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I found one on Craig's List and my girlfriend desperately needs a new phone. I plan on sticking to stock OS and not rooting or customizing it because it's for her and I don't want to risk bricking her.
I just want to know, how reliable is this phone?
Personally, this is my last Samsung phone. So... I wouldn't recommend it.
Essenar said:
I found one on Craig's List and my girlfriend desperately needs a new phone. I plan on sticking to stock OS and not rooting or customizing it because it's for her and I don't want to risk bricking her.
I just want to know, how reliable is this phone?
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I got a Captivate for my gf and she loves it, but the stock OS pissed her off due to lagging and bloatware.
We installed Cognition 2.3b8 which was very easy and now she really loves it as her daily driver. All you do is put an update.zip for Clockwork on the root of SD. Reboot into oem recovery, reinstall packages twice to get to Clockwork, then wipe data and flash Cognition. Couldn't be easier.
Honestly, if you can find a Nexus One for AT&T (if you have AT&T the T-mobile version will be Edge only!! You need an AT&T Nexus One) I think that's your best bet, but with a little bit of modding and care the Captivate is a great phone. My gf LOVES the giant screen and beautiful display.
That said, the more I learn about it the more pissed off I am with Samsung. Different revisions, ODIN, Kies, Download Mode, etc. Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be. I'm running a MT4G and SOOOO glad I didn't buy the Vibrant. Shudder...
The only problem I've ever had with my cappy is the GPS, which, after reading the GPS fixes thread has been absolutely perfect.
To me this is the perfect phone. Fast, reliable, pretty. I don't even want anything faster anymore. If phones peaked in speed right now and started focusing strictly on battery life (I get about 1.5-2 days right now, I'd like to get 3-5), I'd be perfectly happy with that.
Craig's List? Buyer beware!
Here is where I am at:
This phone is probably not the best choice if you are planning on giving it to your wife without a custom ROM. If you plan on giving it to you wife with a ROM it is a good choice regardless of what ROM you choose however it is better if you use one that is as close to stock as possible: cognition, perception, or Andromeda (1.00).
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Craig's List? Buyer beware!
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I've got several great phones off CL. Do your due diligence as a buyer and you'll be just fine.
If you can get it for a decent price, then go for it.
Here's a simple pro & con list:
Pros
-Super AMOLED screen makes pictures and videos gorgeous
-1 GHz Processor that can be overclocked to 1.28GHz (stable) and undervolted to improve battery performance
-The xda devs are constantly providing the Captivate support that Samsung has failed to give us.
-Did i mention the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, yes I did.
-Swype makes texting a lot more fun to type on the phone once you get past the 1-minute learning curve
Cons
-Developed by Samsung and so the customer support for the phone is terrible
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045)
-The stock AT&T Rom is filled with bloatware that takes up space and attempts to get you to spend more money on AT&T services.
-AT&T has disabled the ability to sideload apps (install apps from outside of the market) on the stock ROM, and so you won't be able to install third-party apps if/when you come across them.
-No official 2.2 froyo release from Samsung, despite promises from them as well as AT&T to have it released by the end of 2010 (this is when the store rep told me to expect the update when i bought my phone. derp).
-Some GPS Issues
Conclusion based on my personal opinion.
Overall, I love this phone and I'm glad I chose it over the iPhone 4 due to the ridiculous customization available. However, if not for the xda devs creating amazing custom ROMs, I would have probably returned it for the original Jesus phone.
My advice? Get the phone, pick out a launcher from the market (LauncherPro, ADW Launcher, or for the minimalist: Zeam) and grab handcent while you're at it. Then give her the phone and she should be happy with it.
More advice? Sure. Root the phone, flash Cog 3.02 onto it with the firebird 2/Glitterball kernel and JK4 modem.
Sorry if this post seems a bit jumbled and scattered. I'm currently doing about 4 different things at once and posting from my Computer Class at the local community college haha
Dont' buy it. GPS problems, shutdown issues, and, based on the general lack of reliability so far, probably more issues to come as the phone ages. If it weren't for the beautiful display and the custom ROMs here on xda I'd have little good to say about my phone. Since you don't plan on modifications the screen is really all you'd get. Does that screen outweigh the hardware problems I've noted?
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Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be.
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SuperOneClick -- The program is called "SuperOneClick". That is literally all it takes to gain root on a SGS phone. So, personally, I think rooting is not nearly as complicated as it could be!
yourname146 said:
SuperOneClick -- The program is called "SuperOneClick". That is literally all it takes to gain root on a SGS phone. So, personally, I think rooting is not nearly as complicated as it could be!
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Let me rephrase that. Custom ROMs are more complicated than they need to be. I've used SOC on my MT3G, works well. It's ODIN, Kies and manually flashing modems and kernels that annoys me. I've flashed radios and roms on my mt3g and I'm comfortable with fastboot and adb so I'm not a total noob. HTC just seems simpler to me, but maybe that's because I'm used to it.
The only beef I have had with this phone is the GPS issue. otherwise it's a great phone. Beautiful screen, sleek design and fast with a good ROM such as Cognition.
I've decided I'm either going to get her a Nokia N900 or an iPhone (some variation). I can't put a phone in her hands with such a gamble on the GPS (There's no guarantee the fix works and no way to identify which Captivates will work and won't work). Especially since this phone is purchased used and won't have a warranty on it.
I wish her sister would make up her mind about AT&T. If she decided to stay with AT&T I could just buy her something new. If she decided to leave AT&T, I could buy her a new Android device with another carrier.
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I've decided I'm either going to get her a Nokia N900 or an iPhone (some variation). I can't put a phone in her hands with such a gamble on the GPS (There's no guarantee the fix works and no way to identify which Captivates will work and won't work). Especially since this phone is purchased used and won't have a warranty on it.
I wish her sister would make up her mind about AT&T. If she decided to stay with AT&T I could just buy her something new. If she decided to leave AT&T, I could buy her a new Android device with another carrier.
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I can tell you from experience, **** AT&T! T-mobile has buy one get one free for MT4G right now, I have no clue why on earth you would want to stay with AT&T.
Seriously, I have been with T-mobile for 5 years and I'm in love with their service. Every time I call I get an AMERICAN rep on the phone in 5 mins tops.
pizz0wn3d said:
If you can get it for a decent price, then go for it.
Here's a simple pro & con list:
Pros
-Super AMOLED screen makes pictures and videos gorgeous
-1 GHz Processor that can be overclocked to 1.28GHz (stable) and undervolted to improve battery performance
-The xda devs are constantly providing the Captivate support that Samsung has failed to give us.
-Did i mention the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, yes I did.
-Swype makes texting a lot more fun to type on the phone once you get past the 1-minute learning curve
Cons
-Developed by Samsung and so the customer support for the phone is terrible
(see: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045)
-The stock AT&T Rom is filled with bloatware that takes up space and attempts to get you to spend more money on AT&T services.
-AT&T has disabled the ability to sideload apps (install apps from outside of the market) on the stock ROM, and so you won't be able to install third-party apps if/when you come across them.
-No official 2.2 froyo release from Samsung, despite promises from them as well as AT&T to have it released by the end of 2010 (this is when the store rep told me to expect the update when i bought my phone. derp).
