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My Xperia Z failed the water test out of the box!

Hello all, just wanted to inform all that I've experienced this odd thing with the Z that no one has seemed to have gone through, not sure of course...
But before anything else, as it was a huge selling point for a lot of hiking and travelling me, the water proofing needed to be tested.
I took it out of the box, peeled the plastic protectors off the front and back glasses, threw it in a glass.
- Now my camera has some fog inside, the volume down button has started to work again after half an hour, the loudspeaker is understandably very bad right now.
- Currently trying to get the fog out of the camera and hoping the loudspeaker to go back to normal.
- I will contact Sony tomorrow to discuss the problem and will update this as often as I can.
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Solved!
- As Akiainavas has pointed out to me, it is actually written in the instructions manual, it is normal for the camera to get foggy between shifts from under water to outside the water, I've tested it work perfectly under water.
- Once dried out, all is good, it just took a lot longer for me compared to other people because of the low room temp I am used to I guess.
- The phone is all good, all working.
* Now on the to-do list: Unlock, Root, Flash, Enable Bravia through the whole user experience!

I heard that this is actually not uncommon. Let it dry. Try again tomorrow.

Indeed, i tested it the day i got and noticed the sound was very low after it was wet. After a half an hour (max 1 hr) sound will come back with normal volume. It's some protection thing i guess

It's just water on the speaker membrane that distorts the sound. Haven't got my phone yet, but try blowing it out. Waiting it out should work as mentioned.

AlienCraB said:
Now my camera has some fog inside
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Still have that problem?

Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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nikhiltanwar said:
Maybe its a faulty device with regard to that camera fog.... Can happen to one in thousand devices...
Surely sony will replace it...
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This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone

stiffi2011 said:
This brings up a Good question. Has anybody read the warranty?Does it actually Say You are Covered it you purposefully dunk it in a bowl of water?
I mean I understand there have been demonstrations doing this but it Seems like a really silly thing to do with your brand new phone
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the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...

never had any issues with fog in the camera on my xperia acro s, even after having it in my pocket while swimming
the speakers issue is common though, but thats expected, as water is going to get inside the speaker holes no matter what, but all I need to do is just shake the phone and blow where the speakers are and they work perfectly fine after that

Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?

Right, it's been 12 hours now, I left it to dry out in a bag full of humid absorbing silicon bags over night.
- Right now the fog inside the camera lens is gone.
- However I think it is out of battery so I plugged into charging.
CaFFeiNe666 said:
the matter is...
xony xperia Z has the CERTIFICATION, wich isn't something you say you have, is something that has to been tested by a specific organization...
so if is certified i think you have warranty right...
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Exactly what I have in mind, I will be contacting Sony about this no matter what, the phone failed the water test out of the box, it is a feature they promote and demonstrate heavily. If they don't cover it in their warranty despite all the promotion and the effort they have put in this phone, then they are just idiots who have absolutely no idea of how one device failing like this can damage the image if they don't back it up with their warranty.
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Uh...did you even at least try to test out to make sure the phone is working good before dumping it into the water?
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Yes, it was all fully working - tested its other features without opening any of the covers to make sure the water test was legit for an hour or so.
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Update: The phone is working, buttons all working, speaker working, camera fog gone and this time it didn't come back as soon as I took it out of the air lock bag.
I am still contacting Sony to get information on what I should do, how I should feel...
I will test it again after my talk with them and on the direction they've given. Mind you, I tested it only in a half full glass of water so what I will do is to try and reproduce the problem.
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Update 2: I have just noticed that the charger is actually 1.5A and you cannot charge the phone from a computer unless you have a non-standard USB port like a 3A one that Gigabyte motherboards have.

Put mine in a vase of water yesterday for 5 mins and all was well, love it
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When submerged, and after that:
- Speaker will have very low volume for a while, until it dries off
- There might be a "fog" on the camera because of humidity and temperature differences
- Hardware buttons might not react perfectly until the water dries off
It's perfectly normal. It's in instruction manual... but whoever reads those these days

Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.

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So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.

