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I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
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Scott
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582123
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575940
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I am new to this XDA and am awaiting my time for renewel to get the HD2 - this will be in January which means I will be about 2 or 3 months away from the release of WinMo 7. My question is about the HD2 and the possibility of it being able to upgrade to the new OS out next year.
Also when MS releases minor updates to the WinMo OS how do you get them to your phone.
I am probably asking simple questions but this seems a great place to ask and get a straight answer.
Thansk
Scott
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Hi Scott
Minor updates through windows update on the phone;
Re. Windows 7 nobody really knows if they will be able to upgrade to the official version. The hardware seems to be there so it depends on if HTC will release an updated Rom for it (assuming your provider has not put their own customised one on the phone in which case in which case you are reliant on them as the HTC Roms won't work.
On the other hand I am sure that after a little while you will be able to find a rom here that you can flash to if you want to and are brave enough to.
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
vangrieg said:
A rule of thumb I have for myself to evaluate the probability of an official ROM upgrade from HTC is this:
If a new OS version comes out within 6 months of a device release then you have a good chance to get an upgrade. So if WM7 is released in Q1 2010 then we may get it.
HTC got the habit of releasing their flagship devices right before the Christmas shopping season. This means that by this time in 2010 we're very likely to get an HD3, and HTC won't spoil the show by giving a second life to their by that time outdated cash cow. So WM7 in Q4 2010 equals no upgrade for sure.
Q3 2010 = not likely at all, but not impossible
Q2 2010 = not likely, but possible.
Something like that. Now if somebody can pick their HD2 and give a call to Steve Ballmer and ask when WM7 is going to be out we can continue the guessing game with more data than we have now.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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I suspect the only reason the Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 got 6.5 was that by the time it came for a US release, 6.5 was about to hit and they'd looking stupid with a "premier" device with 6.1 being outdaded in weeks. Of course then they had to give it to the rest of the world...
I put the chance of an official WM7 upgrade at about 1%.. and that's including a 1% chance of Microsoft forcing their hand. WM7 and the HD3 (or otherwisenamed spiritual successor) will both hit in about 12 months.
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Actually that is one of the things the iphone has going for it - It has changed so little from when it was originally released that other than the size of the drive they are really very similar (most of the changes being available to existing phones through os updates).
Actually - come to think of it I don't know if that is really an advantage or just boring!
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Yup it's the other side of the coin. They have the stability of platform implementation that WinMo lacks, but that stability leads to stagnation. Developers know 100% what the target platform will be (well maybe a little faster, an added feature here and there, but essentially a keyboardless portrait HVGA device) but it also means that the consumer will never have the option of one of the countless form factor options available on WinMo.
Stability vs. flexibility. Both have their pros and cons and you only get to pick one. Microsoft & Google have gone one way, Apple the other. It's good that we have the choice.
Indeed it is
One line in the article is scary. A nightmare revisited perhaps? That "WP8 will be supported for at least the next 18 months."
That is what a year and half? MS is known to release an update anyways not before a couple of years. So does that mean that the support of the "flagship" WP8 devices terminate even before the devices are launched?
LUMIA 900 is perhaps an example that we should be careful??
Your views?
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..."WP8 will be supported for at least the next 18 months." ....
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Hmm.... Only Connor MacLeod, the Highlander is immortal. The lifetime of the rest stuff (including me, you and Windows) - is limited. Are you going to live forever?
You currently don't get any guarantees for longer support on any mobile platform. Apple does support it's devices longer but it is not guaranteed in any way and the iPad 1 is left out of iOS 6 although it is not that old.
The 18 months was also a plan Google announced on the IO conference last year which many manufacturers failed to live up to.
My guess (according to several interviews with Microsoft employees) is that they will not do a change to the system that goes so deep again anytime soon (where would they move as they now switched to the Desktop OSs underpinnings?). It still is a given that at some point in the future your device again won't be getting updates.
The question you are posing is if those 18 months could mean that if I buy a WP8 in 16 months it might get left behind 2 months later. Those 18 months which are guaranteed are based on the age of the device (when it was first released). A Lumia 900 kind of situation should therefore not happen again. That your device might no longer receive updates before your contract is up might happen, given that you might a) not buy the device the day it comes to market and b) the contract is regularly 6 months longer than the time frame for updates.
Where is the source with the original quote? A quick Google gives me the quote: "Microsoft will support Windows Phone 8 devices [with updates] for at least 18 months" (My emphasis).
