Download from the Store.
I purchased a Sony Bravia KDL-40EX525 a few months ago and noticed that there were official remote control apps for Android and iPhone from Sony but, unfortunatelly, not for WP7 (not even an unofficial one). Since I own a LG Optimus 7 I got curious about this and started to develop something similar for myself, specifically because I hate using the stock remote control to enter text.
I based my work on this blog post http://blogs.msdn.com/b/andypennell...ws-phone-7-5-mango-part-1-ssdp-discovery.aspx. Many thanks to Andy Pennell for that, his post was really helpful and a great starting point.
The app requires you to be on the same network as the TV.
If you want to try this make sure the TV is ON (give it time to initialize the services. It cannot be turned on/off with this app because it has to talk to the IRCC service that is only available when the device is ON). See the screen of your TV the first time you run the app because it requires that you register your device in order to be able to iterate.
I appreciate your feedbacks, suggestions, bug report or questions that you may have.
Tested on models:
- KDL-40EX525 (mine)
- KDL-32HX758 (thanks lordmaxey)
It should work on:
- Blu-ray Disc(TM) players: BDP-S370, S470, S570, S770, S1700, BX37, BX57, S380, S480, S580, S780, BX38, BX58, S390, S490, S590, S790, BX39, BX59, NSZ-GP9
- Blu-ray Disc(TM) Home Theater Systems: BDV-IZ1000W, HZ970W, E970W, E870, E770W, E670W, E570, E470, E370, T57, F7, F700, F500, E985W, E980W, E980, E880, E780W, E580, E380, T58, L800M, L800, L600, N990W, N890W, N790W, N590, E690, E490, E385, E390, E290, E190, NF720, NF620, EF420, EF220, T79, T39
- Streaming Player/Network Media Player: SMP-N100, SMP-N200, NSZ-GP7
- AV Receiver: STR-DN1020, STR-DN1030, STR-DA1800ES
- BRAVIA: KDL-HX92 series, HX82 series, HX72 series, NX72 series, EX72 series, EX62 series, EX52 series, EX42 series, EX32 series, CX52 series, HX85 series, HX75 series, EX65 series, EX55 series
- Sony Internet TV: NSX-24GT1, 32GT1, 40GT1, 46GT1, NSZ-GT1
- VAIO: VAIO L (SVL241)
wow, awesome!
I'll try immediately when i'm home.
lordmaxey said:
wow, awesome!
I'll try immediately when i'm home.
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Great! if you can post your TV model it will be greatly apprecciated so we can add it to the "tested list" of models.
etrosce said:
Great! if you can post your TV model it will be greatly apprecciated so we can add it to the "tested list" of models.
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Hi there,
i've got a Sony Bravia KDL-32HX758
I'll tell you when i've tested it looking forward!
Edit:
one word: awesome!
It works great and i absolutely LOVE it!! Great work!!! Congrats!
lordmaxey said:
Hi there,
i've got a Sony Bravia KDL-32HX758
I'll tell you when i've tested it looking forward!
Edit:
one word: awesome!
It works great and i absolutely LOVE it!! Great work!!! Congrats!
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Thanks and enjoy :good:. I've just updated the post to list the models we know it works... Hope to see more feedback here
Hi!
I wanted to try your app, but my television (w655) didn't want to agree on that.
Are you maybe willing to share the source code of the app?
Or do you want to check why it's not working?
Thanks!
mendel129 said:
Hi!
I wanted to try your app, but my television (w655) didn't want to agree on that.
Are you maybe willing to share the source code of the app?
Or do you want to check why it's not working?
Thanks!
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Hey there,
I've been researching a little bit about it before. It looks like Sony changed completely the way to remote control in latest models, specially W series. No documentation about that. So, the only way to try to discover how it works now, is to have a W series to try with (which I do not have)
Sorry about that.
What you can do is try to discover how the new service works by yourself, so we can expand the compatibility of the App. If you are interested, I can guide you with some clues, tools and techinches I used in the past to do so.
I may open the code, I haven't even considered it but I think it's a good idea.
etrosce said:
Hey there,
I've been researching a little bit about it before. It looks like Sony changed completely the way to remote control in latest models, specially W series. No documentation about that. So, the only way to try to discover how it works now, is to have a W series to try with (which I do not have)
Sorry about that.