Akiainavas said:
The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.

mustaine8661 said:
If that's the case then then that's awesome!
It'd make sense too, as what's the point of going to all the trouble of getting it certified water-resistant and advertising it as one of the main features, and then saying to everyone that gets the slightest bit of water ingress that they're f**ked.
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I trust Sony in this aspect. There are water sensitive tapes under every cover ( those little white things ) so they'll know which one leaked.
Also, remember what happened with Tablet S - it was supposed to be waterproof, but they detected a manufacturing defect that caused some of them to leak. Sony called every customer to Sony Center and provided a replacement of their device - dead or not, warranty or not... that's how you do it.

mustaine8661 said:
Quick copy and paste from the Sony UK website.
"[2] In compliance with IP5/7 and IP5X, Xperia Z is protected against the ingress of dust and is water resistant. Provided that all ports and covers are firmly closed, the phone is (i) protected against low pressure jets of water from all practicable directions in compliance with IP 55; and/or (ii) can be kept under 1 metre of freshwater for up to 30 minutes in compliance with IP 57. The phone is not designed to float or work submerged underwater outside the IP55 or IP57 classification range and should not be exposed to any liquid chemicals. If liquid detection is triggered on the handset or battery, your warranty will be void."
So it's only designed to be water resistant, and if it gets water damage, you're out of luck.
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Akiainavas said:
The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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I've read it somewhere that the interior also has water resilient coating actually for when tiny amounts of water goes in, I wonder if that's why the camera gets fogged inside because I just don't get how there can be fog when there is no humidity allowed into the interior components as long as you are in the limits of the IP57 certification.
Am I wrong in this? Does water proofing not mean the device not allowing any humidity inside whatsoever? or Is it that the air molecules carrying the humidity inside can still get past the water proofing?

Akiainavas said:
The thing is - it won't get damaged unless you leave the covers open. I asked Sony about it and apparently they have some tests to determine that - most likely a water detection that can be used even when the phone is dead. I think they'll probably just close the covers and put it in water to test it again, if waters gets in - it means your covers are flawed and you'll get a replacement. If not - it means you fkd up and you won't get your phone replaced.
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under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )

CaFFeiNe666 said:
under flap covers there's a water-sensitive material wich becomes pink when water enters slots i've seen a photo from a review, but he has put his xperia z in many kind of water, beer too (beer has bubbles and carbon dioxide )
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I'm much more likely to spill beer over it rather than water in perfect honesty, so thanks for the info there!
Not that I want to spill any beer... it's so sad when I do :crying:

[Q] Does my Xperia Z lost water resistance?

Hello,
I have my Z from its release. I tried its water resistance the first day i recieved it, all was OK. I recorded many videos underwater, in swimming pool, at home, and everything was always ok. Everytime i took it in water, I mindfully closed all the covering caps.
But today, I got a problem. I took my phone with me to water, as whnever I did, and when I was looking at it after "bathing", my camera was fogged - it was wet INSIDE. I tried to check those white indicators under covering caps, and those at USB port and headphone jack were RED. I also noticed tiny droplets of water there. Everything else is however working. No display issues, headphones are playing, USB works too.
I must remark that my phone dropped me on pavement from my pocket about month ago (scratched corners), but its resistance worked until today.
What now? Should I claim it? What do you guys think? I bought Xperia Z mainly for its water resistance. It is very distressing that I can take it in water any more.
Edit: one problem detected - mobile data doesnt work.

Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.

Dsteppa said:
Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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I read somewhere that on the repair service they check if the flaps provide the necessary seal against water. If they provide enough seal, and you have the indicators turned red, they blame you for not having closed the flaps correctly, on the other hand, if the flaps show defects and let water through, even when properly closed and with moisture indicators turned red, they still service your device under warranty.

Dsteppa said:
Since the indicators are red you have nothing to stand on, they will just say that the flaps were open and you won't be able to prove them wrong.
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They were closed. I was always checking them before going in water. Im 100% sure. And yes i can prove it. They can close the flaps and test phone and see if there is water or not.

Dropping the phone may have caused an open gap somewhere and water leaked in.
Nothing you can do, just argue your way in and hope for the best.
If you know you are a clumsy person, you should have gotten a case.
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In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.

