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Apps can't use / don't see 8GB internal storage. Why?

Only had the NC for a couple days. However, after some searching I'm still at a loss over this issue. I apologize if this is a well know issue that I've glossed over somehow. I used AutoNooter 2.12.18 on 12/23 after applying the 1.0.1 update. I assume this typical behavior unless something went wrong. Everything would be appear to be fine otherwise.
Why do apps like DropBox, Awesome Drop etc ignore the internal storage option?
Is there any known workaround to get these apps to use the internal storage?
Is purchasing an External MicroSD card the only way to make these apps work?

DId you let the nook format the DS card after rooting?
edit: Thought you had an SD card installed. I thought there was only 5gb of usable storage. At least when going to settings that is all I have ever seen even on a stock nc.

epakrat75 said:
Only had the NC for a couple days. However, after some searching I'm still at a loss over this issue. I apologize if this is a well know issue that I've glossed over somehow. I used AutoNooter 2.12.18 on 12/23 after applying the 1.0.1 update. I assume this typical behavior unless something went wrong. Everything would be appear to be fine otherwise.
Why do apps like DropBox, Awesome Drop etc ignore the internal storage option?
Is there any known workaround to get these apps to use the internal storage?
Is purchasing an External MicroSD card the only way to make these apps work?
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Unfrotunately, i cannot help too much with the drop box question, i but i can give some insight on the internal storage.
There is an 8GB chip, but it is partitioned in a few ways. There is a 5GB partition that is user accessible and is what you see when you connect the computer to the nook. TO the system however, this is the /media folder (using astro explorer, you can see this; navigate to the top directory, and if you open the /media folder, you will see what normally mounts on your computer).
Now, we also have an abnormally large /data partition - 1GB infact. We can install a huge number of apps. /system has 450mb and cache has 350mb - bringing us close to the formatted 8GB internal chip.
So, stepping back to your question - if you can point Dropbox (or the like) at a specific folder, point it to /media, and you will have your 5GB of storage.

That all makes sense now. It's how the partitions are setup on the internal storage that's throwing the apps off. That also explains another question I had why Astro initially showed nothing until I navigated elsewhere.

[Q] Quick Q: How much storage available for apps on Streak 7?

Frustrated Archos 70 user here. How much space is available to install apps on the stock Dell Streak 7 rom? I'm thinking of flipping my A70 for a Streak 7 mainly because the A70 only allows for 300mb of apps (unless you want to void your warranty).
Thanks, all.

thiazzi said:
Frustrated Archos 70 user here. How much space is available to install apps on the stock Dell Streak 7 rom? I'm thinking of flipping my A70 for a Streak 7 mainly because the A70 only allows for 300mb of apps (unless you want to void your warranty).
Thanks, all.
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16 GB, and get Apps2sd pro you can move apps to a SD card.

I would like a2ext because some apps still wont move and they are big
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The /data partition (used for apps & userdata) is 1.9G, I have a ton of crap installed and 1.3G free, and all of my apps are installed to the internal /data (no a2sd here).

daveid said:
The /data partition (used for apps & userdata) is 1.9G, I have a ton of crap installed and 1.3G free, and all of my apps are installed to the internal /data (no a2sd here).
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Thanks! This was precisely the info I was looking for.

I use appmonster to move games and other non-essential apps over to the "internal sd" card.
I haven't run into any memory issues.

I have been bouncing around looking for a good 7" tablet WiFi only. Looked at several and keep seeing this 16GB internal SD vs app/data. So if I understand correctly you get roughly 1.9GB of available data/app storage with a 16GB SD card (built in) and the apps auto store to the built in card or do you move them as you normally do with Froyo?
I noticed it takes a full sized SDXC card which is odd but that would be for movies and heavy content is my guess.
Does this sound about right?

RaptorMD said:
I have been bouncing around looking for a good 7" tablet WiFi only. Looked at several and keep seeing this 16GB internal SD vs app/data. So if I understand correctly you get roughly 1.9GB of available data/app storage with a 16GB SD card (built in) and the apps auto store to the built in card or do you move them as you normally do with Froyo?
I noticed it takes a full sized SDXC card which is odd but that would be for movies and heavy content is my guess.
Does this sound about right?
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all apps default to that 1.9gb of storage, but I move ones that aren't system necessary (like launcher pro) to the internal sd card using appmonster. I'll check in a bit and see how much actual storage I am using.
I am using my 16gb sd card (actually a micro with adapter, didn't realize it was a full size, could have saved some money), for movies/ t.v. shows.

[Q] Internal Memory Location

I am not sure where to find the full 16GB of storage available on the Vivid. When I look at the folder structure I see an sdcard and sdcard2. Sdcard seems to be internal storae and has 8GB available. Sdcard2 is my external SD card. Does anyone knbow where the orthe 8GB of space is? Maybe I am lookin at this wrong and missing something obvious.

I am going to assume you installed apps already? Those will take up part on the phones internal storage. If you have loaded music and videos it is quite possible you loaded them onto the internal storage as well. Also you will never see a Full 16gb worth of storage availability because if I recall correctly it shares some of that storage for the OS.

cyber_pete said:
I am not sure where to find the full 16GB of storage available on the Vivid. When I look at the folder structure I see an sdcard and sdcard2. Sdcard seems to be internal storae and has 8GB available. Sdcard2 is my external SD card. Does anyone knbow where the orthe 8GB of space is? Maybe I am lookin at this wrong and missing something obvious.
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The phone is using 4gb for apps and 8gb for sd card storage. Obviously you know that we won't get the whole 16gb to use.
Here is a screenshot for the apps:
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OTB I was showing 9GB Phone memory, 4GB Internal storage and 3.15GB left on my 32GB microSD card.

Hmm now that I actually went back and looked I do see what you mean. When connected to PC the available storage is 8.83 GB. What you need to remember is that Sense takes up an extraordinarily large amount of space compared to say Stock Android or pretty much any other version of Android out there. So my guess is once we see a CM7 or an Optimized Sense Rom we won't be able to access more than what we have right now. Kinda does throw you for a loop though when they "Say" 16GB worth of Internal Storage and Don't include an SD Card to compensate for the "Lie".

SGS2 has 16GB and you get 11.3GB. Not to mention a reset doesnt wipe the 11.3GB while the Vivid does wipe its 8.83GB.
So I am not sure that Sense takes up that much more space than touch wiz.
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Thanks for the responses guys. I realized after I posted that I hadn't even looked at the data partition. I expected a certain amount of spece to be eaten up by the OS but not 8GB. It makes much mor sense now.

The internal space is actually partitioned into three: 3GB for apps, 8GB as "sdcard", and the remaining 4GB are a system partition.

Why can't I save apps on my internal SD card?

Why does my Captivate only limit me to having 2GB of space for apps? I'm not using an external SD card and I want to install my apps onto my internal SD card or atleast move them there.

It's been a while since I have been on a stock ROM so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you can move at least some of the apps by going to settings / applications and then, in the individual application settings, select "Move to SD."
I know you can't move widgets or alarm applications because they will break if they aren't on internal memory, but you should be able to move games, etc. with no problem.

Move to SD was not available on Eclair... what are you running?
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I'm on 2.2 right now. There is an option to move to SD but it only moves it to external SD not the internal one. It's split up into 3 sections
Internal Memory
Internal SD Card(I want apps to go here)
External SD card

muh316 said:
I'm on 2.2 right now. There is an option to move to SD but it only moves it to external SD not the internal one. It's split up into 3 sections
Internal Memory
Internal SD Card(I want apps to go here)
External SD card
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Ah, now I understand. I never had enough apps on Froyo to play with moving them but shooting from the hip, have you tried removing your external card and see if it will let you move them then? If not, I know that there are apps2sd applications on the market that should help you, but I haven't used any of them to give you a recommendation.

apbthe3 said:
Ah, now I understand. I never had enough apps on Froyo to play with moving them but shooting from the hip, have you tried removing your external card and see if it will let you move them then? If not, I know that there are apps2sd applications on the market that should help you, but I haven't used any of them to give you a recommendation.
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I've used all of those methods and none work.

Did you find solution? I have same situation here, it's pretty weird internal SD could only be stored with application data instead of application itself.

I'm almost positive that you can't move apps to your "internal SD card" regardless of whether or not you have an external sd card installed.
My understanding is that you can only move apps to the external SD card (at least that's how it's been on any ROM I've ever used)

why... Why! WHY!!! . . . oh >.>
muh316 said:
Why does my Captivate only limit me to having 2GB of space for apps? I'm not using an external SD card and I want to install my apps onto my internal SD card or atleast move them there.
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Why you ask...
Well simple, your limited to only 2GB because this size was choosen by phone manufacturors years ago when they were first designing the phone.
Consider that most of the phones in use back when 2.2 was released did not, for the full storage potential, even have the 2GB that we have just for apps (16GB in total). Heck most did not even have 1GB (I think 512MB was the standard). There was no separation between app storage and other media. This lead to users running out of space for both rather quickly. The solution then was to find use for the external SD as it could be as large as 32GB of storage.
The whole "internal SD" thing was thought up because it seemed wise to separate app storage from media storage. Also back when 2.2 was first released we did not have such massive apps as on the market today, so 2GB was plenty of any and all user (excluding the ppl who felt a need to have 200+ user apps...)
So, you can't store apps to the "internal SD" because that's not what it is meant to be used for. When companies decided to start putting such massive storage into the phone there was no reason for it to be any bigger.
As to only being able to move apps to the external SD, simple; Google did not design Android to do so.
To allow such would require changing how Android sees the "Internal SD" and to change how the app to SD function works, it is not currently written to check for multiple SD cards. I don't see any Dev willing to take up the task when the solution to running out of app space has already been solved by a much better means.
A different way to view the problem would be to ask (or learn, as that's the xda way) about re-sizing the partition to make the app storage larger. If enough people ask (politely!) maybe one of the Devs can be convinced to make it standard in their ROM that it be more then the default 2GB, or someone might make an app or flashable .zip that allows for re-sizing.
lt:dr - phone is old, based on old specs (think pre- 2.1 Android).

[Q] sdcard0 vs extsdcard, want to move large data to extsdcard

Sigh, this is exactly what I was worried about when upgrading from my EVO 3D.
I noticed my new M8 has a sdcard0 and extsdcard folder. And of course, the apps and games which download hundreds of megs of data in order to run are downloading to the 24 gig internal sdcard0 mount point instead of the nearly empty 64gig extsdcard0 mountpoint. I really REALLY hate how so many Android phones seem to do this, why can't it just be partitioned as internal instead of faking a sdcard, thus making large apps install to internal with no option of installing to the actual external card?
Anyway, without rooting my phone, is there any way I can somehow set it so apps download and install their data to the actual SD card? The whole reason I didn't get the M7 was because I don't want my data to be stuck on the phone's internal memory in case anything happens, as well as to not waste internal memory space on several hundred megs or even gigs of data when I can use a large sdcard for that.

I believe u can go to manage apps and move apps to the sd card. Some may not be able to if it's not comparable but a lot of them should.
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aaron130 said:
I believe u can go to manage apps and move apps to the sd card. Some may not be able to if it's not comparable but a lot of them should.
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I tried that, it only moves the app executable to the SD card, not the hundreds of megs of additional data it downloaded. The app management screen even tells me how much of this additional data is on the internal memory and how much of it is on the SD card (it's all on internal), but moving the app doesn't move the additional data to the SD card.

One would assume that the ext sd 's bus interface would be quick enough to not bog any app which would be using it. That being the case htc has no excuse for not having interchangeable symbolic mounting points between the two sd's. Ive physcally moved some of the data from app's (dcim, and random music ) directories to the extsd, and at least it unburdens the internal sd.
The apk resource fork in these systems could be processed better in android and it's sdk, or even the runtime.
F yes it sucks.