Nexus 4 and T-mobile $30 Plan FML - Nexus 4 General

It's tragic that google won't sell me a Nexus 4 since its out of stock and T-mobile won't sell me a sim activation kit for it (rejects all my credit cards, all of my family member's credit cards, my address must be blacklisted even though 3 people in my family have t-mobile on contract).
I can get both in secondary markets but there is a premium.
Am I mad? Yes, yes I am.
Discuss.

seitys said:
It's tragic that google won't sell me a Nexus 4 since its out of stock and T-mobile won't sell me a sim activation kit for it (rejects all my credit cards, all of my family member's credit cards, my address must be blacklisted even though 3 people in my family have t-mobile on contract).
I can get both in secondary markets but there is a premium.
Am I mad? Yes, yes I am.
Discuss.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The local Best Buy in my area sells the regular-sized SIM activation kits for $10. Overpriced, but you may have luck checking there. I've got a SIM cutter that I bought a long time ago on Amazon for like $3 and it worked just fine on my old Galaxy Nexus SIM.

why are you black listed?

I have no idea. It's a really common problem online. I spent 3+ hours on the phone last year and CSR couldn't figure out why they couldn't sell me a SIM.
And thanks for the best buy tip. I will keep that in mind.
Fuarking t-mobile, love their prices, hate their customer service.

seitys said:
Fuarking t-mobile, love their prices, hate their customer service.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting, both have worked out wonderfully for me in the past. Sorry to hear about your troubles.

Please keep all carrier-related rants and discussions confined to the designated threads
T-Mobile Nexus 4 thread [DISCUSSION] [NEWS]
Closed

