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Something is weird in the dev section...

I don't understand/speak english very well, but it seems it's like if all the dev who's working on the Note are fighting against each other, like children
I respect the devs and their work, but everything would be better if all the devs unite all together in order to do a great ****ing rom...

Whats your assumption based on?
I have big respects for all devs / chefs here. If it wernt for eyebe i wouldnt have solved some issues in the early days of my rom. Theres always healthy competition which is good for users and peeps who suffer ocfd.
And if someone is critical in a constructive manner then it spurs you on to perfect as best you can. Androids open source and that ideology is used in cutom roms. Share and enhance pushing the boundaries of whats avaliable and All for the benefit of the users on xda. In an ideal world eveyone would work on one rom. However its not and people like choice and variety and thats what you have here.
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I don't get the impression that there's any bad blood in the dev forum, but if I had one wish, it would be that every dev would need to state their design philosophy (and perhaps some of their methods) in the beginning of the thread, to get a better feel if their particular product is for us.

Without ROM competition will not be a good product. All interested in promoting ROM developers will try to offer the best.

Yeah, one might think so, they are fighting against each others.
But if y ou read between the lines it is because some "devs" just don´t care about some sort of protocol.
"steal" ideas from each other without giving credits and so on.
It´s up to everyone themservesto judge this as childish or narrow minded, but it´s the opinion of those devs themselves which finally counts in the end.
I personally had it seen coming. so many differenz people working on same or similar project. It has been a matter of time that some Devs cross their lines.
I would love to have them having shake hand and to combine their powers to create an even more powerful project, but those people seem to have to be some sort of lone wolf to be creative in that way.
Anyway we´ll see what happens. And I guess many more motivated devs coming when official sources from samsung will become available to devs.
That will massively push ICS developement further for our device.

As you can see miui post has been closed
It's impressive...
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another one quit his project?
The surely are some people havin short-circiuted head right now.
Blowing thing up much above a healthy level.

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As you can see miui post has been closed
It's impressive...
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Why was it closed?
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Why was it closed?
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The dev was removed from XDA by the moderators. Whether that's a temp or permanent removal is not yet entirely clear.

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The dev was removed from XDA by the moderators. Whether that's a temp or permanent removal is not yet entirely clear.
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Wow pretty big to get banned. Was it because of the picture he posted in a comment?
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I didn't had the time to follow the whole MIUI Revolution thread, so I won't defend anybody, but it's quite a bad news
The work done is/was truly amazing.
Livewings probably got upset by people asking question/ETA/stuff
Hope he or someone will continue the good work!

This seems to just hurt our development community. Bad news. I am using the MIUI ROM and now I am not sure we will be able to pursue development of this ROM. Bad bad bad news.

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Wow pretty big to get banned. Was it because of the picture he posted in a comment?
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Oh looks like the whole thread is deleted. I can't find it anymore.
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Yep, it really is deleted.

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Yep, it really is deleted.
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What a shame
But shouldn't the people participating in the thread be informed? I am not contesting the Mods actions here, it is their site and they could do anything they like, but it is minimum courtesy to inform the participants that it has been deleted for so-and-so reason.
This is hoping better sense prevails!

I don't understand this shot, why have they erased all of it? This shows the respect that the mods have to the Dev community
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I think peeps need to chill abit its starting to get like an episode of eastenders in here
It is what it is. Mods have hard enough time keeping these forums clean i mean how many ics posts are closed daily how many non dev threads in dev section get placed all the time.
There are rules to avoid this if members could only be bothered to do a little reading first but peeps dont. Chas dyslexic thread was so true to the bone its scary and these peeps are flashing roms god help them
The devs try to push the boundaries all for your benefit. Why because you and i ask them to. No one here really cares who puts out the rom just as long as you can feed your addictions. Me included.
Ill always want to flash the latest and greatest and the only way to achieve this is competition by what ever means.
But remember no one can steal anything from anyone as it wasnt theres to own.
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I have to admit. Everyday I used to visit a HD2 forum for a veery long time and everything was in order there. People used to obey the rules.
In GNote section there are a lot of newbies who don't even bother to get familiar with the xda's rules.

Xda developers?