What you can do is try to discover how the new service works by yourself, so we can expand the compatibility of the App. If you are interested, I can guide you with some clues, tools and techinches I used in the past to do so.
I may open the code, I haven't even considered it but I think it's a good idea.
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I've been playing with our 2013 model a couple of days now, and it seems the controls still works (compatible with 2012) but the registration process is not necessary anymore...
Anyway, if you put the code somehwere, i'll try if it works somehow
thanks!
mendel129 said:
I've been playing with our 2013 model a couple of days now, and it seems the controls still works (compatible with 2012) but the registration process is not necessary anymore...
Anyway, if you put the code somehwere, i'll try if it works somehow
thanks!
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Sounds good, give me a couple of days to set it up and will let you know.
In the meantime, does your device description xml look like this one? http://www.upnp-database.info/device.jsp?deviceId=662 (See Description XML tab). If so, you may want to try ScalarWebAPI service on your modes. In that xml you can get some urls that will return some valuable (or not) information that may give you some clues.
Stay tunned,
Esteban
i have Klv 32EX330
how can i to make it working with this app
life25ak said:
i have Klv 32EX330
how can i to make it working with this app
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I'm not sure you model actually supports to be remote controlled as it isn't event listed by sony as supported (see supported models above).
Does the app find your model? (be sure both are connected to the same lan)
etrosce said:
I'm not sure you model actually supports to be remote controlled as it isn't event listed by sony as supported (see supported models above).
Does the app find your model? (be sure both are connected to the same lan)
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no doesnt
thank you so much
life25ak said:
no doesnt
thank you so much
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Well, I'm afraid, as I said before, it does not provides de services required for remote control support. Sorry.
etrosce said:
Sounds good, give me a couple of days to set it up and will let you know.
In the meantime, does your device description xml look like this one? http://www.upnp-database.info/device.jsp?deviceId=662 (See Description XML tab). If so, you may want to try ScalarWebAPI service on your modes. In that xml you can get some urls that will return some valuable (or not) information that may give you some clues.
Stay tunned,
Esteban
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Hey man,
so, I gathered some information, please check following xml-files
http://mendelonline.be/sony/
Also, almost all commands from vremote (http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html) are actually working
mendel129 said:
Hey man,
so, I gathered some information, please check following xml-files
http://mendelonline.be/sony/
Also, almost all commands from vremote (http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html) are actually working
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Hey, sorry for the delay on sharing the code, I changed laptop and had to re-setup my dev env. Will try to have it done for the weekend.
In the meantime...I wonder what all this urls return:
http://192.168.1.54/sony/guide
http://192.168.1.54/sony/system
....
http://192.168.1.54/sony/irCommandProxy
Basically everything under <av:X_ScalarWebAPI_ServiceList> from dmr.xml. Actually, I would try any url available in that file
We should see where getRemoteCommandList api is located (together with other relevant APIs)
In previous models it was returned as a result from http://192.168.1.54/cers/ActionList.xml. It should be somewhere else now.
Also, did you confirmed that there is no registration required now at all?
Thanks!!!
etrosce said:
Hey, sorry for the delay on sharing the code, I changed laptop and had to re-setup my dev env. Will try to have it done for the weekend.
In the meantime...I wonder what all this urls return:
http://192.168.1.54/sony/guide
http://192.168.1.54/sony/system
....
http://192.168.1.54/sony/irCommandProxy
Basically everything under <av:X_ScalarWebAPI_ServiceList> from dmr.xml. Actually, I would try any url available in that file
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ok, we've got an entire json conversation going to http://ip:80/sony/system
We should see where getRemoteCommandList api is located (together with other relevant APIs)
In previous models it was returned as a result from http://192.168.1.54/cers/ActionList.xml. It should be somewhere else now.
Also, did you confirmed that there is no registration required now at all?
Thanks!!!
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No problem, didn't had time myself
Well, there basically 2 webservers/-services running.
