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I've grown increasingly disappointed in the camera on this phone. 13mp photos are compressed, grainy, and look just awful up close at full zoom. Are there any workarounds to improve image quality?
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There's no rocket science here.
It's the same with every Xperia flagship, from X10 till Z.
It's the result of terrible post-processing handled by default Xperia camera software, which tries to artificially remove noise and then terribly compress image, to achieve as lower file size as it could. Which again, is terribly wrong, and only Sony developers know why is this like this.
In a world of huge internal storages, and generally cheap 32+GB microSD cards, they are trying to compress images to the lower limits.
On my last phone, Xperia Arc S, I partially solved this by using CameraZOOM FX app, that doesn't compress images that badly, and it produced overall better images than default Camera app, and larger in size also. It was especially noticable with macro high detailed shots, like text or similar.
But, on Xperia T, for some reason CameraZOOM is not providing 16:9 aspect ratio option, so you're stuck with standard 4:3 ratio images, which is deal-breaker for me to be honest. So unfortunately I'm stuck with default camera app till CameraZOOM devs fix this issue, or till some better camera app appears.
Attached are 3 pictures from 3 different sources. Camera zoom, Android 4.3 camera, and stock Sony. Can anyone tell the difference?
Camera zoom
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Stock. Sorry it won't let me upload to one post from my phone
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4.3 camera
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First, images you uploaded are downsampled to 1032x774 resolution, therefore unusable for any kind of comparison.
Second, if you haven't done that already, set image quality in Camera ZOOM to 100%.
Third, find some object with clean and defined lines/shapes (ever saw gsm arena photo comparison sample?), as only that way you can see difference if there is any.
And then upload those photos to imageshack in FULL resolution, and then share them here, and ask for opinion.
And even if you prove to be right (which I doubt you'll be), I never said that Camera ZOOM will surely provide better results on Xperia T too. I know it made a difference back on Xperia Arc S, and in some situations quite a huge difference.
Maybe one more thing to add is, I'm working with graphics on daily basis, so I know what I'm talking about.
Thanks for the information. I obviously don't know what I'm doing and didn't know it sampled down when attaching. I'll clean this thread up and do some more comparison on my own before posting given your helpful advice. Thanks again!
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i see no difference in that three pics, upload photobucket full size maybe
my observations:
when i was on CM in past, i used camerazoom and procapture, both are nice. negative for me was the time it need for procapture to shoot+save a pic, a bit too long. but many options, also 16:9. i not installed camerazoomfx since it cannot 16:9 on sony stock here
iam quite satisfied with sony stock camera (no cybershot mod). i play around with manual settings, so i make quite good shots for daily use.
only for panorama i bought me propanorama, its simply a sexy panorama app:silly:
Ok, I did a quick comparison this morning, and unfortunately with undesired result.
Maybe the object of shooting wasn't ideal because of lack of colors, but I think it could give us general idea about comparison of stock Camera and Camera ZOOM.
So, I took a shot of tech magazine, from same angle and same distance, as much as I could, and there's no big difference to be honest.
There's no difference in file sizes, and in quality of pictures too. I remember though, that back on Xperia Arc S, Camera ZOOM provided bigger files for about 20-30%.
So here are the full resolution shots:
Camera ZOOM:
http://imageshack.us/a/img513/9871/ky.jpg
Stock Camera:
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/2116/w1lx.jpg
And this is a 100% zoom cut-out I did in Photoshop:
As you can see, there's no big difference, if any at all. If you try hard, you can see some small difference in edge sharpness, on big letters "S" and "U", but nothing spectacular. Also, on upper part of picture, you can see that letter "H" is a little bih cleaner and sharper on Camera ZOOM, but this could be due to un-ideally aligned focus on both photos, as they are not taken from 100% ideally the same angles/position.
mr_torture said:
There's no rocket science here.
It's the same with every Xperia flagship, from X10 till Z.
It's the result of terrible post-processing handled by default Xperia camera software, which tries to artificially remove noise and then terribly compress image, to achieve as lower file size as it could. Which again, is terribly wrong, and only Sony developers know why is this like this.
In a world of huge internal storages, and generally cheap 32+GB microSD cards, they are trying to compress images to the lower limits.
On my last phone, Xperia Arc S, I partially solved this by using CameraZOOM FX app, that doesn't compress images that badly, and it produced overall better images than default Camera app, and larger in size also. It was especially noticable with macro high detailed shots, like text or similar.
