So with or without beats audio, if I'm not using the Google play music app then the sound quality is lowered and no manner of tinkering or equalizer fixes it. I'd like to use poweramp but the speaker quality and headphone quality sounds a lot worse.
PowerAMP has a fully loaded equalizer inside. Disable beats and go play with that to find a sound you like.
I want to use Poweramp, but the speaker and audio out quality is much lower than with google play music. Beats audio can be enabled or disabled for both of them, no matter the equalizer settings GooglePlayMusic always sounds better one my htc one. Can I do anything to get around this? It says the same songs are being played with the same quality and latency but the difference that's heard is obvious.
Hello.
I was looking for the best audio experience for this phone. I installed v4a and tweaked a bit, but whenever I apply a convolver it introduces a small lag in audio output. I can clearly see the lag while I reproduce a video on YouTube, the voice and the video are not synced.
So which setting do you use? Are there any lag free convolver? I tried Dolby pro logic II, srs 2.1, dolby surround and pro logic.
The other setting I use are viper bass, viper clarity and spectrum extension.
Does xiaomi mi 8 have hi res audio support or bult in dac or somethingelse?
JonathanFreeze said:
Does xiaomi mi 8 have hi res audio support or bult in dac or somethingelse?
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Yep, all snapdragon devices do. You have to bypass the main audio codecs/OS hand-offs. Programs like PowerAmp is the best for this, and hits the hardware chip directly bypassing the MIUI system to give you 24Bit audio at 192khz. Phenomenal sound. If you also bump the audio amp levels in the OS mixer file, you can get super loud audio in combination. The combo is what i've run on every phone since the HD audio was built-in to the Snapdragon.
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Yep, all snapdragon devices do. You have to bypass the main audio codecs/OS hand-offs. Programs like PowerAmp is the best for this, and hits the hardware chip directly bypassing the MIUI system to give you 24Bit audio at 192khz. Phenomenal sound. If you also bump the audio amp levels in the OS mixer file, you can get super loud audio in combination. The combo is what i've run on every phone since the HD audio was built-in to the Snapdragon.
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Do you need to root your phone to achieve this ?
Not for hires audio using Poweramp.
To make louder audio output with mixer file tweaks yes.
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I have been studying Android audio configuration files and experimenting with HD players for some time and I can say the Mi 8 sound incredibly well with good headphones using the USB-c adaptor included.
The problem with Android Audio is that, in general, Android Mixer will upsample everything to 48 KHz and apply Qualcomm, Android and Miui effects, such as companding, Dinamic Compresssion, and also echo cancellation to voice signal. This is not bad in general, since phone speakers are not of good quality and there is benefit to dynamics and also voice telephony is better with echo and gain which are automatic. But there are many other sound libraries such as dirac, virtualizers that are loaded automatically and used by apps.
The problem is that generic apps like Spotify, Chrome, our Youtube will upsample 44.1 Khz videos and music to 48KHz with fast resamplers, and it shows in both the speaker and headphones. Specific Hi-Res players like PowerAmp or Neutron take advantage of some profiles in android audio configuration files to present audio directly to the mixer without resampling and using high-bitrate. In reality, it is not a special codec or driver, they just use some profiles that are in most recent android phones. I discovered this a while ago and can attest that the Mi 8 sounds fantastic with both PowerAmp and Neutron, when configured correctly. I like Neutron best for better control and customization. It has a toggle for automatic samplerate adjustment and you can check that the output is as source, and use 64-bit codecs with up to 32-bit processing. For example, a same mp3 sounds much better in Neutron/PowerAmp than played in Whatsapp or a generic audio player. Neutron also has a manual hardware preamp gain apart from master volume that is really useful to contain clipping and use the hardware full amplification. Custom kernels have headphone preamps too to optimise power.
I recommend Ainur Narsil mod, it is a twrp/magisk module that tweaks some build.prop audio settings, and it modifies android audio configuration files such as audio_policy.conf and audio_effects.conf to remove these effects and add more samplerates to generic profiles on android. I have taken the time to study these files myself and have discovered that Miui default config does not take full advantage of our Mi 8 Qualcomm Snapdragon audio chipset. Out Mi 8 is capable of dual-sampling playback, that is, it is compatible with 44.1Khz and 48Khz (and multiples) playback so we don't need Android to upsample everything to 48Khz as a generic phone does. Of course, the mixer will upsample to 48 Khz when other sounds kick in (like notifications), but when you use PowerAmp/Neutron with HD output, you can get as close as bitperfect playback, since I think this profiles are direct-pcm and don't get generic effects here. (android audio configuration files such as devices and mixers are complex but a wonder to understand
I have tested Narsil, and while I don't think it improves when listening to Neutron/PowerAmp, it should help with the speaker and apps since it removes a bunch of android and miui effects. I have tweaked a bit further these audio configuration files after Narsil yesterday, and I am happy that it works the way I want. I have checked in terminal audio mixer info that it plays 44.1Khz without upsampling in a generic player. Narsil does just that also too.
Notice that is not convenient to upsample 44.1 Khz content to 192KHz, it is best to play at native bitrate. Bitsample you can set to 24 or 32-bit playback, if your hardware supports it. Mi 8 supports 32-bit. But it will sound as good in 16-bit if the source file is 16-bit, altough mp3s can benefit in 24-bit.
najabi said:
I have been studying Android audio configuration files and experimenting with HD players for some time and I can say the Mi 8 sound incredibly well with good headphones using the USB-c adaptor included.