Related

Straight Talk - Sim Cards Not At (at least all) Walmarts

Anyone who is thinking that they'll swing by Walmart and grab a Straighttalk sim card/activation kit once their Nexus arrives: they don't appear to sell them, or at least not at mine. There was every permutation of everything else they sell there, but no sim cards, so order now!
Although I did find a promo code to get the sim free online, so I guess it wasn't a total lost trip.
That's what I get for putting it off. Now I might have a nexus that isn't a phone for a day. Oh, the humanity.
For those that don't know, using the promo code SIMSAVE on the $45 monthly plan will give you a free SIM card!
I won't be buying the Nexus 4 right away, probably a month after release once the kinks are worked out, but can anyone explain why the straight talk coverage has two seperate coverage maps?
One is for non-android (and the coverage is great)
Another is for android (and the coverage is barren)
http://www.straighttalk.com/Coverage
Also does Straight Talk use T-mobiles network? I thought it was just ATT but it says right on there website here : http://www.straighttalksim.com/ : that you can "Bring your T-Mobile compatible 4G phone and keep your 4G service" Of course the Nexus 4 is pentaband, but thats a rarity and not all phones are so how would they give other T-mobile phones 4G service?
ap3604 said:
I won't be buying the Nexus 4 right away, probably a month after release once the kinks are worked out, but can anyone explain why the straight talk coverage has two seperate coverage maps?
One is for non-android (and the coverage is great)
Another is for android (and the coverage is barren)
http://www.straighttalk.com/Coverage
Also does Straight Talk use T-mobiles network? I thought it was just ATT but it says right on there website here : http://www.straighttalksim.com/ : that you can "Bring your T-Mobile compatible 4G phone and keep your 4G service"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Straight talk will use whomever is best in your area. Be in AT&T or T-Mobile. The reason the maps are so different is that the Non-Android one is for voice/2G the Android is 3G+. Basicly it is saying Basic coverage is almost everywhere, but data isnt.
You choose either an at&t or T-Mobile sim card at checkout.
Or you can pick up a net 10 sim kit at best buy. Kit costs $15 and you get 3 Sims (at&t normal size, at&t micro, and T-Mobile normal) all with seperate activation codes. They have the exact same unlimited plans straight talk does but there $50 a month. Just putting another option out there
Sent from my A100 using xda app-developers app
vita10gy said:
Anyone who is thinking that they'll swing by Walmart and grab a Straighttalk sim card/activation kit once their Nexus arrives: they don't appear to sell them, or at least not at mine. There was every permutation of everything else they sell there, but no sim cards, so order now!
Although I did find a promo code to get the sim free online, so I guess it wasn't a total lost trip.
That's what I get for putting it off. Now I might have a nexus that isn't a phone for a day. Oh, the humanity.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're right. Buy it online. Ships in a few days.
lowrider262 said:
Or you can pick up a net 10 sim kit at best buy. Kit costs $15 and you get 3 Sims (at&t normal size, at&t micro, and T-Mobile normal) all with seperate activation codes. They have the exact same unlimited plans straight talk does but there $50 a month. Just putting another option out there
Sent from my A100 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Looking a bit online net10 seems like the way to go! Why am I just now hearing about it? I was getting nervous from straight talk horror stories...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
v3rk said:
Looking a bit online net10 seems like the way to go! Why am I just now hearing about it? I was getting nervous from straight talk horror stories...
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Though be advised that net10 is owned by the same company as straight talk. I personally have straight talk and can attest that their cs sucks more than att. But I've only had to call them once. Never had an issue with throttling but I stay under that hush hush of 2gb a month
I never heard about them in the bring your own phone game either until last week, I was going to every store trying to buy a straight talk sim for my nephews at&t phone, then I ran across this at best buy. Best part is the 3 Sims, you can try one service and if you don't like it, you could switch the same day:thumbup:
Sent from my A100 using xda app-developers app
coverage maps
ap3604 said:
I won't be buying the Nexus 4 right away, probably a month after release once the kinks are worked out, but can anyone explain why the straight talk coverage has two seperate coverage maps?
One is for non-android (and the coverage is great)
Another is for android (and the coverage is barren)
http://www.straighttalk.com/Coverage
Also does Straight Talk use T-mobiles network? I thought it was just ATT but it says right on there website here : http://www.straighttalksim.com/ : that you can "Bring your T-Mobile compatible 4G phone and keep your 4G service" Of course the Nexus 4 is pentaband, but thats a rarity and not all phones are so how would they give other T-mobile phones 4G service?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Regarding Coverage and providers, you get to pick which Service Provider to use, as in T-Mobile or AT&T, it ultimately depends on where you live. You may not get the option for both depending on coverage and your location. I did not get the option to choose T-Mobile when I got my Straight-Talk Sim and Plan. However I am sure you could plug in a different Zip Code and get the Service of your choosing.
You can look at a Carrier's Coverage map for areas they SHOULD cover. During my Evaluation of T-mobile and AT&T, I found using the Root Metrics Coverage Map and the Sensorly Map helped out quite a bit. Many times I ended up using the apps to record coverage in areas I or my Family frequented.
http://www.rootmetrics.com/
http://sensorly.com/map
Have a few months left on my AT&T contract so I am going to pop into an official brick and mortar store and ask for a micro sim. Will I run into any troubles?
dcarpenter85 said:
Have a few months left on my AT&T contract so I am going to pop into an official brick and mortar store and ask for a micro sim. Will I run into any troubles?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They really don't sell ST SIMs in Walmarts. Only with phones. So just buy it online...
Straight Talk doesn't offer T-Mobile micro Sims...just fyi.
ap3604 said:
I won't be buying the Nexus 4 right away, probably a month after release once the kinks are worked out, but can anyone explain why the straight talk coverage has two seperate coverage maps?
One is for non-android (and the coverage is great)
Another is for android (and the coverage is barren)
http://www.straighttalk.com/Coverage
Also does Straight Talk use T-mobiles network? I thought it was just ATT but it says right on there website here : http://www.straighttalksim.com/ : that you can "Bring your T-Mobile compatible 4G phone and keep your 4G service" Of course the Nexus 4 is pentaband, but thats a rarity and not all phones are so how would they give other T-mobile phones 4G service?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Those coverage maps are for straight talk's own phones. The non-Android map you see is Verizon's coverage which their cdma non-android phones use. The android map is for sprint which the majority of their android phones use, they actually have a few android phones that use Verizon's network now. Again, those maps are for their own branded phones, if you bring your own phone obviously those maps don't apply

