https://developers.google.com/events/io/
I am watching it. Will report new things..
New things by now...
Android Studio, Google's own IDE for App Development!
Google's finally releases their own Cloud services.
Release of the Google Galaxy S4 running AOSP
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The new vp9 CODEC tecnology will be an improvement in data usage, and will be implemented in youtube this year
Google is reducing the difference between Mobile Chrome, PC Chrome and Tablet Chrome
New web platform payment feature makes it easier to fill out forms and shop on mobile.
[*]Google Play for education announced. Apps will start to be released in summer. Also chromebooks for education.
[*]Google+ introduces 41 new things: new stream, new hangout appand new picture experience.
[*]New "related hashtags". Google will analyze a post content and will add it's hashtags automatically with an image recognition system to make the user discover related content.
[*]Hangouts: a new conversation app from Google. (very very similar to whatsapp ) As I thought, Blackberry and WP are out. Just for android, ios and computers. It also has video chat, very similar to the ios facetime!
[*]Good combination of camera and cloud services
[*]Google will clean your photos in the cloud. Will select the best ones and delete the duplicates, blurry... etc ones. Amazing.
[*]Google introduces Picture enhance, to edit pictures automatically and correct them.
[*]Google introduces Awesome. Combine pictures to create animated ones.
[*]Google improves Speech engine. Now u talk to google as a friend, not with key words.
[*]Google Now: now you will be able to introduce remembers at the proper place at the proper time by saying them to google now.
[*]General improvements in Maps and Earth
So far not exiting. The s4 unveiling would lead me to believe no new update to software.
Also I'd assume that this was why LG got the nod for the nexus this time around. Samsung prob wants only to be known for its galaxy line.
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No new version of Android? :thumbdown::thumbdown:
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No new version of Android? :thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Seems that not today, my friend...
Not looking good for an announcement of a new OS or the rumored "X Phone".
Lame...
This sucks....I was waiting for a long time for that Android 4.3 announcement. Crappiest Google IO ever. *sigh*
I was hoping Google would lessen the price of the N10 since it's sales have been slow at best.
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I was hoping Google would lessen the price of the N10 since it's sales have been slow at best.
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You have proof of that?
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You have proof of that?
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Not physical proof.
But for what it's worth, I've read reports online that the N10 sales have been even less than the Surface.
really really sad! That key note was more than lame...
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So that was it.. No 4.3, no new Nexus, etc. etc.
IOS already has the New Hangout. But not the Google Play Store? Something seems kinda wrong about that...
Over-Clocked! & Under-Volted!
LiquidSmoove-KT747 BABY!
Just check out the old Voice app.
There were plenty of good things in I/O. Just not alot for users. They focused alot on Developers. No big surprise there.
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Do they always announce new android version at keynote or do they also unveil it at a later time during io? Would be sad not to see an update until the fall.
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Fail
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Fail
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Only if you are not a dev. The new dev tools are great.
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Yeah that android studio looks pretty impressive to me.
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Looks like the market is getting another facelift, looks 10x better then that mess that was just released to our phones!!!
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http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/11/an...er-discovery-a-redesign-and-99-new-countries/
You can also watch the keynote here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxU8N21wfrM
I'll have to actually use it to decide whether I like it, but I will say I've despised the lime green theme from the beginning. Visually, I'll be relieved to see it go.
Have you noticed the different signal/wifi indicator in that nexus S?
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Have you noticed the different signal/wifi indicator in that nexus S?
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That is the 4g icon.
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Am I the only one that prefers the current look to the one of this screenshot?
This looks too cluttered, and frankly, the green was actually pretty nice.
Nah I like the current market too. It doesn't have content set out right though. It's just big lists of apps. So it desperately needs some kind of trending and advanced sorting like the website has.
And they also need to cut the crap out of there. So many rubbish apps. At least plunge them into the depths of search at the very bottom, so you don't have to see or deal with having to skip them.
I like the current too.. but when it comes down to it, everyone goes to this screen first. I'm sure this will lead to a lot more 'impulse' downloads, which they probably want.
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I like it, looks good
I hope thye make it suck less. There are so many ****ty chinese/japanese titled apps that need to go and way too many just pieces of garbage.
And get rid of all the bouncing boobies apps.