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-will-offer-ota-updates-18-months-of-support/
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Where is the source with the original quote? A quick Google gives me the quote: "Microsoft will support Windows Phone 8 devices [with updates] for at least 18 months" (My emphasis).
http://www.technobuffalo.com/compan...-will-offer-ota-updates-18-months-of-support/
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I can kind of see what your saying but then you could argue (especially Google) that not many devices actually get support for 18 months, So if you go and buy a new WP in Oct/Nov then it will be supported for 18 months. Unlike new Android phones, Microsoft is not fragmentated (not including WP7.8). This means ALL first gen WP8 will be supprted. New Android phones come out on a weekly basis and is NEVER guranteed to get the latest Android update (unless its a Nexus).
You could argue both ways...
I believe Microsoft will be looking after 1st Gen WP8 early adoptors, but with things changing in the world of tech who knows?
I will probably get a new WP8 and a WinRT tablet to work alongside my Xbox and my Laptop... that is an ecosystem that not even Apple can rival!
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I can kind of see what your saying but then you could argue (especially Google) that not many devices actually get support for 18 months, So if you go and buy a new WP in Oct/Nov then it will be supported for 18 months. Unlike new Android phones, Microsoft is not fragmentated (not including WP7.8). This means ALL first gen WP8 will be supprted. New Android phones come out on a weekly basis and is NEVER guranteed to get the latest Android update (unless its a Nexus).
You could argue both ways...
I believe Microsoft will be looking after 1st Gen WP8 early adoptors, but with things changing in the world of tech who knows?
I will probably get a new WP8 and a WinRT tablet to work alongside my Xbox and my Laptop... that is an ecosystem that not even Apple can rival!
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Hmmm..when its android I don't fear much...for obvious reason that I can root it and flash the latest OS. Not so much so with WP8. For it, I only and only have to rely on MS.
So if they decide tomorrow that my device doesn't have the necessary hardware (deja vu?), I'm screwed...
That, was my fear...
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The chances of that happening are pretty slim.
WP8 got a huge update over WP7 (i do not use the term huge lightly), which made the incompatibility stuff a problem.
Unless some huge leap in technology happens in the nest 18 months or so, we won't see this kind of problem again. It is highly likely that current wp8 will run wp9.
I for one don't think hardware will advance at such quick rate in the coming years.
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I can kind of see what your saying but then you could argue (especially Google) that not many devices actually get support for 18 months, So if you go and buy a new WP in Oct/Nov then it will be supported for 18 months. Unlike new Android phones, Microsoft is not fragmentated (not including WP7.8). This means ALL first gen WP8 will be supprted. New Android phones come out on a weekly basis and is NEVER guranteed to get the latest Android update (unless its a Nexus).
You could argue both ways...
I believe Microsoft will be looking after 1st Gen WP8 early adoptors, but with things changing in the world of tech who knows?
I will probably get a new WP8 and a WinRT tablet to work alongside my Xbox and my Laptop... that is an ecosystem that not even Apple can rival!
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It's not an argument though is it. It's simply the facts.
Google doesn't support Devices for a variety of reasons - Not least of which is that it's freeware OS, and there are several hundred devices with new ones each week.
MS have said that they will support devices for 18 months, and this is achievable, there will be maybe 50 of them by the time 18 months is up, and the manufacturer (and so in the end user) pays for the OS.
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Hmmm..when its android I don't fear much...for obvious reason that I can root it and flash the latest OS. Not so much so with WP8. For it, I only and only have to rely on MS.
So if they decide tomorrow that my device doesn't have the necessary hardware (deja vu?), I'm screwed...
That, was my fear...
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These type of comments mystify me. Of the following announced WP8 features which ones were you expecting to get on your current phone?
Multi-core processor support
1280x768 and 1280x720 screens
removable MicroSD cards
NFC wireless sharing
This is about indervidual devices not Windows Phone 8 itself! They are saying that from when a phone comes out you will have at least 18 months support (far more than anyone else promises) this does not mean that WP8 will be chopped up like 7! They switched kernel that's why you cant upgrade and they did that to be sure they have last ability.
U miss the point.
18 months is fine if it was Android. But WP8? From their track record, 18 months qualifies for one upgrade.
But not like other devices where even first gen phones enjoy the very last update...(how they perform is all together another argument).
