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Ok first off I'm the biggest noob at all things root as could be. I have managed to make some custom clocks for my old LG voyager way back in the day and have even jailbroke some Ipod touch's so I was able to load bootleg games and apps.
But this root thing has got my brain traped in a vortex and I really want to not just know how to root my droid (That info is everywhere) but I want to know how it all works. What terms like kernel mean and how they relate to clock speed. What is the difference between all the custom rom's? What happens when I root my phone and can't figure out what rom I should use? Do I have to reset all my apps and preferences every time i want to try a new rom?
I understand the how-to's I'm sure when I try to root my phone that I will not have much trouble doing so. But there are so many things I want to learn and know before I do anything.
I would like to say I'm not looking for links to tech reports on rom's that I will not understand I'm looking for alink (or someone who knows the things I wish to learn,) something that will explain the terms what they mean, how they relate to my phone and what outcome I should expect from loading custom rom's.
I understand that most users of this forum fall into one of two category's ONE ether super wonder techs that know exactly what they are doing and know how things work, TWO people who can read follow directions and root there phones while trying NOT to sound like noob's when they ask for help.
And then there's me I'm a number two, now I know that kinda makes me sound like **** but I really want to be a number ONE
So who want's to teach me ? Who's got some time to kill or link's to post? I'm even willing to go buy a android programmers book if there's one that would be recommended reading to help me understand the OS better.
I want to learn from the masters and this is where they all live. So will someone apprentice me ?
To close my rant out I would like to say I'm a 37 year old man with a masters in chemistry 119 IQ and ex-stream case of OCD that drive's my compulsive need to learn how things work, So I make for a good student
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Thank you so much, I was hoping to be able to reply first, (this sh*t is my crack)
Ok, First off, the kernel is the basic system that controls how the cpu reacts, as well as how programs interact with the hardware on your phone, such as the screen, wifi and bluetooth modules, accelerometer, gps, ambient light and the battery. When a dev wants to overclock their android, add a module for EXT, or TUN, or add wifi support, this is where the magic happens. this is probably the most important part of the firmware. It also controls battery life via voltage, as well as cpu speed.( the average droid can be overclocked to 1200-ish, depending on the randomness of processors, though I've heard of a ridiculous version called OMAP Ti39 or something that could be stable at 2ghz, even 2.3. As I think you may know, Fat32 doesn't support file transfers of more than about 4 gigs at a time, which is why add in ext support is so important, especially since someone made a video player that reads matroska video files (blu-ray) Ive tried it, its beautiful, (V player - on the market) after kernels is framework, the framework is what renders the gui, basically everything that you see on the screen is thanks to the framework-res. We edit it either manually, or through the use of an app called metamorph, which swaps the xml files the framework uses with edited ones, such as one I recently used to give my droid a circular battery, however these xml files can change anything you could need them to visually about your droid, you just have to find what you need. Now on to shell. shell is the engine that is accesible through command prompt and terminal using the android sdk and adb, more on that can be found easily on the google android homepage. however, much use is made through devs and an app called terminal emulator that is basically a straight to shell terminal screen app. Uses for shell may include but are basically limitless, include moving any app to your sd-card to conserve rom (rom is the phones total system memory, apps usually go in there, but before froyo, and ext partition could be used, and with froyo stock support for most apps was allotted, and without the need of an ext partition.) Ram is basically ram, if you use a rom that originally came with a larger ram supported device, something called a swap partition must be implemented, otherwise it won't boot, there is an app or two that will do that for you, manual swap creation is also possible. Swap basically creates virtual ram on the sd-card. Root access, which can be acheived manually through the recovery flashing of specific zip files, or via free apps that do it with one click, basically allows you to flash kernels, change the framework, or allow tethering which I will cover next, is possible because the kernel the phone uses is linux, the unlocking of which is called granting super user access, in ubuntu a linux distribution, typing su, and your admin password will give you access to your computers system files, much in the same way we apply it to android. (However, it is unlikely you would try to flash an alternate kernel to your desktop, as it runs on either ie36 or x64 architecture, whereas phones run altogether seperate architectures , for instance android runs on ARM, and that is the base and primary reason your phone won't run windows.) Since android is free (open-source) there is an x86 version of android, including a froyo port that you can use on laptops and desktops. (Really quickly I would like to interject that recovery is an option on all phones android based that is usually accessible by holding volume up while booting, however the droid requires you press x while booting to get to recovery, which btw is what you flash a custom version of after rooting that allows you to flash roms and kernels. It also allows for backing up all of your phones firmware and data in the event of a problem. Basically its your new best friend, get familiar.) Also there is another form of booting called bootloader, it allows you to flash specific system files that are normally untouched, a guide to using that and a program called rsd lite will help you if you've bricked your phone ( Bricked- term used to describe the state of a phone that is unable to be recovered to an earlier condition and is essentially a brick or "expensive paperweight".) by allowing you to flash a completely untouched sbf (firmware) file. note that you can also use it to change your boring m boot logo with any image that fits 480x182 bytes through a slightly difficult, but fun proccess, a guide to which ,can be found here at xda, including a file that allows for the flashing of just the logo, whereas previously you had to reactivate your phone (you just have to follow the instructions on the phone) reroot, and restore the rom you previously backed up. Now on to tethering, the most important feature available to root users, which, if carriers have anything to do with it, would normally cost an extra 10 dollars a month. (Tethering- using shell or an app with the proper kernel to allow the use of your phones mobile network via usb connection, or the creation of a wifi hotspot with your desktop or laptop.) However thanks to devs who believe that what you pay for should be used how you want, most roms will tether, even in the settings, without carriers any the wiser. Windows 7 and almost all linux will automatically tether, vista is the most difficult, and xp has a quick install init file that works like a charm. The only reason we root is because we believe in the freedom to change our phones to fit us personally, and lets face it, because we can, because its fun, because its not illegal, and it brings a sense of satisfaction and pride in pushing the limits of technology. (P.S. I tried not to take to long so I couldn't really look it over, so sorry for grammatical or vocabulary based errors.)
(P.P.S. I recommend any book to do with android programming, but you'll need programming experience in linux, especially eclipse.)
Oh, and I'm a 17 year old junior with a vocabulary skill level of 139, just in case you wondered.
There are plenty of applications on the market where you can backup apps and data once you root, I personally use titanium, but I never restore system data if I'm flashing roms, only apps n data that comes with apps. Youre gonna have to search around other forums and whatnot to find the right roms.
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UPDATE: So here is the link to a better version of Ubuntu running on your Vibrant. I do not have much time yet to edit the original post, but take a look at the this. You should be able to get it to work.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823370
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DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY LOSS OR DAMAGE TO YOUR PHONE!! YOU ARE DOING THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Ok, so for those who like to push the limits with their phones I don't think it gets better then this
I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to making this possible. We had gotten a lot of good posts.
But a big thanks goes out to danielmid84, he provided me with the link http://nexusonehacks.net/nexus-one-hacks/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-nexus-oneandroid/ and a custom modified script to work with our phones, thank you!!
UBUNTU on Vibrant
INSTRUCTIONS
Prerequisites:
Root
Latest version of BusyBox
Android SDK ( and knowledge of how to use the tools, adb shell, etc... )
Understanding of Linux commands ( but not necessary )
Files needed are located here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FALJFT3L
BootUbuntu script modded by danielmid84 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=385853&stc=1&d=1282503588 NOTE: This file replaces the BootUbuntu file located in the archive above.
VERY IMPORTANT!!!
Step 1:
Connect your phone to the computer and mount your internal storage sdcard (Not your external sdcard).
Step 2:
Now create a new folder under sdcard named "ubuntu" for instance "/sdcard/ubuntu/" and copy ALL of the files in the "ubuntu.zip" archive over to this newly created folder EXCEPT the BootUbuntu file. You will be copying over the BootUbuntu file over from the additional BootUbuntu file link provided above.
Step 3:
Now that we have all of the files in place, make sure to "Turn off USB storage" on your phone to be able t access the SD card from ADB Shell. Also make sure your "USB Debugging Mode" is check under "Settings>Applications>Developement".