The problem with Android Audio is that, in general, Android Mixer will upsample everything to 48 KHz and apply Qualcomm, Android and Miui effects, such as companding, Dinamic Compresssion, and also echo cancellation to voice signal. This is not bad in general, since phone speakers are not of good quality and there is benefit to dynamics and also voice telephony is better with echo and gain which are automatic. But there are many other sound libraries such as dirac, virtualizers that are loaded automatically and used by apps.
The problem is that generic apps like Spotify, Chrome, our Youtube will upsample 44.1 Khz videos and music to 48KHz with fast resamplers, and it shows in both the speaker and headphones. Specific Hi-Res players like PowerAmp or Neutron take advantage of some profiles in android audio configuration files to present audio directly to the mixer without resampling and using high-bitrate. In reality, it is not a special codec or driver, they just use some profiles that are in most recent android phones. I discovered this a while ago and can attest that the Mi 8 sounds fantastic with both PowerAmp and Neutron, when configured correctly. I like Neutron best for better control and customization. It has a toggle for automatic samplerate adjustment and you can check that the output is as source, and use 64-bit codecs with up to 32-bit processing. For example, a same mp3 sounds much better in Neutron/PowerAmp than played in Whatsapp or a generic audio player. Neutron also has a manual hardware preamp gain apart from master volume that is really useful to contain clipping and use the hardware full amplification. Custom kernels have headphone preamps too to optimise power.
I recommend Ainur Narsil mod, it is a twrp/magisk module that tweaks some build.prop audio settings, and it modifies android audio configuration files such as audio_policy.conf and audio_effects.conf to remove these effects and add more bitsamples to generic profiles on android. I have taken the time to study these files myself and have discovered that Miui default config does not take full advantage of our Mi 8 Qualcomm Snapdragon audio chipset. Out Mi 8 is capable of dual-sampling playback, that is, it is compatible with 44.1Khz and 48Khz (and multiples) playback so we don't need Android to upsample everything to 48Khz as a generic phone does. Of course, the mixer will upsample to 48 Khz when other sounds kick in (like notifications), but when you use PowerAmp/Neutron with HD output, you can get as close as bitperfect playback, since I think this profiles are direct-pcm and don't get generic effects here. (android audio configuration files such as devices and mixers are complex but a wonder to understand
I have tested Narsil, and while I don't think it improves when listening to Neutron/PowerAmp, it should help with the speaker and apps since it removes a bunch of android and miui effects. I have tweaked a bit further these audio configuration files after Narsil yesterday, and I am happy that it works the way I want. I have checked in terminal audio mixer info that it plays 44.1Khz without upsampling in a generic player. Narsil does just that also too.
Notice that is not convenient to upsample 44.1 Khz content to 192KHz, it is best to play at native bitrate. Bitsample you can set to 24 or 32-bit playback, if your hardware supports it. Mi 8 supports 32-bit. But it will sound as good in 16-bit if the source file is 16-bit, altough mp3s can benefit in 24-bit.
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I completely agree, PowerAmp is absolutely worth much more than its very small cost which I believe is $3.99 or maybe $ 4.99 It's been a long since I bought it, maybe around 5 years ago and of course I still get free updates. As you know it has every feature that you could want including screensaver animation, ID3 tag editing, and of course the sound quality is untouchable, for listening to music alone, it's perfect.
@JonathanFreeze,
Poweramp uses Dynamic EQ compression combined with the option over using Replaygain which equalises the volume across all tracks while the dynamic compression automatically adjust the sound loudness across the entire EQ spectrum, bringing out the sounds that are too quiet and taming the sounds that are too loud...a perfect balance which maximises loudness without hurting the quality by over compressing and squashing the dynamics.
In addition, it uses convolution reverb, and as @najabi mentioned you can choose to up sample based on what you are connecting to. Whether it's Bluetooth, USB C connected headphones, the built in speaker or a USB audio interface. Personally, I don't feel that it has any rivals and I also like to couple its use with Neutron when listening to music and Neutron is beneficial across the board for all of your audio uses. Our combined comments have only mentioned a few features that the Poweramp program offers. In fact, there are so many features that I could probably stretch this comment out to 2000 words or more talking about them.
Check it, you get to try it before buying! Btw, I just checked the price its $3.99 and it sounds great on the Mi8 : https://powerampapp.com/
Which by the way, although the Mi8 has a single speaker for external audio, the sound quality is very good : Here is an article with an in depth review of the sound quality : https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_8-review-1784p3.php
TLDR: Yes, the Mi8 has great sound, and we like it even better with Poweramp and Neutron.
Regarding Narsil,
@najabi I haven't tried it so I will definitely check it. Thank you very much for your vivid description.
Can someone confirm that it can stream audio using the LDAC codec please. I have read conflicting information on different sites. Thanks
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LDAC and tidal masters, sounding amazing. Well happy
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I bought Pixel 7 one month ago, I found in settings graphic sound equalizer and adjusted bass very high. A few days later I turn on music from my phone in my car and bass was too high. I tried to change this but I cannot find this graphic sound equalizer. This was in settings, not installed app. Anybody knows where it is?
You can only access the equalizer through a music app.