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[Q] Do you think Android will come to Desktop PC's? And would you use it?

Hey Guys I wanted to know your Opinion about the future of the Operating Systems and especially Android.
I think in the near future Windows 8 will run on Smartphones, Tablets, Notebooks, PC's and TV's. Mac OS and iOS will merge into one OS for all devices as well.
Android 4.0 runs on all devices but there is no official support for x86 CPU's and there are no ARM desktop CPU's out, but I think Android is going to come to the PC as well.
What do you think? Will Android come to Desktop Computers and if you think it will, would you use it?
Also do you think it's better to stick to one OS for all devices?

Pretty sure they will try to do it but until now android didn't show us that they collaborate really well with the device producers.
This resulted in the fact that we have pretty good android devices that will receive the new operating system ICS after a lot of time.
We still have devices that have the capability of supporting gingerbeard but gingerbeard doesn't support them so the official updates are stuck to Froyo.
If they want to move to desktop pc's they will have to do some serious work about the drivers support and make them work as they should. (Point nvidia tegra 2)

I am very positive about the capabilities of Android. We seeing it lots of things recently...now that Intel is working with supporting Android I think de possibility of Android running no pc has greatly increased and the fact is when it comes to compatibilty Android is really flexible.
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Mobile phone's current normal storage size - 8 GB?
PC's current normal storage size - 1000 GB?
Wouldn't it be overkill for a phone and "underkill" for a PC to have the same OS on both?

Mhh tell that the Windows 8 developers, they are building the same OS for tablets and Computers.
But I see your point. My Windows folder takes up 25 GB of storage.
I wonder how they solved that problem.

Yeah... don't take me wrong, I would love to have an OS folder on my PC of 200 MB... I just don't really see it happening.
I'm guessing it should be something like Firefox and Internet Explorer... Firefox is really small and fast, because it has (arguably) one tenth of IE's capabilities. In order to have Firefox with as much functionalities as IE you need one hundred plug-ins... and then it's as big and slow as IE...
Ok, this is may be a very bad comparison, I don't want to start a flame war between FF and IE fans, I just wanted to make my point

Wadka said:
Hey Guys I wanted to know your Opinion about the future of the Operating Systems and especially Android.
I think in the near future Windows 8 will run on Smartphones, Tablets, Notebooks, PC's and TV's. Mac OS and iOS will merge into one OS for all devices as well.
Android 4.0 runs on all devices but there is no official support for x86 CPU's and there are no ARM desktop CPU's out, but I think Android is going to come to the PC as well.
What do you think? Will Android come to Desktop Computers and if you think it will, would you use it?
Also do you think it's better to stick to one OS for all devices?
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You cant be serious!!!!
Please take such discussions in the off topic lounge..

Galaxy Note WP7?

Is there any chance of it ever happening?
I had to say a sad goodbye to my HD2 WP7 to make way for my new Galaxy Note.
Personally, I prefer the WP7 OS to Android, and it would be a dream come true if it were ever available on a Note.

The problem here is that with a Linux-based operating system port all of the components are open source and hackable in order to get them to work on specific devices. With a Microsoft operating system this is *not* the case since MS don't open source any of their components and thus it would be damn near impossible to get this to work on a device it wasn't intended for.
The only exception here would be if there was some kind of emulator of another device which it *was* designed to work on developed for Android but I really can't see that happening since I just don't think it has the same following as Android and thus there wouldn't be much of a market for it.
TL;DR version: No.

Although we might be able to install windows8 arm at the end of the year.
For hackers and tweakers as a lot of us are, this opens some nice horizons

so why didnt you just get a wp7 handset? the note wont be running anytime soon, you know how much hacking and that the hd2 has a nice boot loader to aloow magldr to interface with it to get the other os supported?

friedje said:
Although we might be able to install windows8 arm at the end of the year.
For hackers and tweakers as a lot of us are, this opens some nice horizons
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Oh yes! I completely forgot about Windows 8
Should be interesting.
Richy99 said:
so why didnt you just get a wp7 handset? the note wont be running anytime soon, you know how much hacking and that the hd2 has a nice boot loader to aloow magldr to interface with it to get the other os supported?
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I love everything about the Note except Android, but I also love WP7. So I had to make a tough decision, and the Note just edged it

[Q] Windows 8 on Dell Streak 7

Has anyone figured out how to get windows 8 on the Dell Streak 7. This owuld be interesting. Can someone try to see if its possible.

You cant, period.
Win8/ARM isnt even available yet
Win8 needs a UEFI bootloader(?)
No drivers

I'm going to take a look at it, but most likely it won't happen.

For get about windows on the streak 7.... It would make more sense to have full ubuntu on this tablet...
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For get about windows on the streak 7.... It would make more sense to have full ubuntu on this tablet...
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agreed...