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Given that Microsoft is not going to change the Kernel again (where too - they are now running the Desktop OS on mobile devices) at least the community here will likely be able to provide those updates. Given that the original Developer phones like the LG panther have been able to receive at least OS updates using the CAB-Sender-Method this might be an option going forward.
But if it's ok for you to have the new version of the OS running in a kinda working way, with kinda weird problems and kinda annoying glitches it might be an option to go with Android. I'm running CM9.1 on my SGS2 which works without problems but it's one of their stable releases and they recently decided to ditch support for older devices with the Snapdragon S1 (which is also found in the 1st Gen WP7 devices). There are still ports around for those devices but with those it is like I mentioned above (glitches, problems, etc.)
In the end smartphones age quickly and at some point it is not really viable keeping them updated even though more than 18 months are definitely doable (but as was mentioned: no one guarantees you that it is a good experience).
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U miss the point.
18 months is fine if it was Android. But WP8? From their track record, 18 months qualifies for one upgrade.
But not like other devices where even first gen phones enjoy the very last update...(how they perform is all together another argument).
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If your were responding to me, then I miss the point again. I literally don't understand most of what you've said or the meaning - sorry.
Do Android phones get official updates 18 months after release? Not even all of the new release Android phones have the latest OS version.
What does "But WP8? From their track record, 18 months qualifies for one upgrade." mean? WP7 was released 2 years before WP8 will be released and all current WP7 phones will get WP7.8 which itself is not being released until after WP8 and may not be until next year, so that's well past 18 months. Also MS have stated that WP7 was a stop gap until WP8 was done, so a major OS change is not going to happen.
"But not like other devices where even first gen phones enjoy the very last update" Which phones and OS are you talking about? Apple don't have the latest OS on their oldest Iphones, and new Android phones don't all have the latest OS either. You've really confused me...
Are you complaining that MS will only guarantee to support all devices for only 18 months, while lauding the other OS makers who do less) because XDevs try to do it for them?
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If your were responding to me, then I miss the point again. I literally don't understand most of what you've said or the meaning - sorry.
Do Android phones get official updates 18 months after release? Not even all of the new release Android phones have the latest OS version.
What does "But WP8? From their track record, 18 months qualifies for one upgrade." mean? WP7 was released 2 years before WP8 will be released and all current WP7 phones will get WP7.8 which itself is not being released until after WP8 and may not be until next year, so that's well past 18 months. Also MS have stated that WP7 was a stop gap until WP8 was done, so a major OS change is not going to happen.
"But not like other devices where even first gen phones enjoy the very last update" Which phones and OS are you talking about? Apple don't have the latest OS on their oldest Iphones, and new Android phones don't all have the latest OS either. You've really confused me...
Are you complaining that MS will only guarantee to support all devices for only 18 months, while lauding the other OS makers who do less) because XDevs try to do it for them?
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Wasn't exactly talking to u...but since u replied:
Yes..no other OS supports older devices. Be it iOS or Android. BUT, having said that, it is as easy as turning your computer on when it comes to updating those devices..
It is..er..unethical to an extent...but who cares...I have the latest OS.
BUT, but...when it comes to WP, there is no way out. The fate of THAT device hangs in thin air. If MS decides to pull the plug, game's over.
So even though iPhones and Androids of the world see an (unofficial) update. Not so much so a WP device....
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Wasn't exactly talking to u...but since u replied:
Yes..no other OS supports older devices. Be it iOS or Android. BUT, having said that, it is as easy as turning your computer on when it comes to updating those devices..
It is..er..unethical to an extent...but who cares...I have the latest OS.
BUT, but...when it comes to WP, there is no way out. The fate of THAT device hangs in thin air. If MS decides to pull the plug, game's over.
So even though iPhones and Androids of the world see an (unofficial) update. Not so much so a WP device....
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I am really confused by this post. What you are saying is that because MS make PC's and you can update a PC they should update ll there phones forever even though nobody else does? You claim its ok for android to do it because we can hack the updates on? How would that be diff from doing it to wp??? Name me one WP that is not on the latest OS version! There isn't one.
How is MS supporting your device for its life span a bad thing esp when Android comes out outdated most of the time yet that's fine. How is having a guarantee of updates leaving you out in the air????