Good morning Ladies and Gents,
I'll get to the point, this is a developer site right? Well then my question is why was one of this site's best developers blacklisted from receiving his title as " recognized"? Ladies and Gentlemen this Developer has done more for this forum than anyone, he has carried the phone and I mean phone in all its forms under his wing, and made roms so stable , so fast.. so revolutionary that he has earned his stripes. He spends hours upon hours up answering questions , making instructional videos, talking on the phone or chat, for what? To make sure each persons experience with the Rom, their phone is as it should be... Amazing. I may be rambling to some, but to the others that feel the way I do , its a fact.... WILD CHILD deserves recognition for his innovations that make the phone a conversation piece, a show stopper . Ban me if you must but I'm speaking my opinion , and if that ticks people off oh well .. Bring him back and give him the title he has earned

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Co-signed

Why does he need a title for creating roms? Even though you don't see his roms in our forums, he is still doing stuff for the vivid/raider/holiday community.
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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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i agree

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It is about recognition. He should be recognized for his efforts by the people who run the site. He is not another poster like me, he is an actual developer and he had earned his title through hard work and endless hours of creation.
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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megatronisabeast said:
I know he is happy on his site but if we are using his work here on this site, wcx recovery, then he should be recognized here for his work.
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You do have a point with that . There is nothing wrong with a good discussion in the morning lol.
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Devs who contribute that much should be recognized so they feel appreciated by everyone who benefits from all the hard work...I know I do and I am relatively new to Android and HTC..but thanks so much for ALL the Devs hard work..
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I know what he has done for us thru his work. Did you ever think that maybe he doesn't care about "this status" anymore? I for one think he is much happier on his site not having to worry about the stress and drama that XDA creates.
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You for one herr Dr. dont know him , i personally know the B.S. this site has laid in his way... and as petty as you seem to think it is, it would mean alot... now go get buknasty lol

Totally agree the amount of support he gives is far above and beyond anything I've ever seen. He was out to dinner and took a phone call to help someone get their phone up and running. He has some tire dedication to his work and it shows in the quality
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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he is top notch. I've been around for a good long while. Used his inspire from.. hell my daughter still does. He engages users on every level...not scared to be personal with users.. he is top notch and at the end of the day CUSTOMER satisfaction is paramount to him...that's right I said customer...he treats everyone like they paid 200 bucks for his roms. He is a class act. Plain and simple. His people are loyal to a fault...when I say his people I mean all the members of his forum. We all participate...we all contribute and you'll find that we will all stand up for him. He is more than a developer. Xda should see him for what he is...he should be the benchmark...
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Spot on!
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Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
Edit Found the GENERIC response that did not apply to me at all in any aspect....
Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
WC

