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[Q] DEFY+ or SGS ???

heyy people can u point out wich one to choose from SGS or DEFY+ ?
all i know is both having 1ghz cpu...but want to know which one is better for gaming with option of future updates...
thanx alot people

Defy has 800 MHz as standard and this is the sgs forum so i'm sure most people will vote for the sgs Read up reviews and watch reviews on youtube for the most help. Type defy vs sgs on youtube and you might find some good reviews.

asn39 said:
heyy people can u point out wich one to choose from SGS or DEFY+ ?
all i know is both having 1ghz cpu...but want to know which one is better for gaming with option of future updates...
thanx alot people
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Hello asn39!
First of all i want to classify the advantages of SGS over MOTOdefy+
-->1Ghz Hummingbird & 1GHz bump from TI-OMAP-3610 to 3620!
1) The point here is the Hummingbird has a GPU PowerVRSGX 540 that is superior over PowerVR SGX 530.
2) You have an overclock of 1.7 GHz paired wih a 40MHz increase in GPU.
3) It beats the MSM8255 in terms of FPS...
-->SUPER AMOLED screen!
--> No of ROM[20+Mod]'s and Kernel[8Mods] packs availability for SGS i9K.
-->Enchanced Sound from SGS coz of Voodoo v10 FIX'es.
-->Hack's and Mod's for SGS are under development.
now you have to decide whether to take SGS or Moto!

Ashtrix said:
Hello asn39!
First of all i want to classify the advantages of SGS over MOTOdefy+
-->1Ghz Hummingbird & 1GHz bump from TI-OMAP-3610 to 3620!
1) The point here is the Hummingbird has a GPU PowerVRSGX 540 that is superior over PowerVR SGX 530.
2) You have an overclock of 1.7 GHz paired wih a 40MHz increase in GPU.
3) It beats the MSM8255 in terms of FPS...
-->SUPER AMOLED screen!
--> No of ROM[20+Mod]'s and Kernel[8Mods] packs availability for SGS i9K.
-->Enchanced Sound from SGS coz of Voodoo v10 FIX'es.
-->Hack's and Mod's for SGS are under development.
now you have to decide whether to take SGS or Moto!
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Totally agreed SGS has best gaming experince and high video quality with smooth and soft touch....and too fast
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The SGS is highly individual and one of the flattest phones. Furthermore it's very light and well to handle. One big advantage is the stability - if it is having contact with the floor, it won't give up being a gentle friend ;-)
Get it, love it

SGS for sure

[Q] i9000 or i9001?

I want to buy a Galaxy S but... which is better? Galaxy S Plus has a few custom roms.. But its 1400 mhz.. hummingbird or scorpion? I'm a noob on these smartphones. some people say Galaxy S's processor is better than SGS+'s.. Which could I buy? Thanks.

I will recommend paying a few more and go for galaxy r .

Samsung Hummingbird is the best single-core chipset. ARM Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX540 = awesome combination.

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Bes05 said:
The sgs+ is better compared to hardware, (there is the + for) but in my opinion the sgs is a better choice cause there are more people with this phone.. more people = more devs = more custom roms
And if you can pay more.. sgs2 is a much better choice
Sent from my Galaxy S i9000 - ICS
sorry for bad english
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I agree with you. i9001 have a better hardware but have less devs working on them!

i9000 by far. Much more software, and in my opinion better machine.
BR

I'm running 1400 mhz on stock voltage of 1000 mhz. And -125 mv undervolted all of other frequencies.
Also I have a hummingbird + powervr 540 gpu
So I have Galaxy S+++

I9000 to the win
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i9000+ will provide better web experience from the start thanks to higher cpu frequency, but you can oc i9000 to get pretty much the same effect. You need to decide whether you want customize your phone or use as it is straight grom the box. In terms of graphics i9000 crushes the i9000+, because it's powered by powervr540 while i9000+ uses adreno205 which is older and slower. Also there's the community backup thing. i9000 is one of the most popular and supprted android phones and this will continue even though much more powerful devices are released. It's just so user friendly in so many ways you can't ignore it. My vote would be for i9000, but it all comes down to what do you want from your phone and what are you going to use it for. Either way you go, you'll ebd up with a great sammy phone.
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i9001 is a nice choice, but i9000 better because of community and official samsung support.
I'll recommend u to look at the LG Optimus Black - it has almost the same price/specs but it's a newer model, so u'll get a support for a longer time...

I was in same situation as you, I choosed i9000 and I don't regret it - you can OC the CPU and the PowerVR SGX540 is much better than Adreno 205 + more ROMs and mods, bigger community, more people with this phone. I get around 3500 score in Quadrant benchmark.