Don't tell them you used it in the swimmingpool, it clearly says in the instruction booklet that you should't.
Swimmingpool water contains acids and chemical products that may destroy the rubber seals over time.

I think I know what happened. Flaps may be ok (I tested to put the phone in water again - there were no water under them, but water still got to a phone - my volume down is damaged now), but the right issue is that back plate is raised a bit around the camera
Type "Sony Xperia Z repair, disassembly manual" on youtube.
As you can see on this video, right under the plate are phone GUTS. The plate can be raised by warming it. Thus it can raise when you play games or a sun is shining on a phone. All Xperia Z owners, check your back plate too if it is OK or raised! I believe this is that water resistance issue..
The fog in camera disappeared during the day and when I removed SIM and put it back, mobile data begun to work. Bad thing is that volume button doesnt work (as I said above). The button itself is ok and its not stucked or pressed, but when I turn phone on, it always starts in safe mode and I cant volume down, I can just volume up (using the button; I can volume down using display), so I think button contacts are fu**ed and phone thinks the buton is pressed. I think only thing I can do now is going to repair service.

I could never imagine submersing my phone in water. not worth the risk.
I treat my XZ as water resistant. I'll text people when im in the bath with wet hands etc.. but never put it in water

eiestsa never
vibecatalin said:
In the pictures the phone has a the back glass lifted, maybe that was the problem. I have the back lifted too , but not that high as yours.
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Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?

I've read somewhere of someone using bleach on a cotton bud VERY carefully to whiten the markers.

I had a similar issue, take it to the service center & get it fixed.

VykoJust said:
Yeah, you are right. I think thats the issue. Did u try to put it in water if it is ok or not?
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No, but I think I will try.

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No, but I think I will try.
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Those flaps are piece of crap. Especially that flap where charger/data cable go. Since we playing with it every day, my guess is that sealing got weaken and that's why water got thru the phone. Gap may be less than tenth of a millimeter ( <0,1 mm) and water can easily come in.

i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)

hebbe said:
i think it's time again to bash those people who warn others not take their phone into water, as the xperia z is not waterproof, but just water resistant. and that's more likely to protect the phone from accidental drops into water, rather than to go diving/bathing/filming with it in water.
and those warners know what the IP-rating says ("...half an hour"..."submerged 'till half a meter"....)
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If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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kingvortex said:
If people actually followed that advice, then there would not be multiple threads like this one, where people have destroyed their phone.
What is the point of deliberately putting your expensive phone in danger, IP rating or no IP rating?
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gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.

tudork said:
gosh, not this discussion again! It does not matter what the point is or if there is a point or not. If the producer communicates that this phone CAN sustain without damage being in water i-don't know-how-deep for i-don't know-how long, then this phone SHOULD do it. The intentions of the users, or whether there is a point or not in taking your phone to the swimming pool, are NOT important. It is IMPORTANT that whatever was promised to the user SHOULD BE VALID.
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Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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kingvortex said:
Perhaps you have a point, but if you go to a service centre with red water ingress indicators, you will be paying to have your phone repaired as they will say it was caused by user negligence. End of story.
If you do not put your phone into water for no good reason, it will never get water damaged. Why are people using the IP rating to excuse a complete lack of common sense?
Why do people NEED to put their phone into water regularly?
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because they bought the phone with the intention that they can do this with it. They've seen it in official Sony commercials (phone used during rain, phone washed under running water after being splashed with color paint, on exhibitions Sony employees dropped it in aquariums, smashed the phone on the floor repeatedly to demonstrate that the glass won't break). I heard that in some shops they even have the Z in a water tank all the time and only take it out for charging. There was that show in Czech Republic where two models used the phone under the shower and so on.
The phone has an ip57 rating which clearly states that you can submerge it into water for 1m and up to 30 minutes. I also believe that you can leave it there for much longer and it SHOULD be okay, only the depth is important. The deeper you go, the higher is the water pressure and the seals might leak.
Now, cars also have ip ratings for water protection and different levels for the interior of the car and the outside. Inside it might be ip54 (water, mud and splashes when entering the car with wet shoes or boots) and outside it's even ip59 or ip58K which means it's protected against water ingress when used with high pressure water jets (e.g. car wash!).
I'm sure most people would complain, if there brand new car is flooded with water on the inside after they went to car wash. The same is true for this phone!
An ip rating is an ip rating and not like "buhu, it's ip57 but it can only manage 3 drops of water before it breaks!". If that is the case, I could have keept my S2 which also survives a few drops of rain without damage. If Sony can't manage that, they shouldn't have advertised it like that or given an ip54 rating or something lower.
You can't claim your phone has the SECOND HIGHEST protection against water there is and then say: "Stay away from water". It's like: "your car has 6 airbags, but don't expect them to work in a crash" or "your Porsche can go 300 km/h, but don't ever try it"
People put their phone in water because they can and should be able to.
If the XZ can't and should be used in water, I'm sure most people would have bought a non water proof phone instead because it would be the same. I was drawn to this phone because of it's water resistance.
I'm beeing very paranoid and bought a 5€ waterproof bag for my phone which I tested yesterday for 6 hours submerged in the sink. The paper inside stayed perfectly dry. Even though my XZ should be waterproof on its own, I think double protection is always better. The bag seems to be waterproof, and even if by some chance it is not, then my phone won't be damaged, because it's supposed to be waterproof too!
With this double protection, I'm still afraid to take it to the pool, but might do so eventually which I wouldn't have done without the bag.

