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Gingerbread Update

This is not intended as a speculation thread about Gingerbread update for optimus black!
I have seen some information on LG facebook page about the netherlands receiving the update. I would like to ask if this information is valid.
The reason for opening a new thread just for a question is that there is no other open thread related to Gingerbread update for optimus black on this forum.
Also I would like to ask the kind moderator overseeing this forum not to close this thread, but instead I suggest to keep it clean (by editing/deleting missplaced/insulting posts).
Should anyone have any other information related to the update, feel free to post it, just please don't "speculate"!

Translated from italian: Lg italia Facebook
In response to numerous requests received, LG has tried to speed up as much as possible the release of Gingerbread for Optimum BLACK declaring its readiness to start this week.
We regret, but there are problems with imperative that forced us to delay the release of Gingerbread for Optimus in BLACK.
LG's goal is indeed to ensure the highest quality releases on sw. We are confident to release the update in the coming weeks.
We apologize for the inconvenience and we thank all users of Optimus Black for your confidence.
sincerely
LG MOBILE.

My Europe Open phone does not currently have any updates besides v10E. Unless the system checks for the country in which you are currently in (as you can travel with your phone anywhere and the system checks for the IMEI afaik), there is no current update. A post will be made as soon as it is available.
Please DO NOT reply to this thread unless you have *proof* that it has been released, or any other official announcement (with source included). Any other reply will probably only be trolling or spamming. Thanks

fyi:
I live in the netherlands, and they still dont have the gingerbread update.
Source: dont have gb
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bellalmo said:
Source: dont have gb
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haha, I like your source

My phone has found an update just minute ago, but it's only 3.5 mb. I'm now on 2.2.2.
I can't install it cuz I need a charger for that.
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Theres nothing wrong of having a single speculation thread. We just need one place to talk about it. A moderator can just delete this thread once the official update is disclosed.
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BoyBawang2 said:
Theres nothing wrong of having a single speculation thread. We just need one place to talk about it. A moderator can just delete this thread once the official update is disclosed.
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What can you discuss about it? "is it here yet?!?!?!?!?!?" "why it is not here yet?????" "LG sucks" "the world hates us" "never going to buy LG again" "I hate you all". There is only one fact: it has not yet been released, and nothing we do will influence that, no matter how much we "discuss" it
That is the kind of answers you will shortly see in a GB speculation thread. Will it be helpful to anyone? most likely not. Will it get in the way of people that check this forum to actually see when it is really released? probably yes. Just my two cents

Well a lot of people want a speculation thread so why not give it to them?
Think admins are locking these threads for no good reason.
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I guess a thread about GB makes sense while LG announces officially update, then nothing happens, then LG apologize. It's good to write the news somewhere, for people who's time isn't unlimited for searching such things. And also, there's no speculation when there are official announces. A speculation is based on a thought, on something unsure and unknown, not a fact.

Man these moderators act like hard core dictators. Hope I don't get banned for this now. Lol
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Threads are closed because of posts that are rude or/and are getting far away the main subject : Gingerbread update. Not about if you hate LG or else. Reinbeau is just trying to keep our sub-forum clean as possible and understandable.
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Can anyone tell me what benefits GB have over Froyo? I don't think about bugfixes, i think about performance, new GUI options for MODs etc. Why do people want GB so much? And what does GB lack that will be so awesome with ICS? I haven't figured that out yet. I don't care for the new GUI, it looks kind way to flashy bling bling, dark with "blue neon", kinda geeky, lol.
I mean, i don't want my phone to look like a colorful toy, i want it to look sleek and sexy, and ofc preform well I'll mod every possible aspect of the phone, at least those whose look childish (and a lot of LG's crap do).

hulkhaugen said:
Can anyone tell me what benefits GB have over Froyo? I don't think about bugfixes, i think about performance, new GUI options for MODs etc. Why do people want GB so much? And what does GB lack that will be so awesome with ICS? I haven't figured that out yet. I don't care for the new GUI, it looks kind way to flashy bling bling, dark with "blue neon", kinda geeky, lol.
I mean, i don't want my phone to look like a colorful toy, i want it to look sleek and sexy, and ofc preform well I'll mod every possible aspect of the phone, at least those whose look childish (and a lot of LG's crap do).
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It has a better battery management, also RAM. Graphic performance improved. Some other optimization here and there. But you won't notice it for daily use
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Sobralobo said:
Threads are closed because of posts that are rude or/and are getting far away the main subject : Gingerbread update. Not about if you hate LG or else. Reinbeau is just trying to keep our sub-forum clean as possible and understandable.
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yes,our forum is very clean

alyy81 said:
Man these moderators act like hard core dictators. Hope I don't get banned for this now. Lol
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Sobralobo said:
Threads are closed because of posts that are rude or/and are getting far away the main subject : Gingerbread update. Not about if you hate LG or else. Reinbeau is just trying to keep our sub-forum clean as possible and understandable.
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Thank you. And a glaring example is right above your post. Alyy81, posts like yours are why these threads get closed.
You do not need a thread where people rant, rave, whine and cry about the antipated GB update. It benefits no one and causes nothing but disruption in the forum. If it were to remain an informative place where real information could be shared it would be one thing, but that's not the way these threads generally go. They get reported. By forum participants. It isn't an arbitrary decision on my part or on any other moderator's part. For responding to reports and keeping the forums clean we get berated, called stupid, dictators, and any other manner of vile insults.
This thread is now closed. As will be any other thread opened like this. If any real information comes out send it to me and I'll post it in the thread I updated today. Send me a PM with the information and if it is real, good information it will be posted.

Sign the petition to encourage LG to release ICS for dual

http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...s-speed-and-change-your-information-politic-2
Sign the petition this is in many. Let us hear

Great!
[ITA]rocky said:
Sign the petition this is in many. Let us hear
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Great. I signed it!

Me too .. yesterday... ^^
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Signed...

spyne82 said:
Me too .. yesterday... ^^
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1) this is not the first time.....several times before petitions have been filed for ICS.
2) this is not the right section guys
3) I have filed my vote a few hundred times....also this time....
Kindly refrain posting in other sections which are not related.
Nothing to hurt or offend anyone. Sorry if I have.
CAN SOME MOD TAKE NOTE AND MOVE THIS THREAD AWAY TO A RELEVANT SECTION PLEASE

This thread doesn't belong here. And, don't you realise that this can't and won't change anything?

Signed

signed
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http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...s-speed-and-change-your-information-politic-2
Sign the petition this is in many. Let us hear
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Signed....

Why? I think ICS is already rolling out for our device.. Also no need for it as there are better custom ROMs out.. If you want to force lg do something then force them to release Jelly Bean instead.. Therefore I suggest you to go to http://www.facebook.com/LG and shout "We want Jelly Bean!!! we want Jelly Bean!!!".. As other customers see this protest it could hurt LG more then a Petition nobody sees..

signed

Signed

242 signatures. Thanks.
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i will sign this but it just so simple:
Buy another smartphone next time. i've made the same mistake current using optimus 2x and i will never, i repeat, NEVER NEVER buy another LG product again.
LG is not a small brand in the world, they are big and they know how to make theyr business, if they dont want to give atention to support smartphones and focus on tv, or another area will be simple to us make they feel they mistake.
people uses htc and samsung are so close of it support, just change to it.

Just signed. Lets hope that something will move on!

rafaelsartori said:
i will sign this but it just so simple:
Buy another smartphone next time. i've made the same mistake current using optimus 2x and i will never, i repeat, NEVER NEVER buy another LG product again.
LG is not a small brand in the world, they are big and they know how to make theyr business, if they dont want to give atention to support smartphones and focus on tv, or another area will be simple to us make they feel they mistake.
people uses htc and samsung are so close of it support, just change to it.
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No dude. Its not so simple. The fact remains that we DID buy the o2x and therefore demand attention and solution to our issues which are btw totally legitimate. I personally cannot by any means afford a new phone, not now nor in the foreseeable future, so what you are mentioning on your post simply does not apply to me.
EDIT: I do however agree with you on this. LG: NEVER, EVER AGAIN

Ximo F. Verde said:
No dude. Its not so simple. The fact remains that we DID buy the o2x and therefore demand attention and solution to our issues which are btw totally legitimate. I personally cannot by any means afford a new phone, not now nor in the foreseeable future, so what you are mentioning on your post simply does not apply to me.
EDIT: I do however agree with you on this. LG: NEVER, EVER AGAIN
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Those petitions exist since 8 months and haven't change anything... And please move the thread to General section.

F.U.LG...............
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don't think so, signed it also but searched for LG at change and there are quite some peititions. Devices that should get GB straight after release and 2000 signed users and NOTHING happend.

signed for developer , they can not do best thing if they do not have best sources

Ximo F. Verde said:
No dude. Its not so simple. The fact remains that we DID buy the o2x and therefore demand attention and solution to our issues which are btw totally legitimate. I personally cannot by any means afford a new phone, not now nor in the foreseeable future, so what you are mentioning on your post simply does not apply to me.
EDIT: I do however agree with you on this. LG: NEVER, EVER AGAIN
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In your words look like you get mad about mines, my intention wasnt that, sorry if it happens. I just say that cause is the way many company do.
they developed the product, they sell it and promise the GB upgrade. (Nobody promised to give you more updates, the more that they could promisse to you was GB).
then they started dev for another products, ant then another and there goes. the team of
LG are now developing the 3rd or 4th top smartphone since O2X and maybe they are not envolved anymore on O2X process. (it can be true or not).
my words was: "normal company dev a product and them go to another"
"good comanys dev a product, support them and goes for another later"
"perfect companys have a dev group to bring new ones and another group to give support for all it product"
.... and we already trully know that LG isnt a perfect company, thats why im saying next phone change lets go for another company. btw i cant afford new one now, so i do a lot research on my next step when it comes possible.

When the Official ICS Release for P990 by LG for other Countries

I know every one are excited with Official ICS release of SU660 and waiting for Source code to be released to taste the CM10 as earliest...
I am also like you only and waiting for SU660 source code release...But I believe it will be worth tatsing of Official ICS release by LG as they are claiming LGUI 3.0 has better user experience and they took a year to build...
So, Please post any info related to Offical ICS release date for P990 for other countries like INDIA, SINGAPORE, EUROPE...etc....

their is already a thread to discuss on this topic.
so pls dont make this stupid thread to ask this simple question go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347118
ask ask their.
now delete this foolish thread

What part of "all discussion here" you don't understand? I hope this thread will be closed.

Are you guys teenagers or something? Learn how to speak to people
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OptimusXX said:
I know every one are excited with Official ICS release of SU660 and waiting for Source code to be released to taste the CM10 as earliest...
I am also like you only and waiting for SU660 source code release...But I believe it will be worth tatsing of Official ICS release by LG as they are claiming LGUI 3.0 has better user experience and they took a year to build...
So, Please post any info related to Offical ICS release date for P990 for other countries like INDIA, SINGAPORE, EUROPE...etc....
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There hasn't been anything concrete announced and it keeps getting pushed back. All we have is hearsay.

You already asked this on the ICS thread an hour before you started this thread. You got an answer, so why the f*ck would you start this useless thread if you already got your answer?
If there was any concrete news about that, you'd know it. Close this thread, Hulk...

No news, it comes when it comes
And now we wait for the hulk to work his magic in this thread
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OptimusXX said:
So, Please post any info related to Offical ICS release date for P990 for other countries like INDIA, SINGAPORE, EUROPE...etc....
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Let me check my crystal ball for you real quick. No. Can't say a thing. Because there is no country called Europe. Geography tip: Europe, surprising as this might come to you, is a whole continent. Like North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica. It consists of 50 separate countries.
So with this new info in sight, let me check the crystal ball again. No. Sorry. No luck again. Even the crystal balls don't know when exactly ICS will be available...

ICS will never get released for the International p990 because that will take away potential Optimus G, etc. buyers. The fact is they already had a working ICS since May and probably have a polished one now but chose not to release it after some marketing research. Personally they are right, having ICS on my phone will make me uninterested on buying new ones. They only released ICS for the SU660 because it was only released in South Korea, a relatively small market and won't hurt their bottom line.

I guess s3nr1 may be right. but there is a down fall in that perspective, some lg clients are already unsatisfied with this, and may choose to buy from another company like samsung and htc, Optimus G is that smartphone with the most powerfull cpu, but and the rest? software is more and more the better part of the hardware.

This may happen after Christmas, because it's buyers activity grow point in Europe.

what s3nr1 said, makes sense, but i hope lg doesnt think like him

Supupa said:
He has a valid point of p990 of lg not releasing ICS officially. Read his statement more thoroughly.
In short, by releasing ICS for the 2x many users won't have to upgrade their phone, for another year at least, impacting on lg's profit from new device sales.
Honestly, I myself think they will release it. But in December sometime...
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If they don't upgrade P990 to ICS, I highly doubt any P990 user is going to buy another piece of electronic hardware that has to do with LG (including the Optimus G or whatever it's called). But if they do give us the upgrade, there is still a small chance they'll keep some of the current customers.

vanmarek said:
If they don't upgrade P990 to ICS, I highly doubt any P990 user is going to buy another piece of electronic hardware that has to do with LG (including the Optimus G or whatever it's called). But if they do give us the upgrade, there is still a small chance they'll keep some of the current customers.
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I think he has a point. No one would buy a Optimus G but it looks like we'll get an Optimus Nexus - and a lot of us would buy phone where updates are handled by Google.
I don't care though, I have no plans to run stock anyways hehe.
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I think what LG will do is first draw all available customers to their new releases, and when the initial sale dies down, they will come out with ICS for the 2X and the other phones. So they will make their money, and will then consider keeping the customers did not upgrade to the new models happy.

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[Q] {V} Clock Work Mod & More

Hello!
Upgraded my ZTE Blade to a Xperia V. I made a major leap in technology . But the development front seems to be at a stand still. Maybe the phone is to new or to unpopular. Anyhow I guess that in time we will get more custom ROM's to our phone. But CWM was a easy way to install new roms. I used it on my ZTE. Anyhow, is it possible to use this in our phones? And the tutorial for rooting the device is too cluttered ( Thinking about this thread ) for inexperienced users. How do I even come in to service mode to be able to upload my new rom/kernel?
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Sweden

First its to new and second we in Sweden are one of few countries where V has been released so far. Most countries wont get V until next year.

bylund said:
First its to new and second we in Sweden are one of few countries where V has been released so far. Most countries wont get V until next year.
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Ah that makes sense. So we will have to wait a while (months maybe a year) until any development will a cure. I thought they where pretty much alike (T,TL,V) so I could use their roms but that seems to be wrong, I guess that they don't have LTE support.
I can't post in the developers forum because of too few posts. But have anybody here tried the CyanogenMod that's posted there?

swefos said:
I can't post in the developers forum because of too few posts. But have anybody here tried the CyanogenMod that's posted there?
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hmmmm, you need a lot more reading before you can start posting.
If you mean my thread is to cluttered, it is not, there is a lot of information to take in and therefore done time is needed to read it.
Secondly, after a bit of reading you will learn there is no built in recovery in Sony phones, you have to instal it yourself.
Thirdly, read the threads about rooting, and unlocking, all the information is already out there
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How do I customise the signature on xda premium app?
EDIT, Now i am at my pc I can see you did not mean my thread, but championshipswimmers thread is very straigtforward.
My point still stands.
Before I flashed anything on my ohne I spent several days reading up on things, and since you are new to sony I recommend the all in one thread. Follow my signature ink to find it.
Read it, try to understad it, then ask questions in that thread on what things mean.
A few days reading to understand things wont stop you being able to customise your phone the way you want it, but it maystop you bricking it.

A read about the forum state regarding Kit Kat OTA update

This is not a rant or a moan or whatever you want to call it. This is just clearing a few things up after the last few days what i have been reading on the forum.
Firstly support for N4 will still be there after this update, and i am sure we have at least one more major update to come for our beloved device. People saying that our phone will be next are just talking rubbish. People all over the forum are crying thinking that our device will be next. Until a confirmation from Google can people please stop with the conspiracy theories.
Also regarding with the launcher. Now i am not that really bothered if it gets released or not as i do not use Google Now. But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
I love my phone and i do not see a reason why i should upgrade to the Nexus 5. I do not want though people in the forum to start moaning about things that are not official yet from the God itself which is Google. Yes they are not perfect but until the actual release gets to our device and we have things missing then fine all hell can break lose.
Oh and one last thing. Yes am gutted that we not got the update soon as the release came out but we are still the first to get it were other mega devices are not getting it at least December or Xmas the earliest..So am still thankful for the Nexus line. But that will start not meaning anything soon anyway if they carry this new strategy of there to put money first before anything else.
But till then please take a chill pill people.
This will get shut down and deleted am sure but i just wanted people to read this and seriously take it easy till there is ACTUAL CONFIRMATION by GOOGLE THEMSELVES..
Mods sorry if this should not be here but sometimes a man has enough when reading through the forums and having whiny kids whine all the time.
And to add...We are XDA...If things go missing and are not included in the build that our beloved N4 should get then people trust our great and respectful Developers here who are if you do not mind me saying better than those at Google..We will have those features that the N5 has and if not should be better build than stock...So please show your support for our devs and less whining and help this place for newbies instead of moaning all the time about something that has not been confirmed yet

:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess

Ignasiuz said:
:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess
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exactly my friend. until something has been confirmed i do not understand why people are panicking. and by the next update which will be by summer time our phone should be more than capable to handle it and i am sure we are in for that to. phones should have a support from the OS development team ie Google at least maximum two years...so why are people are stressed is beyond me.
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say

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But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
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Sure there is confirmation. It is not included in the Nexus 7 WiFi KitKat update. And Google confirmed it with The Verge and said it is possible they will bring it to other devices other than the N5 someday but not initially.

Great post OP.. You know what I think it is? Purely my opinion after mulling over how absolutely weird the 4.4 rollout and release has been.
Ever been in a corporate environment where someone important is replaced? It's hell.. JBQ left and was replaced.. So here you have a new guy who is pulling the old corporate "I'm new and have to flex my superiority and change things to make it look like I'm doing something different and being productive" (ie: Fishing for his next promotion).. This happens in nearly every business.. It's hilarious to watch happen in real life because most employees know it's coming.. 3 months later after everyone hates the new guy and his useless changes everything goes right back to the way it was. I'm certain all the rumblings this is causing is being heard..

This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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In b4 lock

No please, not again.
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forever_lol said:
No please, not again.
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Its called discussion. If you do not want to participate then don't post. Hence why the other thread got closed
Cause useless posts like yours
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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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Goku80 said:
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say
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It has to do with the Ti core not being supported anymore. Also, not being supported by Ti did not meant it doesn't work for Galaxy Nexus, just means Google would not support a device without former support to its hardware.
Anyways, Galaxy Nexus got 4.4 already, go Install it

forever_lol said:
Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion will be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and closed. Good luck though
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Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?

forever_lol said:
Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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It is not about getting many thanks..To be honest got enough already as it is. Now moving on

a g bell said:
This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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Notice the GSM/LTE tablets haven't got an update yet either...

RealiZms said:
Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?
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To be honest the reason why i opened this thread is to get my opinion about the many things that i have read on the forum. Many false information that is going around by others is beyond ridiculous because they listen to tech sites most of them without any proper confirmation by Google itself...Now as to regarding the updates that are coming for our device if there is an official changelog by Google to say what are the changes from the older nexus devices compare to the N5 then i will eat my hat if it is out already stating what we are getting and missing out on..
But again people forget that XDA is here to help..Hence why we should not be ranting and raving
What am trying to say is that i want this thread to stick to a proper adult discussion about our device regarding the build that we should get..And i do not want people to give mis-information till we get it from the Big Boss itself

Sent from my Nexus 4

I can understand your point here OP but, the purpose of forums such as this one is to allow for open discussion on a topic. I see no issue with speculation or assumption as long as people keep their heads. That is, after all, what makes things interesting and keeps people intrigued. If we went purely on the facts at hand 100% of the time, discussions would end fairly quickly and most forums would be desolate places.
Just my .02

Thread closed at request of the OP