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Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime

galaxy s i9000
for sure
DO THANK if you feel i helped you

Definitely the I9000! The latest stock rom (JW1) is incredibly smooth!

nail16 said:
Look guys i know all people owning the i9000 are very proud of the powervr sgx540 gpu it uses, but actually adreno 205 is better than sgx 540, samsung has recently updated the adreno 205 gpu drivers in the galaxy w which uses the same chipset as the i9001, those who have the i9001 can download these egl drivers from here "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376462"
i have personally tested both the phones. the i9001 is in fact a good choice, the 1.4 ghz snapdragon cpu is the best single core processor i have seen, I don't want to hurt anyone here but all phones get old after sometime, the i9000 cant stay on the top always,and now we have the dual cores ready to woop our ares anytime
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The Adreno 205 is not better, it's a piece of crap actually. 265m fillrate? that is the same as PowerVR MBX lite. PowerVR GPUs have much higher fillrate 1G fillrate which ensures gameloft games can be rendered with A.I. with lots of activities on screen. Adreno 205 renders OpenGL benchmark at very low choppy frame rates with disappearing polygons while PowerVR GSX 540 runs it smoothly without graphics glitches.
The 1.4GHz snapdragon processor is indeed better for multi-tasking, but what is the use of a faster processor with a combination of a ****ty GPU?

Not everybody is dependant on a gamer GPU. I personally don't play any games at all on my phone. So this depends on what you want your phone to deliver.

Go for Galaxy R
Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....

puneetgandhi said:
Go for Galaxy R, as samsung will be providing ICS for Galaxy R and Galaxy S2....
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Isn't that only available for Roger's network in the USA and not worldwide?

you can't get the answer here... because most of the guys here have Galaxy S i9000, so they have to defend they're own device lol!!! and for all you guys here who doesn't know anything about "GPU's" i can give you a quiick info. here is a simple benchmark by two of the most respectable benchmarking groups anandtech and mobiletechworld.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-vs-sgx540-htc-desire-hd-vs-samsung-galaxy-s/
PowerVR SGX540 is a beast but Adreno 205 held its floor against it and wins by inches at the majority of categories. (slap on the face of the sgx540) users hahahahaha :silly:

Galaxy Note Using Mali-400MP GPU (Outdated GPU)?

hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here

It's so much faster than the sgx540 in the nexus it's ridiculous and since my choice was between those two I'm very happy with it.
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Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)

Funkym0nkey said:
Check out the real world performances. Mali 400 outclasses Adreno 220 easily.
The weakpoint of Mali is geometry performance, but it does not matter much with mobiles until now as mobile games are not geometry heavy.
On the other hand, the OpenGL ES 2.x performance and real world performance of Mali is excellent.
With the clock speed of exynos in Note which actually gives much better real world performance with Mali 400 than even SGS2, it runs circles around Adreno 220 powered devices like sensation and even SGX540 powered devices.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17
The above review is of SGS2. And mind you the performance of note is much better than SGS2. It is one of the most balanced GPUs on market with great gaming as well as multimedia performance (which actually matters more to someone like me.)
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thanks for this info sir

although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess

anjath said:
although mali has been here for a very long time, it was well ahead of its time. and it still is i guess
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Yeah well Scott Adams is wayyyyyyy past his heyday (heck, even being relevant).... haven't read him since 2007 or so, when he started dabbling in intelligent design woo and sexist claptrap...

for being a heavy mobile gamer
i can assure you that the mali 400 on the note does very well with the latest games (asphalt7, dead trigger to name a few) despite having to compute for a much higher resolution display than other phones...
and with a little overclocking (tegrak app or gl notecore kernel) gpu performance can get sky high.
best phone i ever got :victory:

GAME ON said:
hello guys..i heard that galaxy note and other samsung device are using an outdated GPU (Mali-400MP GPU)...so is it a little "fail" for our note to have an outdated GPU?plss give ur opinion.. thanks guys
..u can read the review about the GPU--> Here
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The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??

Whiskeyjack4855 said:
The note was released ten months ago but still its gpu is better than all the others except sgs3 and and maybe one x..
Btw do you even own a note?? Did you every notice any lag in any game??
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The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.