-Some GPS Issues
Conclusion based on my personal opinion.
Overall, I love this phone and I'm glad I chose it over the iPhone 4 due to the ridiculous customization available. However, if not for the xda devs creating amazing custom ROMs, I would have probably returned it for the original Jesus phone.
My advice? Get the phone, pick out a launcher from the market (LauncherPro, ADW Launcher, or for the minimalist: Zeam) and grab handcent while you're at it. Then give her the phone and she should be happy with it.
More advice? Sure. Root the phone, flash Cog 3.02 onto it with the firebird 2/Glitterball kernel and JK4 modem.
Sorry if this post seems a bit jumbled and scattered. I'm currently doing about 4 different things at once and posting from my Computer Class at the local community college haha
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This is a very fair and accurate assessment.
Absolutely get this phone if you're comfortable rooting the phone and installing custom ROMs, launchers, etc. The phone will run markedly better than stock and will be a dream to use.
If you're not technically inclined, and need rely on $am$ung and AT$T for your firmware updates, get a different android phone. Updates are either never coming or will be over half a year behind and quite possibly bugged and broken even if you do get them.
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This is a very fair and accurate assessment.
Absolutely get this phone if you're comfortable rooting the phone and installing custom ROMs, launchers, etc. The phone will run markedly better than stock and will be a dream to use.
If you're not technically inclined, and need rely on $am$ung and AT$T for your firmware updates, get a different android phone. Updates are either never coming or will be over half a year behind and quite possibly bugged and broken even if you do get them.
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Thanks
I feel like I should mention that I'm now using Exists Suckerpunch kernel and it's... Well... Amazing. OC/UV support with speedmod's battery battery tweaks is pretty much the best thing ever. And exists (pretty cool guy, eh made my favorite kernel ever and doesn't afraid of anything) updates so often I barely have time to find and complain about any bugs that happen to slip past.
This phone is quite captivating indeed.
Herp derp Captivate XDA App
Phateless said:
I've got several great phones off CL. Do your due diligence as a buyer and you'll be just fine.
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Me too. That said out of the box the Captivate is a very frustrating phone to use. The GPS is spotty and You won't have full access to it's super fast Gee Bees unless you install a custom ROM.
I ended up getting her an iPhone. I know guys, I know.
To be honest, I didn't feel comfortable giving her a phone with spotty GPS as this will be her primary GPS unit.
Reading the custom rod and GPS thread gave me no assurance that doing the fix and rooting with a custom rom would fix the issue.
I have enough problems dealing with my MyTouch 4g that you may see me on a Bionic or iPhone with Verizon anyway.
But thanks for the advice. I may root and mod her sisters Captivate to score points because I heard she has had for warranty replacements lol.
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gunnyman said:
Me too. That said out of the box the Captivate is a very frustrating phone to use. The GPS is spotty and You won't have full access to it's super fast Gee Bees unless you install a custom ROM.
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Totally agree.
Essenar said:
I ended up getting her an iPhone. I know guys, I know.
To be honest, I didn't feel comfortable giving her a phone with spotty GPS as this will be her primary GPS unit.
Reading the custom rod and GPS thread gave me no assurance that doing the fix and rooting with a custom rom would fix the issue.
I have enough problems dealing with my MyTouch 4g that you may see me on a Bionic or iPhone with Verizon anyway.
But thanks for the advice. I may root and mod her sisters Captivate to score points because I heard she has had for warranty replacements lol.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
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I've been keeping my eyes open for an iPhone4 for my gf as well for the same reasons you mentioned. There's also an AT&T iteration of the Evo coming soon. That might be a good device for her.
Phateless said:
I got a Captivate for my gf and she loves it, but the stock OS pissed her off due to lagging and bloatware.
We installed Cognition 2.3b8 which was very easy and now she really loves it as her daily driver. All you do is put an update.zip for Clockwork on the root of SD. Reboot into oem recovery, reinstall packages twice to get to Clockwork, then wipe data and flash Cognition. Couldn't be easier.
Honestly, if you can find a Nexus One for AT&T (if you have AT&T the T-mobile version will be Edge only!! You need an AT&T Nexus One) I think that's your best bet, but with a little bit of modding and care the Captivate is a great phone. My gf LOVES the giant screen and beautiful display.
That said, the more I learn about it the more pissed off I am with Samsung. Different revisions, ODIN, Kies, Download Mode, etc. Rooting this thing is way more complicated than it needs to be. I'm running a MT4G and SOOOO glad I didn't buy the Vibrant. Shudder...
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Really??? Rooting this is as easy as switching off your phone and rebooting. With all the easy stuff available right here in this forum and tons on the net... it is a breeze to root and flash a custom ROM.
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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......so get an iPhone then........
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I bought my wife a 4gs on launch day, and its smooth but not without a few faults. The amount of repeat info here can turn into a maze of discouragement, but I think just a little more effort might yield the results you want. I'm currently running mosaic 8 with the latest semiphore kernel and its very stable to say the least.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good. There are 5-6 real nice stable roms out right now. Take the time to find one you like and stick with it.
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Wdustin1 said:
......so get an iPhone then........
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So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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Cm7. Wipe data factory reset again after flashing, let it sit for 10 mins after first boot but before you sign in.
My vibrant was perfectly stable that way.
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MIUI, great fast ROM. All you have to do is flash the small update every week and everything stays the same. You don't loose data!
If you don't feel like doing the update every single week just skip a few here and there. Or got the latest Gingerbread leak(KK4) and use it. It is stable, has great battery life, and pretty fast, but still can't compare to MIUI/CM7 speeds!
I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I tried to use the stock 2.2. I really did. I was getting random shutdowns and reboots all the time and the lag, oh the lag! I can't tell you how many times I would hit an on-screen button and nothing would happen. I would hit it again a second or three later or try a different on screen-button, and still nothing. Thinking the app had crashed, I would hit home or back. Another second or two after that, everything I had done would process in a millisecond and I would be back at the home screen with no idea what I had done as the "extra" touches would register as some other command on the screens that followed and I didn't see.
Once I reflashed the first time, the lag went away and the shutdowns greatly diminished, but since then I have had various other problems. Things like:
- the phone telling me I had a cell signal when I didn't and because I don't make many outgoing calls or texts I just thought nobody wanted to talk to me. Meanwhile people were getting mad that I wasn't getting back to them.
- Apps "uninstalling" by themselves sometimes with a generic icon to replace them. Re-installing them sometimes worked and sometimes didn't (with the same app).
- Texts that come in 5 hours after they were sent and 2 hours after I emerged into a strong cell signal (I work in a sub-basement).
When I tried the KK4 stock, everything did seem to work well until I actually tried to use it as a phone. It said I had signal and I had data connection, but most calls would simply never dial, and while it would ring and I could see who was calling, I couldn't answer. This seems particularly bizarre to me as you would think the ROM/modem pair should work with all Captivates.
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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teknowledgist said:
So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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Madtowndave said:
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Actually, I think tweaking can be fun sometimes, but between work, family, house, etc. I'm usually stumbling through on 5 hours of sleep a night as it is (good thing I don't drive to work!). I simply don't have time to tweak, and I definitely can't be without a phone for a day or two.