Total garbage so do us a favor and engage the brain instead of just being a hate monger Android fan boi
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I am really confused by this post. What you are saying is that because MS make PC's and you can update a PC they should update ll there phones forever even though nobody else does? You claim its ok for android to do it because we can hack the updates on? How would that be diff from doing it to wp??? Name me one WP that is not on the latest OS version! There isn't one.
How is MS supporting your device for its life span a bad thing esp when Android comes out outdated most of the time yet that's fine. How is having a guarantee of updates leaving you out in the air????
Total garbage so do us a favor and engage the brain instead of just being a hate monger Android fan boi
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U got me all wrong my friend. I'm just saying, giving it a date "18 months" was a little scary.
Secondly I don't like Android anymore and love WP8.
MS isn't supporting my device for the lifetime and that's my worry...
Hope I'm clear now...
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circleofomega said:
U got me all wrong my friend. I'm just saying, giving it a date "18 months" was a little scary.
Secondly I don't like Android anymore and love WP8.
MS isn't supporting my device for the lifetime and that's my worry...
Hope I'm clear now...
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How long do you keep your phone? I heard of 2 year contracts but who actually keeps it for that time without buying out? Even if so you get guarantee of 18 months not a maximum of 18months most likely you will get longer but they have to cover themselves. Also as you said before MS is more prone to big updates hence a big one each year with a smaller in the middle meaning that you should get your 18 month update that should last until the 2 years is up before the next is out anyway. I think that covers most life of phones as it covers most contract lenghs and is far beyond what the competition is doing.
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Wasn't exactly talking to u...but since u replied:
Yes..no other OS supports older devices. Be it iOS or Android. BUT, having said that, it is as easy as turning your computer on when it comes to updating those devices..
It is..er..unethical to an extent...but who cares...I have the latest OS.
BUT, but...when it comes to WP, there is no way out. The fate of THAT device hangs in thin air. If MS decides to pull the plug, game's over.
So even though iPhones and Androids of the world see an (unofficial) update. Not so much so a WP device....
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WP have unofficial custom roms. The only reason that IOS and Android have more is because more people are making them, and you can't blame MS for that, especially while they guarantee to provide official updates.
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WP have unofficial custom roms. The only reason that IOS and Android have more is because more people are making them, and you can't blame MS for that, especially while they guarantee to provide official updates.
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Oh my goooood....I'm misunderstood thrice in a row...IM NOT BLAMING MS...it's just a question..."IS" WP8 live short too??? Its a question... anyway
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Oh my goooood....I'm misunderstood thrice in a row...IM NOT BLAMING MS...it's just a question..."IS" WP8 live short too??? Its a question... anyway
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Then the answer is no, it is not to short.
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Then the answer is no, it is not to short.
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Thanks.. that is the reply I'm looking for...
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about the rom, i want to know is WP8 rom are all Microsoft?
i mean if Microsoft put an OTA update on there cloud will i get is on the same day on 8X or 920?
or its like android where nokia or htc have to deliver it after optimization for there phone?
and for devs if some one is working on hacking WP8? and if soo is it going to be a custom rom or a jailbreak like IOS?
thanks
Won't be anything like IOS, far far far from It. It'll be exactly like WP7. Each device will require different exploits.
Some devices will get custom mods(hopefully), some won't. Simple as that.
Regarding your first question all updates come from Microsoft.
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The process with WP7 has been like this:
- Microsoft develops the OS specific updates
- Updates get sent to OEMs and Carriers for Testing and driver updates in case of the OEMs
- after approval by their partners Microsoft deploys the updates from their servers
There has been lots of speculation that with the introduction of the OTA Update system Microsoft will push smaller OS updates without carrier/oem testing. Actually installing an additional language pack for voice recognition which many people have done already uses that same update system. Core system updates still will have to go through the OEMs to ensure there are no compatibility issues with their hardware.
In that way there is no guarantee that all updates will be pushed to all devices in the same timeframe (Microsoft has never notified all devices of an update on the same day - they are using a staggered approach that rolls out updates over 3 - 4 weeks, similar to what they are doing with XBox dashboard updates, though it seems that manually checking on the phone should make the update appear anyway).