Kangal said:
The NOTE's and SGS3's GPU are the same.
However, the S3 is built on a smaller 32nm die-size, so it means it uses less space and less power for same performance. Samsung uses this advantage to clock the frequency much higher than the NOTE (which is built on a 45nm die).
Also, the S3 implements a new, updated driver for the gpu and squeezes more performance out. This was a same move Samsung made with the SGX540, which is also a very fast gpu. The original SGS was clocked real-low and had outdated drivers... after stealing the driver sources from the LG with OMAP 4440 SoC, the SGS (with 4.0.3) was performing in the same league as the 2011/2012 devices.
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I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?

Whiskeyjack4855 said:
I know that that both the note and sgs3 has same gpu.. But the one in sgs3 its more powerful cause you said it's overclocked and has better drivers..
Btw do you know why the mali in sgs3 gets so high benchmark scores even wih the 720p screen? I mean is it all due to oc and better drivers?
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Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.

Some serious thread necromancy going on here!
Regards,
Dave
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Kangal said:
Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
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By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?

Whiskeyjack4855 said:
By toe to toe with the one x do you mean benchmarks or real life perfomance..
Hey one thing more..aren't you a engadget reader?
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Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.

Kangal said:
Both.
But I don't live by the benchmarks. I mean have you tried some of the HD Apps from TegraZone. On stock TouchWizz, the NOTE really struggles. With a custom setup, I don't get much/any problems.
Yeah, I do frequent engadget... also on heaps of other sites.
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Would you be kind enough to educate me about your setup?

Kangal said:
Better drivers + a little O'C makes the overwhelming difference.
I mean the NOTE comes with *only* 2 cores and *slow* gpu... after I customized it, its running toe-to-toe with the HTC One X (Tegra3).
An easier way to understand is to look at the new RIM PlayBook.
It's got the same processor as the Gnex (Galaxy Nexus) however its much much faster, especially in browsing. It decimates it. It even decimates the ASUS Transformer Prime Infinity (O'C Tegra3 + ICS).... or the Nexus7 (U'C Tegra3 + JBean).
You are only as fast as your slowest component. In the case of Android, its the high-level (slow) implemented software.
= Getting a faster soc with more cores and more ram doesn't really increase performance that much.
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Exactly. Even though the Playbook has its many flaws (owned two both with screen/USB issues) it was a powerhouse. Multimedia was outstanding and web surfing was by far the fastest.
But the OS, QNX, is to thank for that. If the Playbook was running android it would be nothing out of the ordinary. As much as I love Android it really is not as efficiant as QNX
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anything on market today is outdated tommorow
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Recently I had a doubt about if it's possible to unlock the 2 locked remaining cores in the Galaxy Note N7000? Because I realize that the Note only uses 2 of the 4 GPU cores... It's there a possibility to do this? How?

i think mali 400 is a good GPU because Note1 and Note2 using it. and really nice GPU for gaming

[Q & A] Ask ask your questions here !!

Hi guys
I was planning to buy the Samsung Galaxy S Advance as my second phone, it has an dual core 1 Ghz ST-Ericsson U8500 CPU with a Mali 400 GPU from ARM with 768 MB of RAM. and other similar features like the S plus.
According to the stericsson website the U8500 chip supports 1080p video recording but on the gsmarena specs it shows 720p with 30fps (maybe someday could unlock the full hd feature )
The main reason i posted this thread was to ask about it's GPU performance, as it includes the same GPU from the S2.
Will the performance be the same as the S2 ? or somewhere around that ?
And what about the U8500's performance ?

Another Question
Are Dual cores really fast compared to a single core
I own a S plus which has a Qualcomm msm8255t 1.4 Ghz single core cpu, which i find quite fast, it runs CM9 very smoothly.

I'm also considering this phone, and I hope you don't mind I through in another question: is it true what they say that with this being "an upgrade to the Galaxy S" and only available on limited markets we don't have to expect much development and selection in custom ROMs?
I am considering either this, or a Motorola Atrix 4G and I really don't know what to choose...

I actually like it's design, it's somewhat like a mix between the S2 and Galaxy Nexus, more like a baby Nexus.
anyways this phone has great potential as it beats the galaxy R (see benchmarks at gsmarena)

I don't think that it'll get much attention by devs. It's not that the phone's slow, but there won't be as many users as other Galaxy S phones have. You can see what happened to S Plus: it's faster than the Galaxy S, but not even supported by Cyanogenmod, with a very small community. The simple reason why the Galaxy S has more users now than the advanced one will ever have, is that the S once was the best phone out and many people bought it. The Plus and Advanced aren't. They get 1/2 cores when already 2/4 are standard.