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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That's the sense I was getting, but when I would express it to anyone I know in meat-space, they just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. I started this thread with the optimistic hope that I was simply missing something.
It's good to know at least that I'm not alone in my thinking.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good.
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This is my hope.
I have had Cognition 5 on my phone since it was released. It has been the ultimate experience for me. Stable, GREAT battery life, awesome response, etc. It is the Plain Jane of ROMs and I won't use anything else.
at least not until a stable, working version of ICS is out. I've recently got my hands on a free captivate and have been using it as a testbed for ICS. Once I am satisfied, I will flash my everyday use Cappy to ICS and be done with flashing on this phone until I can upgrade this summer.
Im in your boat somewhat. I want all features of the device to work and I dont want reboots etc. Stability is critical.
For Froyo, Firefy 3.0 ROM gave up uptimes of 7-8 days without issue. I only rebooted once battery ran out.
GB ROMs Ive tried are all more unstable, but I have been on Illuminance 3.01 for over a week now and its running quite good. I reboot often though as I swap batteries, so I cant speak to up time but it goes over a day easily. Im using the ICS theme with it so it feels like I have a new device also.
Now that we have KK4 source I think we will see stability improve even more.
I see too many problems with the ICS builds so far but they are alpha afterall. Impressive progress from the devs working on it however!
Eventually my idea is to take the best of all the leaks and make a rock solid stable hybrid rom. Though most devs, including myself, try to cater to the masses. It seems what you are looking for isn't very popular. Most want more and better in their roms, i've tried both and still not overly successful at either. But it doesn't stop me from trying to create the best of both worlds. A solid stable rom with nice features, that doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Hopefully a hybrid rom will solve a lot of issues we all face with the cappy.
The thing the iphone has going for it is the fact it is one manufacturer, apple. All the iphones are the same, same processor, same hardware, same specs, same, same, same. It makes it easy to have a tight knit development for the phone, so it is less prone to issues. But because of this tight, closed architecture, you don't have allot of choices as far as styles and hardware. Android and Windows, on the other hand, have multiple manufacturers and many choices of processors, hardware and styles to choose from. So it is much more difficult for Google and phone manufacturing developers to cater to all of the different phones and have each one run flawlessly. The same holds true for Linux and Windows with PC's. But I think the cappy has some of the best developers on XDA making great ROMs for it and these ROMs don't necessarily cater to hobbyists, they cater to captivate users in general.
Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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MikeyMike01 said:
I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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By the way, no offence Mikey, I'm not in any way trying to imply that your ROM's are inferior, I just spent a TON of time with the Phoenix ROM's so my opinion comes from that alone
any one regret rooting the one ? i had a htc sensation rooted but alll the roms seem to have some thing that did not work...the one seems to be fine the way it is so before i root it i wanted some option ..... do the the htc one also have roms with broken parts of it ?
should i just wait on the updates ?
Really depends on how you use your device and how you feel about the stock setup. I didn't like having all the bloatware that AT&T packed on and really wanted to play around more under the hood, but obviously that is not for everyone and comes with all of the standard risks.
I'm running the latest ViperOne ROM and really love the options that can be set and tweaked. So many ROM options available for the device the choices are almost endless.
You haven't tried Trickdroid 9.0. Amazing rom that's not missing anything! insane battery life also
does the update also add alot of features ?
I've rooted every android phone I've had and flashed numerous roms on each one but this is the first device that I've left completely stock. I don't even have an unlocked bootloader. The phone is just fine the way it is, I will not be rooting or unlocking the bootloader on this phone anytime soon. Myself and many other users used to root our phones and flash custom roms because android phones used to be incredibly laggy and we always wanted better performance. Overclocking our processors was the norm but now android has matured so much and devices are ridiculously powerful now there is just no need to change them. Even if we were to still overclock our devices you wouldn't see a change in performance.
It's completely up to you though.
Personally, I think rooting is worth it just for the ad blocking it allows; i.e. editing the hosts file. Running a custom rom, being able to backup with titanium and nandroids, and changing radios is just gravy. And if you've ever had a device go south without a custom recovery already on it it's incredibly difficult to fix.
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lampel said:
Personally, I think rooting is worth it just for the ad blocking it allows; i.e. editing the hosts file. Running a custom rom, being able to backup with titanium and nandroids, and changing radios is just gravy. And if you've ever had a device go south without a custom recovery already on it it's incredibly difficult to fix.
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Devices don't tend to break on stock, that is a case for warranty
Matt said:
Devices don't tend to break on stock, that is a case for warranty
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The wife bought a refurb Acer tablet - no warranty (I think it was thirty days.) Was ridiculous to restore. I learned my lesson, well! And I'd rather be able to fix it myself than be without while I wait for someone else to. To each their own...
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yeah if this was a slow phone or laggy maybe i would,but a have read a few tread with custom roms and some are having trouble with them,think i'll wait on update....although the 4.2.2 update seems to not be coming to t-mobile,all i got so far was a small update.
I have only had the One for a few weeks, but I rooted it and flashed CM10.1 before I even put my SIM in it. Definitely worth it. No reason to deal with carrier restrictions.
t mobile told me there is no 4.2.2 update for the htc one......HTC said the same thing,so now im wondering how come people are saying there receiving this update..
who's lying
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t mobile told me there is no 4.2.2 update for the htc one......HTC said the same thing,so now im wondering how come people are saying there receiving this update..
who's lying
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There will be no 4.2.2 update from tmobile, my guess is they are gonna skip that and go straight to 4.3 plus they said it on the internet on the news that htc said it themselves and that there would be no customer benefit for an update like 4.2.2 so they said they were gonna skip it and bring up 4.3.
The update started along the lines of outside international countries that aren't big market carriers and then it rolled on slowly...so no one's lying you just have to do some research on the internet but that 4.2.2 update never got to the US thats why it was never rolled out to large carriers to their customers..
Hopefully this gave you some insight on things that are currently happening.
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There will be no 4.2.2 update from tmobile, my guess is they are gonna skip that and go straight to 4.3 plus they said it on the internet on the news that htc said it themselves and that there would be no customer benefit for an update like 4.2.2 so they said they were gonna skip it and bring up 4.3.
The update started along the lines of outside international countries that aren't big market carriers and then it rolled on slowly...so no one's lying you just have to do some research on the internet but that 4.2.2 update never got to the US thats why it was never rolled out to large carriers to their customers..
Hopefully this gave you some insight on things that are currently happening.
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there was alot of people saying they received the 4.2.2 update to there htc one
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there was alot of people saying they received the 4.2.2 update to there htc one
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It had to have been those in the UK or in some parts of the world because it started from one small part of the world, I mean those that are not on carriers, and it did end up in parts of the UK but it never got to the US and if people who are in the US saying they got the update they changed their CID to a region that had the update rolling out so really no one on this side of the US has that software except verizon because they shipped those one models with the current software, and the GPE ones got an update first because well those aren't sold by carrier they are sold by htc themselves on their website. So yes people have said that they receive it but unless there is proof I wouldn't go off of their word, they more than likely did something to their phone to get that software, they might have a custom rom on their phone or done something to get it officially but here in the us there is no word of 4.2.2 ever coming to their customers....of course except verizon....