Yes, you do have a point. At least somewhat anyway.
For a start, the manual tells you to avoid chlorinated water. So no swimming pools. I wonder if this is why the water resistance appears to have failed in this case.
I could point out other things that the manual tells you to avoid, but everyone here has already read it before going swimming with their phone, right?
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Gear waterproof

Hello guys, yes i know i could google that, and did, but i do not figure out whether it is water restistant/proof.
i found this :
http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-V7000ZWAXSP-features
GALAXY Gear is certified IP55*, protected against penetration of dust and water splashes from daily use.
and watched this
/watch?v=sgIQdee4wDI&list=PLA8B9BACF92DA70AB
but i still do not know if it is water prof,
if i can do swimming or go bath with i ?
Which places are demageable(loudspeaker..?) what if i would make waterresistant TESA film on it?
Has Anyone some experinces with water or other influences ?
Please tell me
Thank you and have a awesome life friend !

it is "splash proof" meaning it shouldn't get hurt from occasionally getting a little water on it from sources like walking in a light rain, or washing your hands without submerging it.
It is most defiantly not water proof, do not submerge it under water, it will die.

Yes what Milimbar said. Don't bath, or swim with it.
Some users report the camera fogging up after getting wet.

creasqui said:
Hello guys, yes i know i could google that, and did, but i do not figure out whether it is water restistant/proof.
i found this :
http://www.samsung.com/sg/consumer/mobile-devices/smartphone/android-os/SM-V7000ZWAXSP-features
GALAXY Gear is certified IP55*, protected against penetration of dust and water splashes from daily use.
and watched this
/watch?v=sgIQdee4wDI&list=PLA8B9BACF92DA70AB
but i still do not know if it is water prof,
if i can do swimming or go bath with i ?
Which places are demageable(loudspeaker..?) what if i would make waterresistant TESA film on it?
Has Anyone some experinces with water or other influences ?
Please tell me
Thank you and have a awesome life friend !
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and google didn't show you the other threads on XDA covering this already?

there was a post some time ago from a guy that left it on accidentally in the shower and it had no damage but i woudlnt recommend that

Just a quick selection:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2590033
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496940
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458450