But, on Xperia T, for some reason CameraZOOM is not providing 16:9 aspect ratio option, so you're stuck with standard 4:3 ratio images, which is deal-breaker for me to be honest. So unfortunately I'm stuck with default camera app till CameraZOOM devs fix this issue, or till some better camera app appears.
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SirFork said:
I've grown increasingly disappointed in the camera on this phone. 13mp photos are compressed, grainy, and look just awful up close at full zoom. Are there any workarounds to improve image quality?
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For me xperia t camera is awesome in all conditions... way better then xperia sp....its superior auto mode works fine although it compressed pictures but its ok the end result is fine but i had problem in video recording because auto focussing is not good in video so i fixed it by a help of a great camera app called LG camera.....
here is the complete thread of mine if u wana know more and know all problem is solved
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45066222#post45066222 :good:
Well, i found this information VERY interesting:
http://www.androidauthority.com/new-android-camera-api-317878/
Google is working on a new camera API that will bring new features and possibly improved image quality to Android devices, including the Nexus line.
Many reviewers have panned the camera experience on the Nexus 5 as inconsistent and mediocre, with some going as far as to call the product unfinished. Google acknowledged the problems and said that a software update could alleviate some of them. Indeed, code discovered in the publicly available Android source code suggests that a new Camera API is in the works that could improve image quality and give access to new features.
Android developer Josh Brown first spotted the code, and Ron Amadeo of Ars Technica broke the news. According to the dates on the commits in the code repository, the API was in the works for about 10 months, but Google didn’t finish it in time for the KitKat release, which shipped with the old API.
Here’s a summary of what may be coming to the Android camera experience once the new API is implemented:
Support for Camera RAW format – RAW is a format that preserves most of the information captured by the camera sensor, allowing for more in-depth editing, either on the device (e.g. with Snapseed) or on a PC with software like Photoshop. JPEG and other similar formats, in contrast, are compressed for smaller size, and a lot of the original info is lost in the process.
Face detection – the API will allow camera apps to detect the faces of people in the frame, and assign each face an ID for manipulation purposes. This is a feature that many Android manufacturers have implemented on their own, but the new API will make it available in stock Android.
Burst mode – another feature present on popular devices from Samsung, HTC, and others is burst mode – keeping the shutter button pressed will take a series of shots in quick succession. This feature will go very well with the new photo enhancement capabilities of Google Plus.
Support for removable cameras – possibly something similar to Sony’s QX10 and QX100 Wi-Fi cameras.
General “improved capabilities” and “fine grain control” that may (we hope) bring improvements to image quality.
It seems that the new Camera API was in an advanced stage of development when Google decided to cut it out of KitKat. A last moment change of plans could explain why the Nexus 5’s camera feels a bit unfinished. When the new API lands, it will be backwards compatible, but for now we can only guess when we will see the update.
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AS fas as I know, to support RAW mode not only the app, but also the camera driver should support RAW mode... Do you think possible to have RAW in our Nexus? It would be awesome!
Yes RAW would be a fantastic feature, but I'll be happy just to see a focus enhancement and a better interface, more user friendly.
I don't care about raw on phone, but this seems to confirm that a software solution may be coming.
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I guess we have to wait for the nexus 7 launch..... I highly doubt a completely revamped camera is coming out any time soon especially after the kit Kat launch.
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Isn't raw a huge file size? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Isn't raw a huge file size? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yeah it is. I highly doubt I would go and edit raw files with paint shop pro coming from my N5.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900&page=68
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I could be mistaken but I think Google finally separated the Gallery from the Camera apk in Kit-Kat. This might imply Google is planning on updating the camera app in the Play Store. I really hope they do something soon because the camera app is pretty terrible.
I'll start giving a rat's ass about RAW once they fix the shutter lag...
I agree with most of you. I just want shutter and focus lag out of the way, then we can talk save formats. :good:
i can see it now
"why are all my photos so full of noise when i shoot in raw?"
Bad, bad idea on a phone.
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I'll start giving a rat's ass about RAW once they fix the shutter lag...
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If you let the phone get an exposure and focus lock you will see the photo is taken instantly, there is no shutter lag.
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If you let the phone get an exposure and focus lock you will see the photo is taken instantly, there is no shutter lag.