As a moderator I recently endorsed him being bestowed with the Recognized Developer title. This was done before we became friends, at the time when the forum was going through a lot of turbulence & all the developers were leaving.
The following comments are my own & only represent my views. Yes WC can be hard headed, opinionated & argumentative. That's also probably why we get along, we understand each other.
There are some Cooks that have the RD title that really don't deserve it.
I personally never used anything WCX before the Vivid. Since the Vivid section started having issues with rudeness & kanging I reached out to many of the developers about forming a developmental group & WC was the only person that took the time to respond. Since that time, we have become friends along with J4n87 & together things have been coming together. WC does currently participate in the xda Vivid forum. He answers questions & helps users with tutorials & instructional Videos. You think cooking a rom makes you a developer? No, it does not. For every Vivid related WCX release or rom, there are hours of work & collaboration on many items. Most of the development is done over the phone, gtalk & via email. While I never really used WCX Windows Mobile roms, I was a mod & followed most of the developers & cooks. I just read this response letter & while I do truly love XDA, I feel it is important to make comments in reply to the letter he posted.
You will find my comments below in blue.
Wild Child said:
Where i greatly appreciate the compliments,as far as xda is concerned byt the last response i got with applying it was a basic none releated to anything i have or havent done here on xda....so basically it was a blow off stating i wasnt qualified or god wnough or hadnt contributed enough to be recognised as a developer here....and thats fine....no worries...this was just another reason to not develope and release on here....i still support other peoplles roms and problems here....but as far as my work goes....its just a title that they felt i wasnt deserving of no matter what i have done....if i can find the email ill post the generic response i got.....
WC
Edit Found the GENERIC response that did not apply to me at all in any aspect....
Thank you for recently applying to be a recognized developer of XDA. We regret to inform you that your application has not be accepted. But don't worry, you can still re-apply starting 1 August using this form.
We cannot accept your application because of one of these reasons:
1) you have made too few posts on XDA......(I had over a thousand posts)
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WC has been cooking roms & developing items for the roms pre-WM6. I saw his work in the Kaiser, Raphael, Rhodium & Xperia forum threads. I think number of posts is a silly factor. Imagine if pof only had 100 posts, but all of the posts were for S-Off or CID unlock for 100 different devices. Would that not be worthy development? WC has nearly 2500 posts & has averaged nearly 2 posts a day since November 2008.
2) while you are a very helpful XDA user (which we appreciate tremendously), we didn't see much actual development coming from you.(ive been releasing since the sony x1 series)
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As I stated, he has been developing roms since Kaiser at least, but also contributed roms to Xperia, Raphael, Rhodium, Inspire & HD2 forums.
3) we noticed that you have been inactive on XDA for a long time.(I am always on here)
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I see WC contributing in many ways & he has numerous posts that are development related & just generally helpful, answering questions & helping out new users with issues.
4) your development work has been limited to just a couple of things. Keep it up! We want to make sure that you continue to do great development work.( A couple things?? I release 5-6 ROMS with each device)
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A couple of thing? Well, most of the posts are roms, the roms all include other developments (many of which get kang'd) & each of the roms was supported & updated regularly. Unlike some cooks, WC still updates & supports older device roms. Many cooks here just close their thread as soon as they get someone to donate them a new device.
5) we decided not to accept those that make icons or themes. We realize that themes and icons take a lot of work, but we're focusing this program on those that are doing other types of development.(I dont make themes)
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WC does not make themes. His roms are really stock like & made for folks that want to do their own customizations on a solid, high performing base rom. He does not just unzip a rom & remove bloatware, but actually ports items from other devices he works on & adds perfomance enhancing tweaks & mods. His roms are not flashy like some of the early RD cooks, but they work as well & much of the time even better. I also love that I don't have to have some cooks gaudy graphics & his name all over my device & boot screen.
6) we found you to either have a history with infractions, or you might have been banned in the past for breaking XDA rules/exhibiting bad behavoir.(I had never had an infraction or a warning till this year and it was reversed since 2008)
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I looked. There are no infractions. There was one this year that was given in error because of a mistake a mod made & it was overturned & deleted by the issuing mod. The only thing I can think of is that I know there was a disagreement between WC & one of the flashy Cooks/Mods. While this person makes pretty roms, they always left a lot of orphaned files & registry entries behind.
7) most of your development work comes from an online kitchen. We encourage you to continue to cook ROMs, and to even contribute on a more substantial level to the development of custom ROMs.An online Kitchen? News to me where theres an onlie kitchen that you can cook fully functional tweaked roms)
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This one really upsets me, as It is a flat out lie. If you go through WC's posts, you can see him starting out & inquiring on how to manually port XIP & SYS files questions about other areas of development. None of the roms I dl'd & looked at were cooked using the Modaco online kitchen.
Again, our purpose in doing this is to not set up an exclusive club, but rather to provide extra privileges to those that are making significant development contributions to the XDA community. We want you to be able to have these privileges, which is why we're happy to re-evaluate your application come 1 August.(CROCK OF BS)
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Yes, WC does not boast about all of the work that goes into the devices he works on & he doesn't do it all himself. However, there are many things that he has ported from one of the devices in his collection to another that has been of benefit. He ported some thermal related libraries & drivers from the LG Nitro HD to the Vivid & that is one of the reasons his roms don't suffer the thermal heat issues that many of the other do. Yes, the posts just look like a rom release because he isn't bragging about the mods & that is partly out of humility & partly out of the fact that people don't ask permission & hate giving credit & just kang anything that is new.
I'd also like to point out that when I first went to the Android OS, I had an Inspire that was my gal's. I found the WCX Inspire rom & contacted WC. He called me on the phone & walked me through a few issues. He stayed on the phone with me from unlock/s-off, all the way to flashing the WCX Inspire rom. We probably talked for 90 minutes.
I'd also like to add that all of the development work I have done with the mod & the Tweaks app, probably never would have been done without WC working with me & j4n87. There are a lot of things going on development-wise for the Vivid that are not known yet & that are being developed via gtalk & email & if it weren't for a few bad eggs, WCX roms & development would be back here at xda. The WCX site is a smal non-commercial site that primarily serves a place to host the rom downloads. I would like to see him receive RD status & back here with XDA as a primary outlet for his work. Respect is the only thing I can see that is preventing that from happening. Users are disrespectful & to not be recognized for his work is just one more slap in the face, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back.
Thank you for your understanding. If you feel that we are mistaken for any reason, or you want more specifics on why we made this choice, please PM me back with subject "Appeal".
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You guys can make up your own minds as to these reasons which do not fit any of my criteria
WC
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Wow... Just wow. I'm speechless.
All I can come up with is to thank you both for everything!
Well that and I truly hope you guys have the best recoveries possible.

heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
WC

Wild Child said:
heres a perfect example....4 hr phone call for tech support for user kelnhofer,then another 30 min call while out too dinner with him again.....smh....
WC
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hahaha, that's dedication, mobile tech support

"Senior member" lol, didn't even realized it doesn't say dev, wtf... I have your roms like 3 yrs ago on my tilt2... And who are those "developer committee" anyways? other devs?
You, sir are definitely a dev for me, don't care what xda says!
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State of Development :)

For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.

I remember the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012"... it was ugly, didn't even want to visit the site half the time. But things are looking up and I'm glad I didn't return my vivid thirty days after the release date like so many did.

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For those of you that have been around these parts for a while, you may remember the State of Development updates that good ol' Gsleon3 used to update us with. These came for us at a time when development for the Vivid seemed to be at a standstill, and for those of you that were here, you remember why. For those of you who don't, let me catch you up a little (and I apologize for the bad feelings that this may drum up, but I don't want anything to get out of control again). So grab a beer and a snack, this may be a long one
It was about April, and development for the Holiday was still in its infancy. There were a few good ROMs being released, and generally, it was a good place to be. Then accusations of stealing other's work, accusations of corrupt moderators, and all around child-like behavior started, and it became the downfall of the Holiday forum at XDA. ROM threads started closing. Then came the bickering. Then the Devs left. Then the users began to play the blame game, and the "let me try to whine my way to what I want" game. All the best devs left and opened up shop in their own little corners of the internet (and I can't blame them one bit), and development for the device was no longer centralized. There were/are still AWESOME ROMs available for this device, just not on XDA. This always made me a little sad. As painful of a place as XDA (or any internet forum for that matter) can be at times, there's sooooo much good information crammed into one site that it has always been my one-stop shop, but that wasn't true any longer. I settled in, I found a home, but I kept a close eye on what else was happening across the interweb's Holiday community. I liked to keep my eye on one project specifically, synergy's CM10 project, because who wouldn't want JellyBean, right?
Now, a little more information for those of you who weren't around.. The original CM10 thread was opened at another site in July, where the project started. Syn put a lot of time and effort into it, but in the end, found it to be not worth his time to continue on a project he didn't see possible to ever be finished (mainly due to the ATT in-call mic issue and video issues), and again, who can blame him? He abandoned the project at the beginning of August. This is where mg picked the project up, and continued it with a few fixes himself, before somehow we caught the attention of h8rift. h8 has been awesome - cleaning up our trees, getting things in their proper home, and powering through anything that gets in his way It's so great to have him around.
Myself, up until October, had only ever had experience with things like making boot animations, icons, editing .xmls in .apks, and some slight .smali edits. Thanks to mg's excellent guide and a crapton of Googling, I learned out how to compile/build cm from source. Then I thought, "I wonder if I could do the same for other JB flavors?" So guess what? I tried, and it worked. Every single question I had along the way (with the exception of a few Ubuntu and git specific questions), were answered by a thread here at XDA. Cool, right?
I am very excited to see new ROMage out for this device...as I'm sure anyone who was here through the "Great Holiday Wars of 2012" would agree, I was pretty sure what we had was all we were ever going to see. Which again, would have been OK, cause there are some great ROMs out there, but I've never been the kind of dude to settle in on the same ROM for too long - that's why I came to XDA in the first place. Now as I'm sure everyone can see, through collaboration, this project is making HUGE progress! I cannot thank mg and h8 enough for keeping it going. This brings me to my last point...
I encourage everyone to participate, and offer suggestions, and share information - that is, after all, what a developer's forum should be about. The wealth of knowledge that's available at XDA is out of this world, but sometimes hiding deep within the threads, filled by off-topic chatter and users who have way to huge a sense of entitlement. Please always keep in mind that the things you're getting here are free. Hours upon hours upon hours of work go into these projects, just to be shared for very little asked in return. Wait, we ask for something in return? Yes - READ, SEARCH, and SEARCH AGAIN before posting. Like I said, there's already a wealth of knowledge here that's incomparable to other Android forums on the web, but yes, sometimes it can be trying to find that information. But it's not impossible. Also - keep an eye on the issues list. There are bugs. There will probably always be bugs. And as long as there are, they will continue to be squished to the best of our ability (though h8's ability is far beyond mine, so let's especially be nice to him )
In closing - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not let this place become what it was before. So far I feel like the atmosphere around here has been a lot better, but I know how easy it can be for it to slip back to where it was. So be respectful, don't ask for ETAs, and be thankful for what we have - cause what we now have is a TON more options that we had before.
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I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july

XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
I got my vivid in april lol. when did the "wars" start? didnt really get into xda until like may or july
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Right before that...I got my vivid in late may I think and that was when the blame game was going around lol...wasn't pretty
Could not agree more with the op, lets be thankful for what we now have...and hopeful for what's to come
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seems like I got my vivid after all this happend. Got it off craigslist since I was switching from cricket

Well said homeslice. Although I haven't been as active in my participation I got the Vivid on day 1 and am really happy to see development where it is today. There were many points I thought the device was basically dead and time and time again it was revived with new life. Hopefully the few left can make sure not to repeat drama mistakes of the past.
And great job on going from a reader to a developer, very well done.

Why is my xda premium app only let me reply/post on certain sections of forums and not development??:banghead:
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Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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Random. But how many posts do you have? Until you have 10, you won't be able to post I. Development
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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices

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i think is not fair to close a wip thread to bring a sense 4 rom to the vivid all i wanted to do is help this device users to be on the latest software as i said in the post that was closed i wasn't going to share it to everybody i want it to share it to developers to bring this rom to all users but it got closed for "kanging" which i think is not true since venom team never released a vivid rom even thou the did for rezound which is pretty similar device but cdma and korean's make their work on the rom also to make the radio work which no body here in xda could do after many tries all i want is to help the community and specific this device owners which expect more from this device and we know is capable of running this system and much more please let the development continue we are stuck right know on sense only because someone doesn't want to share their work on other devices which is ok if you are the developer of something and you don't want to share but why stop someone who is trying to help on a device you haven't released a rom I bet that many of the vivid users would like to flash a sense 4.1 rom on their devices
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In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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i had been given a link to a rom port of venom rom for the htc vivid with sense 4 and your mods in it but it is the only rom that has sense 4 for the vivid i would like your permission to post it in vivid section since it is your work the only problem is that it was made in korea and the installer script and aroma is in korean language please think about it there are so many vivid users that would like to use sense 4 on their devices thanks for your time!!
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Sorry but we don't approve of the use of our work by non-team members and do not condone the porting of any of our roms to other devices for various reasons. One of those reasons is these roms will never meet the same level of quality and support our users have become accustomed to as such, these roms will never be allowed on xda and will also be refused Venom Hub access.
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Can it be used as a base at least since it has a working ril?
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That would be the same as porting
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Ok thanks for the time you took to answer my request!!
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Sorry it's not the answer you're looking for but we run into these request every day along with unauthorized ports.
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Don't worry i understand perfect the situation
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Turge said:
In what part of this conversation with you this morning @ 8:01 AM was I not clear about? Would you care to elaborate??
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Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...

Turge said:
Btw, we're not trying to be the bad guys here... We're simply trying to protect our property. Perhaps the best way for you to achieve your objective is to reach out to the kangers to find out how they managed to port it over to your device...
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That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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This all sounds familiar...the point of this thread...
Let's just drop it. The villec2 should get its jellybean sense+ update soon, and maybe we can port it. Or maybe we can get the Koreans to share their secret. In the meantime, it appears to be elsewhere, so get it there if you must

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That's exactly what I want but there is a language barrier, instead of releasing could you try to make it legit here with your team? Please I know there are really good developers and they can find how to make it legit is all I ask I do not want to make an issue out of trying to help others with this device, this device is capable of running this Rom flawless just like the one x or rezound which in fact is is the same device but cdma could you help us or assign this port to one of your team members?
Or if none of you has the vivid let a vivid developer take care of it please we have really good developers here to!!
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So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.