Well hopefully this helps...if you have any other questions or concerns please do let us know as we want to help you out
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guess i may have to root it to get the extra features,just hate all the other problems that comes with custom roms,there always updating to fix this or that.
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guess i may have to root it to get the extra features,just hate all the other problems that comes with custom roms,there always updating to fix this or that.
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Not always. Running a stock 4.2.2 Rom or something without major modifications will be smooth for a long time. I ran Mike's stock build rooted for almost a month with no issues at all.
It all depends on what you want from it. If you want all the themes and icon changes and modify this and that, you will have issues. But if you JUST want the newest version out there then I would say go ahead and run a stock build, get it odexed (not deodexed) and you will have buttery smoothness
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is revone still not working for updated htc ones ?
or have they got that fixed ?
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You haven't tried Trickdroid 9.0. Amazing rom that's not missing anything! insane battery life also
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Hi, I am looking for ROM with better battery life than Stock.
My average battery drain about 1% for about 4-5 minutes while using Internet via WIFI for browsing using JB's 4.2.2 default browser, chatting via WhatsApp, reading emails and using Blink Feed.
How about using this ROM?
Thanks.
My main reason FOR rooting, was to theme the phone red. I have the HTC one Red edition. And just love red. I also hate blink feed. Ive flashed Venom rom, and desensed it. Battery life is amazing, I cant find anything that don't work, well nothing I need to use anyway. Plus they have there own red theme, and with the help of a few icon designes from Seriously Crazy. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2091654 This is what ive come up with.
So worth rotting for me, if only for the theming, and gtting rid of blink feed.
Steve
I purchased the HTC one from a sprint store. It is the M7_wls hboot 1.44.00. I promptly rooted it by unlocking the bootloader with fastboot and installed TWRP and cyanogenmod 10, since I used and loved cyanogenmod7 for 3 years on my EVO before physical damage and processing inferiority finally made me throw in the towel. It was perfect. beautiful. best device and ROM combo I ever saw. The HTC one and cyanogen 10: a match made in heaven. But then, quite unexpectedly, after allowing the phone to die on a job site one day, it would not take a charge. The good news is that sprint will not attempt to open the phone and so no unrooting was necessary to replace it. In fact they did it there in the store since I was within fourteen days of the original purchase date. No removable battery! It was their contention, and I tend to agree, that it simply became unseated within the case, although I hadn't dropped it. fine. new phone. I once again unlocked the bootloader and installed TWRP and cyanogenmod 10. used it for a day (which was quite cold and humid, but I was inside primarily) and the audio stopped working. No music, no in-call audio. While frantically texting customers, I managed to download the nightly cyanogen update and flash it. My in-call audio came back, but ringtones, notifications, music, games and all other possible audio remained null.
I unrooted it by running the RUU in a virtual machine (I use a mac) and, even returned to stock, no sound. In-call audio remained (thank god). I took it in again and after the obligatory sea of clerical errors, sprint ordered me a new one. I really don't want to go through this again. I love the phone, but business is suffering. Is it possible that either of these issues were my fault? I've heard the inside of the M7 is quite convoluted and littered with coaxial cables like older HTCs and I did drop the second one twice. It had a nice case and simply slid out of the angled, inside breast pocket of my coat maybe three feet onto the floor each time. No such occurrence on the first. It makes sense what some are saying that the sound card simply became disconnected inside the case, but now I'm wondering if I'm mussing the root up somehow. My new phone will be here in a few days and I'm simply never going to use Sense 5. I'd rather eat discarded blowpops out of a sandbox. How can I make sure this doesn't happen again? Is it possible that these are both hardware defects and I'm the most unlucky customer ever? I see minimal cases of the latter issue occurring on the stock ROM, but it does happen. Usually it is fixable however. Mine was definitely not. Are these phones as unreliable as they have been for me? They seem to really impress even the picky crowd, so I'm thinking no. Help! Were these really both hardware issues, or did I mess them up?
Longest post I've ever seen. LOL
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I would unlock, root, and S-off your new device as soon as you get it, and try something different. CM10 is pretty outdated as it is, and even if you are hesitant to go to a newer version for fear of having a less stable experience, there are plenty of 10.2 ROMs that should be stable. Not only that, but there are numerous stock-based ROMs that will offer a great user experience with the ability to disable sense or remove it completely. RENOVATE is a great choice for that sort of experience. If you are looking to try something new, my latest build of Beanstalk is 4.4.2, CM based, and offers a lot of custom features not found in most other ROMs here at M7SPR. It does have some small bugs here and there, but nothing that impedes your ability to use it as a daily driver. Not pimping my own build, mind you, just offering options. So, give something new a try and hope for the best is my advice. Oh, and try harder not to drop the damn thing.
Happy Holidays!
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elvisypi said:
Longest post I've ever seen. LOL
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Yeah, sorry for the verbosity. I think I may have a problem 19th century British dramas.
hey thanks!
BMP7777 said:
I would unlock, root, and S-off your new device as soon as you get it, and try something different. CM10 is pretty outdated as it is, and even if you are hesitant to go to a newer version for fear of having a less stable experience, there are plenty of 10.2 ROMs that should be stable. Not only that, but there are numerous stock-based ROMs that will offer a great user experience with the ability to disable sense or remove it completely. RENOVATE is a great choice for that sort of experience. If you are looking to try something new, my latest build of Beanstalk is 4.4.2, CM based, and offers a lot of custom features not found in most other ROMs here at M7SPR. It does have some small bugs here and there, but nothing that impedes your ability to use it as a daily driver. Not pimping my own build, mind you, just offering options. So, give something new a try and hope for the best is my advice. Oh, and try harder not to drop the damn thing.
Happy Holidays!
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Thanks for the advice!:highfive: Out of curiosity, why do you say to get s-off instead of just HTCdev unlock? Also, I find alot of files that I assume are for the m7wls with m7spr in the title. I don't really not follow most of what people have posted about the different modes and titles, but I gather that as long as the ROM says m7 and is a CDMA version I'm good? I'm going to superglue this new one to my hand. not really. I need to be more careful though. never had a nice phone before. I would like one that has kitkat... I never had that phase of, "I hope I don't mess my phone up," with the EVO, but I like the one so much that I find I'm apprehensive about ROMs now. For the sake of calming my paranoia, what do you think the likelihood is that either of those issues had to do with CM10? It feels low to me since I unrooted and the problem persisted on the second one. Do you use your kitkat mod? I kinda do want kitkat and I'm such a fan of CM. admittedly partially because I like the color, but still. I like it. Where can I download?
Hi,
I have an ASUS TF701T (K00C) Tablet, with Jelly Bean v4.3.
It is Rooted and has CWM Recovery installed.
The SETTINGS >> ABOUT screen reads as follows:
Kernel Version:
3.4.57-g15e4406
[email protected] #1
Build Number:
JSS1SJ.US_epad-1.0.26.1.7.20131108020115_2013.10210002
I am not a developer, nor a programmer, so I need like a file (Zip, or whatever) and a method to install it.