N4 Now Available on T-Mobile Site

I just received an email from T-Mobile and the Nexus 4 is available on the T-Mobile site. I find this funny because I NEVER received any email from Google about the N4 product release. Huuummmm????
Here is the link:
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/cell-phone-detail.aspx?cell-phone=Google-Nexus-4
T-mobile selling it for $499
Bwhahahahahhahahahhah
ap3604 said:
T-mobile selling it for $499
Bwhahahahahhahahahhah
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bought mine for $199.00 on an upgrade which I was going to do anyways, but at least it's in my hands and I am loving it so far. Sold my GNEX for 200 an hour after I bought the N4 , so my out of pocket expense was zero dollars, not bad at all.
Only in America. It's not in my country! (yes we have T-Mobile too)
bakron1 said:
Bought mine for $199.00 on an upgrade which I was going to do anyways, but at least it's in my hands and I am loving it so far. Sold my GNEX for 200 an hour after I bought the N4 , so my out of pocket expense was zero dollars, not bad at all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
$199, and still Unlocked? Or are you stuck with using the Device for T-mobile only?
(since you signed a new 2yr contract, I'm aware you are stuck with T-mobile as a carrier.. Just curious if the phone is unlocked or not.)
I want to buy the off-contract do you guys now where can i buy near brooklyn and Lawrence!?
UberSlackr said:
$199, and still Unlocked? Or are you stuck with using the Device for T-mobile only?
(since you signed a new 2yr contract, I'm aware you are stuck with T-mobile as a carrier.. Just curious if the phone is unlocked or not.)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not a big deal for me, I hate AT&T and I have to have a GSM phone because I travel overseas for my business and CDMA is not and option for me. I still find T-mobile the best bang for the buck, hands down. I have never had any issues with customer service and the coverage and network speeds are fine for my everyday needs. So far the N4 upgrade was best 200 dollars I have spent, and I sold my GNEX for 200 an hour after I bought the N4 so my out of pocket expense was zero, not bad.
bakron1 said:
Not a big deal for me, I hate AT&T and I have to have a GSM phone because I travel overseas for my business and CDMA is not and option for me. I still find T-mobile the best bang for the buck, hands down. I have never had any issues with customer service and the coverage and network speeds are fine for my everyday needs. So far the N4 upgrade was best 200 dollars I have spent, and I sold my GNEX for 200 an hour after I bought the N4 so my out of pocket expense was zero, not bad.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did they mention the 20 payments of $15 you'll be making to recover their loss on the phone and bringing your total to $499?
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda app-developers app
estallings15 said:
Did they mention the 20 payments of $15 you'll be making to recover their loss on the phone and bringing your total to $499?
Sent from my HTC Glacier using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I renewed my contract so it was 199.00, I was going to renew it anyways. I been with them for 6 years and have been more then pleased.
Please continue discussion here
T-Mobile Nexus 4 thread [DISCUSSION] [NEWS]
Closed

