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is it me or is it the rom developments for incs has slowed down significantly?
i dont see any new roms popping up.. most of the recently active roms have slowed down too.. are we getting left behind?
think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.
I think the main cause is 'android fragmentation'. You may have heard of this term before. There's too many android devices, each further HTC device release caused all of us to separate into different development sections.
Back in the G1, Nexus one days it was much easier since there were relatively few devices..
Now all the new stuff's out, lots of people want to jump to Galaxy Nexus, so on.
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think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.
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The funny thing is dual core doesn't offer much improvement over the single, it seems like a lot of hype going on over nothing. probably over 3/4th or I dare say 90+% of the market is still written for single core applications.
I have the asus transformer 1 and most times I feel like performance is on par if not the same with the IncS, but when compared to my HTC Flyer (View) it feels much speedier since it's got a 1.5Ghz clock speed, the extra 500mhz shows sometimes. It takes heavy games like Shadowgun to see the difference between all devices, which can't be seen much in general surfing and regular phone related app use.
This is one thing that Apple has the advantage to in their gameplay strategy for devs, since they keep the releases specific, once a year. Development of their devices can be pooled and properly 'coordinated' without them moving onto different branches due to hardware, SoC, camera issues and so on.
Agree, if the first ICS HTC ROMs are leaked, development will gain momentum.
Right now, lots of work is spent on getting the camera working in ICS AOSP.
also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.
Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.
Somehow, I missed that thread. I tend to not really read the index in general section often but I read the index of the dev section frequently.
I'm trying to jumpstart some action into the IncS, may not be much, but I have been building CM7.2 kangs and in the middle of testing building a CM9 kang, see how it goes.
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Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.
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i seemed to have missed his thread. will go over and take a look now
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also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.
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i understand that, but the point that i want to point out here is that is our device getting left behind? im already thinking whether to sell my incs off and get a sensation instead but thinking back how hard nik and the guys worked so hard, it held me back for a moment
So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .
hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881
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So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .
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lol ORD. not that man.. it's just that i see new roms popping out in the dhd section and the people there are always active and they never sleep. just wondering how can the dhd (old phone) be more popular than incs (newer) lol
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hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881
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i saw it bro. im pretty much worked up right now haha~ cant wait to try it!
There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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Amen bro!
I'm with you in every word you said!
+1 for your post.
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There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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It's like you said =)
Sometimes you don't need a lot of things to have a great experience.
I remember back in the LG P500 days, there was only one rom and one kernel and the thing was fantastic.Even later new tweaks came,new roms,new kernels but the simpler ones were the best.
I like very much nikhil007mmus's work and Virtuous Team work, both very stable and fast.
I even suggested nikhil007mmus to talk with Francisco Franco to share some ideas to make even greater kernels for our device (kernel devs, don't get me wrong, I am not saying your work is bad, I don't even test it, but what I do know is that this man makes GREAT kernels, with great performance,great battery life and it keeps them simple.I tested his kernels in the P500 (Wich made the thing fast as hell (For a 600MHz device of course) and in the Nexus S (I got 2 full days of battery life with wifi,3g,lots of calls,etc etc and fast as hell).
Hope it get's even better here =)
Problem is the Incredible S was not a popular phone to begin among devs. Not like the Nexus One, Desire HD, Sensation and Galaxy S II.
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The bad and nice thing of HTC phones is, they have a bunch of devices with practically nearly identical internal HW. Thus you don't actually really need that many devs on one device in particular. The way I see it, quality is way more important, we already have Android fragmentation like some say, now we also have custom ROM fragmentation . All Sense 3.5 roms failed for me when toggling data. It would not be that much of a problem on Samsung as they don't disable data during call, but HTC do, and sometimes after call data doesn't come up which is a major problem for me as I need auto-sync for a bunch of services and it is the most annoying bug of all. I wish devs collaborated more for less ROMs but better quality. It also means less duplicated effort.
For now I'm using a ROM Cleaned ARHD 2.1.3 with Ultra Smooth Rosie, batt mod, odexed, and some tweaks in init.d. It's smooth like butter and I think that I can be happy until whenever ICS comes out, unless some Sense 3.5 custom ROM devs fixed the bug above. Just use your phone, the best is yet to come. And if you're too trigger happy buy Samsung GSII to flash around and chaotic development. My brother has one and I am actually the one modding it for him. It's insanely fast yet I do not want it (because of aesthetic, functional reasons and knowing what is enough) even though I can afford it.