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True - but for the end user, the result is the same - miss the shot while the phone gets the exposure lock and focus lock, followed by instant shutter.
In bright daylight, it should not take that long to get exposure/focus lock/etc. Camera should be able to determine the subject, focus on it, lock exposure right after the user starts the camera app and points at the subject, and grab the picture as soon as the user clicks the shutter button.
Almost all cameras on other smartphones can do this, so no reason why N5 can't do this
Its beyond idiotic to be adding features to a camera app that sucks at the simple task of taking a photo. Adding raw support should come WAY after the camera app can focus quickly, correctly expose an image and has a usable simple interface. After that is mastered, then simple basic features should be added like burst mode and slo mo video. Only then should RAW support be even thought about. What good is RAW support when the camera can't correctly focus and expose images and the interface is wonky and annoying to use and the preview image is an interpolated mess?
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Excellent for G2, but what for N5? Are you working on it? (both 100% JPG Quality and 60fps woul be extellent!)
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Excellent for G2, but what for N5? Are you working on it? (both 100% JPG Quality and 60fps woul be extellent!)
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100% jpg is billions milles away from raw floating point format like *.hdr, *. exr...
And for those that claim that raw is useless, then they must simply don't catch what's raw offers.
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100% jpg is billions milles away from raw floating point format like *.hdr, *. exr...
And for those that claim that raw is useless, then they must simply don't catch what's raw offers.
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I totally agree
Jishnu Sur™ said:
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thanks for your work.. but please add an advice, for flashaholic like me, to read thread title.. cause flashing a G2 camera app does bootloop on a N5...
how noob I feel now...
I for one am extremely happy about the idea of RAW shooting. Would love to see it on the Nexus 5.
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100% jpg is billions milles away from raw floating point format like *.hdr, *. exr...
And for those that claim that raw is useless, then they must simply don't catch what's raw offers.
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Considering that XDA is about 90% noobs asking stupid questions, RAW wont be a big deal to most people out there
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...XDA is about 90% noobs asking stupid questions...
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Hi everyone,
It's one week I own the z3c and I was asking to myself what camera app would better performs with the 20,7mpx sensor.
I quite like the default one but I also like to have the full controll of the settings like when I'm using my dslr.
I know tha the manual mode is pretty cool but I'm sure as well that outiside there in the google play store there is a good app wich perform better
Any of you tried these apps?
PS: sorry for mistakes, I'm still learnig english.
I am also looking for a similar app, with at-least white-balance and exposure settings. Please let me know if anyone found a better application
I like the idea of being able to adjust the white balance and exposure by sliding your finger up and down or sideways on the screen without having to go into the menu. If there's a camera app that does that, I'd be very interested.
I am getting great results frm Camera JB+. It takes the interface to a simplified AOSP-vanilla look. No more overcomplicated interface. Quality-wise I get overall better performing pictures as the manual mode in 20MP. Also there is support for 20MP HDR, even with flash.
I'm very well suprised by this simple app. Another plus, is that it will come with a AOSP-gallery, wich I do very much prefer to the stock gallery.
If you deactivate the stock camera, this app will pop-up when you press the dedicated camera-button.
Only downside I have experienced, is no 4K video (but who actually needs this) and lacking a resolution option 16:9 15MP.
SnapHDR is the best for me when using custom roms
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Currently using snapcamera hdr, Nothing to complain!
Interestint topic.
I bought Camera ZOOM some time ago, though not used it still on the Z3C. The default app certainly lacks manual setting sof exposer/time. Also, where is the ISO setting?? Am I stupid or why can I not seem to find it?? HDR options are also not easily accesible, nor is white balance. So interesting to hear what people use sucessfully, trying the ones mentioned so far now.
I've got some impressive results with Pro Capture and Pro HDR apps. Both are paid, I got them in a discount or so, some time ago.
Especially the Pro Capture has some fine tweaks, that increase the usability overall. There is a demo(free) version AFAIK for anyone who wants to try it.
Bought ProHDR because I loved it on iPhone.
I find the google camera app really good, you can select 15mp, 20mp and also provides manual exposure control on the screen. The panorama and photosphere are great.
On my HTC one X i used Camera FV-5. Tbh, it was in my experience the best camera app around, though their maybe others too. It doesn't do none of the filtering rubbish, but purely easy to access manual controls. You can even save as lossless png's and then do your own processing in your chosen software.