One nginx on tcp:80, and something else on tcp:52323 (tcp header contains: Server=Linux/2.6 UPnP/1.0 KDL-42W655A/1.7)
actionlist is "gone", but i'm trying to capture network traffic from the official sony app to figure out the new location
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ok, so there's an entire "json conversation" going on http://ip:80/sony/system
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bingo
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send this json command:
{"id":20,"method":"getRemoteControllerInfo","version":"1.0","params":[]}
to
http://192.168.1.61/sony/system
and this comes back as return:
{"id":20,"result":[{"bundled":true,"type":"RM-J1100"},[{"name":"PowerOff","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAvAw=="},{"name":"Input","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAlAw=="},{"name":"GGuide","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAOAw=="},{"name":"EPG","value":"AAAAAgAAAKQAAABbAw=="},{"name":"Favorites","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAAB2Aw=="},{"name":"Display","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA6Aw=="},{"name":"Home","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAABgAw=="},{"name":"Options","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAA2Aw=="},{"name":"Return","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAjAw=="},{"name":"Up","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAB0Aw=="},{"name":"Down","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAB1Aw=="},{"name":"Right","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAzAw=="},{"name":"Left","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA0Aw=="},{"name":"Confirm","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAABlAw=="},{"name":"Red","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAlAw=="},{"name":"Green","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAmAw=="},{"name":"Yellow","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAnAw=="},{"name":"Blue","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAkAw=="},{"name":"Num1","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAw=="},{"name":"Num2","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAABAw=="},{"name":"Num3","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAACAw=="},{"name":"Num4","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAADAw=="},{"name":"Num5","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAEAw=="},{"name":"Num6","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAFAw=="},{"name":"Num7","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAGAw=="},{"name":"Num8","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAHAw=="},{"name":"Num9","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAIAw=="},{"name":"Num0","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAJAw=="},{"name":"Num11","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAKAw=="},{"name":"Num12","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAALAw=="},{"name":"VolumeUp","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAASAw=="},{"name":"VolumeDown","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAATAw=="},{"name":"Mute","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAUAw=="},{"name":"ChannelUp","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAQAw=="},{"name":"ChannelDown","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAARAw=="},{"name":"SubTitle","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAoAw=="},{"name":"ClosedCaption","value":"AAAAAgAAAKQAAAAQAw=="},{"name":"Enter","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAALAw=="},{"name":"DOT","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAdAw=="},{"name":"Analog","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAAANAw=="},{"name":"Teletext","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA/Aw=="},{"name":"Exit","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAABjAw=="},{"name":"Analog2","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA4Aw=="},{"name":"*AD","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAA7Aw=="},{"name":"Digital","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAyAw=="},{"name":"Analog?","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAuAw=="},{"name":"BS","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAsAw=="},{"name":"CS","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAArAw=="},{"name":"BSCS","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAQAw=="},{"name":"Ddata","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAVAw=="},{"name":"PicOff","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA+Aw=="},{"name":"Tv_Radio","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABXAw=="},{"name":"Theater","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAABgAw=="},{"name":"SEN","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB9Aw=="},{"name":"InternetWidgets","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB6Aw=="},{"name":"InternetVideo","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB5Aw=="},{"name":"Netflix","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB8Aw=="},{"name":"SceneSelect","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB4Aw=="},{"name":"Mode3D","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAABNAw=="},{"name":"iManual","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB7Aw=="},{"name":"Audio","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAAXAw=="},{"name":"Wide","value":"AAAAAgAAAKQAAAA9Aw=="},{"name":"Jump","value":"AAAAAQAAAAEAAAA7Aw=="},{"name":"PAP","value":"AAAAAgAAAKQAAAB3Aw=="},{"name":"MyEPG","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAABrAw=="},{"name":"ProgramDescription","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAWAw=="},{"name":"WriteChapter","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAABsAw=="},{"name":"TrackID","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB+Aw=="},{"name":"TenKey","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAMAw=="},{"name":"AppliCast","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABvAw=="},{"name":"acTVila","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAByAw=="},{"name":"DeleteVideo","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAAAfAw=="},{"name":"PhotoFrame","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABVAw=="},{"name":"TvPause","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABnAw=="},{"name":"KeyPad","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAAB1Aw=="},{"name":"Media","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAA4Aw=="},{"name":"SyncMenu","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABYAw=="},{"name":"Forward","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAcAw=="},{"name":"Play","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAaAw=="},{"name":"Rewind","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAbAw=="},{"name":"Prev","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAA8Aw=="},{"name":"Stop","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAYAw=="},{"name":"Next","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAA9Aw=="},{"name":"Rec","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAgAw=="},{"name":"Pause","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAAZAw=="},{"name":"Eject","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAABIAw=="},{"name":"FlashPlus","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAB4Aw=="},{"name":"FlashMinus","value":"AAAAAgAAAJcAAAB5Aw=="},{"name":"TopMenu","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABgAw=="},{"name":"PopUpMenu","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABhAw=="},{"name":"RakurakuStart","value":"AAAAAgAAAHcAAABqAw=="},{"name":"OneTouchTimeRec","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABkAw=="},{"name":"OneTouchView","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABlAw=="},{"name":"OneTouchRec","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABiAw=="},{"name":"OneTouchStop","value":"AAAAAgAAABoAAABjAw=="}]]}
mendel129 said:
No problem, didn't had time myself
Well, there basically 2 webservers/-services running.