All in all past updates following Nodo (Microsoft's first update to WP7) have arrived on the majority of phones over such a 3-4 week timeframe, although there have been exceptions (Tango was not rolled out on some US carriers at all and Telefonica in spain regularly lagged behind by some months).
thanks ppl !! i got it now! i just hope in WP8 it wont be like android where users wait 6 months for a jelly been update or 4.1 -> 4.2
How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh
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How long do you think ppl have been waiting for 7.8, duh
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i meant after the update is published and has been delivered to HTC Samsung and ech
7.8 went RTM around two weeks ago. People are waiting for updates naturally but it's not like Microsoft releases them for some while everyone else has to wait.
soo basically we will never escape the wait for an update... beside nexus but i dont like android...
Recently, we noticed lots of OP3/3T users asking questions related to future software support for their devices. To better keep everyone in the loop, we invited @oliver Z. , our Head of Product to answer some of the most commonly asked questions from the community.
David: Hi Oliver. First, could you please explain why many more updates were released for the OP5 than the OP3/3T in recent times?
Oliver: Sure, we have been gathering plenty of user feedback on the OP5 following the launch in mid-June. We dedicated our efforts in the first 1-2 months after release to better satisfy users’ needs and boost our latest product’s capabilities.
Normally, we release a new Official Release (OTA) update every 1-2 months. If you’d like to taste some of the latest OxygenOS features earlier, and receive updates more frequently, you’re more than welcome to join our Open Beta Program. Currently, we release Open Beta updates for the OP3/3T approximately once every month.
David: Some users asked why some new features, which are available through the Open Beta Program, are not implemented in the stable build releases on the OP3/3T?
Oliver: We’ve always positioned the Beta Program as a public laboratory for new features, feedback, and bug testing. This helps us improve the code of all of our MP builds. We unfortunately, cannot guarantee every feature present in the Open Betas will transition to the Official releases. Often times, even though the feature seems stable enough in the Beta builds, they are not ready or do not meet our quality standards for public release. (And yes, sometimes we test the value of upcoming features through the Open Beta Program for release in new or upcoming devices or later software updates.) In some situations, our limited development and QT resources force us to bring these features to one device first. These features are then introduced on other older devices further down the road. We love how the program has grown, but we do have to admit that we still have room to improve and better optimize the Open Beta Program.
Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank our users who have joined either our Closed Beta Program or our Open Beta Program. You have all helped us shape the functionalities and quality of OxygenOS.
David: What are you planning with regards to security updates for the OP3/3T?
Oliver: In keeping with the original schedule, we planned to update OxygenOS on the OP3/3T to version 4.5, with the latest security patch level update, in the next 1-2 months. However, some feedback from the community caught our attention and we decided to tweak it a little bit. We’ll split the update into two parts. First, we’ll update the security patch level to August, which will be released soon. The OxygenOS 4.5 update will be released at the scheduled time.
David: So the OP3/3T will soon catch up with the current version on the OP5, but some features on the OP5 will not be available on the OP3/3T, right?
Oliver: Yes, those missing features are mainly a result of hardware differences, such as the availability of Reading Mode on the OP5, which depends on the RGB sensor. The OP3/3T don’t have that hardware interface, so we are unable to release this feature on these two devices. The same reason applies to the new off-screen gestures and DCI-P3 screen calibration.
David: My last question is very important to OP3/3T users. How long will the OP3/3T continue to receive software support?
Oliver: Android O is going to be the last Android version update we’ll release for OP3/3T. We’ll continue to release security patch updates for the foreseeable future, and offer support for individual application updates. After the OP3/3T have been updated to Android O, we’ll start moving the Open Beta Program from OP3/3T to OP5.
Alright that's all I wanted to ask. Did you find answers to all of your questions? If not, leave your questions in the comments below and we’ll get back to you soon. Thank you all and enjoy the upcoming weekend!
Yours,
David
Friends I am sharing this just FYI that OP3/3T support is going to receive O and few updates after that and then the open beta program will move to OP5 and slowly the support for OP3/3T will end as usual with older models.
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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Not sure what you really expected. This has been the companies MO since day one. If you thought it would be different then no one is at fault other then you. Do the needed research and you will be fine. Also just a news flash but the every device is old by the time you get it. Heck unless you compile the OS your selfe then your software is outdated as well.
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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When O comes out the device will be about 18 months old. The same cut off point that other flagships offer. Some flagships never even see an update.
What I mean to convey is simple. If you are worried about updates then the only way to be sure is to get a device that you can build the OS for yourself. Most devices (even Flagships) come with outdated kernels and to be up to date you would have to flash every single day and sometimes a few times a day.
android.reddy143 said:
I did not understand what exactly you would like to convey.