Screw you tmobile

Tried to buy one off contract at a T-Mobile store since my g nexus is on its last limbs and they refused to sell one to me. They said they were only for new lines. Pretty ridiculous, I'm punished for being their customer. As soon as my value plan contract is up I'm switching to straight talk.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Whoever said that lied to you. They offer all phones off contract, you should have asked to speak to a supervisor. That's the reason they offer a non commitment price in the first place.
What I would do is call another T-Mobile store while you're standing in that store.
Get customer care on the line and they will make them sell you the phone... They are trying to earn commission by only allowing new customers to get the phone and that is wrong and against policy.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
The supervisor is the one who told me this.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
immunityx said:
Get customer care on the line and they will make them sell you the phone... They are trying to earn commission by only allowing new customers to get the phone and that is wrong and against policy.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This would more or less be the reason.
Source: AT&T employee.
I called Tmobile and had a 4 shipped to me overnight. Got it yesterday.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium
Could you do this?
Got to T-mobile Store, sign up for a new two year agreement. Get the N for $200.
Call and cancel service. Pay EFT of $200. Keep the phone for $400.
It seems its only slightly more than the Play Store price, and less than the full retail price ($499?)
tech338 said:
Could you do this?
Got to T-mobile Store, sign up for a new two year agreement. Get the N for $200.
Call and cancel service. Pay EFT of $200. Keep the phone for $400.
It seems its only slightly more than the Play Store price, and less than the full retail price ($499?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Standard practice is to also charge you the the difference in the phone price if you cancel within the remorse period. You would have to keep the phone until after the remorse period, pay the service charges for that period, as well as the ETF.
tech338 said:
Could you do this?
Got to T-mobile Store, sign up for a new two year agreement. Get the N for $200.
Call and cancel service. Pay EFT of $200. Keep the phone for $400.
It seems its only slightly more than the Play Store price, and less than the full retail price ($499?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+ Activation fee + First month service
= $500 or less
Call customer service on that jackass. Go find a store that deserves your money
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
So....they paid 500 for the device off contract at a t-mo store? Why the heck would you do that?
Also if you cancel contract right after buying the phone ON contract, they're going to charge you the full "retail" price plus termination fee.
Because I'm currently phone less.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
I haven't had difficulties getting the phone (able to buy from the Play store) but T-Mobile isn't helping me switch from Verizon.
Online sold out of prepaid micro-sim cards
Went to store, wouldn't sell the micro-sim without signing up (then I can't do the $30 plan)
Ordered regular prepaid sim
Went to store, asked to cut the sim to micro-sim size, said they didn't do it for non-customers
Asked if I could exchange the regular sim for micro-sim, said no
Cut down to micro-sim size myself, activated online at 3:30pm Friday
Got an error message during activation, and have to wait for a text message from TMobile that it's activated, it's not 12pm Saturday
I'm in the process of doing that. He wouldn't give me the corporate number but I called the store I usually go to and they're going to give that to me.
PSA don't visit T-Mobile stores in prick neighborhoods. They're run by pricks.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Please keep all T-Mobile related rants and discussion in our thread specifically devoted to T-Mobile related rants and discussions here:
T-Mobile Nexus 4 thread [DISCUSSION] [NEWS]
Closed