One nginx on tcp:80, and something else on tcp:52323 (tcp header contains: Server=Linux/2.6 UPnP/1.0 KDL-42W655A/1.7)
actionlist is "gone", but i'm trying to capture network traffic from the official sony app to figure out the new location
--edit--
ok, so there's an entire "json conversation" going on http://ip:80/sony/system
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bingo
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This is all good. It would be great if we find the url that actually returns the list of APIs. Have you tried http://ip:80/sony/system to see what it returns in the browser?
etrosce said:
This is all good. It would be great if we find the url that actually returns the list of APIs. Have you tried http://ip:80/sony/system to see what it returns in the browser?
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just browsing to the "site" just gives an empty page...
it only reply's on json requests
all commands i've found so far are from capturing traffic from my android tablet
check here: http://mendelonline.be/sony/sony.txt
further, the "register" function exists, but it not really necesarry...
i noticed the sony tablet app registering, but i can just send commands from upnpspy directly from my pc without registering...
another thingy: wol is just basic wake on lan
I received an email from the creator of the windows app that works for our 2013 model bravia. (http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html#sony_virtual_remote)
Hi,
I would like to share my experiences with you, maybe it can help in the
investigation of the new API structure.
1. The registered status is not required in 2011/12 Sony TV models either to
send pure IRCC SOAP messages (or use the X_SendIRCC UPnP service) .
2. The registered status is required to get meaningful response from url
based API functions (e.g sendText, getText, getRemoteCommandList etc..)
So just an idea: You should try to test these new URL based commands with a
registered status. To achieve this:
1. You should make a new registration and send these data with your browser
2. Use an existing registration e.g. Falcosoft's Sony Virtual Remote and
send the program's data with your browser.
I suggest to use Firefox with Modify Headers plugin. For option 2 here are
the required header fields:
'X-CERS-DEVICE-ID' -> 'vaio:11111111-D7A0-11DD-119C-6D990C3C4529' ;
'X-CERS-DEVICE-INFO' -> 'falco_virtual_remote' ;
Best Regards:
Zoltán Bacskó
Falcosoft
Ps: If you can ask the topic owner to authorize my xda-developers account to
send posts to this topic I would be grateful. My new xda-developers account
is 'Falcosoft'
mendel129 said:
I received an email from the creator of the windows app that works for our 2013 model bravia. (http://falcosoft.hu/softwares.html#sony_virtual_remote)
Hi,
I would like to share my experiences with you, maybe it can help in the
investigation of the new API structure.
1. The registered status is not required in 2011/12 Sony TV models either to
send pure IRCC SOAP messages (or use the X_SendIRCC UPnP service) .
2. The registered status is required to get meaningful response from url
based API functions (e.g sendText, getText, getRemoteCommandList etc..)
So just an idea: You should try to test these new URL based commands with a
registered status. To achieve this:
1. You should make a new registration and send these data with your browser
2. Use an existing registration e.g. Falcosoft's Sony Virtual Remote and
send the program's data with your browser.
I suggest to use Firefox with Modify Headers plugin. For option 2 here are
the required header fields:
'X-CERS-DEVICE-ID' -> 'vaio:11111111-D7A0-11DD-119C-6D990C3C4529' ;
'X-CERS-DEVICE-INFO' -> 'falco_virtual_remote' ;
Best Regards:
Zoltán Bacskó
Falcosoft
Ps: If you can ask the topic owner to authorize my xda-developers account to
send posts to this topic I would be grateful. My new xda-developers account
is 'Falcosoft'
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Interesting fact that that app works for you. I think this is because that app uses some hardcoded data by default while BraviaControl completely relies on the APIs exposed by the services. It looks like some APIs where left there "hidden" for backward compatibility purposes. I think we should try something like: Cannot find the APIs?, try to force the use. In your case, it may partially (or completely, why not?) work.