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I hope thye make it suck less. There are so many ****ty chinese/japanese titled apps that need to go and way too many just pieces of garbage.
And get rid of all the bouncing boobies apps.
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not the bouncing boobies apps!
That looks terrible. It looks like WP7 garbage with that ugly tiled layout.
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I hope thye make it suck less. There are so many ****ty chinese/japanese titled apps that need to go and way too many just pieces of garbage.
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Just because an app is published in a different language doesn't make it ****ty. Android is an international platform, after all. An optional filter would be helpful though, for those of us who can't read- and thus presumably can't use- apps without an English UI.
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That looks terrible. It looks like WP7 garbage with that ugly tiled layout.
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word. this is horrendous. not only that WP7 to me actually looks professional and sleek. This looks like a 5 year old collage tiled.
As long as it works i don't really care
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Its June 1st... I don't see a update for the market app
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I, personally, was disappointed by Apple's iOS 6 release. I felt the os needed an entire revamp. From what I know about android everything apple did could have been done with app downloads. To me that should have been more of an incremental update rather than a whole new OS version. Do you all agree or disagree. Please let me know your thoughts.
IB4 another lock!
Nope
Before lock, where is the iOS 6 changelog?
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I didn't watch any livestream but from all the Twitter feeds, it wasn't promising much. Maps is probably the only thing that is good, but it's stupid iPad 3 getting Siri but not the other updated devices..
inb4lock
Im not bashing anything. I listened to the mods request and appropriately adjusted my discussion topic
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We also have an iPhone specific site, and this thread would be more appropriately placed there...
http://forum.iphone-developers.com/
Discussion is welcome as we're all tech nerds (to some extent), but if it turns into a flaming pit of trolls I'll have to step in.
http://www.todaysiphone.com/2012/06...update-facebook-integration-3d-maps-and-more/
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Before lock, where is the iOS 6 changelog?
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This maybe?
http://gizmodo.com/5917473/these-are-the-changes-to-mobile-with-ios-6
Ugh your right
Oh well i am staying on my jailbroken 5.0 ipod touch and using android.
Androids updates are nice cause they add a lot of new features where as apple mainly fixes old crap.
Android FTW obviously
- Maps w/ Flyover = Looks great
- Turn-By-Turn = At last?
- Updated Siri = Don't care, but i guess it's fun for the kids
- FB and Twitter integration = Don't care
- Passbook = Guess it's usefull for people in the US
Overall a couple of nice tweaks but nothing major. Apart from the FB/Twitter integration and other system tweaks, they could easily pushed this OTA.
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- Maps w/ Flyover = Looks great
- Turn-By-Turn = At last?
- Updated Siri = Don't care, but i guess it's fun for the kids
- FB and Twitter integration = Don't care
- Passbook = Guess it's usefull for people in the US
Overall a couple of nice tweaks but nothing major. Apart from the FB/Twitter integration and other system tweaks, they could easily pushed this OTA.
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Still a crap update
I heard it's not compatible with first-gen iPads. That's gonna get some people mad.
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I heard it's not compatible with first-gen iPads. That's gonna get some people mad.
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That's apple tho. They usually drop support for 3 generation old devices
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I heard it's not compatible with first-gen iPads. That's gonna get some people mad.
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I have an iPad 1 and...
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Nah, I wouldn't be, but then again I can afford to go and buy a newer model. Some people save for months to buy these things. I doubt you'd get much for a first-gen iPad on eBay now, especially after that announcement.
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I heard it's not compatible with first-gen iPads. That's gonna get some people mad.
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Yeah, but the 3GS is still freaking supported That's actually amazing. I had the 3GS myself like 3 years ago.
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Nah, I wouldn't be, but then again I can afford to go and buy a newer model. Some people save for months to buy these things. I doubt you'd get much for a first-gen iPad on eBay now, especially after that announcement.
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Im not selling it. I use it to play pointless games and show photos to clients.
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Yeah, but the 3GS is still freaking supported That's actually amazing. I had the 3GS myself like 3 years ago.
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Yup me too but then I discovered this little green robot
And CM 3!!!
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I am soo sick of having HOLO UI pushed out by Google when they don't even follow it!
The apps are just as bad with different color schemes, different header heights, etc
If KLP doesn't get this fixed...