Thorough there is no Arm version of windows 8 at this moment it will have one mobile version, microsoft work on it ( for getting inside mobile market )
concerning Drivers , like other windows version , drivers are inside because it supporte tegra 3 , so tegra 2 also ( i suppose that , no source)
So yes I think you can .
Question is : How to put it on.
But i join precedent post , i prefer have android 3.2 ( and i would want test 4 if i find tutorial to do it ,thanks if you mp me links ) wich is designed for this wonderful tab ( yes i love it ! but damned I hate the browser installed, and stil no chrome available ...sigh )
I m french man so ... sorry for my poor , bad , ugly english . ( don't report me i do my best ! )

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If you are that desperate for windows on the dell streak 7 look into windows embedded or windows compact embedded (more than likely the one you want) then theme it to look and work like win8 although you will have all kinds of problems with it initially but hey at least its progress... also win8 (yes the RT variant too I believe) is locked to utilise the touch screen features on display ratio's greater than 1366x768 although that could probably be changed with registry patches, so unless you could get it on the streak 7 with native OTG support then you may have some luck if you manage to port the RT variant to the streak in the first place...
TLDR: probably a fair bit of work pulling it from an RT device first then even more pushing it to another

Windows 8 RT (ARM VERSION) will be coming out soon, on the Surface Tab. I'm sure a port of it is going to be possible, maybe not for this device but for other Android devices in the near future.
Hopefully someone will dedicate their time to porting Windows 8 RT onto this device.

ikutoisahobo said:
Windows 8 RT (ARM VERSION) will be coming out soon, on the Surface Tab. I'm sure a port of it is going to be possible, maybe not for this device but for other Android devices in the near future.
Hopefully someone will dedicate their time to porting Windows 8 RT onto this device.
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the same was said about WP7, never saw it on any device that was released without it already

Nocturnal_50 said:
the same was said about WP7, never saw it on any device that was released without it already
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But it has worked the other way around. In which you were able to install Android on a Windows phone

ikutoisahobo said:
But it has worked the other way around. In which you were able to install Android on a Windows phone
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that may be the case, but not valid for this argument as nobody has ported wp7 to a device which it wasnt natively designed for.. windows is closed source for the most part, android is open source apart from the odd drivers (majority of OEMs withholding some/most information and/or kernel source) may as well make use of win8 embedded seeing as it is now out

Win8 RT won't be available as a separate system. It will only run on the devices where it is preinstalled by manufacturer. The chance you can run it on another device is pretty close to zero.
But the strongest point - why would anyone want it? A system which is heavilly locked, has no apps, no options to customize, almost no support from developers and apparently no future.
I would appreciate if I could run Ubuntu on my Dell Streak 7. That would turn it into a next generation device with the ability to use all desktop Linux applications.

javlada said:
Win8 RT won't be available as a separate system. It will only run on the devices where it is preinstalled by manufacturer. The chance you can run it on another device is pretty close to zero.
But the strongest point - why would anyone want it? A system which is heavilly locked, has no apps, no options to customize, almost no support from developers and apparently no future.
I would appreciate if I could run Ubuntu on my Dell Streak 7. That would turn it into a next generation device with the ability to use all desktop Linux applications.
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win8 embedded has ARM support for the teg' series, you may wanna do some R&D before jumping the gun

Nocturnal_50 said:
win8 embedded has ARM support for the teg' series, you may wanna do some R&D before jumping the gun
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I know that, but what does it have in common with my post? The chipset is not the only HW on a PC/tablet.

javlada said:
I know that, but what does it have in common with my post? The chipset is not the only HW on a PC/tablet.
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RT and embedded are completely different, RT wont be run on "custom class" devices while embedded will, that is why you wont see slot machines running anything apart from windows embedded..... which of course you can run unsigned drivers on (extra win factor) so that pesky luna driver wont be an issue if someone decompiles and converts to win

A idea I had to getting win8 running was to install backtrack5 and then run win8 on a VM through vituralbox inside BT5. Only things stopping me at the moment from testing it is getting the mount points swapped around for the system and SD card; because BT5 the VirtualBox and win8 would all need about 17-18GB of room total. As soon as I get them swapped and everything installed I'll give it a try and report back.