You mean that , OP no exception , compare to any other organization? If you agree that ..all other companies respect thire flagship devices at most recent, even though they release different flagships in a year.
And other vendors are not able to provide software update very frequently due to various reasons ex. Hadware compatibility, upcoming model in the same price...etc. Here they did not annouce anything from company for flagships.
OP had releases flagship devices and no support get from company? Strange...[emoji15][emoji24]
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Actually you get a damm lot support. Look how many updates there have been. Samsung still runs 7.0 if you have a Huawei you get 6 updates spreaded around 2 years, those updates contain minor bug fixes nothing special at all. And so on. You paid €400 for a phone and expect everything!
People complain at anything, Every device is supported for 24 months or less.. in most cases 18 or less Be glad it's getting O and not the sh!t show OP2 was.. But I give credit where it's due to OP my OP3 has had way more updates and fixes than my S7 Edge and that costs twice the price.. and still running outdated sh!tty 7.0.. So all isn't bad as long as OP keeps their devices up to date and fast with source code I can see them being the device to go to for Modding as such
android.reddy143 said:
With in a year the OP3 has turned as old device ..?[emoji22] ..opting OP3 is very bad experience.
Stop selling the product in Amazon India..
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We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
MarcTremonti said:
We got or will get 3 major android versions on op3, thats actually pretty good for a manufacturer. What did you expect?
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The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
zelendel said:
The device did not get 3 major android versions as that would mean it came out with 5.0 but it came out with 6.0 even though 7.1 had been out when it was released.
Either way. The device should be ok for unofficial updates for atleast another year or 2 before the lack of updated kernel source will make the updates less.
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Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
MarcTremonti said:
Read my post. I said we got or will get 3 versions.
Marshmallow, nougat und the new O. So 3 versions. And thats pretty decent.
Besides that its an ex flagship, so we will enjoy good custom rom support.
Even my old Htc One S (jellybean latest official update) recently got nougat ressurrection remix which is working flawlessly.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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OP3 Shipped in June 2016, 7.0 didn't release till August 2016..
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I wouldn't call it a flagship but close enough.
It shipped with 6.0 when it should have shipped with 7.0 at least. So I don't count that at all.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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What else to call it? It directly competed with other flagships.
And it coulndt be shipped with 7, when 7 wasnt even available to that point, lol. So you can count 6.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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I call it a high midrange.
No I never count the OS it comes with.
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Totally agree. The OS the phone comes with out of the box is never counted as an update. :highfive:
If we get Android O, that will be our 2nd major OS update.
I agree with others that we've definitely had better support than Samsung Flagships in the past year.
Support has been great. Look how much updates we got, next to that how many of them where useful? Alot! We got alot better support then Samsung and Huawei at least. If they bring us a proper and stable Android 8.0 I am completely fine with it! Keep in mind this only is a €399/429 phone .
So I have a few questions that searching for answers has either been vague or given me old, outdated articles and answers if any at all. Coming here to see if maybe you guys can help bring some clarity.
I still have not received the November security patch. I'm using an Unlocked Pixel 5 with an AT&T sim. This is the first time I have not been able to get an OTA update on my phone when I saw it was released. I was using the 12 beta on my device but my wife hasn't gotten one either.
Pixel tips mentions the enhanced voice typing on my phone but I do not have it available to me. I am on the Gboard beta program and I briefly got it when it was in it's trial rounds and it works great but is no longer available. Is this a 6/6P exclusive?
Those are the two biggies right now. I know things like magic eraser and stuff are exclusive to the P6 (even though they work perfectly fine on other devices and other features have been tested on non tensor devices). I understand Google needing to incentivize an upgrade to the 6/6P but it's kind of frustrating when features that clearly work or have been tested on older devices are not made available/no longer available on their older devices that are able to run them. Maybe a feature drop in the future will address these issues but the two questions above I'd love some insight on.
Hi. I think I might be able to help. I also have the 5. I am not in the Beta program, however I believe you have to be off the beta program to receive security patches for this lot.
https://9to5google.com/2022/03/07/pixel-march-22-security-patch/#more-475705
The Enhanced typing _is_ something that is exclusive to the P6 because of the on board processing available via Tensor. That was the whole reason big G went with their own chip. The only reason why I know this is because I'm hard of hearing and I utilize the voice dictation all the time. On the 5 it's online, on the 6 it can be either online and or offline by my understanding.
Hope that helps.