Step 4:
We are going to want a windows terminal open and we are going to "cd" into your "/tools" folder, wherever that may be located. For example " cd c:\android\sdk\tools".
Once you are in the "tools" folder, issue this command "adb shell". And for linux users, you will be issuing the command as "./adb shell".
Step 5:
Once you are in ADB Shell, you should see a "#" symbol now.
You are then going to type "su" to enter superuser mode.
Step 6:
We are going to cd into the ubuntu folder by issuing the command "cd /sdcard/ubuntu".
Now that we are located in "/sdcard/ubuntu" we will issue the command "sh ./ubuntu.sh"
This command only needs to be entered once, or if you ever change the file "bootubuntu".
Step 7:
Once that is completed, issue the command "bootubuntu".
If you get the "localhost" prompt, you have just successfully installed UBUNTU onto your Vibrant. Congratulations!!!
Now mind you, this is not with a Graphical User Interface yet and but you can access the power of Linux and Ubuntu by using a Terminal Emulator.
But if you want a running Graphical User Interface to play with, keep in mind that is uses a lot of memory and continue reading and I will have that updated here shortly.
Step 8:
We are now going to install a GUI.
While still being in Ubuntu with the "localhost" prompt, issue the command "apt-get update".
Then issue the command "apt-get install tightvncserver".
Step 9:
Once that is complete, you are going to want to issue the command "apt-get install lxde". This will take a few minutes so let it do its thing.
Step 10:
Next we are going to type:
"export USER=root" then
"vncserver -geometry 1024x800" but you can change the display size to what you prefer.
You will be asked to set a password at this time for login.
Step 11:
Next we are going to add the following commands to /root/.vnc/xstartup.
Now type:
"cat > /root/.vnc/xstartup" it will seem like it is hanging after you push enter, but it is only waiting for additional input. So continue by entering
"#!/bin/sh"
"xrdb $HOME/.Xresources"
"xsetroot -solid grey"
"icewm &"
"lxsession"
Then hit Ctrl+D twice and Enter key.
Step 12:
Now open the Android VNC app on your phone with "localhost" as "address" and "5901" as "port". Enter your password as well and connect!! You will now have a GUI for your Ubuntu!
REMEMBER: EACH TIME YOU WANT TO LOGIN TO YOUR UBUNTU, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE CONNECTED TO YOUR COMPUTER. YOU CAN USE TERMINAL EMULATOR.
This is only for full phone reboots to set up Ubuntu again.
Start Terminal Emulator and cd into "/sdcard/ubuntu"
Then issue these commands:
"su"
"export USER=root"
"vncserver -geometry 1024x800"
and you should be able to log back into the GUI with Android VNC again.
I'm surprised that not one person is interested in this...
I think debian on the vibrant would be sick!
sadly I don't dev
Can I ask what "debain" is? For all of us new guys..
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itsjusttim said:
Can I ask what "debain" is? For all of us new guys..
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Google is your best friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian
yeah man, I'm pretty surprised too that no one else is interested in this! I would love to see debian get ported to work on our phones
For those who are asking, debian is a version of desktop Linux. When it works on our phones, it will essentially allow you to do almost anything you can normally do on a desktop computer.
Thanks for the link! This looks luke it would be amazing.. I hope we can eventually get this...
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post videos.
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It will essentially allow you to do almost anything you can normally do on a desktop computer.
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You mean, it'll allow you to do almost anything you can normally do on a tiny format linux desktop computer
It's all good and dandy, someone has ported Ubuntu to N1 back in a day, but the question remains:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
I am a linux user, and have been for quite some time, I do enjoy it on my work laptop with 14.1" of real estate, but I fail to see a huge benefit of running a complete OS on the phone.
And before everyone starts with "you know android is linux" I know that, and it is stripped down linux OS for portable devices like phones, etc. It is as good as it gets, and suits the portable device market well.
Please feel free to address my question:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
How about we get a port of WINE on android...
lqaddict said:
It's all good and dandy, someone has ported Ubuntu to N1 back in a day, but the question remains:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
I am a linux user, and have been for quite some time, I do enjoy it on my work laptop with 14.1" of real estate, but I fail to see a huge benefit of running a complete OS on the phone.
And before everyone starts with "you know android is linux" I know that, and it is stripped down linux OS for portable devices like phones, etc. It is as good as it gets, and suits the portable device market well.
Please feel free to address my question:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
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I was thinking the same thing. Its kinda a party piece. Look at what my phone can do. You know. I had it on my N1 and i never used it. Just like we could have windows 95 on the HD2. The only good thing i used it for on the N1 was air-crack, and i never got it to work right.
So you can compile android source on your phone, duh!
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Yeah, I find it a shame that some people think debian on a phone is simply a party peice. There are too many useful reasons to list, especially the reason to have a smart phone is to expand the abilities past just "a cellphone"
lqaddict said:
It's all good and dandy, someone has ported Ubuntu to N1 back in a day, but the question remains:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
I am a linux user, and have been for quite some time, I do enjoy it on my work laptop with 14.1" of real estate, but I fail to see a huge benefit of running a complete OS on the phone.
And before everyone starts with "you know android is linux" I know that, and it is stripped down linux OS for portable devices like phones, etc. It is as good as it gets, and suits the portable device market well.
Please feel free to address my question:
Why would you want to run a full fledge Linux OS on your phone?
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The real question is why not....
I'm sick and tired of all the negative posts in the xda forums.
why would you want camera on a phone?
why would you play games on a phone?
why would you read webpages on a phone?
why would you text on a phone?
why would you listen to music on a phone?
why would you want to go to the moon?
Is it affecting you in some way?
does someone sacrifice a kitten somewhere when someone wants to use a device for something it was not intended to?
do you enjoy stifling development?
jzero88 said:
Yeah, I find it a shame that some people think debian on a phone is simply a party peice. There are too many useful reasons to list, especially the reason to have a smart phone is to expand the abilities past just "a cellphone"
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good man
scrizz said:
The real question is why not....
I'm sick and tired of all the negative posts in the xda forums.
why would you want camera on a phone?
why would you play games on a phone?
why would you read webpages on a phone?
why would you text on a phone?
why would you listen to music on a phone?
why would you want to go to the moon?
Is it affecting you in some way?
does someone sacrifice a kitten somewhere when someone wants to use a device for something it was not intended to?
do you enjoy stifling development?
good man
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Agreed, why not explore the possibilities...
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And why drive the nails down with a screwdriver?
There is no negativity coming from my question, I just needed to hear the reason people choose to run linux on their phones.
Developing a code for android phones on the phone running full linux, ok I failed to see the benefit, unless you get a hard-on from running a compiler on your phone while on a crapper. I would see how I might benefit from using some of the linux commands on my phone, like tcpdump, etc. but running a full raw OS on it is just overkill in my opinion.
And why drive the nails down with a screwdriver?
There is no negativity coming from my question, I just needed to hear the reason people choose to run linux on their phones.
Developing a code for android phones on the phone running full linux, ok I failed to see the benefit, unless you get a hard-on from running a compiler on your phone while on a crapper. I would see how I might benefit from using some of the linux commands on my phone, like tcpdump, etc. but running a full raw OS on it is just overkill in my opinion.
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To probably sum it all up... MOBILITY.
First, I am sure you have several games on your phone which you play frequently. Some of those which you could play on your computer, and some maybe only on the device. If you could play games on your computer, why would you want to play them on your phone?
Virtually everything you can do on your phone you can do on your computer, ten times better. The reason we have Office Suites, Calendars that sync, Games, CAMERA!!!!, Photo Editing Tools, etc. etc. etc... the list goes on and on, is to do it mobile.
No offense, but your question is pretty ignorant.
"I just needed to hear a reason people choose to run linux on their phones"
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as an answer is funny as hell if you ask me,lol.
I think if you have nothing productive to contribute other than asking meaningless questions which is plainly obvious, especially in a forum like this, then don't post anything at all.
Only my $0.02
jzero88 said:
To probably sum it all up... MOBILITY.
First, I am sure you have several games on your phone which you play frequently. Some of those which you could play on your computer, and some maybe only on the device. If you could play games on your computer, why would you want to play them on your phone?