I accidentally submerged mine while cleaning the fish tank pump. I nearly pooped when I did it but quickly shook off the water and it came out unharmed. Admittedly, I didnt go trying to take pictures afterward but the next day, the camera seemed fine too. That was two months ago and haven't had an issed or another serious accident.
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From the OP's link:
GALAXY Gear is certified IP55*, protected against penetration of dust and water splashes from daily use.
* IP55 rating means that device is protected against penetration of dust in quantity to interfere satisfactory operation and harmful ingress of water under test condition of spraying the enclosure from any direction with a stream of water from a standard 6.3mm diameter test nozzle for up to 3 minutes. According to accredited test results by Korea Labouratory Accreditation Scheme, individual results may vary.
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This is pretty specific and precise it seems to me. Not sure what the OP is unclear about.
From the IP55 rating, no, it is not suitable for full immersion for any length of time, nor is it protected at any depth.
Rather -- again just from the description above -- you can hit it with a stream of water for minutes at a time, from all different angles, and it will be fine.
IOW, no problem with getting it wet. Yes problem with immersion.

dwallersv said:
IOW, no problem with getting it wet. Yes problem with immersion.
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Phone died after water got inside the usb port flap

I just got my phone 3 months ago, this is my first ever high end smartphone that my parents bought for me (costs $800 here in PH). Now, we went for a swimming, my phone is inside my pocket, then my cousin suddenly pushed me to the pool. My phone's flap (USB/micro sd part) was already not working because the rubber that holds it got removed. Then my phone died, I panicked for minutes, didn't know what to do, since I'm not in our home and I don't have any drier or anything. I tried to turn on the screen, it went back but it blacked out again. I removed the memory card and my sim card, I tried to blow it then let dry in the towel. After an hour, I put it in a bowl of rice to let it moist for two days as suggested by my Aunt. After like 2 hours, I checked my phone, it was warm (37-40 C maybe), it was still on, and it produce a sound for like every 5 mins. I turned it off by clicking the power button and the up volume together, it vibrated for three times, I put it again in the bowl.
Just right now I checked my phone, I turned it on. The Sony logo just appeared by a second then black, after that the android logo came up. When it got to the lockscreen for like 2 secs the screen suddenly shut down!
OMG what am I gonna do now? Is my phone already dead? This is so expensive my parents are gonna kill me . I need some help right now. I cant go to any service center of Sony right now because it's Holy Week here in the Philippines. Do you have any suggestions for me? (Sorry for my very long story and bad english)

Your phone is dead.

You fried it lol just power it off for minimum 24 hours in rice or silica gel and Do Not use a drier lol
Why would you power it on after only 2 hours?

Yes, do that for more than 24 hrs and pray. A lot.
Had this once with a S3, but it was never completely under water, just totally soaked from heavy rain while hiking. It worked until I smashed the screen two times in a short row.
As a sidenote: even if the Z3c is promoted as waterproof, I'd never take it close to any situation where it could get totally wet. Even if hiking and inside a case and my pockets I always put it in a ziplock bag if rain is to be expected...

I'm happily playing ingress on my phone in the pouring rain. No case, no ridiculous zip lock bag.
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tudork said:
I'm happily playing ingress on my phone in the pouring rain. No case, no ridiculous zip lock bag.
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We got a bad ass here #thuglife

Howlbeck said:
even if the Z3c is promoted as waterproof, I'd never take it close to any situation where it could get totally wet. Even if hiking and inside a case and my pockets I always put it in a ziplock bag if rain is to be expected...
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That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day.

Return for guaranty.
It's supposed to be waterproof.

Mazzeru said:
Return for guaranty.
It's supposed to be waterproof.
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Obviously not with the flaps open...

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Obviously not with the flaps open...
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From what he said, they were closed, but defective. Which happens if you open them regularly to charge / connect to pc.
Defective flaps are also a motive to return. The phone is IP65/68. As such, it shouldn't be damaged in any way from continuous immersion before 3 meters.
Obviously if bootloader is still locked. (even so, I think a lawyer could force them to take the phone under warranty. The eula is quite vague about "modifying the phone")

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From what he said, they were closed, but defective. Which happens if you open them regularly to charge / connect to pc.
Defective flaps are also a motive to return. The phone is IP65/68. As such, it shouldn't be damaged in any way from continuous immersion before 3 meters.
Obviously if bootloader is still locked. (even so, I think a lawyer could force them to take the phone under warranty. The eula is quite vague about "modifying the phone")
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Yeah it is waterproof and a defective flap is a reason to get it fixed under warranty. But if you have a defective flap and you drop it in the water then Sony does not have to fix the whole phone.
Well, this is how it works here in Brazil.