Successfully activated black 32gb on Sprint

Just a heads up for those worrying, today my Nexus 5 and SIM card both arrived. I got the black 32gb version. I also was able to order a SIM card from sprint worldwide. I attempted to activate it through the website, but was prompted to use the chat option. The person with whom I spoke on chat asked for an ein/esn, and a sim number. I provided the mied and number for my new sim card. I then turned my phone back on, and viola, LTE and voice both work perfectly.
So don't be discouraged if you ordered a 32gb black Nexus 5 and have a brand new sim card.
Do they still charge $87/month even though you bought a phone outright?
.jond said:
Do they still charge $87/month even though you bought a phone outright?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am still under a contract from my previous phone, so that isn't going to change right now. I'll see what they will do next year.
goodfellaslxa said:
Just a heads up for those worrying, today my Nexus 5 and SIM card both arrived. I got the black 32gb version. I also was able to order a SIM card from sprint worldwide. I attempted to activate it through the website, but was prompted to use the chat option. The person with whom I spoke on chat asked for an ein/esn, and a sim number. I provided the mied and number for my new sim card. I then turned my phone back on, and viola, LTE and voice both work perfectly.
So don't be discouraged if you ordered a 32gb black Nexus 5 and have a brand new sim card.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes!! thats the best news i have heard in a long time!! should have my phone tomarrow!! thanks for the heads up:good:
I was able to as well
So we need to order a sim card to activate it on sprint?
Sent from my SPH-L720 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
.jond said:
Do they still charge $87/month even though you bought a phone outright?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sprint doesn't offer plan breaks like that. Whatever plan you are on costs the same if or if not you buy a subsidized phone.
Masterface7 said:
Sprint doesn't offer plan breaks like that. Whatever plan you are on costs the same if or if not you buy a subsidized phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what I was thinking.
So that begs the question, why pay $350 for a phone when you can get it for $50-100 with contract?
Can some post a link or tell me how to chat with a sprint rep? I cant find it on there page
Sent from my HTCONE using xda app-developers app
.jond said:
That's what I was thinking.
So that begs the question, why pay $350 for a phone when you can get it for $50-100 with contract?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Some ppl don't want to be on contract...
Sent from my SPH-L720 using xda app-developers app
.jond said:
That's what I was thinking.
So that begs the question, why pay $350 for a phone when you can get it for $50-100 with contract?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nexus can be a stop gap until you are due for an upgrade for a new subsidy.
I activated my 32Gb Black nexus 5 on sprint but only get 3g. How do i get LTE enabled. I used to get LTE in same spot on Note 3
dynamoracing said:
I activated my 32Gb Black nexus 5 on sprint but only get 3g. How do i get LTE enabled. I used to get LTE in same spot on Note 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you do not have the UICC Sim card, you will not be able to get 4G. If you do, and you still aren't getting 4G..... Then I'm sorry
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
.jond said:
That's what I was thinking.
So that begs the question, why pay $350 for a phone when you can get it for $50-100 with contract?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I found it had to talk to international dept
Sent from my HTCONE using xda app-developers app
dynamoracing said:
I activated my 32Gb Black nexus 5 on sprint but only get 3g. How do i get LTE enabled. I used to get LTE in same spot on Note 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You need a SIM card.
For those wondering, this is the thread explaining how to order SIM through Sprint worldwide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507893
Wonder if LTE connection is better than evo LTE and the one.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
even people with the correct sim card are still not getting LTE with the black 32 gig nexus.. see read threw this thread u will see.. the black 32 gig will activate but no one is getting LTE to work.. crazy http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/4989-lg-nexus-5-users-thread/
P.Mobile said:
even people with the correct sim card are still not getting LTE with the black 32 gig nexus.. see read threw this thread u will see.. the black 32 gig will activate but no one is getting LTE to work.. crazy http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/4989-lg-nexus-5-users-thread/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wouldn't be to worried, Sprint Memo sent out to their stores. Everything will work out eventually hopefully on the 8th when the 16GB version is launched on Sprint.
INFORMATIONAL
Nexus 5 By Google
Sprint and LG Electronics USA announced Nexus 5 from Google will be available from Sprint beginning Friday, 11-8-13, for $149.99 (16GB version) after a $50 mail-in rebate via reward card with a new line or eligible upgrade and two-year service agreement or $18.75 per month with Sprint One Up (excluding taxes).
The Nexus 5 will be available in all sales channels, including Sprint Stores, Web Sales and Telesales (1-800-SPRINT1). Customers can pre-order the device beginning Friday, 11-1-13, by visiting www.sprint.com/nexus5.
The sleek, powerful new LG tri-band capable device featuring Android 4.4 will allow users to take advantage of Sprint Spark technology for improved 4G LTE speed and capacity
The full press release is available on Sprint.com.
Note: Google Play Stores and UICC Cards
Preferred Retailers with an ASC
Google Play stores will be selling 16GB & 32GB Google Nexus 5 in their stores.
These devices are un-kitted and require a Sprint 4G UICC card in order to activate Sprint service.
These ESN's will be recognized by Sprint.
Since stores may not have inventory of these UICC cards we are going to ship 5 4G UICC cards (SKU = 760492013536) at no charge to each Preferred Retailer with an ASC.
This will allow you to insert the card and activate the device for the customer.
All locations should expect these UICC cards to arrive by or before the 11-8-13 launch of the device.
Dealers with No ASC
Sprint suggests Dealers with no ASC to send these customers to Sprint Corporate Owned Stores or Preferred Retailer ASC locations.
Standard activation commissions apply.
Sprint will also have these available in Ingram soon for Dealers to purchase as needed.
.jond said:
That's what I was thinking.
So that begs the question, why pay $350 for a phone when you can get it for $50-100 with contract?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are a couple reasons
Like me, someone may be not up for a new contract yet so the only option is to buy outright.
Someone maybe at the end of their contract and want to go month to month which sprint will do if a customer doesn't renew the contract.
If i wasn't only a year into this contract i would probably go for the $50 version as long as it was the exact same phone.

[Q] Buying note 4 outright...

Sooo just went to a T-Mobile store to buy a note outright to use on ATT but the sales person I got said they no longer allow buying the phone without at least a prepaid plan. Anyone else come across this?
Going to check out other retailers to see if I can get by without paying for 2 months of T-Mobile service on top of ATT :/
Try best buy.
Swappa.com and save some cash while your at it. A lot of XDA guys selling their stuff there.
Yeah looks like swappa+an unlock code would still be cheaper in most cases.
Seems that best buy only carries sprint Verizon and att?
vicariouscheese said:
Sooo just went to a T-Mobile store to buy a note outright to use on ATT but the sales person I got said they no longer allow buying the phone without at least a prepaid plan. Anyone else come across this?
Going to check out other retailers to see if I can get by without paying for 2 months of T-Mobile service on top of ATT :/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You should be able to sign up and just cancel if you have no other options. The fine print reads that if you are using the Electronic Installment Plan and you cancel then the remaining balance on the phone immediately becomes due. Does it say there are some other fees you incur if you cancel early?
I'm selling my Tmobile unlocked Note 4 ..Message me
vicariouscheese said:
Sooo just went to a T-Mobile store to buy a note outright to use on ATT but the sales person I got said they no longer allow buying the phone without at least a prepaid plan. Anyone else come across this?
Going to check out other retailers to see if I can get by without paying for 2 months of T-Mobile service on top of ATT :/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm always amazed by this lol, do you go in and say I just want a Note 4 or do you go tell them all your business?
I just think it depends on other factors, but idk I didn't have this issue but I heard others have.
I just told them i'm here to buy a Note I already had a plan. Activate a pay as you go for what $15 from Wal-Mart then go into store with the active line/account then they can't say no
Sent from my: SM-N910T / SQC100-4 with Tapatalk : PIN 2BFBBCE3: T-Mobile 4G LTE
bipoler said:
I'm always amazed by this lol, do you go in and say I just want a Note 4 or do you go tell them all your business?
I just think it depends on other factors, but idk I didn't have this issue but I heard others have.
I just told them i'm here to buy a Note I already had a plan. Activate a pay as you go for what $15 from Wal-Mart then go into store with the active line/account then they can't say no
Sent from my: SM-N910T / SQC100-4 with Tapatalk : PIN 2BFBBCE3: T-Mobile 4G LTE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Pretty much what i do
CheesyNutz said:
Pretty much what i do
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My store asked no question, I think it's a combination of who's asking and whose selling. I don't say any more than I need too
Sent from my: SM-N910T / SQC100-4 with Tapatalk : PIN 2BFBBCE3 : T-Mobile 4G LTE
Facebook.com/UnFazedRebel
bipoler said:
My store asked no question, I think it's a combination of who's asking and whose selling. I don't say any more than I need too
Sent from my: SM-N910T / SQC100-4 with Tapatalk : PIN 2BFBBCE3 : T-Mobile 4G LTE
Facebook.com/UnFazedRebel
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly
Fidelio_o said:
Swappa.com and save some cash while your at it. A lot of XDA guys selling their stuff there.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1. That is how I acquired my T-Mobile Note 4. Will eventually be putting up my "Excellent Condition" Verizon Note 4 as soon as the ETF get's billed and I either get it payed off via payments and/or my 6-8 week T-Mobile "debit" card comes to cover the costs. :good:

Categories

Resources