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Hé hé , the best is the Music app with a Tron like theme Oo
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Identity crisis.
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I thought Holo was the blue/black theme not the white cards/magazine text we see in Currents & now etc.
Indeed, identity crisis.
Admittedly Google Music looks kinda cool, but outta place.
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Wow you guys.... Google is obviously about to do a major UI overhaul. They redid several things right before they released ICS (play store and the google search widget come immediately to mind). This is the same exact thing. They're not disregarding holo, these newer apps use a newer holo style. As for the drive widget, it's still just a dark gingerbread version.
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Wow you guys.... Google is obviously about to do a major UI overhaul.
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source?
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source?
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He obviously has none. Just 2 examples out of how many Google apps? I would love it unified, but I doubt it ever will be.
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He obviously has none. Just 2 examples out of how many Google apps? I would love it unified, but I doubt it ever will be.
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same here.
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I don't know about Google getting ready to do a major UI overhaul (again), that would firmly be in rumor territory, but it is true that different groups within Google lead development of different applications. GMail is handled by one group, the Drive application is handled by another, and so on. Some of those widgets haven't had their UI changed in a while, which is partially responsible. It is also true that not all of the Google applications follow an identical version of the design guidelines, which does lead to a little internal inconsistency.
That may partially be to show third party developers the different kinds of options they have, if intentional, or, if unintentional, might just be due to the disparate groups of developers at Google maintaining different applications separately. It may also be due to the very different purposes each of those widgets has, and what data, options, and features those widgets are meant to display. To be honest, it has never really bothered me personally, as the Holo theme is relatively flexible, aside from the heights. I do think the heights should follow the design a little more closely, since there is a guideline specifically for that.
Admittedly Google Music looks kinda cool, but outta place.
You will fall flat after seeing the music 5.0 app... Just like the redesigned market it has gotten a simpler ui and full white interface. Though background might change its a lot similar to Google now.
Music you own and suggested songs will seamlessly appear amidst each other. Lots of swipe gestures too. You can buy right off the app
http://www.slashgear.com/google-play-store-4-leak-shows-alleged-new-design-21274822/
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So disappointed with the 'new play store' images. It looks like such a downgrade from the current play store. I think the current play store looks fantastic.
So what does holo ui really looks like? I thought its the one from now & currents
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So what does holo ui really looks like? I thought its the one from now & currents
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There is "Holo Dark" just like the phone app & there is "Holo Light" like the contacts app
I think they should just let them user select-able in the next release just like windows phone and they should be applied to the holo system including the google apps
Holo is a set of guidelines. Not every app has to be the same color scheme. Some apps have new/interesting/experimental UI components, that's how they find out what works and what doesn't.
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/0...roid-build-krs36b-first-sign-of-key-lime-pie/
TechnoBuffalo reads it as KRS368 on the Nexus 7 and KRS365 on the N4, but I see it as KRS36B, which makes more sense since recent builds of Jelly Bean have a letter at the end of the build number.
Pretty interesting stuff. It's exciting to see that they already have it running on the devices. :good:
Wasn't something similar spotted days before Google I/O?
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I din't want the build number, I want the build!
Cool...bring it on!
It's not called KeyLime Pie anyway, that is something the media invented.
Sources in Google tell me it was always Knickerbocker Glory.
Sweet hope it makes 4.3 slow
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I guess technobuffalo have a different understanding of "spotted" than I do....
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I guess technobuffalo have a different understanding of "spotted" than I do....
From a Nexus 4 bathing in Jelly Beans
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Lol ya think! I was hoping for an actual picture of the actual phone.
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At least it confirms klp might be next we just got 4.3 so don't expect leaked pictures or videos lol
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we just got 4.3 so don't expect leaked pictures or videos lol
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devs would get crazy
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devs would get crazy
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Ya a whole lotta flashing would be happening guys wouldnt sleep:laugh:
4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck.
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IOS 7?
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4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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Whoa, for being on XDA's forum about Google's newest 'developer' phone, in a thread talking about the Android OS, you sound pretty pessimistic about the whole operation.
Have you seen this?
Jean-Baptiste Quéru
14:36
Well, I see that people have figured out why I'm quitting AOSP.