Virtually everything you can do on your phone you can do on your computer, ten times better. The reason we have Office Suites, Calendars that sync, Games, CAMERA!!!!, Photo Editing Tools, etc. etc. etc... the list goes on and on, is to do it mobile.
No offense, but your question is pretty ignorant.
as an answer is funny as hell if you ask me,lol.
I think if you have nothing productive to contribute other than asking meaningless questions which is plainly obvious, especially in a forum like this, then don't post anything at all.
Only my $0.02
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Why my question is ignorant? I am coming from a development stand point, what android (a linux port for smartphones and mobile tablets) does not do well that the full linux OS can address? I am curious... I've seen some embeded linux systems that are running the OS that requires to complete the task - packet sniffers for instance - I am pretty sure you can run the full OS on it, but it is overkill. I understand that the smartphones are our mobile gateways when we are away from computers, and as they stand right now I failed to see what the full OS can contribute to the whole mobile experience. Games? Well, now you have the whole android community asking when the cadega becomes available on android so that you can run Call of Duty, etc. on your phone.
And as far as me not contributing and asking the meaningless questions - when you come to the development board and demand that something needs to be ported on your device a developer will ask you my question:
Why do you need it? What benefits are you looking for?
So, I still to hear the answer to these questions besides the fun factor to show your co-workers look I have a penguin on my boot screen.
Look at it from this standpoint, every major phone release has hardware that can rival netbooks and ultra-portables, when the dual-core snapdragons hit later on, they may even be on par with low end notebooks. They contain cellular modems as well as wifi so you're constantly connected on a device that can fit in your pocket.
On the software side every major mobile operating system out there is constantly evolving and adding more and more features of that you can find on any PC/Linux/OSX box in the world. Albeit they're slimmed down versions, designed to be lightweight and functional on a smaller sized screen.
Add in google voice, a service that you can have your cell phone calls funneled into a single number or have your google voice number funneled into any other phone number you tell it to, plus you have skype. Installing Debian on a mobile device doesnt change the fact its still a cell phone the only it changes is how much this cell phone can do without restrictions.
Its the people who push software and hardware to there limits and into places they were never designed to be, that push the technology world and push the companies to do new things. There the pioneers who are trying to marry the inevitable before anyone else is ready. Those are the people who make companies like Google, Nokia, Intel, etc etc realize that there is potential in a risk, when there is a community ready to back them up. If it wasn't for the indie developers out there trying to minimalize linux to be used on cell phones we wouldn't have our beloved Android today.
You ask why, I'll answer because its inevitable. You can join the front lines or you can wait.
Hello,
I m researching about windows phone n I haven't used windows phone since 6.5
I m an avid android user n want to get a taste of windows phone.
I usually have following uses apart from call/texting :
*browsing with flash, download files, surf websites.
*EBook reading with PDF , mobi , epub , office
*Whatsapp , Viber and Tango
*Facebook
*Opera Mobile Browser /chrome/ Firefox/dolphin or similar
* Video player with all video support like vlc n MX player pro in android
*Games n few HD games too
Also can you control brightness?
How much is internal memory available to user when you buy the phone . I know you won't get exactly 8gb.
How does 512 ram limits your experience with apps and games?
dont compare WM6.5 with new WP series... is totally different....
flash not supported (and never be because dead... only is problem on pages which not give proper support to html5)
all this (ebooks, docs, pdf) open on phone
whatsapp, viber, skype working, tango not support wp8
facebook work, official or not officiall apps work, also you can use browser
no support for firefox, chrome or opera... only IE or Nokia Express...
only wmv and mp4 video files work, no mkv or subtitle support, no other media players support
games (HD or which you want play) in marketplace work but if you want gamer experience 512 RAM devices not for you.... you must buy device with more RAM....
2 gb ram is taken by OS and dont forget other things... 8 gb not enough for gamers... how i say it: if you want play games take device with 1GB+ RAM and minimum 16 GB of memory, 32 GB is recommended....
nobody can tell you did 512 mb device have problems with games and apps because if game need more than 512 mb ram you cant install it....
Mostly right. A few caveats:
* Flash is not "dead" though you might argue it's heading there. Windows RT still supports it, and an awful lot of the web still tries to use it. It is a problem on the phone. On the other hand, Flash for Android *is* dead, so you don't actually *lose* anything there by switching to WP8.
* You'll need apps for document formats other than Office formats (which are supported natively), but there exist free apps for ebook reading.
* Odd that Tango is missing (it's available for WP7), but it does seem to be that way. Skype integrates well, though. I haven't used the others.
* Lots of Facebook stuff (OS-level integration, some good apps, and yes it works fine in the browser too).
* IE10 is a pretty solid browser, fast and HTML5-capable. It's better than the old default Android browser before Chrome, for sure. Is there a specific reason you need an alternate browser? There are tons of "browser" apps, but (like on iOS), they are all just wrapped around the native browser control rather than actually having their own rendering engine.
* VLC has said that they are bringing the player to WP8! It's still being ported and not available yet, though (no real ETA either). I don't use MKV so I can't speak to the quality of apps for it, but I'd kind of expect them to exist.
* The Lumia 520 screen isn't "HD" (800x480) so there's arguably no point in "HD" games for it, but they do exist. Many are Xbox Live games as well. The point about the RAM issue is valid, though; you will need a 1GB phone for the really "big" games.
* Brightness control works fine, either manual control or automatically based on the light sensor. I don't know how good the actual screen brightness is, though.
* One-point-something gigs of storage (not RAM, despite what dxdy said) are used by the base OS, yeah. The remaining 6GB or so is enough for quite a lot of apps, but you'll want to get a microSD card for music/movies/etc. to avoid wasting the internal storage with those. You can't install apps to the microSD though.
A word of warning: WP8 is more locked down than Android, never mind WinMo. Things like browsing the filesystem or registry are officially impossible, and even with homebrew we can't really do it yet (much of the registry is readable, but not all). So far, there are no public bootloader unlocks (so, no custom ROMs yet) either.
On the 521 the o/s takes up 1.9 gigs. The 52x series phones are great phones to start with. There's a lot of good games that'll run on it too. So don't let that phase you!
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Overall I believe the phone is worth the price you pay for it. It is very fluid and I haven't had any problems with it.
ed00. said:
Overall I believe the phone is worth the price you pay for it. It is very fluid and I haven't had any problems with it.
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yes, you are right... but people want cheap phone and play big games
Thank you everyone for your time and your help. Appreciated!
MY NEEDS IN A PHONE
I usually use my phone when I am in bed. This too is usually for reading, browsing, watching movie (5 inch) etc or playing card games like spades etc. Further, I would need good messaging support, while I do not like to update my tiles every hour or so but only once in a day be good for me. I hope multitasking is enabled as if i am browsing, I can switch my apps to games/messaging if required. Lastly I am not looking to put a lot of money in Windows phone especially when the platform is new and when it gets a bit better, my high end device would be unable to fully utilise apps of that period as Windows only offer 1 gb of ram till date with mostly dual core support. I hope I can get few good free apps and I hope there are good games on windows 8.
I will get an SD card and i hope to move apps to sd card is supported or it is by default ? The option that there is no file manager/ file browser is also a bummer but I guess I will manage.
Can I setup multiple email accounts too ?
Now my choice goes from either getting Nexus 5 or just Lumia 520.
Basically, I have an android tablet and an android phone. The only reason I want to change my android phone is that, mostly I am using my tablet and use my phone only when I do not have access to my tablet due to any reason. Thus, my high end android phone is not fully utilised and even a basic phone will do.
MY EXPERIENCE :
The reason to change to windows phone is because it promises great battery life even on its budget models. Looking at phones from different manufactures, HTC sets that I have used, have always some problem with signals strength draining more battery while Sony has low battery life in general. LG and Motorola promise good battery but I havenot tried them yet. Samsung is most promising out of all with quick updates, better battery life and good support from developers. In a way, I guess every manufacturer has something great to offer but at the same time, it is limited to some issues except Nexus devices.