Bracketed frames, HDR/timelapse, long exposure and lots more.
Due to some other technical reasons, I haven't tried it on my z3c, but I suggest you really look into it. Unfortunately they don't do a demo.
I'm a wedding photographer so this was ideal for me. I may investigate for something better (if there is), but I know I will be using this again, soon.
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On my HTC one X i used Camera FV-5. Tbh, it was in my experience the best camera app around, though their maybe others too. It doesn't do none of the filtering rubbish, but purely easy to access manual controls. You can even save as lossless png's and then do your own processing in your chosen software.
Bracketed frames, HDR/timelapse, long exposure and lots more.
Due to some other technical reasons, I haven't tried it on my z3c, but I suggest you really look into it. Unfortunately they don't do a demo.
I'm a wedding photographer so this was ideal for me. I may investigate for something better (if there is), but I know I will be using this again, soon.
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It looks a nice app!!! I'll give it a try a tell you about how the snaps come out
I use the stock camera app.
I tried FV-5 and Pro Capture on my Nexus 4 but they were kinda glitchy. Might try them again on the Z3c. At the moment I'm using Open Camera.
I hope Sony offers RAW file support with the Lollipop update, which would make everything awesome and let us escape the mushy Sony jpeg processing, but I'm not holding my breath.
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It looks a nice app!!! I'll give it a try a tell you about how the snaps come out
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That's brilliant. I just checked, I have an older version..so will update when I install it on the xperia. It would be good to see what raw data the app can get from the sony imaging chip.
Even though its said that Android L will also have RAW capabilities. Lets see.
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pipspeak said:
I tried FV-5 and Pro Capture on my Nexus 4 but they were kinda glitchy. Might try them again on the Z3c. At the moment I'm using Open Camera.
I hope Sony offers RAW file support with the Lollipop update, which would make everything awesome and let us escape the mushy Sony jpeg processing, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I had the same problem initially on my HTC Once X, but they resolved it.
I would assume the Lollipop raw feature would be available to all phones running L, though I'm not a developer so just speculating.
wow it's looks like my nikon dslr!!! I like the idea to change all the setting as when I'm using my pro camera .... I still prefer take fast snaps with the phone but ...yeah sometimes it could be go play with all these settings !!! thank you!!!
I also discovered that there is a video version " Cinema FV-5" with pretty much the same controls...interesting.
Anyway I got an issue even with the pro version...I can't save the pictures in the sd card.
Is it the same for you?
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That's brilliant. I just checked, I have an older version..so will update when I install it on the xperia. It would be good to see what raw data the app can get from the sony imaging chip.
Even though its said that Android L will also have RAW capabilities. Lets see.
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I had the same problem initially on my HTC Once X, but they resolved it.
I would assume the Lollipop raw feature would be available to all phones running L, though I'm not a developer so just speculating.
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What ISO levels are selectable in the full version? The lite version only goes up to 3200...
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What ISO levels are selectable in the full version? The lite version only goes up to 3200...
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Well all parameters are based on each hardwares capability and drivers. The max I believe is ISO 3200, though my htc one x does not support that, but does go to extended ISO 50. Though, I was told custom roms (like on my htc) can restrict or help features too.
Speaking from using pro DSLR's, I would expect 3200 or more from a camera phones sensor to be very noisy. Obviously the Z3 series does go as high as 12,800, and uses their drm protected algorithms to handle the noise.
You could ask the developers, who are quite good, and see what MAX parameters the app supports for z3c. Tbh, I'd like to know that too.
FV-5 would automatically increase ISO value when the light is insufficient, and produce a lot noise in pictures.
The default Sony Camera would extend exposure time in such environment, according to the result of metering.
I did not find an app, outside the stock, with iso setting. I'm on stock kitkat. Had Sony blocked this setting for 3rd party apps or devs must use different api?
In my old Xiaomi all worked like a charm FV5, capture Pro and ABetter camera.
Camera app for photography
I am using google camera app. It is really good. It is responsive and easy-to-use design.
Hello,
I've noticed some "artifacts/noise", with a recursive pattern, in some photos of the Sony Xperia Z3 in "some" smartphone websites (I don't know if I can say the names ).
They were made in manual mode 20mpx.
Are there updates/firmware for the camera that have improved the final result versus the early reviews?
Thanks a lot.
Looking in deep, they seems JPEG artifacts... how can Sony ruin Z3 photos like this?