Anyway, all that json conversation looks like to be the new way to comunicate with the TV, so, it will be nice to implement that sometime too.
Thanks! I have already set up the code in the cloud. Will be sending the details on how to access it soon (Sorry, I don't currently have very much time free for this project, so bear with me )
I just bought a bunch of NFC tags, and I can't get them to write with the LG G2. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457159 we were hijacking that thread so I moved it here.
Has anyone successfully written an NFC tag with any variant of the LG G2 (most notably the Verizon).??
What software did you use?
What type of NFC tags did you use?
I am wondering if there is either an incompatibility with NFC Task Launcher or with the TAGS I bought which are here
http://www.amazon.com/NFC-Tags-Anti-Metal-Waterproof-Compatible/dp/B00B42K5BM/ref=sr_1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1380128869&sr=1-4&keywords=nfc+tags
Anyone have any thoughts?
I was able to write to a tag with Tag Launcher. It happens to be a tag I got through them. Using NFC Tag Info app, this is how it is identified:
Type A
NTAG203
NFC Forum Type 2 Tag
Maximum Message Size 142Byte
I just programmed it to put phone in Desktop dock mode.
jasonsf said:
I was able to write to a tag with Tag Launcher. It happens to be a tag I got through them. Using NFC Tag Info app, this is how it is identified:
Type A
NTAG203
NFC Forum Type 2 Tag
Maximum Message Size 142Byte
I just programmed it to put phone in Desktop dock mode.
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What location on the phone was the tag.. maybe I just need to touch it to a different place.
dlang123 said:
What location on the phone was the tag.. maybe I just need to touch it to a different place.
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I've been playing with different locations. It seems to work best a quarter to a third up from the bottom. Sometimes is works near the buttons. I think the inductive charging coils on the Verizon version are blocking the NFC antenna.
Thanks, I'll try that again tonight before sending the tags back.
So apparently what I bought was :
MIFARE 1K
and not the NTAG203s...
going to try and do some research.. I have never looked into NFC tags before. Never been on my radar except the concept. Wonder if they are not compatible..
dlang123 said:
So apparently what I bought was :
MIFARE 1K
and not the NTAG203s...
going to try and do some research.. I have never looked into NFC tags before. Never been on my radar except the concept. Wonder if they are not compatible..
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I vaguely remember when the Nexus 4 came out there were discussions about MIFARE and compatibility. I really don't knwo the details, but here's an article about it. http://www.andytags.com/nfc-tags-compatibility-issues.html#.UkNmQ8afjA0
Not sure where this phone sits in this issue.
Yeah, I think that they are not supported.
Supposedly the 4ks work on all phones, I Ordered some more.. will try them when they get here. But definitely these come up as unsupported.. what a bummer.
I also (blindly) purchased some MIFARE tags from amazon only to find out that they do not work. I get the error in NFC Task Launcher, "Could not write to this tag. It will still work, but you may see the chooser when tapping it." I did some research and found that these types of tags will work for simple phone automation tasks however, the task that I setup was a complex URL which will not work. Will be ordering some NTAG203 tags and will report back. Quick question, are the samsung tectiles NTAG203?
mjfan82 said:
I also (blindly) purchased some MIFARE tags from amazon only to find out that they do not work. I get the error in NFC Task Launcher, "Could not write to this tag. It will still work, but you may see the chooser when tapping it." I did some research and found that these types of tags will work for simple phone automation tasks however, the task that I setup was a complex URL which will not work. Will be ordering some NTAG203 tags and will report back. Quick question, are the samsung tectiles NTAG203?
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I stayed up way to late last night learning about NFC tags.. so NXP use to make all NFC hardware for phones, and they came out with the MiFare 1ks.. but they were proprietary.
Then when BroadCom made some NFC hardware for phones, they just used what the NFC specs were, which were the NTAG203s (they don't have a lot of memory, 130bytes or so) Topaz 512, and I read that the MiFare 4ks are also compatible.
Samsung's site identifies Tectiles as MiFare 1k. TecTiles 2 I think are, but I can not really find them or any info on them.
My 4ks were expensive, but I will let you know soon if they work.