Let's not start more xda drama the vivid forum has already been thru this. Either find someone who speaks Korean to ask to translate or have them remove all of their tweaks like they ask. The vivid has come to far now to start drama over a sense 4 ROM
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So, the options are:
1. We remove all of our tweaks from the framework files of a kanged port of one of our roms so that you can use it as a base
2. You find a Korean translator to ask the one who got data working how he did it.
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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I'm not been sarcastic please help the vivid users to get a sense 4 Rom up and running if you can remove your framework from it that would be awesome to use it as a base I know you and your team are great developers I'm using your viper Rom on my wifes phone and I am really impressed with what you guys have done, I never wanted to start a war here or elsewhere all I want to do is give the sense 4 option to vivid owners like me!! I'm really sorry I have caused any issues.
Happy New year to everybody !!!! I hope this mess get resolved soon !!!
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You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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You don't understand the work effort in removing our tweaks from the framework so you'll need to follow up with the Koreans.
And I honestly hope we don't see any more links to this kang roms, either here or on rootzwiki.
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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I do understand, I'm sorry if it was to much to ask I also understand that you and your team can be mad because of my actions, it won't happen again I'm really sorry
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Time to find some Koreans!

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Time to find some Koreans!
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I tried to contact bananacakes but he hasn't responded yet
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This forum is dead - What is the more popular Sprint GS4 forum?

This forum is dead - What is the more popular Sprint GS4 forum?
EVO3D forum had thousands of threads within the first 3 months. What's going on and where did everyone go?

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This forum is dead - What is the more popular Sprint GS4 forum?
EVO3D forum had thousands of threads within the first 3 months. What's going on and where did everyone go?
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Brace yourself for sarcastic answers & trolls. With that being said, Google

It will blossom. The phone is still so new. I hope it stays clean. There is alot of great devs that have this phone. That being said tons of great stuff Allready out and upcoming. The best part is that everything we have is very stable.
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This forum isn't dead. The phone has been out for literally just over a month and we already have 4 custom TW ROM's and 7 AOSP based ROM's as well as several kernels available as well.
Plus, as time goes on, more and more devs will get their hands on this phone which will make things even more crazy.
Not trying to be a **** here, but honestly, what do you expect......the phone comes out and suddently there are 30 ROM's out for it?

Sometimes it's a good sign - means folks don't have many problems with it and/or it has a decent stock experience requiring less mods.

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Brace yourself for sarcastic answers & trolls. With that being said, Google
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Thanks for your useless response. If you don't know how Google works, it crawls discussion boards that allow it to make an index. Most of the private forums are not indexed on Google, so there's no way to find it on that search engine..
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It will blossom. The phone is still so new. I hope it stays clean. There is alot of great devs that have this phone. That being said tons of great stuff Allready out and upcoming. The best part is that everything we have is very stable.
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The sprint version is the least developed of all the carriers. All those roms are carryovers from other GS4 hardware to the Sprint platform. There is not even a way to force roam on our phones yet. This is ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that comes out during the first week of release for most phones.
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This forum isn't dead. The phone has been out for literally just over a month and we already have 4 custom TW ROM's and 7 AOSP based ROM's as well as several kernels available as well.
Plus, as time goes on, more and more devs will get their hands on this phone which will make things even more crazy.
Not trying to be a **** here, but honestly, what do you expect......the phone comes out and suddently there are 30 ROM's out for it?
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Exactly what happened for the last 4 android phones I've owned.

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This forum isn't dead. The phone has been out for literally just over a month and we already have 4 custom TW ROM's and 7 AOSP based ROM's as well as several kernels available as well.
Plus, as time goes on, more and more devs will get their hands on this phone which will make things even more crazy.
Not trying to be a **** here, but honestly, what do you expect......the phone comes out and suddently there are 30 ROM's out for it?
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Well said. This forum already blows away some Motorola/HTC phones that have been out for a long time. Be thankful to have a Samsung and sprint. Dev friendly. My first smart phone was the original. Galaxy s captivate on at&t. It had way too many rom/kernels/ports. It was messy and hard to find stuff. People saying some euro Rom ports wiping efs and borking phone- no good. The e4gt and this phone is much better. No worries.
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ehaalandtluk said:
This forum is dead - What is the more popular Sprint GS4 forum?
EVO3D forum had thousands of threads within the first 3 months. What's going on and where did everyone go?
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Honestly I was thinking the same thing, but the phone is only a month old. Just give it time....
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""The sprint version is the least developed of all the carriers. All those roms are carryovers from other GS4 hardware to the Sprint platform. There is not even a way to force roam on our phones yet. This is ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that comes out during the first week of release for most phones.""
Show some respect. Our Roms are not just ports from vzw ect. Blu kuban is built ground up. On the force roam well the roam control dev Has to fix his application. This rant does nothing and it's disrespectful to the great devs and contributors working on this phone.
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ehaalandtluk said:
Thanks for your useless response. If you don't know how Google works, it crawls discussion boards that allow it to make an index. Most of the private forums are not indexed on Google, so there's no way to find it on that search engine..
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Useless post in a useless thread. I'll give you another taste of my fabulous insight. Any other forum you may find, I would put money down they have the same development (roms, nightlies, mods, recoveries, rooting, debloating, DEVELOPERS & so forth & on & on & on). If you're looking for another Sprint Galaxy S4 forum that's more "hopping & happening", don't you think we would be posting anything & everything we also find, making this forum more "active"?! Here's a concept, show our devs some consideration & be patient. They may act like robots, but they're humans, too :good:

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Exactly what happened for the last 4 android phones I've owned.
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I highly doubt that.
Plus, the stock experience on this phone is pretty fantastic as is, and I've seen at least 2 ROM developers of E4GT ROM's hold off from doing anything and are just enjoying the phone as is.
There's a good chance that a few of your former phones desperately needed some development right off the bat where the anything out for the S4 is pretty much icing on the cake.

the international forum is more popular of course it has always been this way question is answered
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Thanks for your useless response. If you don't know how Google works, it crawls discussion boards that allow it to make an index. Most of the private forums are not indexed on Google, so there's no way to find it on that search engine..
The sprint version is the least developed of all the carriers. All those roms are carryovers from other GS4 hardware to the Sprint platform. There is not even a way to force roam on our phones yet. This is ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that comes out during the first week of release for most phones.
Exactly what happened for the last 4 android phones I've owned.
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Nobody will say it so I will.Take your self righteous ass on somewhere else.who gives you the right.If you don't like it,develop your own mods
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If this really matters to you, why don't you just go to another carrier like AT&T or T-Mobile?

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Nobody will say it so I will.Take your self righteous ass on somewhere else.who gives you the right.If you don't like it,develop your own mods
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Well said. People like him will never appreciate anything.
Oh, and the Evo3d is the most problematic phone ever as an Evo lineup. No wonder that forum jump start so quickly due to problems.
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I highly doubt that.
Plus, the stock experience on this phone is pretty fantastic as is, and I've seen at least 2 ROM developers of E4GT ROM's hold off from doing anything and are just enjoying the phone as is.
There's a good chance that a few of your former phones desperately needed some development right off the bat where the anything out for the S4 is pretty much icing on the cake.
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I'm here still learning this phone. The images, xmls and mount points for install scripts are completely different from the E4GT. Still trying to learn my way around before I release a ROM.
It's one thing to brick my own phone.
Its another thing to brick someone else's because I don't know what I'm doing yet.
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Nobody will say it so I will.Take your self righteous ass on somewhere else.who gives you the right.If you don't like it,develop your own mods
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I think it wasn't said because it didn't need to be said.
I don't think he said anything against any devs. He was just speaking about lack of devlopement in general. And he is right. That doesn't mean the devs who are putting stuff out aren't good, cause they are.
I see it like this. I don't find as many themed roms as I've seen with some other phones I've had. Even the amount stock based roms that have personal twists to them is infrequent. Mods and things are also on the low side. Not that the quality of the ones we have are low. Just the amount.
I think the developers from Samsung pay attention to what the devs here and elsewhere are putting out and they do a bit of incorporating so the need for some Roms are not needed. The fact that some people bought the One may have sent a few devs over there. Not that the community over there is very big though. Sales are less than half of the S4.
Some new development will be coming with the nexus experience version of the phone so Roms will be on the uptick soon. But I as well think there is a bit of a low turnout for Roms and things this time around. Also as time goes on this is to be expected. As devs figure mods and things out they just incorporate them into other projects without the need for discussion and its not something that is taking up threads everywhere. The devs have grown a lot so to speak and just push things out that work better from the start. So it seems like less is happening sometimes.
Just my take.
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I think there are less here because it is fairly new, and tbh the stock version of it isn't bad at all.