Who pushed you in the water with a cell phone in your pocket? Why can't this be their fault?
Phone is likely bricked.

Howlbeck said:
Yes, do that for more than 24 hrs and pray. A lot.
Had this once with a S3, but it was never completely under water, just totally soaked from heavy rain while hiking. It worked until I smashed the screen two times in a short row.
As a sidenote: even if the Z3c is promoted as waterproof, I'd never take it close to any situation where it could get totally wet. Even if hiking and inside a case and my pockets I always put it in a ziplock bag if rain is to be expected...
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What? You put a waterproof phone in a ziplock bag?
I took my z3c swimming with me in my pocket in pools, the sea, and some waterfalls. Taking pictures and videos, the primary reason I bought it. No case, no ziplock bags and it's perfectly fine.
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GlebunV2 said:
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read all day.
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jerverg said:
What? You put a waterproof phone in a ziplock bag?
I took my z3c swimming with me in my pocket in pools, the sea, and some waterfalls. Taking pictures and videos, the primary reason I bought it. No case, no ziplock bags and it's perfectly fine.
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Good for you
However, better safe than sorry - regardless if some find it ridiculous, I don't care.

Howlbeck said:
Good for you
However, better safe than sorry - regardless if some find it ridiculous, I don't care.
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You shouldn't have bought a waterproof phone then.
But my Z3C was only 8 days old. Water drops got inside USB Flaps, even though it was closed properly, no damage, no nothing. I think it was some thread though. Tested it second time, as was good.

I did buy it because of a lot of things, none of them being waterproof...
I care for my gadgets as I don't buy them on a plan/budget but at full price. It's easy to get it for 1 EUR/USD or whatever and then complain if it gets destroyed because of "supplier promised, supplier has to fix it at no cost" mentality. Anyway, each to his own.

Not to extend a useless discussion, but I also buy my phones at full price, no network discount. And one of the reason I bought this phone is its resistance to water. I haven't swam with it yet, I'll be scared before I do, but rain... Even my Motorola razr maxx could take rain drops. This phone can easily take rain.
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I don't think it's useless, it shows how we care about our phones.
I agree, there is rain and rain. You call it a few drops, I call it getting soaked in heavy rain while outdoors for hours with no chance of cover. Eventually you will get soaked to the skin, including your gadgets.
If everybody here takes it to the shower, pool, sea or whatever - so be it. If it survives - good. If it doesn't: do not complain. Simple.

Howlbeck said:
I don't think it's useless, it shows how we care about our phones.
I agree, there is rain and rain. You call it a few drops, I call it getting soaked in heavy rain while outdoors for hours with no chance of cover. Eventually you will get soaked to the skin, including your gadgets.
If everybody here takes it to the shower, pool, sea or whatever - so be it. If it survives - good. If it doesn't: do not complain. Simple.
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If it doesn't survive when all precautions are taken (Flaps properly closed and dipped solely in Fresh water), Sony is liable, if they deny warranty then it's time for a lawyer.
I'm only a kid, they took me for granted with my Z1 (Defective screen and Speaker) until I threatened them with Legal consequences.

Mazzeru said:
From what he said, they were closed, but defective. Which happens if you open them regularly to charge / connect to pc.
Defective flaps are also a motive to return. The phone is IP65/68. As such, it shouldn't be damaged in any way from continuous immersion before 3 meters.
Obviously if bootloader is still locked. (even so, I think a lawyer could force them to take the phone under warranty. The eula is quite vague about "modifying the phone")
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It's rated for 1.5 meters, not 3.

Question how long can stay underwater the phone?

Hello,
I am thinking to purchase it, and I was wondering how long can stay underwater.

luckypiglive said:
Hello,
I am thinking to purchase it, and I was wondering how long can stay underwater.
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Years, maybe centuries
Who knows!