Just to follow up:
Wanted to confirm that the NTAG203 tags are working with the G2 :victory:: I would post the link but I'm not allowed. lol
Cool. Now if we can find some Topaz and then I'll let you know next week about the Mifare 4k's.
You can get both NTAG203 and Topaz 512 at AndyTags - www.andytags.com
Hello,
As It's difficult to search for "ANT+" in the forums, sorry if this issue has already been addressed
And now some extra keywords to ease the search: ant, ant+, antplus, ant_plus, antwireless, ant_wireless
This is a thread to summarized all the facts about ANT+ and the Nexus 5 I have found so far:
HARDWARE: BCM4339. The Nexus 5 has this chip which provides WiFi, BT and presumably ANT+. It's also present in the Galaxy Note 3 which reportedly has ANT+ capabilities.
DRIVER: The required driver source can be found here: https://github.com/ant-wireless . Once compiled it generates a module (libantradio.so) and two apk (AntHalService.apk, ANTRadioService.apk).
SOFTWARE: There are several apps with ANT+ enabled, but for testing purposes the ANT+ demo can be used.
To be able to test ANT+ I have the Nexus 5 and ANT+ capable hardware (HRM, cadence sensor, etc), the ANT+ Demo in google play but I'm missing the driver.
I know I need a kernel with module loading enabled (for example this modified stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2514765) but I don't know howto to compile the ANT+ module.
Can someone generate the driver as per the instructions in https://github.com/ant-wireless/ANT_in_Android or explain me how to do it?
I'm on a linux host, I have a rather limited experience in compiling stuff but I'm not afraid of learning something in the process!
Thanks!!
very interested in the results. thank you for your work on this
interested
Subscribed.
I am also interested in this as I have my phone and Garmin Forerunner watch with me when I run so if I can just carry my phone and get the same data that would be awesome!
If no one else takes this on, I'll see about looking into it later. Keep in mind though that I'm not a developer of any sort but am comfortable with compiling kernels. I have an ANT+ HRM from my Motoactv that I'd like to use.
Ok,
So far I haven't able to compile stock kernel. I'm trying with NDK GCC 4.7 without success: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47577117
But I've investigated in other fields. I've downloaded S4 and Note3 ROMS with ANT+ support to have a look at the files.
S4 CRASH_ROM_V11: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2322619
Note3 BoBCaTROM_V2.0: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2498687
This is want I've found so far:
There are three system apps: AntHalService.apk, ANTRadioService.apk and ANTPlusPlugins.apk. These two latter can be found in google play. The first app is the one that "informs" the system that the device is ANT+ capable (as stated in the ant_wireless git). I've tried to install this apk manually but fails due to certificates (samsung).
S4, Note3 and Nexus5 have all different revisions for the bcm433x firmware but they all have an "ANTLockUsed" string in it (hexdump). Is it related to ANT+ or the ANTenna? Incidentally, the wisol firmware revision doesn't have this string.
The rest of the files related to ANT+ are for the com.dsi.ant.antradio_library (etc/permissions and framework files).
I can't find any ANT+ related module (ant*.so, libant*.so). Thus, is it already compiled in the kernel or not needed at all?
I've uploaded all these files in case anyone wants to have at look them.
Subscribed. ANT+ support would be awesome for all the athletes out there.
I'm a big supporter of ANT+. I wish I knew more about Android to help on this side. I have a blog that documents a lot of hacking projects related to ANT+.
If the Nexus 5 could access ANT+ it could be an amazing cycle computer potentially.
I work a bit with a SOC from Nordic. The way it works for BLE is that it compiles and downloads a soft protocol. I'm wondering if this is how the Boardcom chip works too. My reasoning is in the github:
Additionally, in Android 4.2, the Bluetooth stack switched to Bluedroid (from BlueZ) and this existing ANT implementation for chips using Vendor Specific Bluetooth HCI messaging for ANT packets (wl12xx and bcm433x) is currently not compatible, until somebody is able to do the work for the different bluetooth stacks. The chip vendors may provide build support for their own products if you inquire with them.
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So it sounds like, because ANT+ and BLE are so similar, they upload a new stack to the chip which enables it. However, this stack is not in the wild.
kwakeham said:
So it sounds like, because ANT+ and BLE are so similar, they upload a new stack to the chip which enables it. However, this stack is not in the wild.
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That makes sense as I wasn't able to find any more files related to ANT+ (directly not by looking into the source code).