I have been reading a bunch of HTC One vs S4 threads and been watching them. And I feel like everyone is making the comparisons on each stock, which makes sense. But I was wondering which is better when rooted and both having a custom rom and kernel. Since I know that having a custom rom and kernel can make the overall performance better.
For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
Thanks guys And if there is a thread like this comparing the roms and kernels of each device against each other, then post a link and I can ask to close this thread.
Posted this in the S4 forum as well to have opinions on both sides and not just on one side, which isn't fair.
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I have been reading a bunch of HTC One vs S4 threads and been watching them. And I feel like everyone is making the comparisons on each stock, which makes sense. But I was wondering which is better when rooted and both having a custom rom and kernel. Since I know that having a custom rom and kernel can make the overall performance better.
For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
Thanks guys And if there is a thread like this comparing the roms and kernels of each device against each other, then post a link and I can ask to close this thread.
Posted this in the S4 forum as well to have opinions on both sides and not just on one side, which isn't fair.
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It's not different at alllllllllllll.
It's not allowed, and everyone here will say the HTC One.
There's no point to this, promotes arguments and trolling. Don't start it.
All your questions require knowledge and use of both phones. I know a few people have both but a lot of people here haven't spent £1000 on 2 phones, so will only own the HTC One. Therefore the S4 answers will be a load of crap
I am getting tired of reading about comparisons and threads turning into arguments because of such issues. Bottom line is, devices should be fairly compared on a stock basis and not with custom ROMs or kernels. There are benchmark tests and others available online, just use Google and you'll find everything you're looking for. They are both great devices and that competition in the latest technology, features and market price are what make the world of smartphones better, which in turn benefits us.
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For Example, people were complaining about the lag on the S4 so they switched to the One. But I feel like if those people would've have rooted it and put a custom rom or kernel, it might have helped the lag.
So which device do you guys think is better with custom rom and kernel improvements?
Which one has a bigger improvement with custom roms and kernels?
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This is not different. Please use the search feature and ask your question in an already existing thread.
To answer your questions though, I switched from the HTC One(running TrickDroid/ARHD, Bulletproof kernel) to the Galaxy S4(running WanamLite, ktoonz kernel) and now back to the HTC One(ARHD, Beastmode kernel). The HTC One has, by far, been the better experience. It's smoother, faster, and more responsive than my S4--on top of that, I actually used the "unique" features of the One(Blinkfeed, Zoe, etc) whereas on the SGS4 in an effort to smooth it out, I turned most of it's "unique" features off. Overall, I found most of it's "unique" features to be very gimmicky.
Here's what it comes down to: Neither phone is better than the other. There is no "best" phone. The closest you can get is picking a phone that has the features YOU want and that are important to YOU.
Currently have a Xperia SP, but need a little extra money in my wallet and just to add another reason, in all honestly there isn't enough ROM support for me personally, and i'm not one to wait
Thinking about getting this OR the HTC Sensation...
Seen the great ROM support for this phone, so would like to know a few questions if you wouldn't mind taking the time to help me
What is the camera quality like? (xperia SP is awful in this department)
Is it a "fast" phone? any really noticeable lag?
if the phone is locked to a network can you still unlock the bootloader? (Xperia's tend to not let you if you are locked to a network 99% of time)
and would you choose this over the sensation? I mainly play a few games, browse internet and text..... OH and install ROMS.
Thank you
I can not compare models and I might have other needs than you (I am not a gamer). But considered the age of this phone, an used one can not be expensive, and there are some great fast and stable ROMs out there and there is ongoing development.
Furthermore, it is impossible to brick: you can change bootloader (it can not be locked), ROM and kernel as much as you like and there are excellent tools for doing so. Try to look at my post here.
You have to understand, it is not a state of the art phone, and in order to use all features (BT and HDMI-output), you will probably have to run a ROM based on an older CM version. Please note that CM has not released stable versions since CM7.2, and will not, but some have managed to modify CM10-CM10.2 to run on p990.
I am very happy with the phone and like to follow development on this forum!
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Currently have a Xperia SP, but need a little extra money in my wallet and just to add another reason, in all honestly there isn't enough ROM support for me personally, and i'm not one to wait
Thinking about getting this OR the HTC Sensation...
Seen the great ROM support for this phone, so would like to know a few questions if you wouldn't mind taking the time to help me
What is the camera quality like? (xperia SP is awful in this department)
Is it a "fast" phone? any really noticeable lag?
if the phone is locked to a network can you still unlock the bootloader? (Xperia's tend to not let you if you are locked to a network 99% of time)
and would you choose this over the sensation? I mainly play a few games, browse internet and text..... OH and install ROMS.
Thank you
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Here are my 2 cents. The main problem that plagues this otherwise quite likeable device is the RAM, or lack thereof. CPU as well as GPU are quite powerful despite being almost 3 years old.
Though one thing that goes in its favour, as you rightly mentioned, is the support of awesome developers. Guys like pengus77, tonyp, jishnu, sreeprajay, spyrosk & all the usual suspects have done such a awesome job of the utilizing every single ounce of its potential to the fullest.
It's usually fast as long as you manage your resources well. Don't allow too many services chewing precious RAM in the background. Using apps like "Greenify" comes quite handy to achieve the same.
Still, not a bad device to tinker around as long as one doesn't set his expectations a bit too high. Personally, I would suggest you to choose Sensation over this primarily for more available RAM. Having said that, Sensation has its own fair share of issues too like the infamous "death grip".
Basically choose your poison
Sorry to interrupt, but i'm in the same situation. Just changed my phone, and i like this one a lot more than a newer Samsung.
I'm looking for a rom, anything above CM7.2, preferrable 10.x at least with HDMI, BT and WiFi hotspot working.
I have flashed about 5 roms on the above CM10.x and everyone is missing a different thing, be it camera, BT or WiFi hotspot, even battery eating issues. (why no one makes a full one?)
And all lack HDMI.
I would use even a rom based on ICS if it has everything on it's place.
Altough, i really liked the new lock screen on CM10.2 meanwhile overclocking and Kowalsky opened a few doors.
Does anyone know of any mostly stable rom closest to this?
Which would be the newest ROM of any flavor with everything working and no battery issues?
I tried quite a few ROMs & here's my set-up. The best so far I could find in terms of performance, stability & battery life was pengus77's "Unofficial CM 10 ROM" coupled with his own Kowalski M1 Stable Kernel.
Though being primarily a CM10 based ROM which is a derivative of 4.1.2, it will not have lock screen widgets if that's the thing you really care about. As far as camera is concerned, I use jishnu sur's camera mod.
Thanks for your answer and my apologies for the thread opener for the kidnap.
I dont care much for the lockscreen widgets. Is just something that could be helpful.
I'm having real trouble with battery life when 3g enabled, overnight my battery drop about 1%, today i enabled 3g and tt went down by almost 30% in only 2 hours. Quite dissapointing issue.
By any chance do you know where could i find more info. about HDMI not working issue? I can't believe that no one ported the driver or worked it out since it appeared.
Frankly, I have neither tested HDMI out function nor it has any real world use in my case. My best guess is it'll work with Stock based Custom ROMs & stock ROM itself of course. You may test it out with Pengus77's ROM if it works.
why don't you want to downgrade to another better phone, for example to Xperia M it's really cheaper and much better than Optimus 2x.
Up top, this isn't a "best ROM" or "what should I run" sort of thread. It's also a topic that can easily provoke rage so please don't think that I'm trying to convince anyone of one thing or another. This is just me being curious.
After starting with Android a few years ago, I've noticed an increasing amount of "flashing fatigue" setting in lately. Sure, I'll root (because I have a lot of utility apps that require root), but the appeal of custom ROMs is fading fast. The Google Edition port was my latest (and longest standing) ROM for my One, and before that I'd tried one or two stock-derivative ROMs (save one bad AOSP experience back when we had sleep of death going on). I'm back to stock now, and trying a "fuller" experience (no launcher replacement, etc.-- minus root, again, for some XPosed tweaks like disabling the NFC icon).
This phone's now been out a while, so I'm curious: how many of you have "settled down" so to speak on one side or the other?
The first Android I owned was an Epic 4G and then Epic 4G Touch. Both left a ton to be deaired from a software standpoint and I easily flashed 3 dozen or more different roms between those two phones.
Flash forward to the HTC One and I've never felt the need to leave the stock ROM. I do use the Google Experience Launcher and have replaces some of the stock apps with better versions from 3rd party devs, but honestly I don't really see a point. Performance, battery life and functionality all seem to have hit a perfect balance with this phone. And like you suggested, the fatigue of flashing is really heavy these days especially since I'm not looking to fix a flaw or add a feature. Although once a working KitKat ROM hits us I will probably root and flash just to get a feel. Though admittedly I've always found the bone stock look of Android to be lacking visually.