Depends, do you want it to work afterwards?
But seriously, the S21 series is IP68 certified. That means that it will survive in 1.5 meters of water for at least 30 minutes.
Someone tested their S21 in a fish tank (so, less than 1.5 meters) and it lasted for 15 days before dying.

bitpushr said:
Depends, do you want it to work afterwards?
But seriously, the S21 series is IP68 certified. That means that it will survive in 1.5 meters of water for at least 30 minutes.
Someone tested their S21 in a fish tank (so, less than 1.5 meters) and it lasted for 15 days before dying.
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yes, ofcource, I live in an island and occasionally I work on a boat as part time, and I want to take pictures in the water or on the boat and I must be sure that even if it sinks for some time or I drop it that will survive.
Lol it lasted 15 days? I wont sink it for so long.

luckypiglive said:
Hello,
I am thinking to purchase it, and I was wondering how long can stay underwater.
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How long is a piece of string? answer follows below...
One point rarely discussed is what KIND of water?
IP68 certification testing is conducted using clear water with no contaminants or additives.
Submerged in drinking water or in a river and the phone will most likely match or exceed the IP68 ratings.
Sea water (salty), swimming pools (chlorine) or water containing soap/detergent/chemicals.... that is a totally different scenario and even short exposure could shorten lifetime of the device... even if effects are not immediately noticable on the day.
Finally, I read somewhere that IP68 ratings are for a NEW device. Rubber-seals etc will degrade over time so a whereas a new device should survive 30 minutes in up to 3m of water, repeating the test in 12 months, perhaps 10 minutes submerged in clear water could cause irreperable damage.

dezborders said:
How long is a piece of string? answer follows below...
One point rarely discussed is what KIND of water?
IP68 certification testing is conducted using clear water with no contaminants or additives.
Submerged in drinking water or in a river and the phone will most likely match or exceed the IP68 ratings.
Sea water (salty), swimming pools (chlorine) or water containing soap/detergent/chemicals.... that is a totally different scenario and even short exposure could shorten lifetime of the device... even if effects are not immediately noticable on the day.
Finally, I read somewhere that IP68 ratings are for a NEW device. Rubber-seals etc will degrade over time so a whereas a new device should survive 30 minutes in up to 3m of water, repeating the test in 12 months, perhaps 10 minutes submerged in clear water could cause irreperable damage.
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Yup these are all good points.
The IP68 certification is only under 1.5M of water. If you are on a boat in the ocean, and it drops to 10M or 15M then there is going to be greater pressure on those seals. Should it be fine? Yes, but it's really luck of the draw at that point.
If you want a phone that is made for the elements find one that is ruggedized and has more water protection - these are usually bulkier. Or, use a case which should add some water protection to it.
These are high technology electronic devices, which don't usually play well with water.

DO NOT USE THE PHONE UNDER WATER!
Unless money means nothing to you because you own too much land on the island you live. lol
The phone is made to survive in water if an accident happens. But using a 1300 euro phone for water pics is just a bad idea. Especially in sea water.
Get a go pro or something and enjoy a worry free adventure.

The only question you need to ask yourself is when it goes in the water, and does not survive is if you can/want to afford to replace it?
Water damage is NOT covered under warranty, regardless of rating.

luckypiglive said:
Hello,
I am thinking to purchase it, and I was wondering how long can stay underwater.
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30 minutes but that's 30 minutes longer than the warranty allows. They say the phone can be submerged but the warranty does not cover it. Every phone out there that can be submerged also comes with the caveat it should not be.

I use mine all the time underwater to record video in my pond and when snorkeling in saltwater. I've never had an issue on this one or any other S lines.

I have used it a couple of times underwater but they state water RESISTANT. They ship it tested as water-resistant so if the moisture sticker is triggered they will state the phone has suffered damage to its integrity and not covered by warranty. They do not recommend you use it underwater and they do not state It is waterproof.
If I was going to use it underwater more often I'd probably get one of those zip bags for using pone underwater.

lywyn said:
I have used it a couple of times underwater but they state water RESISTANT. They ship it tested as water-resistant so if the moisture sticker is triggered they will state the phone has suffered damage to its integrity and not covered by warranty. They do not recommend you use it underwater and they do not state It is waterproof.
If I was going to use it underwater more often I'd probably get one of those zip bags for using pone underwater.
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ohhh thanks! I didn't think about it!