However, I'm very stubborn and I want ANT+ in the nexus :silly:
First of all: It still doesn't work, but so far I've learnt a few things.
First I copied the Note3 files (attached) related to ANT+ (root needed, remember to chmod 644):
/system/app/AntHalService.apk (modified to strip samsung certificates)
/system/etc/permissions/com.dsi.ant.antradio_library.xml
/system/framework/com.dsi.ant.antradio_library.jar
/system/vendor/firmware/bcm4335_A0.hcd (renamed to bcm4335c0.hcd to max nexus5 firmware name. Backup old one first!!)
Upon reboot I also installed from google play the rest of ANT+ app required.
ANT radio service: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.service.socket
ANT+ Plugins: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus
ANT+ Demo: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.antplusdemo
When using the ANT+ Demo App it doesn't warn about anything missing (good!!) but when searching for the HRM I have it just fails (bad!!). It fails with either firmware (nexus or note). In any case dmesg doesn't so any info related to ANT+.
To summarize:
The previous files are needed so that androids "knows" ANT+ hardware is present, but
Something else needs to be modified. As stated by kwakeham probably the bluetooth stack.
I have no android or coding skills (or any skills at all ), but with this information I hope someone can have a look at the modified bluetooth stack of either S4 or Note3 to port those changes to Nexus5 :fingers-crossed:
I'm very confident because XDA is a great place with lots of wonderful people, fully capable of implementing ANT+ in the Nexus5.
They've done much harder things!!
Is it true that Bluetooth 4.0 can only connect to one device at a time? So, if we wanted to monitor heart rate on the phone and listen to music via bluetooth headphones, this would not be possible unless we used an ANT+ heart rate monitor, correct?
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Is it true that Bluetooth 4.0 can only connect to one device at a time? So, if we wanted to monitor heart rate on the phone and listen to music via bluetooth headphones, this would not be possible unless we used an ANT+ heart rate monitor, correct?
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Close but not quite.
A BT4 HR strap will only allow one device to connect to it at a time but the phone can connect to multiple BT devices at the same time. ANT+ lets an infinite number devices to connect to a single HR strap, so like your phone stashed in your pocket and a running watch on your arm. ANT+ would also allow you to read data from hundreds of sensors, though that would be more useful for a trainer at a spin class or something lol.
Exactly, and to verfy that I just connected two Bluetooth 4.0 devices with my Nexus 5. My Pebble and the fitbit Flex from my girlfriend, both worked fine simultaneously.
Btw, windows has a limit of 7 connected Bluetooth devices at a time, but that's not caused by the Bluetooth specification.
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Hello,
Still no success.
I've been looking into the source code of both S4 and Note3 opensource kernels for android version 4.3, but due to lack of coding skills I just have no idea of what to search.
The source code of bluetooth stack from these kernels and the one for nexus5 seem completely different thus it's hard to draw any conclusions. The only thing clear is that running a "grep" search into the code for "ant+", "antplus", "ant_wireless" (or similar) doesn't show any results.
It seems someone is working on having ant+ on the google editon S4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542922
Let's hope his work can be reused for the nexus5.
PS. I don't have enough posts yet to ping him back to this thread but I will try to use the files he has attached.
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It seems someone is working on having ant+ on the google editon S4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2542922
Let's hope his work can be reused for the nexus5.
PS. I don't have enough posts yet to ping him back to this thread but I will try to use the files he has attached.
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That's me. I've found you looking for some info to help me out.
The main issue I'm facing is the AntHalService.apk from the vendors(Samsung,Sony) is the 3.0.0 and there were 2 updates already.
I compiled the 3.1.1 but I can't run it as a system app.
Regarding the Nexus 5, I guess that since S4 got ANT+ activated on 4.3, something in the updated radio probably activated it, and as you mentioned, no .so modules on the system.
Maybe analyzing the ANTHal code deeply might bring up some light on this.
Btw, you're Brazilian or Portuguese or Spanish? (due to your nickname)
If so, we can add each other on G+ and progress on talks to see if we can bring some light to the athlete droiders out there...
Worst case scenario you can use an USB Ant+ Stick with an OTG cable. (what I am going to do while I research for this.... )
Oh, btw, Galaxy S3 also had the hardware but Samsung never activated it...
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AdrienC said:
That's me. I've found you looking for some info to help me out.