Pershoot gave me this link:
https://github.com/pershoot/android_kernel_asus_tf701t
...but I can't make any sense of it. I don't know what all of those files are.
I can follow instructions. I've Rooted and installed Recovery on a number of devices and Kernels on a couple of them as well. But there was always a file and instructions. Like "Install from Zip" in Recovery, or sideloading with ADB (command line provided).
Can anyone please help me? I would really love to get this done!
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!!
Thats the kernel source ya?
Try this tutorial if you want to build your own kernel. Looks promising.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...mctr=(not provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=198280108
YayYouFixedIt said:
Thats the kernel source ya?
Try this tutorial if you want to build your own kernel. Looks promising.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sho...mctr=(not provided)&__utmv=-&__utmk=198280108
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I don't want to build my own kernel. That was the point of my post.
Not everyone wants to build everything they use from scratch. That's why Dominos & Dell are both so succesful.
There are only 3 custom roms out there for this device and they use the CM11 kernel or repacked stock kernel.
Nobody has released a custom kernel for this tablet, so if you want an OC kernel, you will HAVE to build it yourself.
Or be patient....
BTW, before you install any custom software you should upgrade to the .18 bootloader. Each of the 3 custom Roms requires it and if somebody builds a custom kernel it will most likely be designed to run with the latest bootloader and those roms.
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Tbh I don't think this device needs much OC right now and there is no way of doing it without rebuilding the kernel. I have no idea how to add OC to the source other than look at how _that did it using clemsyn's hack. That may not even work.
I wouldn't count on it soon. It's not high priority right now.
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There are only 3 custom roms out there for this device and they use the CM11 kernel or repacked stock kernel.
Nobody has released a custom kernel for this tablet, so if you want an OC kernel, you will HAVE to build it yourself.
Or be patient....
BTW, before you install any custom software you should upgrade to the .18 bootloader. Each of the 3 custom Roms requires it and if somebody builds a custom kernel it will most likely be designed to run with the latest bootloader and those roms.
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Okay, I don't know what a ".18 Bootloader" means, but like I said, I am not a programmer by any means. I can follow instructions, ya know?
Let me tell you my experience...
I have overclocked four devices in the past. In each instance, it was a very simple procedure, laid out step by step by whomever made it available. I had used both Pershoots Kernels and one called an "A1", for my old Glxy Tab 10.1".
It was only a few steps. And I didn't do it as part of a ROM or anything. In fact, in every case (except with my Note 2), I ran the Factory ROM on each device, Rooted.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyones efforts in creating ROMs. Everyone likes what they like. For me, I like TouchWiz and I like the Asus unterface (whatever it's called) and I do not want to change them. Besides having to wipe my device every time I update a custom ROM, which I don't have to do with the Factory ROM, as it will always upgrade without wiping my data, it's a lot of work to to the next Android, without using another custom ROM. With the Factory ROM, I can unroot and even get the factory recovery back in place if I need to and away I go!
Besides this, if I use a cutom ROM and let's say then KitKat is available for my device, what if only one developer(s) has put out a custom ROM with KitKat for me and I do not like their ROM? With the Factory ROM, I can update and then I can teak this and that, to get the experience I want, without cutting off the factory update channel.
Anyway, that's my take and my experience. You may completely disagree with all of it. <lol>
So the bottom line is, I was hoping to get just a flashable Kernel to add to my Factory ROM (Rooted) and a way to install it and that's it.
To the next fellow that responded, to me, it does need overclocking. Mine runs very slow quite often. Slower than my old Galaxy Tab 10.1" a lot of the time. The TF700T I had a while back would blow this thing's doors off!
But I blame the Jelly Bean 4.3 version of Android, because I know what this thing should be able to do and I have read a lot of speed complaints across devices with JB 4.3.
And don't you dare disagree! I choose to believe this, because if you burst that bubble on me, I'll be running down the street screaming, while pulling my hair out! Hahaha!
Thanks to both of you for responding to my post and letting me know what the current situation is. I appreciate you taking the time to do that for me.
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Okay, I don't know what a ".18 Bootloader" means, but like I said, I am not a programmer by any means. I can follow instructions, ya know?
Let me tell you my experience...
I have overclocked four devices in the past. In each instance, it was a very simple procedure, laid out step by step by whomever made it available. I had used both Pershoots Kernels and one called an "A1", for my old Glxy Tab 10.1".
It was only a few steps. And I didn't do it as part of a ROM or anything. In fact, in every case (except with my Note 2), I ran the Factory ROM on each device, Rooted.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking anyones efforts in creating ROMs. Everyone likes what they like. For me, I like TouchWiz and I like the Asus unterface (whatever it's called) and I do not want to change them. Besides having to wipe my device every time I update a custom ROM, which I don't have to do with the Factory ROM, as it will always upgrade without wiping my data, it's a lot of work to to the next Android, without using another custom ROM. With the Factory ROM, I can unroot and even get the factory recovery back in place if I need to and away I go!
Besides this, if I use a cutom ROM and let's say then KitKat is available for my device, what if only one developer(s) has put out a custom ROM with KitKat for me and I do not like their ROM? With the Factory ROM, I can update and then I can teak this and that, to get the experience I want, without cutting off the factory update channel.
Anyway, that's my take and my experience. You may completely disagree with all of it. <lol>
So the bottom line is, I was hoping to get just a flashable Kernel to add to my Factory ROM (Rooted) and a way to install it and that's it.
To the next fellow that responded, to me, it does need overclocking. Mine runs very slow quite often. Slower than my old Galaxy Tab 10.1" a lot of the time. The TF700T I had a while back would blow this thing's doors off!
But I blame the Jelly Bean 4.3 version of Android, because I know what this thing should be able to do and I have read a lot of speed complaints across devices with JB 4.3.
And don't you dare disagree! I choose to believe this, because if you burst that bubble on me, I'll be running down the street screaming, while pulling my hair out! Hahaha!
Thanks to both of you for responding to my post and letting me know what the current situation is. I appreciate you taking the time to do that for me.
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I am going to disagree and also say you have something wrong with your device. Out of the box the TF701 is one of the fastest android devices out there. Once you put a custom ROM on it it is even faster. And that is with out over clocking. Right now the CPU is not the bottle neck trust me.
The fact that you said your TF700 blows it out of the water indicates there is something seriously wrong. Go and run some benchmarks and give us some evidence where it is slow and maybe we can help you.
BTW I made a stock rooted ROM if you want to try messing.
Also are you using a microsd card. Maybe that is causing your issues. It's happened to a lot of others. Try removing it.
If I'm not mistaken, even if u unlock and install custom ROM, u can STILL return to stock and apply ota updates from Asus as they are released. So ur not cutting ur channel to getting latest stock updates. U just need to install stock firmware, and then place latest Asus firmware (ex: KitKat) in root of SD and reboot. U will update to the latest stock firmware. The only difference is that u won't receive the ota AUTOMATICALLY to us device rather u manually install it. Which is good as u won't have to WAIT for Asus to push the ota to ur device.
As for speeds, don't even compare the tf700 to tf701. If ur is running slow than ur tf700, then u SERIOUSLY have problems with ur device. Best way to find out is try running benchmarks and compare scores to tf700.