I havnt had a chance to check the device manager on a Surface RT, but likely the largest hurdles for win8 on any arm device:
Bootloader: The Surface RT (and likely all windows RT devices) uses UEFI, and all android tablets do not.
Windows RT is essentially Win8core/arm with things removed vs the x86 and x64 versions.
I would expect that it takes advantage of UEFI services during bootup, and we would essentially need a uefi bootloader ported to the S7.
Ram: Win8 doesnt like 512mb ram, arm or not. If we could hypothetically boot it, it would likely not run well.
Display: The S7 has a 800x480 display, which means that all "metro" apps will not run, and as winRT currently has no third party apps, it would be completely crippled.
Drivers: I didnt get a chance to poke around winRT's device manager, but some components may already have drivers.
I would expect that it's like win8/x86 and win8/x64 in that it just needs a working driver and it does not need to be tailored to the specific device.
(for example: if you have the win8/arm driver for a broadcom BCM4330 wifi card, it will work for all winRT devices that use it)
If we hypothecially were able to install winRT, we would likely have no touchscreen drivers and battery drivers.
Also the tegra2 likely wouldnt have platform drivers while the tegra3 does.
Even if you were able to write your own drivers, winRT might require drivers to be signed and there might be no way to disable signature verification on winRT.
I expect that windows update can deliver driver updates in the same way as win8/x86/x64.
WinRT is essentially a "desktop os" and not a "mobile os," you can even repartition a surface RT from within windows like you would expect on win8/x86/x64
On android you could use repartition a live device, but it's simply not designed for it.
Just because it's install media isnt available means very little to us, this is true for wp7 and somewhat true for android.
Granted: if we could run winRT, i'd definitely use it (even if it was crippled by the lack of "metro" apps). Not all of us want desktop linux and would rather stop using the device if we were forced to choose.

looks like win8 embedded is the next best thing if anyone is really that desperate for win8... even then its an issue of drivers

I think it would be better and easier to get ubuntu native on the streak if you want a desktop environment.
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WP8 custom rom on older devices.

Since now we know MS will not be supporting older devices for wp8 upgrde, is it possible that a custom rom be made to run on older devices?

I dont think so, sadly. because windows phone 8 will be configured for at least dual core i suspect, only rom we might get is a tango like rom (think lumia 610) not capable of running all apps.

Theelichtje said:
I dont think so, sadly. because windows phone 8 will be configured for at least dual core i suspect, only rom we might get is a tango like rom (think lumia 610) not capable of running all apps.
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so its not possible at all?

It was announced yesterday so i suggest you wait for leaked roms so that devs can take a look.. sit tight.. no one can anwser you for sure what will happen in the future.. for me i'll get a new phone anyway

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Not sure yet! The rom is not available still so we can't be sure of anything....once it releases lets just hope the DFT team releases a rom

hope it can be ported over. just like how they ported wp7 to Hd2

i dont see why it cant be ported. unless the bare minimum is dual core. but I doubt they let go of the cheaper market. with that being said i believe we will see a port to the htc devices like the hd7 because it actually has a sd slot.
the cpu support would be the largest of our problems. drivers are what windows is know for. a newer kernal without the correct drivers may leave us stranded on 7.8 but not tango. our devices are on parr with newer genration wp7 but lack camera features. so EXPECT 7.8!

explisiv said:
i dont see why it cant be ported. unless the bare minimum is dual core. but I doubt they let go of the cheaper market. with that being said i believe we will see a port to the htc devices like the hd7 because it actually has a sd slot.
the cpu support would be the largest of our problems. drivers are what windows is know for. a newer kernal without the correct drivers may leave us stranded on 7.8 but not tango. our devices are on parr with newer genration wp7 but lack camera features. so EXPECT 7.8!
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wp8 runs on scalable cpu architecture. means the 2nd core can be switched off.
so Theorertically it runs on single core if no heavy load is present

[Q] List of phones ported to WP8

In the search for a new phone, I was wondering what phones already have been ported to WP8. Does anyone know where to find a list of phones that has been ported, in particular, to WP8?

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No phones have had Windows Phone 8 ported on them AFAIK.
Here is a list of genuine WP8 devices.
Also Windows Phone 8.1 is due for release this month so there will shortly be new handsets announced.

You can argue that the ATIV S is basically a Galaxy S3 with WP8 instead of Android, but they still aren't exactly the same (though very, very close).
Also, you port an OS (or any other kind of software) to a platform (such as a phone), not the other way around...

does windowphone8 ported on HD7?

Its not possible to port WP8 on any device.

Petulinek said:
Its not possible to port WP8 on any device.
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Actually, when WP8 was first released, a group of developers ported Windows Phone 8 to the HTC HD2, but it was never released because of multiple issues (storage was one I think)

Considering that the HD2 doesn't even reach the RAM of the minimum, low-memory WP8 handsets, I'm not surprised. It also wouldn't be very fast, single core at 1GHz.
Still, it's impressive that they managed at all. Not a single one of the platforms that the HD2 (or anything like it) was built to support run NT...

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Considering that the HD2 doesn't even reach the RAM of the minimum, low-memory WP8 handsets, I'm not surprised. It also wouldn't be very fast, single core at 1GHz.
Still, it's impressive that they managed at all. Not a single one of the platforms that the HD2 (or anything like it) was built to support run NT...
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Hi GDTD, I think you're right, but what about the new MS's choice of decreasing the minimum rewuisites for its machines?
I'm not an expert, but I think it would be applied also for wp8