Thanks for that eskomo. I'm not going to reply to those kneejerkers who say "I don't agree and if you don't like it get out rabble rabble rabble"
I have always given proper thanks and respect to all the developers that I have benefited from. However, I am not on trial so I don't have to defend my opinions. Don't tell me where I should or should not post, or what phone/carrier I have your blessing to be on. Thanks, buh bye now.
Also agree on your points of development and customization. For being the biggest/baddest competitor vs the iPhone 5, I see this as a very poor showing of what xda can do with strong hardware. Shame.
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I think it wasn't said because it didn't need to be said.
I don't think he said anything against any devs. He was just speaking about lack of devlopement in general. And he is right. That doesn't mean the devs who are putting stuff out aren't good, cause they are.
I see it like this. I don't find as many themed roms as I've seen with some other phones I've had. Even the amount stock based roms that have personal twists to them is infrequent. Mods and things are also on the low side. Not that the quality of the ones we have are low. Just the amount.
I think the developers from Samsung pay attention to what the devs here and elsewhere are putting out and they do a bit of incorporating so the need for some Roms are not needed. The fact that some people bought the One may have sent a few devs over there. Not that the community over there is very big though. Sales are less than half of the S4.
Some new development will be coming with the nexus experience version of the phone so Roms will be on the uptick soon. But I as well think there is a bit of a low turnout for Roms and things this time around. Also as time goes on this is to be expected. As devs figure mods and things out they just incorporate them into other projects without the need for discussion and its not something that is taking up threads everywhere. The devs have grown a lot so to speak and just push things out that work better from the start. So it seems like less is happening sometimes.
Just my take.
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You don't get it. You seriously don't. People have lives & sorry they aren't working for 24/7 just for you. Get over yourself & gtfo. Do you really think another Sprint S4 forum is going to have more development than this one? Everything we find, we post. If it's out there, it's here. If you aren't happy with how things are going, switch carriers or do more of your own homework on your own time & don't ask for someone else to do it for you. My "useless" post to your useless thread warned you about getting bad hits & trolls & gess what? I was right & you are still here bellyaching.

Nexus 5 ROM/Kernel Poll (Original Development)

I guess its pretty much self explaining
A poll (google forms) to determine ROM/Kernel combination xda-members use and how satisfied they are.
Only ROMs/Kernel from Original Android Development Subforum are/will be added
results will be published immediately!
Mod edit - links removed
If you find bugs, want a ROM/Kernel to be added or anything else, please use this thread
Thanks for participating
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2014-04-09:
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various typos

Why?
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Why?
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I thought the same too but I followed his link. It's setup really nice and it's not just any regular what are you running thread. Pretty cool to see the info being displayed like that. There's way too many roms though so I'll keep an eye on this thread.
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I would remove liquid and illusion lol. They have nothing todo with original development
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I don't know... its a result of a long travel by train
Maybe for users who want to try something new but don't know what to choose.
Or ROM/Kernel devs want to know what users think.
Does it bother you that much?
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I would remove liquid and illusion lol. They have nothing todo with original development
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well I took the first few top threads from the sub and they happen to be there
lets see how it turns out

fftt said:
I don't know... its a result of a long travel by train
Maybe for users who want to try something new but don't know what to choose.
Or ROM/Kernel devs want to know what users think.
Does it bother you that much?
well I took the first few top threads from the sub and they happen to be there
lets see how it turns out
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He he yeah not your fault at all. They need to be moved by the moderator team into android development along with xenonHD. They simply are not doing anything other then the 1000 of android development ROMs....kanging. No original work at all. Nothing bad but hammerhead moderators decided at the beginning to clearly differentiate it...which is IMO a good idea...but this 3 silently added their ROMs threads into original and I think that's not fair for the other android development ROMs (like carbon aicp madhi etc etc) that user think this three mentioned above do original work.
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It does, yes. It is against XDA rules to make Best ROM or Best Kernel threads for the reason that "some" devs don't like to be compared to others. It is against the Spirit of XDA. Even though your results are not technically what is best, it is still comparing the work so should still be against the rules.
I will leave it in the hands of mods. If they decide to allow this thread, fine. If not, also fine.

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It does, yes. It is against XDA rules to make Best ROM or Best Kernel threads for the reason that "some" devs don't like to be compared to others. It is against the Spirit of XDA. Even though your results are not technically what is best, it is still comparing the work so should still be against the rules.
I will leave it in the hands of mods. If they decide to allow this thread, fine. If not, also fine.
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Yeah quiet difficult to decide here agree and something in a gray zone I think lol. On the one hand it is a comparison on the other hand very anonymous and it shows specific stats as well for the different ROMs and kernels (like which version most are running etc). And stats about quality speed etc are not ROM specific and only shown as overall impressions about all ROMs and kernel....difficult lol.
Whatever yeah mods need to decide.
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Definitely a grey area.
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Unfortunately comparison threads are not allowed on XDA, be it a poll or just a thread. While it is anonymous that is not the point, as mentioned some ROM/Kernel devs do not like seeing their work being compared to the work of others. As this is as outside poll (and a nice one at that) I must remove the link from the OP as members could still vote and view it otherwise.
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