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If I'm not mistaken, even if u unlock and install custom ROM, u can STILL return to stock and apply ota updates from Asus as they are released. So ur not cutting ur channel to getting latest stock updates. U just need to install stock firmware, and then place latest Asus firmware (ex: KitKat) in root of SD and reboot. U will update to the latest stock firmware. The only difference is that u won't receive the ota AUTOMATICALLY to us device rather u manually install it. Which is good as u won't have to WAIT for Asus to push the ota to ur device.
As for speeds, don't even compare the tf700 to tf701. If ur is running slow than ur tf700, then u SERIOUSLY have problems with ur device. Best way to find out is try running benchmarks and compare scores to tf700.
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You can't do OTA but you can do full stock firmware installs.
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You can't do OTA but you can do full stock firmware installs.
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Ota are firmwares that Asus pushes to our device "over the air"?
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Ota are firmwares that Asus pushes to our device "over the air"?
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Exactly.
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So yes, ur not "cutting ur channel" to being on the latest stock Asus firmware Mr. Zeuszoos.
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I am going to disagree and also say you have something wrong with your device. Out of the box the TF701 is one of the fastest android devices out there. Once you put a custom ROM on it it is even faster. And that is with out over clocking. Right now the CPU is not the bottle neck trust me.
The fact that you said your TF700 blows it out of the water indicates there is something seriously wrong. Go and run some benchmarks and give us some evidence where it is slow and maybe we can help you.
BTW I made a stock rooted ROM if you want to try messing.
Also are you using a microsd card. Maybe that is causing your issues. It's happened to a lot of others. Try removing it.
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What benchmark do you use? I have the Pay version of that one that starts with a "Q"? Quadrant, or something like that.
I do have an External SD Card installed, but I always do, so it's apples and apples, ya know?
I do have a very fast SD Card, one of those UHC-10's, or something to that effect. I think it's supposed to be the fastest one out there right now.
I've actually been pretty fortunate when it comes to SD Cards. My devices have always run exactly the same, with or without them installed.
As for this device, I was originally running it without one. Had to wait for them to arrive. But again, I noticed no difference in how it performs.
My biggest slowdowns are waiting for the screen to draw and for a file operation to start, etc., et al. And I have even installed an SD booster, which did smooth it out pretty well, compared to what it was, but it's still not so fast.
But I get what you're saying. I ran it ithout modifications at first and it had JB 4.1.2 at first (mine did not come with 4.3) and it ran great! But once I installed JB 4.3, well, that pretty much ended my daily cherring that I was doin in the direction of my Tablet.
As for speed, I know that you're right about custom ROMs, especially with the CM ROMs. I know they're wicked fast!
But remember my friend, I didn't mention speed when I discussed custom ROMs.
My choice to stay with the Factory ROM, has nothing to do with speed. I stay with it only for the reason that I mentioned.
I appreciate your offer of help. I really do! And I would have provided a benchmark, but I wasn't sure which one you'd find acceptable.
Oh, I remember the name now! Quadrant!
Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
Zeuszoos said:
Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
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I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
Zeuszoos said:
What benchmark do you use? I have the Pay version of that one that starts with a "Q"? Quadrant, or something like that.
I do have an External SD Card installed, but I always do, so it's apples and apples, ya know?
I do have a very fast SD Card, one of those UHC-10's, or something to that effect. I think it's supposed to be the fastest one out there right now.
I've actually been pretty fortunate when it comes to SD Cards. My devices have always run exactly the same, with or without them installed.
As for this device, I was originally running it without one. Had to wait for them to arrive. But again, I noticed no difference in how it performs.
My biggest slowdowns are waiting for the screen to draw and for a file operation to start, etc., et al. And I have even installed an SD booster, which did smooth it out pretty well, compared to what it was, but it's still not so fast.
But I get what you're saying. I ran it ithout modifications at first and it had JB 4.1.2 at first (mine did not come with 4.3) and it ran great! But once I installed JB 4.3, well, that pretty much ended my daily cherring that I was doin in the direction of my Tablet.
As for speed, I know that you're right about custom ROMs, especially with the CM ROMs. I know they're wicked fast!
But remember my friend, I didn't mention speed when I discussed custom ROMs.
My choice to stay with the Factory ROM, has nothing to do with speed. I stay with it only for the reason that I mentioned.
I appreciate your offer of help. I really do! And I would have provided a benchmark, but I wasn't sure which one you'd find acceptable.
Oh, I remember the name now! Quadrant!
Will that one do? I personally do not think it will reflect what I'm seeing though. Plus, it's not just me. As I said, I read about this across devices and specifically regarding the TF701T, so I don't think I'm crazy.
Also, with no disrespect intended, if you're running a "really fast" custm ROM, then you can't really tell me how mine's doing, because it would be apples and oranges, ya know?
But I am certainly willing to try stuff with you, no problem! And thanks a bunch for wanting to do so!!!
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Trust me I know how the stock ROM runs. In quadrant you should get 15,000+ which isn't slow. You'll also see from the breakdown that the CPU is not the bottle neck. Tweaked and customised you'll see 18,000
Do me a favour get rid of that SD software and remove the sdcard, reboot. Run quadrant. What do you get....?
Time for a factory reset?
berndblb said:
I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
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Not confusing the two. I know what I'm typing on, my friend.
I personally do not even like custom ROMs based on the Factory ROM. You still have to wipe and install again when the new version comes out (if it does) and since that takes me 2-3 days of setup, I don't want to do that. And when, as I said, on my Note 2, I installed a custom ROM, it was also based on the Factory ROM and was v4.1.2, but when v4.3 came out, guess what? There would be no new ROM versions to replace the one I had, because the developer got rid of his Note 2, so that meant a wipe/reset and starting from scratch!
No with a straight Factory ROM, that would not be necessary when an update came out.
Again, I'm not knocking custom ROMs. In fact, the developer did one heck of a nice job with the one I installed on my Note 2! But I just do not wish to go through that and so, I left my Note 2 at v4.1.2 and even sold it with that custom ROM still installd on it (they knew everything, I didn't hide anything from the buyer and they liked it as it was).
You have to understand, that with settin up folders, installing my apps, which is about 375 of them and tweaking the settings in each and every one of them, as I'm going through them, Install/Tweak, Install/Tweak, etc., et al, it can easily take me 2-3 days of work to set up my device again, so Factory Resets do not get done to my devices! I fix problems, I don't erase them!
Anyway, I have been a "Computer/Electronics Tech" for 30 years and taught the stuff as well, so while I'm not a programmer and I'm not an Android "exoert", I do know what my eyes are looking at and I can follow instructions.
So I approached it logically, when it felt sluggish to me and before setting everything up on my Tablet, I did run benchmarks. And I did not have the SD Card installed in the slot yet, being well aware that they can cause performance issues.
And what I did to minimize any possible impact, was to buy the fastest performing Micro-SD Card out there and ran benchmarked both before and after it's installation and saw no impact from it, which surpised me a bit, but never-the-less, there was no impact on my device.
But here's teh thing that I must not have made clear; When I'm running a game or something, it runs great! It's the average little "always doing those things" sort of stuff that's sluggish. Like when you flip an app to the background and you're expecting the screen to redraw and show your icons/shortcuts/whatever you want to call them. Me? That's when I sit and wait. That's just one example.