The main issue I'm facing is the AntHalService.apk from the vendors(Samsung,Sony) is the 3.0.0 and there were 2 updates already.
I compiled the 3.1.1 but I can't run it as a system app.
Regarding the Nexus 5, I guess that since S4 got ANT+ activated on 4.3, something in the updated radio probably activated it, and as you mentioned, no .so modules on the system.
Maybe analyzing the ANTHal code deeply might bring up some light on this.
Btw, you're Brazilian or Portuguese or Spanish? (due to your nickname)
If so, we can add each other on G+ and progress on talks to see if we can bring some light to the athlete droiders out there...
Worst case scenario you can use an USB Ant+ Stick with an OTG cable. (what I am going to do while I research for this.... )
Oh, btw, Galaxy S3 also had the hardware but Samsung never activated it...
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i have a Galaxy S4 but i want to change it for Nexus 5
i hope it works
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HI to all
I'm interesting on this too and I'm waiting how advance this to buy an nexus 5
You will try to ask on thisisant forum. there are developers from ant+ and offer some news about phones sometimes.
Waiting news, best regards to all.
Guys, I've got a message from @fcastillousfq and I think it might be of your interest my response:
fcastillousfq said:
Hey, I saw the post about getting a USB accessory for the Nexus 5 to be able to use ANT+ as a last resource, I've been searching online and can't find any for Android, only for iPhone. The only one I've found was huge and it's not for sale yet.
Could you provide me a link or the name of the accessory so I could buy it?
Thanks!
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Sure, it the Suunto Movestick Mini + OTG Cable
Then you have to install:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.usbservice
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.service.socket
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.antplusdemo (for testing)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.antplus.grapher.heartrate (for testing)
And you're set. It's pretty easy!!
ps: forget to mention that you can use regular size ant+ usb sticks, as the one from Garmin, but I preferred this one as it's smaller.
With a bit of DIY you can make something smaller.
Thanks for the info! I'm going to look into it and probably buy it.
I'm also considering the Viiiiva, which acts as a bridge between all my Ant+ devices and Bluetooth 4. The bad thing is that there's no android app yet, in the mean time, the USB one will suffice.
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AdrienC said:
That's me. I've found you looking for some info to help me out.
The main issue I'm facing is the AntHalService.apk from the vendors(Samsung,Sony) is the 3.0.0 and there were 2 updates already.
I compiled the 3.1.1 but I can't run it as a system app.
Regarding the Nexus 5, I guess that since S4 got ANT+ activated on 4.3, something in the updated radio probably activated it, and as you mentioned, no .so modules on the system.
Maybe analyzing the ANTHal code deeply might bring up some light on this.
Btw, you're Brazilian or Portuguese or Spanish? (due to your nickname)
If so, we can add each other on G+ and progress on talks to see if we can bring some light to the athlete droiders out there...
Worst case scenario you can use an USB Ant+ Stick with an OTG cable. (what I am going to do while I research for this.... )
Oh, btw, Galaxy S3 also had the hardware but Samsung never activated it...
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Sorry for the delay.
Yes! spanish :good:
Unfortunately I don't use G+ (or facebook or in fact any other so-called social network). I will try to be active here so we can achieve the desired ANT+ support.
Tomorrow I will have a look at the ANT+ files you compiled (posted in the other thread) and I will compare the results with the ones provided by samsung (which I somehow managed to installed but don't really know if are working or not). I will add a post with the steps I followed to make it work.
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Guys, I've got a message from @fcastillousfq and I think it might be of your interest my response:
Sure, it the Suunto Movestick Mini + OTG Cable
Then you have to install:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.usbservice
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.service.socket
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.plugins.antplus
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.antplusdemo (for testing)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dsi.ant.antplus.grapher.heartrate (for testing)
And you're set. It's pretty easy!!
ps: forget to mention that you can use regular size ant+ usb sticks, as the one from Garmin, but I preferred this one as it's smaller.
With a bit of DIY you can make something smaller.
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I also have the LARGE garmin usb stick. I successfully used it with the Razr (910xt), but if only we could make use of the internal ANT+ hardware it would be soooo convinient
usu4rio
PS. As a "last resort" I'm planning to contact Carlo Pescio, the creator of Sportablet (http://www.sportablet.com). If I were able to use the internal ANT+, I would definitively buy his software (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.carlopescio.uploader). I hope this doesn't sound as extortion ... too much :angel: