And in linpack GA quotes they suspect some linpack issue.
I'm also interested in Galaxy Grand Duos recently released in India. Since it too is suspected to be on broadcom I was searching and found this

^its a good buy nevertheless quadrant scores are impressive . Moreover sunspider and browsermark looks promising as well . Only multi threaded benchmarks come out bit disappointing but i don't think there will be any noticeable performance differences in real life
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