As for custom ROMs, like I said, not knocking them at all. KJust not a fan of them, because putting the new one on (after OS update has come out) involves wiping and starting from scratch and when you have almost 400 apps installed, it's a 2-3 days job! And I simply do not believe people that claim that they do it a couple of hours and that's it. It takes a lot longer than that, just to !tap "Install" for each one and get the apps on your device
As I said, I had a custom ROM on my Note 2 and like the one you mentioned, it was based on the Factory ROM.
But guess wat happened? The developer got rid of his Note 2, which meant (as he said), no update and so anyone who wanted to go up in their OS version now had to wipe and start from scratch!
As a side note, personally, I do not like it when people are so quick to say; "Just perform a Factory Reset", because they do not know what's involved in that for a number o people. Plus, to me, no offense to anyone, it just seems to me like giving up. I'd much rather figure out how to make it work. But I find lots of people always saying "Factory Reset!", for every little problem and to me, that just doesn't make sense (I'm not saying that it wouldnt, or wouldn't in this case)! I'd much rather have the Factory ROM, Rooted, with an OC Kernel. Then get rid of all of those apps that they know we don't want, but wish to annoy us for a while with them.
So I'm looking to stay with the Factory ROM, without bloat and an OC Kernel. But I have to admit, the ROM that you mentioned does sound intriguing to me! Any links to it?
I guess I'm a bit worried that 4.4.3 will come out right after I install the ROM you mentioned, but I do want to check it out! Who knows? Maybe I'll stick with it and just never change out the ROM.
What ver of Android is it again and did you provide a link for it? I'm in "Reply" mode hereand cannot see your post. right now.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!!
Btw, Quadrant ht 18 thousand. But like I said, it's not the running of apps/games once they've started up. It's the basic stuff and starting up of big apps (star apps, games, etc.) that's not fun!
berndblb said:
I would bet you are mixing up reports about the TF700 with the TF701. I am following quite a few forums and threads on both devices and nobody, ever complained about the 701 being slow - except you of course
I was running it on stock until about 2 months ago and even then it was blazingly fast in everything: Downloads, browsing, file transfers, switching between apps - no hesitations whatsoever.
Face it: It's something YOU did. [emoji12][emoji56][emoji33]
Flash sbadgs's rooted Asus stock rom. It's pure stock - just cleaned up with few optimazations. You won't even notice the difference to pure stock - except exceptionally better performance of course.
And if you don't, it's time to wipe your data partition, re-install your apps slowly and find what's causing this beautiful machine to bog down.
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Read my other reply that I just finished, but go thru it carefully, please.
As for this ROM, I wish you had pasted in a link. I might have even tried it. But I just spent 3 days setting this thing up two weeks ago and that's a lot to go thru again! Especially so soon after doing it!
And no, I won't believe you if you claim I should be able to do it in a couple of hours. You do not know my setup.
As for it being something I did, that's quite rude and you do have an attitude. You do not even know me and I'm sorry, but you're not going to convince me that I am the only person in the world that waits for a screen to draw, just because it's a 701. That's a ridiculous claim! And you should ask yourself why your ego tells you that if YOU can't find it in the whole minutes that you spent looking for it, that means that it doesn't exist. Apparently you feel that it should all come to you. That's ego.
But hey, maybe I'm just deluded, or on drugs. Or maybe I hit my head falling out of a tree. Or maybe I just don't know anything about electronic devices. I mean after all, YOU could not find it, which MUST mean that it does NOT exist! But let me quote something to you regarding this Tab and 4.3, which is what I said slowed mine down;
"4.3 for the TF701T is on Asus's web site... The I/O has slowed it down to a crawl."
Since you don't like to paste in links and prefer to slam me instead, I won't paste the link in for you either.
I have openly stated that I am not a programmer. I am also not an Android "expert". I do know a lot about the subject, but I am by no means an expert.
What I do have for qualifications, is being a compluter/electronics technician (a real one,) for 30 years and an instructor of everything from sub-atomic teory (which is involved, believe it or not), all the way up to Global Wireless Networking, including satellite technology (and by that, I mean anything involved). And when I say all of this, I mean going anywhere from the overview, down to the board and chip level of every device involved.
I'm not saying any of this to brag. I'm simply showing you what an idiot you are for assuming that you know what I know and what I don't know. And for just assuming that I did something wrong, stating it as an incontrovertable fact!
The bottom line is, it ran nice and smooth in all operations, until I performed the system update to JB v4.3 and then, while games/large apps run beautifully, starting them up is very sluggish! And o is waiting for the screen to redraw after a simple operation like throwing an app to the background.
As for the ROM, like I said, I might have even tried it, even not being a fan of custom ROMs, because it's based on the Factory ROM and if it's a KitKat v4.4.2 for the TF701T, ten I would probably go for it and just leave it at that OS level for as long as I owned the Tablet.
But if it's a JB v4.3 ROM, whether based on the Factory ROM or not, then I'm simply not interested at all, no way, period. I see no point in redoing my entire setup, just so that I can go from v4.3, to v4.3.
I'm sorry to be so blunt in this reply, but you didn't exactly leave a lot of room for friendliness. Especially not with your "Face it! YOU did something wrong!". In truth, that was a comment that was just plain silly! And one that was not based on any facts that you gathered, but rather, just your assumptions about me. And that, my "friend", whether you want to hear it or not, is pure ego!
I'll take a look for that ROM. But as we both know, if I can't find it, that means that it was never written, right? And of course, as we all know, that would also mean that YOU did something WRONG when you mentioned it, right?
Update: I just searched XDA for "TF701T" "ROM" "sbadgs" and it responded with zero results. Guess that means that YOU did something WRONG! <lol!>
sbdags said:
Trust me I know how the stock ROM runs. In quadrant you should get 15,000+ which isn't slow. You'll also see from the breakdown that the CPU is not the bottle neck. Tweaked and customised you'll see 18,000
Do me a favour get rid of that SD software and remove the sdcard, reboot. Run quadrant. What do you get....?
Time for a factory reset?
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I believe you do, my friend! I was not doubting you on that at all!
I did just notice that you are the guy making the custom ROM being discussed here. That's cool. To talk to the source, I mean.
I am not interested though. Not because of the quality of your work or anything. From the discussion here, it seems like a great product! I'm just not interested in spending days setting up again, just to go from v4.3, to JB v4.3, that's all.
But if I were to install a ROM, I'm quite sure that it would be yours, as I do very much appreciate retaining the factory experience and getting rid of as much bloatware as possible!
Just FYI, I did strip out at least 2/3 of the bloatware that comes with the ASUS Factory ROM.
Just as a note; If your ROM was KitKat v4.4.2 and you did what you did to this v4.3 ROM, then in all truth, I probably would install it and just leave it at that forever and enjoy your ROM!
Unless you can tell me that I could install your ROM over the Factory ROM and I won't lose my apps? I know that can be done in certain circumstances and of course, when the factory puts out a ROM update, it does do exactly that and you do not lose your apps, nor any of your own data.
If I cannot do that with your ROM, could you please tell me why I should change my mind and install yours anyway?