There's no point being the maintainer of an Operating System that can't boot to the home screen on its flagship device for lack of GPU support, especially when I'm getting the blame for something that I don't have authority to fix myself and that I had anticipated and escalated more than 6 months ahead.
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devs would get crazy :d
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may this for n4?
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Have you seen this?
Jean-Baptiste Quéru
14:36
Well, I see that people have figured out why I'm quitting AOSP.
There's no point being the maintainer of an Operating System that can't boot to the home screen on its flagship device for lack of GPU support, especially when I'm getting the blame for something that I don't have authority to fix myself and that I had anticipated and escalated more than 6 months ahead.
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More info... http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...om-ever-being-published-jbq-strongly-implies/
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4.3 with new crappy boring interface, who cares? Loads of actual decent launchers available anyway everywhere.
Oh maybe a couple of gimmicky app features too.
Chrome will still suck and have jerky scrolling, as will the play store.
Though I believe the spyware will be top notch, and will stop you from feeling terror even more.
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I think you need a syringe full of apple, and go to town on that high and mighty fictional escapade you've done..and apple products are bricks and worthless every year with no resale value and only a ignorant hipster generation won't believe it
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I think you need a syringe full of apple, and go to town on that high and mighty fictional escapade you've done..and apple products are bricks and worthless every year with no resale value and only a ignorant hipster generation won't believe it
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ewww, apple? nah I'm an android guy.
my comments were, fairly obviously??, tongue in cheek
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I din't want the build number, I want the build!
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word :good:
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Android 4.4 KitKat has been officially announced and as usual, the latest version of the Android OS debuts alongside the a new Nexus, the Nexus 5. So, what's new? Well, the 4.4 KitKat aims to reach the next 1 billion users and it will scale automatically to fit on the devices with as little as 512 MB of RAM.
The design of the OS has been polished and it looks better than ever. Android 4.4 brings a new phone app, which now helps you search across your contacts, nearby places or even through any other Google app accounts, right from your dialler app.
Google's new Hangout app comes out of the box on Android 4.4. It puts all your SMS and MMS under one roof along with other conversations and video calls so that you don't miss messages regard;ess of how they are sent.
The lock screen now has a camera shortcut and there is an option to rearrange the home screens to match your requirements. All devices without hardware keys now get extra room as the navigation interface disappears as soon as an app is launched.
As one can expect, the newest Android version brings a whole lot of new features for Google's search platform. You can now activate search with keywords and the speech recognition engine is about 25 percent more accurate than before, according to Google.
You can use the hotwords to launch voice search with the Google Now, send a text, get directions or even play a song. The upcoming version of the Google Now will bring new card types that keep you updated with contextual topics of interest to you.
Android 4.4's new framework allows you to AirPrint (a feature similar to wireless printing), which is however limited to HP printers only for now. The OS now supports third-party cloud storage in the Gallery app
Google aims to make Android accessible to everyone, even people with low-end hardware. In the past, due to the memory constraints, some lower-end smartphones couldn't get a taste of the newer Android versions, but with KitKat that's about to change. Android 4.4 KitKat removes unnecessary background services and reduces the memory consumption to a large extent, which now allows the OS to run smoothly even on devices with 512MB RAM. Ironically, the Galaxy Nexus with 1GB RAM will not get KitKat.
Google has also managed to enhance the battery performance through its sensor batching, which reduces the data requests. Lastly, Android 4.4 comes with under the hood tweaks and changes to enhance the overall performance of the OS.
Android 4.4 KitKat will be powering the newly launched Google Nexus 5 out of the box, while the roll out for the other Nexus devices will begin in the coming days.
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It will be interesting to see if I get the update for my N4 or N7 before my N5 gets here.
OH NO! I have become a Nexus fanboy:silly:
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It will be interesting to see if I get the update for my N4 or N7 before my N5 gets here.
OH NO! I have become a Nexus fanboy:silly:
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Hey! Nothing wrong with fanboyism on a nexus lol
My.DiRtY.UNiC0Rn.
I think we are all fanboys here
woof for yourself. I am a fandog.
wow the gnex isn't getting 4.4? i'd be mad as hell
1, 2, 3 aaaaaaand closed
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1, 2, 3 aaaaaaand closed
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wise is this one
Thread closed use the existing discussion thread for further discussions, PLEASE