The Sony Z3 Compact camera is anyways a ****ty hardware and the software that is hard protected by the DRM keyes is also a turd. Compared to my 5 years old iPhone 4S, the all new Sony phone makes very very bad photos. Less quality, no real color, too much noise, slower focusing, bad contrast and the HDR doesnt makes anything...
So I am sitting here and just waiting for the end of my carreer contract, when I will change this horrible phone to something usable.
****ty hardware? really?
The only problem with the phone is the software, automatic mode is a joke. If you have very bad photos with this phone it's either a faulty unit or your fault (by using auto). Hopefully with android 5.0 coming they tweak the auto mode so people who can just point and shoot will be happy with the device - for me RAW DNG is already enough
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****ty hardware? really?
The only problem with the phone is the software, automatic mode is a joke. If you have very bad photos with this phone it's either a faulty unit or your fault (by using auto). Hopefully with android 5.0 coming they tweak the auto mode so people who can just point and shoot will be happy with the device - for me RAW DNG is already enough
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I've tried a few Z3 compacts and Z3's and the results of the camera are pretty bad. Very noisy, autofocus is total hit or miss, and my biggest blunder is that all reddish colors come out with a funky purpleish tone in the pictures. The software is also pretty abysmal and unnecessarily complicated. Even my nexus 5 a year after the updates takes much more natural looking pictures although AF still sucks.
There's just something wrong with the hardware+software stack of the Xperia Z series and Sony needs to get up with the program if they want to compete. The current experience pales in comparison to the cameras of the iPhone or the Note4/Galaxy S5 which are fantastic. It would be ok if this was not supposed to be a flagship, but it is such a thing.
No man just no. The hardware is completely fine. The software is not upto par. The same Sony lenses are used by other manufacturers and they achieve good results. This 20.7 will be used on HTC M9 next probably and you'll see whether it's the problem with the hardware or software
Very noisy = turn down the ISO sensitivity, it's no APS-C or Full Frame sensor - but probably Sony's mess while on Auto
Autofocus is total hit or miss - Again, this one is not that visible on my unit, even in poor lit conditions makes a few misses, but in daylight never.
Magenta tint? nope, not here.
However without arguing the stock camera app needs improvemrnt, I am taking pictures with Camera FV-5 and those are great.
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Hopefully with android 5.0 coming they tweak the auto mode so people who can just point and shoot will be happy with the device - for me RAW DNG is already enough
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How do you save in RAW/DNG format on Z3C?
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How do you save in RAW/DNG format on Z3C?
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At the moment, you can't. As you can see, I already wrote that feature will come in Android 5.0, and if Sony's camera won't support it, others will. Camera FV-5 already has the option.
No updates for the camera AKAIK, which sucks because it is not great right now. Pink spot, crummy white balance, almost unuseable "superior auto", funky reds, poor shutter speed selection, stupidly complicated software, and appalling jpeg processing that leaves 20MP photos in particular looking like they were saved at 30% quality.
One of the main reasons i bought the z3c was for the camera, but those reviewers who sang its praises must have been smoking something (or paid by Sony). I hope the Lollipop update brings some improvement.
Same here, I had very high hopes coming from iPhone 5 but I already miss how easy it was to take a photo with that.
There are no jpeg artifacts, only artifacts from excessive artificial sharpening.
The jpeg quality must actually be quite high here, considering the ~9 MB size of the full-res photos.
What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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bill3508 said:
What kind of file sizes are you folks seeing with this camera in the different megapixel modes? Thinking about picking one up but wondering how much compression there is. Currently on a 6t which is terrible.
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Better shoot raw if you want full control, 10MP is enough for social medias and 6x4 inc print. Otherwise, shoot at 40MP
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Yeah im just wondering what size the pics come out as in stock form in 40 and 10 mp?
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Depends on the complexity of the scene, I have seen the 10MP range from under 1MB > over 8MB on my standard P30
Just shot 10MP vs 40MP in the house to test, 10MP was 1.76MB and 40MP was 5.19MB
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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Thats not what I was hoping for.
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What were you hoping for?
P30Pro compared to P20Pro
I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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I've just upgraded from the P20Pro to the P30Pro and at the same settings the P30Pro is giving me images with less than half the file size of the earlier model. I'm really surprised by this...is there more compression being added, or do you think that the camera might be faulty? Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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There's way too much compression.