Please understand, I'm not asking that out of vanity, nor am I intending to be demanding.
Instead, I am genuinely asking a sincere question. I am actually going for humility, not vanity here, in that I recognize that no one is going to know your ROM better than you and I'm thinking that due to your superior knowledge (that's not meant to be patronizing), you would be able to tell me (if you feel so inclined) to tell me what important advantages I might gin from your custom ROM, that I do not currently possess,
As for where I am right now, of course I am on Jelly Bean v4.3.
I have also stripped out the majority of the bloatware that comes from the factory and so, it is not a case in which I just have a ton of stuff running wild on my tablet, eating up resources and thus, performance.
Again, just FYI, I am also running "Greenify", as well as "BootManager" (Defim Utils) and of course, "App Quarantine" for anything that might slip through my barricades <lol!>
So I leave it up to you, my friend. If you are so inclined (if not, then I appreciate the time you gave me already), what is it that should really draw me to your ROM, versus what I already have/have done?
Once again, THANK YOU for your time! I REALLY DO appreciate it!!!
Zeuszoos said:
I believe you do, my friend! I was not doubting you on that at all!
I did just notice that you are the guy making the custom ROM being discussed here. That's cool. To talk to the source, I mean.
I am not interested though. Not because of the quality of your work or anything. From the discussion here, it seems like a great product! I'm just not interested in spending days setting up again, just to go from v4.3, to JB v4.3, that's all.
But if I were to install a ROM, I'm quite sure that it would be yours, as I do very much appreciate retaining the factory experience and getting rid of as much bloatware as possible!
Just FYI, I did strip out at least 2/3 of the bloatware that comes with the ASUS Factory ROM.
Just as a note; If your ROM was KitKat v4.4.2 and you did what you did to this v4.3 ROM, then in all truth, I probably would install it and just leave it at that forever and enjoy your ROM!
Unless you can tell me that I could install your ROM over the Factory ROM and I won't lose my apps? I know that can be done in certain circumstances and of course, when the factory puts out a ROM update, it does do exactly that and you do not lose your apps, nor any of your own data.
If I cannot do that with your ROM, could you please tell me why I should change my mind and install yours anyway?
Please understand, I'm not asking that out of vanity, nor am I intending to be demanding.
Instead, I am genuinely asking a sincere question. I am actually going for humility, not vanity here, in that I recognize that no one is going to know your ROM better than you and I'm thinking that due to your superior knowledge (that's not meant to be patronizing), you would be able to tell me (if you feel so inclined) to tell me what important advantages I might gin from your custom ROM, that I do not currently possess,
As for where I am right now, of course I am on Jelly Bean v4.3.
I have also stripped out the majority of the bloatware that comes from the factory and so, it is not a case in which I just have a ton of stuff running wild on my tablet, eating up resources and thus, performance.
Again, just FYI, I am also running "Greenify", as well as "BootManager" (Defim Utils) and of course, "App Quarantine" for anything that might slip through my barricades <lol!>
So I leave it up to you, my friend. If you are so inclined (if not, then I appreciate the time you gave me already), what is it that should really draw me to your ROM, versus what I already have/have done?
Once again, THANK YOU for your time! I REALLY DO appreciate it!!!
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Well you can install my ROM over the top and it would keep your apps and data. However the Asus unlock tool wipes the device But you can use the Asus backup tool to backup and then restore afterwards. You'll lose 15 minutes of your life doing it and you could do something more important during that time
Anyway you haven't run quadrant. I also don't like or recommend apps like greenify and bootmanager as they can and do introduce problems. You seem to be running a lot of background stuff. Why? Just unlock, flash my ROM, choose only the apps you want and be done with it
BTW I also created a 4.4.2 based ROM in original dev but it is still beta and doesn't support the Asus apps although it runs most other stuff fine.
sbdags said:
Well you can install my ROM over the top and it would keep your apps and data. However the Asus unlock tool wipes the device But you can use the Asus backup tool to backup and then restore afterwards. You'll lose 15 minutes of your life doing it and you could do something more important during that time
Anyway you haven't run quadrant. I also don't like or recommend apps like greenify and bootmanager as they can and do introduce problems. You seem to be running a lot of background stuff. Why? Just unlock, flash my ROM, choose only the apps you want and be done with it
BTW I also created a 4.4.2 based ROM in original dev but it is still beta and doesn't support the Asus apps although it runs most other stuff fine.
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I do get what you're saying and thanks for the info. But to address a few points:
1) I did run Quadrant and stated that it hit 18k.
2) I also stated that I don't have a problem with how apps run. The problem I see with speed, as I've said a couple of times, is the basic stuff, like exiting an app and waiting for the screen to draw, shortcuts getting created, stuff like that. The basic stuff. But once an app does come up (which seems delayed to me), it runs smooth as glass!
3) As for what I'm choosing to run in the background, you don't usually choose to do that. Apps do that all by themselves when you install them. That's why I said that setting up for me is not a 2 hour affair, but a 2 day affair. Because I go into the settings for each and every app I install and disable that stuff whenever possible.
4) The reason I use a bootmanager and Greenify, is because Task Managers (an erroneous title for those apps) kill the apps, but not the problem. The apps just start right back up again. I prefer to change the settings in an app and for those that don't allow that, I keep them from running in the first place. Then they only run when I want to use them. For example, I do not have news apps updating in the background. I update them manually after I open them.
5) I do not care about running the Asus apps. I have removed all of those that I can, except a couple of necessary ones. If you have a 4.4.2 ROM that will run stable, I would be interested in testing it for you once you consider it to be "finished". I'm using that term loosely of course, meaning that there will always be some sort of bugs in any piece of software that's out there.
You've been very kind and very helpful. Thank you for your time!
Also, I am a tech and have been for 30 years. So if there's ever any hardware, or Windows (I know) questions you have, please feel free to PM me and I'll give you my personal email address there. I appreciate community and people like you help to make it one! I sincerely mean that!
As for your ROM, I'm going to wait for you to come out with a KitKat ROM and then install that. I assume it will be after ASUS releases the OS update???
It's fine, because I've got some othr priojects, like trying to convince my LG Optimus F6 that the 32GB External SD Card is actually its Internal Storage. There actually is a way to do it, but so far, I can't get it to do anything more than swap the two while it's running. Once I reboot it, it says; "Nuh, Uh!!!".
Do you have your own thread where you announce your stuff? I'd like to keep up to date with your new releases. I don't trust stuff from too many people, but as far as how a ROM should be done, you and I seem to be on the same page. Just what you need and then customize it with apps yourself.
P.S.: I'm still interested in OverClocking this thing. For me, the rule is as follows: "Does it run? Yes? Then it needs to be overclocked!".
I.e., Asking ME if it needs to be overclocked is kind of like taking my friend Jeff shopping for his next motorcycle. He was looking at two of them. He asked about the top speed. The sales guy told him one went up to 160MPH and the other to 170MPH. The salesman then said; "But at that speed, does the 10MPH really matter?".
My friend Jeff looked at him with a very serious face and eyes wide open and said; "Of course it does!!!".
My philosophy with Porsches and computing devices.
Thanks again!