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The very first phone I flashed over to a custom firmware was the LG G2X from T-Mobile. The android experience on that phone was very tasteless and bloated. Support from LG was less than non-existent. I found that I couldn't really stand using the phone on stock so I flashed a few different roms until I landed on eaglesblood. Although there was a lot broken on eaglesblood, I found it an upgrade to stock. Fast forward like Adam described and I have been on the HTC One for nearly 6 months. In that time I have flashed perhaps a few custom roms. In the end, I reverted back to stock. The One is a solid phone from both a software and hardware stand-point. I find myself checking my BlinkFeed a few times an hour and if I am on a senseless ROM I feel lost without it.
Tl;dr I have no need to ever leave stock. Stock rooted is good enough for me.
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I've been running RageOne and have found it to be more than enough from what I need for my HTC one
Same here. I started with Hero, then Evo Shift, Evo 3D, Evo 4G LTE and now The One. I previously always rooted and flashed multiple roms until found one that like and stable enough for daily use. With the One, I honestly haven't done nothing to it. I find it prefect for everyday use. No problem was so ever. At times I feel weird because I never had an HTC or android phone for less than a week without rooting it and etc, but with the One no need since good as is.
I know also pending amount of developers we have currently since most leave to develop in other phones or carrier based phone model is what we can choose from roms available which is less than the other carrier model.
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The HTC One is my first non Nexus smartphone, so dealing with all the bloat that comes with Sense and stock has been hard for me. When I was using my Nexus S 4G I used Slim Rom and loved it for its minimal nature and stuck with it. Slim bean 4.3 stable has been a great rom for me, though now that the 4.4 builds are out I've found them more suitable for a daily driver. Slimkat is awesome and I personally cant wait for it to reach stable. Minimal is my cup of tea, add in Google Experience Launcher and I'm one happy guy.
I had a Hero, then a whole bunch of Shift4G's. Rooted all of those because I could make them noticeably faster, increase the battery life, and get rid of apps I didn't use.
With the One, it's already fast enough that I wouldn't notice an increase much. The battery life is great for the way I use it, I recently had a stretch that was nearly 40 hours off the charger (obviously I didn't use it a heck of a lot during that time). And being able to hide the apps I don't want from the app drawer means I forget they're even there. Because of that, I haven't seen a good reason to put a different ROM on this phone...yet
First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)
This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.
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This is why I'm done with custom ROMs. I get all I need from stock KK + Xposed. Haven't flashed a ROM (as a daily driver) in almost 2 years.
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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK
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First off, let me preface this by saying that I appreciate all of the hard work and time by the devs/volunteers here, and they give us some pretty cool things.
It just seems that no matter what rom I try, it has a bug or 2 that may not keep me from enjoying my phone, but it keeps creeping. Even the so-called stable KK still has growing pains. Is it possible for a rom to be completely stable? (aka, at least as stable as stock) Or is the nature of roms always going to be a bit behind from a standpoint of stability?
I have yet to try a rom (been doing this for 3 yrs) that has been 100% (stock) stable. I can use most roms just fine though, and again, this is not a slight on the devs and those who work hard. But let's be honest, an already flawed Lollipop must be a pain to get make a custom rom from. Am I alone? Btw, I'm back on stock for now, as it works fine. But will be waiting patiently for the awesome devs to figure it out. (and yes, I realize there must be testing for things to get better)
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imo yeah. tis why I went back to stock 4.4.4 and GravityBox. No issues since then. None. Zero. Roms not worth fiddling with IMO. too many bugs trying to figure out if it's the app, the kernel, the ROM...I will do custom kernels but...no more than that.
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It's not soo much the roms. Stock lollipop is bugged from Google as it's relatively new so hasn't had everything ironed out yet like the older KK
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Good point.
I think its all in what type of bugs you get. I've seen bugs even on stock roms, custom roms give you those options where stock falls short. I do however think Xposed is a good way to possibly fix some of those issues
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4 stock updates from Google within 3-4 months (and we still expect bugs...). How could we have 100% stable custom roms?
Anyways custom roms are stable enough to enjoy my phone and it's way better than stock
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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm not bitter about it lol, just got tired of flashing new ROMs all the time. It's nothing against the devs, they do some really great work, I just now prefer the dependability of stock. It was the original Moto X that changed my habits.
It's software, by definition it will have bugs.
The question is whether or not you can live with a particular ROM's set of unique bugs.
I've been running an old (Oct. 2014) CM11 nightly because it mostly gives me what I want without undue grief (weird reboots, battery drain, etc).
It's far from perfect, it won't play nice 100% with my car head end just to list one thing (BT bug, seems to be fixed in CM12).
I play around with other ROMs using MultiROM, but always come back to the old CM11.
I'm quite happy there is such an assortment to try, imagine how unhappy you would be if there was only one and it had a major (in your opinion) bug.
I don't think it's possible to get rid of all bugs ever. Its an os that is working with constantly changing apps and devices. But, I use cataclysm as my dd with elementalx and I don't notice any bugs. Im sure they are there, they just don't affect me with my particular usage.
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Ahhh, Metalhead. I like the name, as it's my mantra for the last 40 yrs. Anyway, you seem bitter about it, as other things.
I'm just trying to get some real feedback about how people feel. Thanks Metal, noted.
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I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You are aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.
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I'm totally agree with @_MetalHead_. I've came to Nexus, because I was tired to flash my Xperias with custom ROMs an CMs., thought I still think that Sonys hardware is supperior than the LG and Acer one.
Sure that all of custom ROMs have bug or two. But that is because Google have all bunch off developers that are fully employed to make stock android. You should be aware, that custom ROMs here are made by individuals or small group enthusiasts. And that is. As man grows, he more and more prefer bitter chocolate than the sweet one. Sweet one is for children. And offcourse, we both enjoy.
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That's funny, I used to hate dark chocolate as a kid and now I prefer it.
They all have bugs. Every ROM I've used stock or custom has had bugs. Though staying stock or staying with the stable builds by the big name teams yielded the most stable experience for me. If someone flashes weeklies/nightlies and does not expect a bug or two they're doing it wrong. Main thing is finding something you as a user can live with.
It's funny that I just opened XDA 5 minutes ago to search for people's opinions about completely stable custom roms and I immediately came across this thread. I guess I will keep my phone stock and try Xposed for the first time when it's available.
I was done with flashing and experimenting with my Galaxy S2 a while ago after I realized there wasn't a perfect rom. But it's tempting though now I have a Nexus phone..
Send from the Matrix
I wondered about this, reading about what devs have deal with what googles supplies over time.
I tried Cataclysm lollipop and that's really close to being a solid rom but the bugs from google really make it frustrating to use as a daily rom, poor ram management and lockups, the inabilty to multi task without redrawing.
from a consumers point of view you expect lollipop to be an improvement over kitkat,
Switched back to kitkat and didn't realised how good and battery friendly It is.
This is why I stayed with nexus,the closet thing to a stable phone, will wait for 5.1 before I update.
Yes they are. In the lollipop updates on unofficial cm roms I'm still getting camera bug and the voip bug where I can't be heard on a headset. They appear after a few hours to weeks. Happend on a nighty today so Sent logcat in. Lollipop shouldn't have been released in the mess it's in. It's laughable that a couple of pple cherry picking from roms will do anything other than incorporate the bugs. There is a Golden rule here # devs can do no wrong and you can't put them down# cherry pickers are not developing anything imo. They merge others work, sometimes producing a better rom than the original, granted, but fixing problems. They have no idea 90%of the time. 10%are more skilled. But if google with hundreds of coders can't get it right what chance have independent roms? Look at the official lollipop CM. Still on nightlys and will be when 5.1 comes.
I run roms until a bug crops in and won't go which breaks something I need. Them on to the next. Bigsys?? K K roms were the closest to perfection. Fast and fluid.
Kernels is another thing, for another day..
While they may be less than perfect, from what I've been reading the Nexus 5 may be skipping 5.1 and going directly to 5.2
Sent from my Nexus 5
People are less than perfect by nature so that being said ,art imitates life as.
well as android 5.0 and above
From my point of view, even the stock ROM has its own flaws and sometimes it gets resolved a few revisions/versions later. On a custom ROM, it tends to be resolved pretty quickly provided the developer is actively monitoring user feedback and supporting it.
I'll usually only look for custom ROMs which focuses on staying as stock as possible while improving its speed and stability, I'll try to stay away from ROMs that offers a lot of other additional features which may or may not break another thing or two.