I have used all android and iphone and although I admire android, I just want to taste how windows 8 platform works out for me. I have used Nokia for a long time too, with trying everything from Symbian to its budget phones. Nokia promises very good battery life but lack of applications is big disadvantage. I said farewell to symbian when the apps were dwindling and I realised that Symbian (s60, Belle, Anna ) is going for an end soon.
Windows phone never really impressed me with lack of features, optimisation and how hard it is to find an application. Moreover, most of the apps are PAID which are not as good as even free android or IOS apps(Iphone has very few apps free though but still alot). However, the reason to try for a new platform is also intriguing.
What I do not like about Symbian s40 is no multitasking and generally limited support from developers and manufacturers with good battery life and small screens.
Windows phone on the other hand, the platform is still too young and it might be a good choice to try for Windows phone in a year or so, when it will have more support and I guess doing much better than now. Maybe more applications are officially supported.
Android at the same time is rocking and doing very well if you have a nexus device. I already have 4 updates since August till today, every time, bringing new features and updates. Plus, a nexus device gives you updates till a very long time. I am not sure this about windows phone.
I know 4 inch is small for watching a movie but the option to run a movie on lower end android device and how much support is given is just amazing. I usually use Opera Classic browser for my phone while Chrome, Dolphin and Opera Classic for my tablet. Every browser has its own advantage as Opera offers you to download files within browser whilst Chrome browser offers sync features to your all history, bookmarks and even access them on your PC just by logging in your gmail account. Dolphin has flash support and although, I can run everything including video websites on my Chrome, the mental peace that I have with Dolphin, that it will run any flash is just too good.
I do not think that I will have time to convert, large media files into mp4 or wmv so I can watch movies on my phone. So that's a real bummer!
Do you mean this VLC player ? Have anyone used it ? how does it perform ?
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/s...-for-vlc/2b27eb95-c86f-4989-8c81-3d4efa994654
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dont compare WM6.5 with new WP series... is totally different....
flash not supported (and never be because dead... only is problem on pages which not give proper support to html5)
all this (ebooks, docs, pdf) open on phone
whatsapp, viber, skype working, tango not support wp8
facebook work, official or not officiall apps work, also you can use browser
no support for firefox, chrome or opera... only IE or Nokia Express...
only wmv and mp4 video files work, no mkv or subtitle support, no other media players support
games (HD or which you want play) in marketplace work but if you want gamer experience 512 RAM devices not for you.... you must buy device with more RAM....
2 gb ram is taken by OS and dont forget other things... 8 gb not enough for gamers... how i say it: if you want play games take device with 1GB+ RAM and minimum 16 GB of memory, 32 GB is recommended....
nobody can tell you did 512 mb device have problems with games and apps because if game need more than 512 mb ram you cant install it....
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Does that mean, I can not open videos on my browser ? In Android , I run all videos on my browser without any problem. I installed flash myself which is supported by Dolphin browser, however, even without it, I can easily run yahoo videos and many other video websites like dailymotion, metacafe etc. Didnot try youtube as I have dedicated application for that.
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Mostly right. A few caveats:
* Flash is not "dead" though you might argue it's heading there. Windows RT still supports it, and an awful lot of the web still tries to use it. It is a problem on the phone. On the other hand, Flash for Android *is* dead, so you don't actually *lose* anything there by switching to WP8.
* You'll need apps for document formats other than Office formats (which are supported natively), but there exist free apps for ebook reading.
* Odd that Tango is missing (it's available for WP7), but it does seem to be that way. Skype integrates well, though. I haven't used the others.
* Lots of Facebook stuff (OS-level integration, some good apps, and yes it works fine in the browser too).
* IE10 is a pretty solid browser, fast and HTML5-capable. It's better than the old default Android browser before Chrome, for sure. Is there a specific reason you need an alternate browser? There are tons of "browser" apps, but (like on iOS), they are all just wrapped around the native browser control rather than actually having their own rendering engine.
* VLC has said that they are bringing the player to WP8! It's still being ported and not available yet, though (no real ETA either). I don't use MKV so I can't speak to the quality of apps for it, but I'd kind of expect them to exist.
* The Lumia 520 screen isn't "HD" (800x480) so there's arguably no point in "HD" games for it, but they do exist. Many are Xbox Live games as well. The point about the RAM issue is valid, though; you will need a 1GB phone for the really "big" games.
* Brightness control works fine, either manual control or automatically based on the light sensor. I don't know how good the actual screen brightness is, though.
* One-point-something gigs of storage (not RAM, despite what dxdy said) are used by the base OS, yeah. The remaining 6GB or so is enough for quite a lot of apps, but you'll want to get a microSD card for music/movies/etc. to avoid wasting the internal storage with those. You can't install apps to the microSD though.
A word of warning: WP8 is more locked down than Android, never mind WinMo. Things like browsing the filesystem or registry are officially impossible, and even with homebrew we can't really do it yet (much of the registry is readable, but not all). So far, there are no public bootloader unlocks (so, no custom ROMs yet) either.
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On the 521 the o/s takes up 1.9 gigs. The 52x series phones are great phones to start with. There's a lot of good games that'll run on it too. So don't let that phase you!
Sent from my Nokia 521 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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ed00. said:
Overall I believe the phone is worth the price you pay for it. It is very fluid and I haven't had any problems with it.
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Does that mean, I can not open videos on my browser ?
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no.. most of videos work but on some sites not... all depend did this site have right support to show video in html5
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and also you cant move apps on WP to SD.... dont except all what you want from Android on WP... WP is great but many people simply disappointment because have too much expectations....
you can setup multiple email accounts...
about battery: all smart phones (no mater which one: android: iPhone or WP) have problems with battery... and dont expect more than day for battery life... with videos, games and heavy duty you be lucky if battery last one day
my thinking is: you want to have cheaper device and want it all on it.... seems (this my opinion) WP not for you.... this is problem for "Android spoiled" users hehehe
dxdy said:
no.. most of videos work but on some sites not... all depend did th. E site have right support to show video in html5
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and also you cant move apps on WP to SD.... dont except all what you want from Android on WP... WP is great but many people simply disappointment because have too much expectations....
you can setup multiple email accounts...
about battery: all smart phones (no mater which one: android: iPhone or WP) have problems with battery... and dont expect more than day for battery life... with videos, games and heavy duty you be lucky if battery last one day
my thinking is: you want to have cheaper device and want it all on it.... seems (this my opinion) WP not for you.... this is problem for "Android spoiled" users hehehe
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Thank you so much for your reply.
One last question : how about signal strength? How will you rate on scale of ten.
I m not expecting too much out of a budget phone. I am not ready to spend big money on platform which I might like or might not.
My simple plan is to taste it n before buying one, I just want to see what WP can do for me.
If battery life is bad, then it's a deal breaker for me. On official website, its 9:40 3g time with over 14hrs on 2g.
Video playback is 7 hrs n browsing for 8.
I guess i will just buy one by the end of weekend just to see what it can do actually.
Hnk1 said:
Thank you so much for your reply.
One last question : how about signal strength? How will you rate on scale of ten.
I m not expecting too much out of a budget phone. I am not ready to spend big money on platform which I might like or might not.
My simple plan is to taste it n before buying one, I just want to see what WP can do for me.
If battery life is bad, then it's a deal breaker for me. On official website, its 9:40 3g time with over 14hrs on 2g.
Video playback is 7 hrs n browsing for 8.
I guess i will just buy one by the end of weekend just to see what it can do actually.
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The signal strength is a 8-9/10 I haven't had any problems with this aspect of the phone. I honestly believe that you will have a pleasant experience with the WP. This is my first time using a windows phone ( before I was a android user) and I have really started to grow to like it alot.
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The signal strength is a 8-9/10 I haven't had any problems with this aspect of the phone. I honestly believe that you will have a pleasant experience with the WP. This is my first time using a windows phone ( before I was a android user) and I have really started to grow to like it alot.
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I can't say anything about a 520, but I'd have to say it varies per lumia device. I have a 928 which is Verizon's (a CDMA carrier like sprint, but different from everyone else) flagship phone at the moment (that's soon to quickly change) and the signal on my HTC 7 Trophy had great reception, id give it a 9/10 while the 928, I'd give a 7/10. The calls all sound great, but I'm kinda on the edge of their coverage with LTE/4G, let alone 3G. Essentially the trophy I got 3-4 bars of 3G, while on the 928, I get 1-2 bars of LTE that usually bounces between 3G and 1X. The other GSM services are pretty poor across my whole home, while on the Trophy I almost never had any signal unless I stood absolutely still in a given spot (I haven't tested on the 928, I don't have a microSIM.) I had access to #DATA to get a decible reading on the signal strength on the Trophy, but that's not on a 928.
So, I can't vouch for the 520, but it could just be better depending on the band your carrier uses. Everything is bad in my region, because the trees are thick and the cell towers barely peak over them not to mention they are using the 2200MHz? band.
I bought the LUMIA and it is not up to my standards.
SORRY
I AM VERY MUCH DISAPPOINTED.
GOING BACK TO ANDROID
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I bought the LUMIA and it is not up to my standards.
SORRY
I AM VERY MUCH DISAPPOINTED.
GOING BACK TO ANDROID
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why? I LOVE WP! :'(
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why? I LOVE WP! :'(
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I will explain in order :
1. Firstly the amount of clicks you have to do in order to turn off wifi or data or go into airplane mode....or generally do anything...... you have to go into settings and there are no tiles apps to directly switch on or off anything. I got a tile app but then again, it just redirects me to settings.
In android, I only have to swipe down and use toggle buttons.
2. Battery life, I thought I was up for a treat as Windows Phone is known for battery but really ?
Overnight on power saver mode with airplane mode turned ON, my phone battery reduced to 27 from 52.
On hundred percent charge and used it less than an hour, 27 after just 24 hours while the phone was on airplane mode ?
Android gave me so much better life on 2.3.6 (GB) while it has gone better and better on JB.
3. The amount of data live tiles take is just stupid. I took around 1.26 Gb in one day alone ? I know I downloaded few apps (around 400 Mb) but that went till 1.26 without anything else, that's a lot of data. I used like half the data even while streaming videos.
4. The amount of taps I can open on my UC browser/IE after which, I get the message, trying to restore memory. . .. . is only 3 to 4 while I could manage even 10 easily on Opera Classic.
5. Applications are not optimised to run on WP as well as it is on Android.
6. Windows Store! Where are all the useful applications ? What about a good movie player, a good ebook reader that can support all formats at once. You even pay to get the worst apps ever. LIMITED! It is so much limited. WP claims it has reached a long number of apps but I can hand pick useful and really good application out of all they ever made. I have to install 5 apps to do half run stuff which one app in android did for me!
7. Where is a good file explorer? Why can't I just manage my files from my phone ?
Why do I have to connect it to computer every time, I need to manage my files or anything ?
8. Bluetooth a song from an android device, I can not find it anywhere at all. Not in Xbox Music or anywhere really. And I couldnot manage my files to know where it went and how will i ever manage to play it ? Restarted so it might just refresh but no, BAD!
9. Many applications are paid in WP which are free in android. Come on, MS should invest in free apps to attract customers.... no
10. Free Music forever from Nokia, well it turns out, the feature is still not available in MOST of the regions. While advertising, they were too EAGER to show they will give you free music for rest of life. TURNS out only few countries are supported.
11. What about a good MUSIC PLAYER???????
12. YOU CAN NOT TURN OFF AUTO ROTATE, REALLY ????
13. Minimum customisation
14. Still needs to catch up with Android and IOS on so many levels.
15. Getting Windows 8 if you need to develop apps.
16. JUST 3 brightness mode supported ??? Why can not I manage in percentage huh ? For me, the least bright is too bright for me at night!!
There is so many more things I do not like about WP
But only good things I noticed in WP are
1. Good sound hardware than most of budget and mid range Android phones.
2. Better Signals strength compared to HTC. While Sony and Samsung do just as equal.
3. Try option is good in WP store but android has usually free versions. What I like is that every apps has try option that's not true for every app in Google Play
The number of clicks needed to change settings is a well-known issue, though the need to change settings is probably a lot less than you think it is. Unlike Android, WP8 is smart enough to turn off stuff like the GPS, and put the Bluetooth and WiFi into extremely low-power modes, when they aren't being used. I see no battery difference whether I leave them on (but inactive) or not.
Assuming you weren't doing something dumb like expecting the battery to last all day while you played games, you have a defective phone. Mine will go over 3 *weeks* if left idle in Battery Saver mode. That's without using Airplane Mode too, just Battery Saver. Battery loss is less than 5% for an entire day in that mode.
No, Live Tiles do not take gigabytes. It's highly unlikely they even take megabytes per day, in most cases. Some will, but not many. A typical tile push is tens of kilobytes, no more.
I have 4 tabs open constantly and hit 6 pretty often; I have literally never seen a message about memory after having the phone for months. Admittedly, my phone has 2x the RAM of yours; assuming you have the 520 like this thread is about, you got one of the lowest-end WP8 devices that exists.
Your optimization claim is absurd; even if you were using the same hardware on both platforms (which I'm pretty sure you weren't), I really doubt you have any real idea how to test how well an app is optimized.
I have several Ebook reader apps, at least one of which supports all the formats I've tried so far (I don't use the others anymore). You aren't looking very hard if you can't find them. As for video, VLC is coming.
I'm not sure what sort of file management you're trying to do on the device, since even using a PC there isn't much you can do, but... yeah. There isn't much you can do. Well, without hacks (which we don't have for the Lumias yet).
It should be possible to save received songs to your library - I know it is with photos - but it doesn't happen automatically.
As for item #10, that's a case of know what you're buying. Not our fault you didn't read the ads more closely. I mean, I sympathize, but I'm also rolling my eyes. "Know what you're buying" is rule number one of being a smart customer. That goes for most of this list, actually.
I have no particular problem with the built-in music player, but there are plenty of alternatives, some of which are linked to right here on XDA...
Orientation lock is coming in the next update. Known complaint, though it's never bothered me.
Your number 14 is meaningless; WP8 has features that both Android and iOS lack, just as both of them have features that both of the other two major platforms lack. That's the way the world works.
The need for Win8 for app development is annoying, yes. I mean, I have Win8 at home, so that's no problem, but it's an annoying restriction. Technically I think you actually can run the compiler on Win7, it's just the other tools (emulator in particular) that need Win8.
Just use auto-brightness; at least on my phone the dimmest level (i.e. in a dark room) which the automatic mode goes to is much dimmer than the manual "dim" mode.
The customization stuff has been missing since WP7 and I don't think that it is going to change. It was nice when it was available on fully unlocked (essentially flashing a custom rom for WP) devices
every people have own thinking..... for me (locked) WP8 much better than (full unlocked) WP7 and 100x better than Android....
@Hnk1
i laugh when read your reason... in most of then you simply dont know how to use WP...
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The number of clicks needed to change settings is a well-known issue, though the need to change settings is probably a lot less than you think it is. Unlike Android, WP8 is smart enough to turn off stuff like the GPS, and put the Bluetooth and WiFi into extremely low-power modes, when they aren't being used. I see no battery difference whether I leave them on (but inactive) or not.
Assuming you weren't doing something dumb like expecting the battery to last all day while you played games, you have a defective phone. Mine will go over 3 *weeks* if left idle in Battery Saver mode. That's without using Airplane Mode too, just Battery Saver. Battery loss is less than 5% for an entire day in that mode.
No, Live Tiles do not take gigabytes. It's highly unlikely they even take megabytes per day, in most cases. Some will, but not many. A typical tile push is tens of kilobytes, no more.
I have 4 tabs open constantly and hit 6 pretty often; I have literally never seen a message about memory after having the phone for months. Admittedly, my phone has 2x the RAM of yours; assuming you have the 520 like this thread is about, you got one of the lowest-end WP8 devices that exists.
Your optimization claim is absurd; even if you were using the same hardware on both platforms (which I'm pretty sure you weren't), I really doubt you have any real idea how to test how well an app is optimized.
I have several Ebook reader apps, at least one of which supports all the formats I've tried so far (I don't use the others anymore). You aren't looking very hard if you can't find them. As for video, VLC is coming.
I'm not sure what sort of file management you're trying to do on the device, since even using a PC there isn't much you can do, but... yeah. There isn't much you can do. Well, without hacks (which we don't have for the Lumias yet).
It should be possible to save received songs to your library - I know it is with photos - but it doesn't happen automatically.
As for item #10, that's a case of know what you're buying. Not our fault you didn't read the ads more closely. I mean, I sympathize, but I'm also rolling my eyes. "Know what you're buying" is rule number one of being a smart customer. That goes for most of this list, actually.
I have no particular problem with the built-in music player, but there are plenty of alternatives, some of which are linked to right here on XDA...
Orientation lock is coming in the next update. Known complaint, though it's never bothered me.
Your number 14 is meaningless; WP8 has features that both Android and iOS lack, just as both of them have features that both of the other two major platforms lack. That's the way the world works.
The need for Win8 for app development is annoying, yes. I mean, I have Win8 at home, so that's no problem, but it's an annoying restriction. Technically I think you actually can run the compiler on Win7, it's just the other tools (emulator in particular) that need Win8.
Just use auto-brightness; at least on my phone the dimmest level (i.e. in a dark room) which the automatic mode goes to is much dimmer than the manual "dim" mode.
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Well, being honest, it is just a personal choice of using a platform which suits you. I am not going personal with anyone and it’s just my personal opinion that could be different amongst individuals. My only reason to buy a Lumia 520 was to have a FEEL of WP8 before considering a high end device.
I think WP has potential if it makes the right decisions and increases its quality application in the market. I used windows 6.5 on Omnia and it had good browsers and good video support. However, I guess I bought a platform which has not yet given it’s full and it is still in its very early stages. Maybe I am just too much hooked to Android that I am not ready to accept WP8.
I do agree to your few claims that you made but not to everyone. I am comparing Xperia U with same specification as Lumia 520 which I both own. 512 ram and dual core 1 GHz processor with 16 million colours.
I tried loving WP8 with Amber. I just could not. I guess if MS just spent like a million dollars in developing specific applications, it can help in the long way. Another disappointment is that if you have to programme for WP, you need to buy a development account and you need WINDOWS 8 with 64 BIT SYSTEM to start programming. That's a real bummer for small app developers like me who could chip in just a bit to help WP grow a bit faster. THIS was another reason, I just put my phone on sale today. I cannot invest another 1000 dollars on developing application (new 64 bit system with windows 8 and developers account) which I might just make for a hobby or try to optimise WP8 to my taste by making some apps which may benefit thousands other. THUS, only SERIOUS DEVELOPERS WILL CONSIDER making applications and these applications would be mostly paid, regardless of their quality as I saw on WP8 market.
If MS takes incentive and is serious about its growth, a mere million pounds it can spend to make these few specific applications rather than just promoting MS Office and other of its products. MS support is very good in these phones.
Applications like a proper dedicated video player that can support all formats of video with audio codecs. Adding subtitle support would be very much appreciated too. When you develop a platform, you always have to take all devices and not just the high end devices. Like Lumia 1020 supports more codecs than Lumia 520. I do understand that there are limitations due to hardware but it must not be forgotten that there are many others using lower end devices too.
Secondly, a proper ebook reader which can support all sort of books. like epub, mobi, word, pdf, rtf, etc,fb2,xeb etc. And also, ebook reader should support sd card rather than downloading from sky drive. only Mohoo supports sd card and sadly, it doesnot support all types of epub. Thirdly, a bunch of good and interesting games. A wide range of them so everyone from different taste can enjoy them.
There are so many applications that are used by everyone. MS needs to focus on that. Maybe a policy that if you are developing specific applications, you do not need to pay any fee and MS will support your work.
And the list goes on really from File management, Storage management, Data management etc
There is really no good storage management. You can only put pictures, videos, music, documents in your sd card but not applications. Neither applications can use sd card for their cache and data. This also eats a lot of space if you are a regular at whatsapp , viber or skype etc.
At least, there should be option to save game data and application cache and data into your sd card.
For many people, the lesser things to worry about is good while for some, they just want to have more options. WP8 just makes you more comfortable if you just want to stick to basics. Maybe this is the case for many who love WP8.
Also, you need to open different applications in order to run a particular file that is compatible with it. I find it easier to arrange my internal memory/storage card and then just use a file explorer to open every file. In WP8, I have to just open apps and then open a file. Sometimes, I need to look two Ebook readers in a list to see which file is supported by which reader.
App drawer is more quick way to find application in my opinion, thus when I had a long list of applications, it took some time. It could have been easier if I could arrange my list according to my need rather than in a alphabetical order or need to search every time I need to open an app.
Why do I have to press so many backs to close an application huh? There could be close button or a cross ?
In Android, I just press home button and use a task killer widget to kill all background apps with one touch.
I was very much disappointed with NO REAL notification center. I am just used to it.
Also, WP8 has problems running applications in the background. So whatsapp and such applications are not 100 % flawless.
PLUS, NO FILE MANAGEMENT WITHIN THE PHONE. I have to connect it to PC every time I need to transfer data or anything. And then I have to manage every file accordingly. Why my system doesnot do that for me. I just have to put it and my system automatically refreshes itself to do that for me.
I cannot open files until after a few minutes or after few restarts till they are refreshed in the system.
Installing Apps via Sd card is such a pain really. Restart your phone and it won't show.
Then I learnt the trick to dismount memory card and then restart so you can install apps from your sd card. I know you can do that via market too but market won't show every app due to different regions. So that's cool ?
Also, not all apps are supported for all regions. Why?
RESTART YOUR PHONE BY CHANGING YOUR REGION and then you can install that particular application by matching region.
No control over your internal memory and you just cannot delete stuff until it’s full and you then get to use SHRINK STORAGE to get your memory back after a restart. ANOTHER RESTART ? PLUS, it should be a build in feature as it is so BASIC.
BATTERY LIFE increased when I turned off auto sync. Tiles updates once a day. Disabled background Applications. Reduced brightness and such. SO THIS IS GOOD POINT. AGREED WITH YOU COMPLETELY
Well, NO OPTION TO STOP AUTO ROTATING . I love to read in my bed before going to sleep. When I hold it in one side, it just auto rotates. I did install legimi and other apps and I stopped auto rotating but most of apps does not support that. So if I am doing anything else like texting, it will keep on rotating. That makes me giddy already!
NO real good games compared to Android. Just bunch of games on WP that are good.
BROWSER TABS INCREASED with using IE but I was not so happy. It was just kind of sluggish. WP8 only has few browsers to offer which are not good except from UC Browser. I am not a fan of IE. Night mode was interesting to see though.
OREINTATION & VIDEO PLAYER ARENOT HERE SO YOU CAN NOT TALK IN FUTURE. I CAN SAY, to prove my point, Android in future will have better or same battery life to WP8.
KNOWN ISSUE IS STILL an issue to the users. KNOWN OR UNKNOWN, ISSUE IS AN ISSUE.
ABOUT YOUR CLAIM, I RESEARCHED ALOT BEFORE BUYING A LUMIA and saw its all features. I really do not need a free music for life as I hardly listen to music but the way they put it up was a bit deceptive.
I am NOT talking about my region of music for free. but if you go to nokia website, it clearly states that in bold, free music for life. not many are lucky like me and you because they fell into this ad hoax by buying this phone, only to realise their region is not supported.
I can go on and on really, but my point simply is to be constructive and things that I feel WP8 lacks.
I guess if there were a good movie player, a browser either opera or chrome or dolphin, applications to be installed on SD or at least their data/cache etc , with a good ebook reader, a few good games i could enjoy (applications are still very less), a proper file and storage management with option to manage my data I WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD TO WP8 and WON'T HAVE THOUGHT OF SELLING MY PHONE. I MIGHT HAVE ALSO THOUGH OF DEVELOPING APPS ON WP8.
If MS does that, I might give it another try.
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every people have own thinking..... for me (locked) WP8 much better than (full unlocked) WP7 and 100x better than Android....
@Hnk1
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Well, I believe that after reading my detailed account on WP8 you might think again. I strongly feel that people need to learn to respect rather than laughing. What you really are laughing at is your negligence to foresee things clearly but rather simply living in an illusion.
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Well, being honest, it is just a personal choice of using a platform which suits you. I am not going personal with anyone and it’s just my personal opinion that could be different amongst individuals. My only reason to buy a Lumia 520 was to have a FEEL of WP8 before considering a high end device.
Another disappointment is that if you have to programme for WP, you need to buy a development account and you need WINDOWS 8 with 64 BIT SYSTEM to start programming. I cannot invest another 1000 dollars on developing application (new 64 bit system with windows 8 and developers account) which I might just make for a hobby or try to optimise WP8 to my taste by making some apps which may benefit thousands other. THUS, only SERIOUS DEVELOPERS WILL CONSIDER making applications and these applications would be mostly paid, regardless of their quality as I saw on WP8 market.
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They have a few hiccups and that requirement for Win8 is kinda bs on MS's part. There are ways around it. To upgrade to Windows 8 x64 its only ~$100. And that's the same price as it was for XP and Windows 7.
Applications like a proper dedicated video player that can support all formats of video with audio codecs. Adding subtitle support would be very much appreciated too. When you develop a platform, you always have to take all devices and not just the high end devices. Like Lumia 1020 supports more codecs than Lumia 520. I do understand that there are limitations due to hardware but it must not be forgotten that there are many others using lower end devices too.
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Codecs are the same across all WP8 devices. I'm not sure where you got that one. MS just covers the basics and several other developer's take care of including other codecs, but are unable to hardware accelerate the decoding to relieve the CPU from doing all the decoding work and making your phone hot and when its not plugged in, your phone dead.
Secondly, a proper ebook reader which can support all sort of books. like epub, mobi, word, pdf, rtf, etc,fb2,xeb etc. And also, ebook reader should support sd card rather than downloading from sky drive. only Mohoo supports sd card and sadly, it does not support all types of epub. Thirdly, a bunch of good and interesting games. A wide range of them so everyone from different taste can enjoy them.
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This implies that including all the different ebook file types makes the app proper. Sounds like a nightmare for developers anyways. I understand them only intending on only including the standard file types.
There are so many applications that are used by everyone. MS needs to focus on that. Maybe a policy that if you are developing specific applications, you do not need to pay any fee and MS will support your work.
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Some companies are being just stubborn and that's only going to change if the WP market share changes. Companies are not going to make WP apps, just because they can. They are completely basing it on the ~9% total marketshare worldwide and they won't do it, because they won't have a huge profit return.
And the list goes on really from File management, Storage management, Data management etc
There is really no good storage management. You can only put pictures, videos, music, documents in your sd card but not applications. Neither applications can use sd card for their cache and data. This also eats a lot of space if you are a regular at whatsapp , viber or skype etc.
At least, there should be option to save game data and application cache and data into your sd card.
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Everyone is banking off using your skydrive. MS is banking on that too, but there are a few things that can be moved around into Music+Videos. Besides that MS intended for these thing to be cloud only anyways. Going from WP7 to WP8, that's completely evident. WP7 used Zune and that was the pre-evolution of Xbox Video. WP8 just uses any app that supports MTP or MS's wrapper that enables iTunes support. The worst part is that the application data can't be backed up unless the developer has added in skydrive support to export the settings.
For many people, the lesser things to worry about is good while for some, they just want to have more options. WP8 just makes you more comfortable if you just want to stick to basics. Maybe this is the case for many who love WP8.
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Yes, this is true, but in the hands of developers, its a mess. Power users' just realize they didn't want prople to be plugging the phone in and out of USB.
Also, you need to open different applications in order to run a particular file that is compatible with it. I find it easier to arrange my internal memory/storage card and then just use a file explorer to open every file. In WP8, I have to just open apps and then open a file. Sometimes, I need to look two Ebook readers in a list to see which file is supported by which reader.
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That's the developer's fault for not supporting more than one format. Anyways, don't they have websites dedicated to converting ebooks anyways? MS didn't intend on having people use the USB.
App drawer is more quick way to find application in my opinion, thus when I had a long list of applications, it took some time. It could have been easier if I could arrange my list according to my need rather than in a alphabetical order or need to search every time I need to open an app.
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These apps are supposed to be pinned. That's also why a search function was provided. [note: Samsung did make a app folders for the startmenu, but its only good for samsung.]
Why do I have to press so many backs to close an application huh? There could be close button or a cross? In Android, I just press home button and use a task killer widget to kill all background apps with one touch. I was very much disappointed with NO REAL notification center. I am just used to it.
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All of these are in GDR3. The notification center is being added into WP8 to ease users into the new platform. If you use WP as intended, all your notifications are inside the respectively pinned live tiles. I usually have to mash the back button to close all the apps running, but most people hit the start button.
Also, WP8 has problems running applications in the background. So whatsapp and such applications are not 100 % flawless.
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I'm starting to experience that more and more. Some live tiles won't update unless I relaunch the app even though it was running hours ago (almost everything I have is set to update a the lowest interval - 30 minutes.)
PLUS, NO FILE MANAGEMENT WITHIN THE PHONE. I have to connect it to PC every time I need to transfer data or anything. And then I have to manage every file accordingly. Why does my system not do that for me. I just have to put it and my system automatically refreshes itself to do that for me. I cannot open files until after a few minutes or after few restarts till they are refreshed in the system.
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Again why do you need to be transferring files back and forth? Skydrive is supposed to be taking care of that for you.
Installing Apps via Sd card is such a pain really. Restart your phone and it won't show.
Then I learnt the trick to dismount memory card and then restart so you can install apps from your sd card. I know you can do that via market too but market won't show every app due to different regions. So that's cool?
Also, not all apps are supported for all regions. Why?
RESTART YOUR PHONE BY CHANGING YOUR REGION and then you can install that particular application by matching region.
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Apps were meant to be installed from your region to your region. Exceptions are minimal. Installing apps to the SD fells like an afterthought. AFAIK, installing from SD still requires the phone to be online. So, I can't really tell you as the 928 (a flagship phone for verizon) doesn't have a microSD slot.
No control over your internal memory and you just cannot delete stuff until it’s full and you then get to use SHRINK STORAGE to get your memory back after a restart. ANOTHER RESTART ? PLUS, it should be a build in feature as it is so BASIC.
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Its been an issue in the past, but its slowly getting better. Nokia's storage checker lets you remove some temporary files. The other files are pertaining to photos and album covers that are cached that gets removed when you use SHRINK STORAGE that essentially fills the phone up completely and empties it.
Well, NO OPTION TO STOP AUTO ROTATING . I love to read in my bed before going to sleep. When I hold it in one side, it just auto rotates. I did install legimi and other apps and I stopped auto rotating but most of apps does not support that. So if I am doing anything else like texting, it will keep on rotating. That makes me giddy already!
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This is also another GDR3 fix. I can't say I ever thought to install another app to prevent autorotation. WP7 never received that feature unless you were using a custom rom on a unlocked device.
NO real good games compared to Android. Just bunch of games on WP that are good.
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Not exactly in my book. This will be different depending to who you talk to. I have Halo:SA, Bejeweled Live and +Live, UNO, Civilization Revolution, COLLAPSE, Earthworm Jim, The Sims FreePlay, and Wordament.
BROWSER TABS INCREASED with using IE but I was not so happy. It was just kind of sluggish. WP8 only has few browsers to offer which are not good except from UC Browser. I am not a fan of IE. Night mode was interesting to see though.
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Nokia also has a browser too if you are interested.
OREINTATION & VIDEO PLAYER ARENOT HERE SO YOU CAN NOT TALK IN FUTURE. I CAN SAY, to prove my point, Android in future will have better or same battery life to WP8. KNOWN ISSUE IS STILL an issue to the users. KNOWN OR UNKNOWN, ISSUE IS AN ISSUE.
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Other Music and video players are here, but its up to the developers to make them useful. After all they are only working to pay off they time they put in and the ~$20 it took to buy a developer account.
ABOUT YOUR CLAIM, I RESEARCHED ALOT BEFORE BUYING A LUMIA and saw its all features. I really do not need a free music for life as I hardly listen to music but the way they put it up was a bit deceptive. I am NOT talking about my region of music for free. but if you go to nokia website, it clearly states that in bold, free music for life. not many are lucky like me and you because they fell into this ad hoax by buying this phone, only to realise their region is not supported.
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I'm not sure they ever ran something about free music forever.
I can go on and on really, but my point simply is to be constructive and things that I feel WP8 lacks.
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It seems that you are screaming across the forum table, but thats just me. We are here to help you. If you want to help WP8, go rate some of their suggestions over at uservoice.
I guess if there were a good movie player, a browser either opera or chrome or dolphin, applications to be installed on SD or at least their data/cache etc , with a good ebook reader, a few good games i could enjoy (applications are still very less), a proper file and storage management with option to manage my data I WOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD TO WP8 and WON'T HAVE THOUGHT OF SELLING MY PHONE. I MIGHT HAVE ALSO THOUGH OF DEVELOPING APPS ON WP8. If MS does that, I might give it another try.
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This just is because you have only lived on WP for a very short time.
Well, I believe that after reading my detailed account on WP8 you might think again. I strongly feel that people need to learn to respect rather than laughing. What you really are laughing at is your negligence to foresee things clearly but rather simply living in an illusion.
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I'm not laughing, I just think this is the view of many people who try to use WP after using Android. I'd also like to note that many of Apple users won't have this issue.
Its just an issue of people not understanding how MS (or MS misunderstanding people for that matter) intended on people using WP and users are looking for other ways to do when the features are just not quite up to par.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I felt obligated to help.
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They have a few hiccups and that requirement for Win8 is kinda bs on MS's part. There are ways around it. To upgrade to Windows 8 x64 its only ~$100. And that's the same price as it was for XP and Windows 7.
Codecs are the same across all WP8 devices. I'm not sure where you got that one. MS just covers the basics and several other developer's take care of including other codecs, but are unable to hardware accelerate the decoding to relieve the CPU from doing all the decoding work and making your phone hot and when its not plugged in, your phone dead.
This implies that including all the different ebook file types makes the app proper. Sounds like a nightmare for developers anyways. I understand them only intending on only including the standard file types.
Some companies are being just stubborn and that's only going to change if the WP market share changes. Companies are not going to make WP apps, just because they can. They are completely basing it on the ~9% total marketshare worldwide and they won't do it, because they won't have a huge profit return.
Everyone is banking off using your skydrive. MS is banking on that too, but there are a few things that can be moved around into Music+Videos. Besides that MS intended for these thing to be cloud only anyways. Going from WP7 to WP8, that's completely evident. WP7 used Zune and that was the pre-evolution of Xbox Video. WP8 just uses any app that supports MTP or MS's wrapper that enables iTunes support. The worst part is that the application data can't be backed up unless the developer has added in skydrive support to export the settings.
Yes, this is true, but in the hands of developers, its a mess. Power users' just realize they didn't want prople to be plugging the phone in and out of USB.
That's the developer's fault for not supporting more than one format. Anyways, don't they have websites dedicated to converting ebooks anyways? MS didn't intend on having people use the USB.
These apps are supposed to be pinned. That's also why a search function was provided. [note: Samsung did make a app folders for the startmenu, but its only good for samsung.]
All of these are in GDR3. The notification center is being added into WP8 to ease users into the new platform. If you use WP as intended, all your notifications are inside the respectively pinned live tiles. I usually have to mash the back button to close all the apps running, but most people hit the start button.
I'm starting to experience that more and more. Some live tiles won't update unless I relaunch the app even though it was running hours ago (almost everything I have is set to update a the lowest interval - 30 minutes.)
Again why do you need to be transferring files back and forth? Skydrive is supposed to be taking care of that for you.
Apps were meant to be installed from your region to your region. Exceptions are minimal. Installing apps to the SD fells like an afterthought. AFAIK, installing from SD still requires the phone to be online. So, I can't really tell you as the 928 (a flagship phone for verizon) doesn't have a microSD slot.
Its been an issue in the past, but its slowly getting better. Nokia's storage checker lets you remove some temporary files. The other files are pertaining to photos and album covers that are cached that gets removed when you use SHRINK STORAGE that essentially fills the phone up completely and empties it.
This is also another GDR3 fix. I can't say I ever thought to install another app to prevent autorotation. WP7 never received that feature unless you were using a custom rom on a unlocked device.
Not exactly in my book. This will be different depending to who you talk to. I have Halo:SA, Bejeweled Live and +Live, UNO, Civilization Revolution, COLLAPSE, Earthworm Jim, The Sims FreePlay, and Wordament.
Nokia also has a browser too if you are interested.
Other Music and video players are here, but its up to the developers to make them useful. After all they are only working to pay off they time they put in and the ~$20 it took to buy a developer account.
I'm not sure they ever ran something about free music forever.
It seems that you are screaming across the forum table, but thats just me. We are here to help you. If you want to help WP8, go rate some of their suggestions over at uservoice.
This just is because you have only lived on WP for a very short time.
I'm not laughing, I just think this is the view of many people who try to use WP after using Android. I'd also like to note that many of Apple users won't have this issue.
Its just an issue of people not understanding how MS (or MS misunderstanding people for that matter) intended on people using WP and users are looking for other ways to do when the features are just not quite up to par.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I felt obligated to help.
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Thank you so much for your time and comments. I really appreciate them. The laughing part was not for you at all. My dear apologies!
I do understand your points and everything I wrote was according to my experience. I was hooked to my PC for a long time just trying to do stuff. Yes, MS has decreased developers account to 20dollar for 60 days. In the Uk, it is 35 quids and 60 quids.
Also, if you look at supported formats by 1020 to 520, you will see that 1020 supports MP4/DivX/XviD/H.264/H.263/WMV player ( MP3/WMA/WAV/eAAC+ player) while 520 only supports (MP3/WAV/eAAC+/WMA player) MP4/H.264/H.263/WMV player. So there is a difference in codecs out of the box
Yes you can upgrade with only 100 dollars but I have a 32 bit machine with windows 7 ultimate. My PC can not support a 64 bit system due to limitations of my motherboard. So I will need to update my PC while easier would be to get a new Laptop running wp8 64 bit.
I am not saying developers to support every format in wp8 but even epub is not fully supported. I have to check through different apps to see if the images are also supported so that's a bummer for me.
You are right about the market share and I guess that's another major reason apart from MS greed to get money out of developers rather funding them. Developers will always work where they find profit and Wp8 isnot a very versatile and widely used platform that MS could have thought of implementing such measures.
Games are there, but they are not my type mostly. Some of heavy games do not support 512 ram. Plus, out of those games I played in wp8, I think android and IOS have more detailed games and graphics are much nicer. It's just like game developers made an application quickly as they know they won't find much people using it but at the same time, take an extra mile to make the same game better in IOS and Android.
Yes, there are websites and ways to convert books. But what is easier for you? Just download it and it will be there in your phone where you can immediately use or where you have to download it, then convert it and then put into sd card and restart to get your ebooks. Also, moon + reader pro supports all formats of epub, mobi and pdf. It also supports SD and many other formats. This is not the case with any windows phone appliaction.
I am not a person who will first download files to pc, then sync to your sky drive and then again download into your phone. For me, just download on your phone is easier. Plus, even if i download on my PC, it just takes a minute to copy all the files to my phone rather than syncing them for about 5 to 7 minutes. (I am using 2mb connection )
Yes pinning is a nice way but I do not like to pin 20 apps on my tiles. It be much easier for me to make one tile for games, one for ebook reader and thus arrange every app with a category.
Yes, I know you have to be online to install apps as WP8 checks if it is compatible or not. But for me it's more convinient as I need to install different apps from different regions. Like few apps are only available in US and not the UK. So i downloaded all and installed one batch of UK and then changed the region and installed the other batch using US region.
I hope storage and management gets better soon.
You are right about Nokia browser but I will like to see from major companies like Mozilla, Google Chrome, Opera at least.
About Music, there is a way to make it work. I researched a bit. Again change your region will help after a restart.
I agree that I have not used much of WP8, but it didnot attract me much that I could think about using a WP8 as a primary device. Battery life is better and that is only advantage I can think of WP8.
Cheers once again