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I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.
cephasara said:
I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.
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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider
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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider
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Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.
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Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.
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u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)
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u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)
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Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.
cephasara said:
Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.
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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2
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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2
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Well I tried that, and MMS worked but so did the rest of the internet. That's the problem--MMS will work but so does the internet, so I can't help think that I'm going to get charged for that. So does that mean I was connected to the mobile internet or the data plan? I'm confused with entering that data, This is what I did:
APN: wap.voicestream.com
Server: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS proxy: 216.155.165.050
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Is there a way somebody could create an application to help with this?? Maybe make a driver or whatever it would be called for WiFi to be used as an APN. I don't know, something to remedy this. Please! Thanks greatly for your help already, B-man.
@cephasara
do you have the data plan?
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@cephasara
do you have the data plan?
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No I don't. And probably connecting to the data network for short intervals like I am probably isn't a good idea, since I assume data usage adds up real quickly of which I'll get charged for.
well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks
xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks
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Well I thought if you didn't have a data plan then you get charged by the megabyte. Am I wrong? Is there any way I can check without having T-mobile pushing one on me if I call them since it is suppose to be required?
And my settings are as described in my second to last post, I can use the default "T-mobile US" settings too which I think only varies by the "MMS port" which is 8080.
Originally I put my dad's SIM card in my phone to setup Android and he has the data plan. We're on a family plan. Maybe coming from a SIM with the data plan caused mine to glitch up, I really don't know.
you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go
xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go
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Oh sorry, I'm using CyanogenMod v4.0.2
Well I just checked my account information and it says nothing about a data plan yet I'm able to connect to the internet just by the mentioned settings I used. When I click under "Billing & Payments" then click "Data" I get "There is no data use for this line.", so I guess I'm getting the data plan for free..
Still I would like to know how to send pictures without the data plan because I doubt this will last forever. And for whoever else may want MMS without having a data plan.
Well after learning a little more about this I figured out that I was obviously getting the data plan for free. I think T-Mobile was upgrading to 3G in my area or who knows why I had it free for that time, but since then it has stopped working.
I am still interested to know if anybody has luck with MMS without a data plan. I haven't been able to get MMS since the data plan stopped for me. And I'm starting to believe that Android pushes MMS through that data connection, so there would be no APN setting that would allow this to work right. But that is just my own rationalizing from experience, because the APN settings I had when I had that data network worked fine, and MMS messages were sent and received. Even after leaving them the same I am in able to send and receive MMS, but that's just my two cents back by own my trial and error, so anybody with actual logic of this situation, please, go ahead and let me know any more information about this!
I've read many other posts about this and have tried many things but i still can't get MMS to work on my tilt on the Tmobile network. Does anyone have an AT&T Tilt with working MMS that they are using on Tmobile. Could you tell me what all your connection settings are. Thanks.
Go to Tmobile web site, there is instruction how to set it up
Seriously there was a thread about this just a couple of days ago.
geez
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566675
I've already looked at this thread. The tmobile data reconfigurer doesn't work. Can someone who has working mms just copy down all their connection settings. Thanks
I've seen that thread and i've tried the tmobile data configurer, nothing works. Can someone with working mms just copy down all there connection settings. Thanks
I just use this cab which I made myself, and it works fine! Hope this helps..
nope, that didn't work. I've got it to receive the message but when its downloading the picture it never goes about 0% and eventually it says gateway timeout.
what rom r u running? I'm thinking maybe you have some AT&T medianet settings creating issues.
Do you have data on your plan?
Hi I just got a g1 and was wondering is there a way u can have picture message without having to buy the Internet plan? Or are all andriod power phones required to have Internet plans to have picture message or mms. That would suck cause it would be like owning a Chinese cell phone. Can anyone please help me thanks.
i think it depends on the provider, tmobile has SMS/MMS service and then they have there data plan, i could be wrong about this
You just need to find out your carriers MMS settings and enter them in the phone. MMS do not use one's internet plan, they use the MMS settings and data services, then you either get charged per MMS or if you have an MMS plan, based off that.
A data plan, and the data that comes with that data plan, is totally different from MMS.
How do u get. To the mms plan?
Is there a way u can just download it put it on ur phone and then set ur country to united states or wherever ur from.Cause on my htc wing I had to download a network wizard onto my phone and just fixed my settings and after that it worked. I could reciebe and sent text with my htc wing.
I was wondering can I do that same with the g1. Thanks
if U got Tmobile : What ever textPlan U got ,u Get Mms Dont Need No Data Plan. IN THE US i dont no in other Countrys =D
g1
no thats not true at all. u need internet plan in order for the G1 to have mms. i'm in the US. is there a setting that i have to fix?
htc_wing23 said:
no thats not true at all. u need internet plan in order for the G1 to have mms. i'm in the US. is there a setting that i have to fix?
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YOU DO NOT NEED A DATA PLAN TO MMS!!!!! MMS does not use your data plan settings or data! All you need to do is enter the proper MMS settings into your APN list, and then when you go to send a MMS, your G1 will automatically test each APN you have until it finds the right one, or none of them work.
Where is my apn list located?
Slightly off topic
but phone plans on the other side of the pond are ridiculous. my contract is for 600 minutes anywhere in europe per month, unlimited texts, unlimited data (and none of that being charged for receiving a call nonsense) with a free htc magic for £30 per month on an 18 month contract. you guys really do get shafted
g1
that still doesnt answer my question.
t-mobile's unlimited texting includes mms, it's on the site. as picture messaging.
ive never had just a messaging plan, but they do have sms/mms settings, and it doesnt use data for mms. in transfering my samsung blackjack 2 from att to tmo, i had first got the sms/mms settings working, then data. tmobile is very helpful in porting over unlocked phones from other carriers. very. but att and tmobile 3g is differant so that part wont work
g1
so i'm screwed?
htc_wing23 said:
so i'm screwed?
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no...your phone will work on tmobile...they won't require data plan for mms.
g1
my phone does work. everything works but my mms. t mobile wants people to buy internet plan in order for the phone to work properly, so they made the phone not work with mms unless u purchase the internet plan with the phone. I dont have the internet plan with the phone. So my mms doesnt work. So i was wondering if there is a way to make my mms work. Since this site has hackers to do these things i just thought it would be possible to do this.
not sure but google tmobile samsung blackjack 2 sms/mms settings, then maybe find where to input the mms settings. if i remember right everything on the phone worked except mms and internet on the bj2 before i called tmobile and got it worked out. i specifically remember setting up mms FIRST, testing to make sure that worked, then set up the data.
htc_wing23 said:
my phone does work. everything works but my mms. t mobile wants people to buy internet plan in order for the phone to work properly, so they made the phone not work with mms unless u purchase the internet plan with the phone. I dont have the internet plan with the phone. So my mms doesnt work. So i was wondering if there is a way to make my mms work. Since this site has hackers to do these things i just thought it would be possible to do this.
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If you actually read what many of have been posting, you would see that YOU DO NOT NEED A DATA PLAN TO MMS!! All you need to do is enter the correct settings... seeing that you managed to find this site somehow, I would assume you are proficient in the use of the interwebs... maybe try googling "t mobile MMS settings G1"...
But do not rant and rave anymore about T-Mobile trying to shaft you into a data plan, when that is not true at all, and as many of us have pointed out multiple times already, all it takes is for you to enter the MMS settings into your phone.
htc_wing23 said:
my phone does work. everything works but my mms. t mobile wants people to buy internet plan in order for the phone to work properly, so they made the phone not work with mms unless u purchase the internet plan with the phone. I dont have the internet plan with the phone. So my mms doesnt work. So i was wondering if there is a way to make my mms work. Since this site has hackers to do these things i just thought it would be possible to do this.
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Only two pages and your already doing my head in, now open your ears, engage your brain and you might learn something!
1) get off your lazy arse.
2) read the manual for the phone.
3) find your apn settings menu (and don't ask me where, that's why god created manuals!)
4) this has fook all to do with 'hacking'
5) goto your service providers web page and find their mms settings.
6) enter those settings.
7) YOU DO NOT NEED A DATA PLAN ON T^MOBILE!
8) say 'DoH' and come back here
9) look sheepish and say sorry to all the nice people!
Hear endeth your lesson
i'm bak!
I'm bak but not to apologize. I went on tmobile website and cant find any MMS settings. Can anyone help me? please.
htc_wing23 said:
I'm bak but not to apologize. I went on tmobile website and cant find any MMS settings. Can anyone help me? please.
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We can't help you anymore than we have... we have given you advice on multiple options to find out what your MMS settings are, not to mention simple common sense. If you truly can't get it with the hand fed info we have given you, try going into a T-Mo store and having them enter the settings for you (the most common sense option of all, by the way).
I cant send mms to my wife's slide, my two friends' nexus ones, my other friend's iphone 3g, my other friend's iphone 3gs, my other friend's evo OR my mom's g1. I havent tried sending an mms in a while but i do remember problems on all of my android phones.
This really shouldnt be a problem right? Isnt this a pretty basic function of a super phone?
Ive tried everything i can think of, any ides? I really like this phone and im glad to hear about the forthcoming UI overhaul, but id rather the basic functions of the phone be dependable first. Any help would be awesome, perhaps there is a simple setting i havent thought of, although im pretty sure mms has worked in the past... thank you
What service do you have, does it include MMS? Is your APN setup correctly? MMS works fine for me, both sending and receiveing on T-Mobile.
I have never had a problem sending MMS via TMo.
Are you using Hancent or the stock msg? I have discovered that you have to make sure you change the settings for it to reduce it to send max mms size is 200k or else it won't go through. Most carries allow max of 250k mms size. Hancent has default of 1M.
ok thanks for the help. im on stock, i have tmobile with mms included with my service, also i receive mms fine.
How do i change the size limit and what should the apn be? i looked in the settings in the message app but couldnt find size limit...thanks
Your best bet is to call t-mobile @ 611 from your phone. When I switched from my iPhone 2g to my nexus recently, they fixed my internet and settings account-side to work with android. Worth a shot.
The default APN is T-Mobile US epc.tmobile.com
wdfowty said:
Your best bet is to call t-mobile @ 611 from your phone. When I switched from my iPhone 2g to my nexus recently, they fixed my internet and settings account-side to work with android. Worth a shot.
The default APN is T-Mobile US epc.tmobile.com
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will do, thanks
I was using straight talk cdma with my unlocked nexus 6p and the hotspot was working great as always, then I get a new "sprint unlocked" note 9 today, flashed it to U1 firmware to get it to work with the same sim that is in my nexus and boom everything is working as expected but I lost hotspot functionality. I can turn it on and it acts like its working but my computer never sees the network. Any Ideas? I've been out of the game for awhile and I didn't know much to start with lol. Any help is much appreciated. This phone is sick, if I just had my hotspot back I would be in business. Ran though the process again with a factory reset but no dice.
Bump. Tried a couple more things with no luck, I wonder why hotspot worked so well with the same setup on the nexus phone but just fell completely off with this one. I have heard that you could lose some carrier functionality when flashing U1 like wifi calling, visual voicemail but I never head anyone mention losing the hotspot. This is one of the few features I would have a hard time living without since I've grown so used to having it. Any suggestions or something to try?
I had this issue when I had a tmobile note 9. Changed the apn type to default,supl,mms and it worked. Not sure if that really did anything but had the exact problem you are having. Maybe manually entering the apn is an answer for you.
Had this problem again after rolling back and doing the official upgrade. In APN Type, put * and save the apn. You will likely have to put in all new APN settings for your carrier. I couldn't edit the automatic one. Once doing this, tethering worked properly!
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Had this problem again after rolling back and doing the official upgrade. In APN Type, put * and save the apn. You will likely have to put in all new APN settings for your carrier. I couldn't edit the automatic one. Once doing this, tethering worked properly!
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I don't have the option to add a new apn, its grey-ed out and I can't edit the automatic one.