Try zooming in on a photo that wasn't taken as a raw shot. It's horrendous!
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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If you want better jpeg IQ, shoot in RAW in Pro mode and you'll get jpegs directly from the RAW file, bypassing all the over-processing that you get in auto mode, this is the only reason I am so committed to Huawei, they are the only OEM that does this, all other brands just process the jpeg as per normal auto mode when you shoot in Pro mode with RAW.
With Huawei the jpeg you get from Pro mode with RAW enabled comes directly from the RAW file and is way more natural etc. see crop below, top crop is from auto mode, bottom crop is from the jpeg from RAW in Pro mode, massive difference.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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Can't say I agree with any of that.
RAW from my P30 pro is vastly inferior to the Raw shots from my Poco F1 and my old OP5 .
Jpegs in pro mode are no different in size or structure to those taken in Auto. They both have the same libjpeg applied to them.
There's an excessive amount of compression applied and artificial noise reduction, post sharpening.
a 40mp shot should not be coming out at 6mb .
Raw come out under exposed in most situations and require excessive amounts of noise reduction in anything other than bright sunlight.
*IF* we get camera api2 then it might be more usable as it will allow a bit better fine control, but as it stands the entire lens matrix code appears to be broken.
And in case you were wondering, yes I do have a lot of experience of camera driver code, at both kernel and userspace level. Unfortunately with huawei closed approach I can't even see what they are doing for definite. I do know that this will be my last device from them though as I don't like the results of the camera or the closed off approach.
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dont you see the difference in the crops?? compression is similar yes but the processing is way different, and I'm not talking of the RAW files but the jpeg that comes directly from the RAW file, which is very different to the jpeg in auto mode. See another crop below taken now in my office, left side from jpeg (auto mode), right side jpeg (from RAW in Pro mode) there is a big difference in processing, the libjpeg does not get used in taking the jpeg directly from RAW.
My Samsung Note 9 RAWs are far worse, and my iPhone Xs are also nothing special, for me the Huawei's are no worse than anything out there the fact that I can get a jpeg from the RAW data and just tweak it (but have that natural unprocessed look) is by far more useful to me. If you want to process all your own RAWs then things may be slightly different, but I see no big differences in the RAW files across OEMs, but this ability of Huawei phones to give you a jpeg directly from the RAW file automatically is a big plus for me.
Have a look at amir's dng processor for better image manipulation from raw
https://t.me/appforks
Bear in mind he's constantly tweaking how it works so there's a lot of versions on there too play with.
There's no such thing as a jpeg direct from raw.
It will always be processed.
And no I don't see any difference when zoned between the Pro mode jpeg and the normal.
Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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Would any of you guys buy a camera with a built-in phone then complain its no good because the phone wasn't up to your expectations?
If I was as consumed by top quality photography as you guys seem to be I'd buy a dedicated camera that had the specs I most wanted.
FWIW I'm more than pleased with the results of the photos that I take. And the phones not too bad either ?
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How very lovely for you.
My daughter was over the moon with her toy camera for years. Everyone else realised it was about as effective as rubbing vaseline in your eyes them looking at a Jackson Pollock to try to replicate a Constable haywain.
When she ended up with a decent camera she realised just had bad the old one had been. She was quite miffed.
If you buy a phone that's supposedly one of the best available and sold as coming with one of the highest rated camera systems.
Then that camera system turns out to get worse after a software update, I think you're fairly entitled to be a wee tad disgruntled and should expect more.
Personally I don't want to carry another camera with me.
The phone is there and available for producing photos when I need them quickly and immediately.
It's why I brought it.
By your logic, if I want to know where I am I should buy a standalone GPS, f*@k knows how I'd carry a typewriter around all day if I ever need to type a message out!
Ooh best not forget the pigeon as well.
Nope all in one devices that do as they are advertised to do. That's the future- oh no hang on that's supposed to be now-
Ideally the software in the phone software shouldn't be preventing the hardware from producing decent results.
But this is.
I offered to swap my p30 Pro for my old Poco f1 that my son now uses. He declined after testing it by taking some photos, he likes his f1.
The phone is great, the camera software is appalling.
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RAW is ok, but requires a lot of tweaking and filespace.
The major problem is that when I take pictures, getting a 40 megapixel jpeg file which has too much compressing losing all fine details and causing 'blocks', typical jpeg compression artefacts.