LOL i just bought the device it's real smooth was playing some hd games and the performance is really good, the mali 400mp is doing its job just fine and multitasking is pretty good
I don't know about Germany but this device seems to be getting quite popular here in India

nail16 said:
LOL i just bought the device it's real smooth was playing some hd games and the performance is really good, the mali 400mp is doing its job just fine and multitasking is pretty good
I don't know about Germany but this device seems to be getting quite popular here in India
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A friend got it... but he's Android noob .

I just looked on amazon - for 40€ more you get the S2. IMO it would be the better choice. More RAM, faster, awesome cam. Why didn't you buy it?

I will rather buy S2. I learn my lesson with i9001.

In Croatia "S Advance" is on T-Mobile more than 200£ cheaper SII, therefor I don't see a reason not to buy it, except that it probably will not get much attention from developers.

dark_knight35 said:
I just looked on amazon - for 40€ more you get the S2. IMO it would be the better choice. More RAM, faster, awesome cam. Why didn't you buy it?
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there's quite a big difference in the price between the advance and the S2, so i chose the Advance over the S2. (and also i liked its nexus like curve, the curved display looks really cool)
Anyways the phone is performing well, for the first time i could play GTA 3 (v1.3) with full graphics without any lags.
and now have started enjoying gaming.
I don't regret buying this phone, maybe when samsung releases ics for the phone it will perform similar to the S2

nail16 said:
there's quite a big difference in the price between the advance and the S2, so i chose the Advance over the S2. (and also i liked its nexus like curve, the curved display looks really cool)
Anyways the phone is performing well, for the first time i could play GTA 3 (v1.3) with full graphics without any lags.
and now have started enjoying gaming.
I don't regret buying this phone, maybe when samsung releases ics for the phone it will perform similar to the S2
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Nah, if you get past 300€, 40€ aren't a big difference. With the S2, you can replace your cam with the phone, with Advanced you can't take usefull pics. And just look at the awesome dev support. I think Sammy only released the Advanced because of the big critic, that none of the Galaxy S devices gets ICS. Now they can say 'upgrade to advanced' and make money with their bad support. But in the end it's your decision .

I know S2 is a better device but i still liked the look of the Advance, and was quite curious about the new NovaThor chipset
and btw there ain't no news of ICS for the galaxy Advance (I'm starting to worry now )
The phone seems to have some very nice motion controls (like when you double tap on the top of the phone it activates voice search, and the tilt to zoom function)

I'm confused between s advanced and Xperia arc S (both of them at same price ) but i'm scared to get s advance duo to lake of support/deve so what do u think about that nail16??

Xperia Arc S has the same configuration as the galaxy s plus so it's a single core device and has a adreno 205 (the gpu kinda sucks)
I say go for the Advance don't worry about the dev support, it seems to be a powerful phone it will soon be recognized by the devs

Ihope so =D

Theres No XDA support for the phone. So its a big no actually !!
In india also its not that famous :O..!!

Great phone,
you can buy it closed eyes

Hey.
Friends with the following topics and vote in the galaxy S Advance and make a phone can get help from other Dvplvr.
Be sure to attend and vote in the galaxy S Advance ...
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Related Topics:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27198182#post27198182
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If this device gets a forum,
I will make Kernels and if time permits , ROMs also..
You can check my work in my signature..

[Q] s3 lte vs snapdragon 800 graphics performance

hi i have a galaxy s3 lte with the 2gb of ram, i play alot of 3d intensive games like gta vice city, while it does play these games pretty well I'm wondering how much better phones with the new snapdragon 800 are going to be in actual real play? would it be noticeable, if so how much? worth the money? or not? Or would it be worth waiting another chip generation before upgrading my phone. I am quite happy with all of the other features , any thoughts would be greatly appreciated .
Thanks

Joshjames87 said:
hi i have a galaxy s3 lte with the 2gb of ram, i play alot of 3d intensive games like gta vice city, while it does play these games pretty well I'm wondering how much better phones with the new snapdragon 800 are going to be in actual real play? would it be noticeable, if so how much? worth the money? or not? Or would it be worth waiting another chip generation before upgrading my phone. I am quite happy with all of the other features , any thoughts would be greatly appreciated .
Thanks
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if you like games like me, wait for the new genetarion of nvidia chips (i think it will be "Tegra 5")... look for "project logan" on youtube...

niikko said:
if you like games like me, wait for the new genetarion of nvidia chips (i think it will be "Tegra 5")... look for "project logan" on youtube...
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The only device that is great with games right now in market is Sony Xperia Z Ultra with its Snapdragon 800 processor and super awesome GPU.

The S600 should be considered also, there are mant S600 phones out there(Htc one , Oppo find 5(new edition), S4...) And it is not laggy.
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