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Is google "being evil" with the nexus 7

IMHO, the answer is yes. Not only are they not including a memory card slot, but they are now intentionally removing the ability to attach external mass storage to the device. This feature has been built into android for a couple of versions now and the only possible reason is them forcing you to use their cloud, which is compounded by this being a wifi-only device.
Google, I'm really starting to be frustrated by your choices. Yes, this will be hacked to a solution, but it shouldn't have to be. I really REALLY really want to like the nexus 7 and buy one, but I just can't. Not in this handicapped format. That's just my 2 cent rant.

usb otg still works though..

Pretty sure it was just to keep costs down...
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El Daddy said:
Pretty sure it was just to keep costs down...
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For which part? memory card slots are cheap and take up very little space. The act of removing usb storage ability from the OS took labor and therefore cost them money. I see very little cost saving in any of these decisions.

Seeing how Cloud functionality is Google's bread and butter, it seems only logical that they would do something like this, as they are attracting people to their ecosystem. The N7 is the perfect consumption device to do this.
For content creation, you should probably consider either an iPad or laptop, and again to hold stuff like various media and software, you would be better off with an Archos tablet, like the G9 series.
It even tells you when you try to buy the device that 'Nexus 7 was built for Google Play' it's not like they are trying to deceive people, so people with the wrong expectation that jump into purchasing one only have theirselves to blame:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_7_8GB?id=nexus_7_8gb

I admit disappointment in not having microSD or the $50 upgrade for 8GB of additional storage. But I don't think Google is evil. I feel like I'm still getting a great deal out of this. Google and ASUS are making very little off the hardware, so it's natural that Google is going to put some limitations in to push people towards it's cloud content. I felt it was a reasonable compromise, so I bought one.

Poke_N_PDA said:
For which part? memory card slots are cheap and take up very little space. The act of removing usb storage ability from the OS took labor and therefore cost them money. I see very little cost saving in any of these decisions.
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I'm talking about the SD card slot. Also nexus devices haven't had an SD slot since the Nexus One. This is the way they want to go.
As far as USB storage. I'm pretty sure you can't use a USB stick via OTG without root access anyway.
I would state my opinions on both but I'm sure they differ from yours, so I will refrain to avoid a flame fest.
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Poke_N_PDA said:
For which part? memory card slots are cheap and take up very little space. The act of removing usb storage ability from the OS took labor and therefore cost them money. I see very little cost saving in any of these decisions.
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30 cents isn't much per unit but when you consider it's 30 cents say multiplied by 500,00 it adds up. Jellybean isn't out yet, it could be something as simple as bug that's causing the usb issues.
El Daddy I know the sgs 2 can do usb stick via otg without root.

I don't understand what the problem is. You stated that you're not buying it, therefore you're not stuck with something you don't want. There are plenty of tablets out there; surely there's ONE with the specs you want to buy. Why call Google evil because they didn't make something YOU want? It's a business decision. What do you call the other companies that don't live up to your expectations??

Ravynmagi said:
But I don't think Google is evil. I feel like I'm still getting a great deal out of this. Google and ASUS are making very little off the hardware, so it's natural that Google is going to put some limitations in to push people towards it's cloud content.
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They essentially neutered a good tablet (the Asus Me307t) in order to serve their own purposes. I call that evil.
Is it still a good deal? Yes. But by partnering like this, they've made it a worse deal than it otherwise would have been.

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Eagle1337 said:
El Daddy I know the sgs 2 can do usb stick via otg without root.
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That's probably a feature Samsung added.
Nexus devices don't have this functionality without root. (there is no way to mount it)

thebobp said:
They essentially neutered a good tablet (the Asus Me307t) in order to serve their own purposes. I call that evil.
Is it still a good deal? Yes. But by partnering like this, they've made it a worse deal than it otherwise would have been.
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Why do you say that google netured the Me307t? I think it more likely Asus agreeded to hold off on releasing it for a few months in return for getting manufacturing right for a Nexus tablet, now they have that and the ability to bring out their own badged device with a spec boost to help them sell it.

I refer you to Google's slogan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_be_evil
I for one take them at their word. Heck of a lot better than other companies I could name.

shuflie said:
Why do you say that google netured the Me307t? I think it more likely Asus agreeded to hold off on releasing it for a few months in return for getting manufacturing right for a Nexus tablet, now they have that and the ability to bring out their own badged device with a spec boost to help them sell it.
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First of all, the Nexus and me307t are the same.
As for Asus releasing an "upgraded version" or a version more true to the original, I don't find that plausible at all; economies of scale, and by then the demand for such a similar tablet would be largely sated anyway.

Poke_N_PDA said:
For which part? memory card slots are cheap and take up very little space. The act of removing usb storage ability from the OS took labor and therefore cost them money. I see very little cost saving in any of these decisions.
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The actual hardware is cheap, however the licensing is not, it would have been around $30 extra each port.

If the missing options are bothering you so much then don't buy it. Calling Google "Evil" because they made a business decision to cut cost and promote their cloud platform is a bit extreme. Now calling Apple "Evil" for using super glue to secure their Lithium-Ion battery to the frame/bezel of their MacBook pretty much making the battery irreplaceable due to the high risk of the battery being damages and spilling toxic material all over is a fair statement. If the N7 doesn't meet your requirement then wait for another 7 inch tab maybe Asus will release another version of the Me307t.

Poke_N_PDA said:
IMHO, the answer is yes. Not only are they not including a memory card slot, but they are now intentionally removing the ability to attach external mass storage to the device. This feature has been built into android for a couple of versions now and the only possible reason is them forcing you to use their cloud, which is compounded by this being a wifi-only device.
Google, I'm really starting to be frustrated by your choices. Yes, this will be hacked to a solution, but it shouldn't have to be. I really REALLY really want to like the nexus 7 and buy one, but I just can't. Not in this handicapped format. That's just my 2 cent rant.
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Dude, take 2 seconds and read the forums. The tablet supports USB storage. Now do a favor to anyone else that reads this thread and update your original post; you're going to confuse a lot of people.

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4x the price (assumed but likely), different hardware category altogether.

No. Where did they intentionally limit mass storage? A Googler even said that it is easy for a dev to write an app for the Nexus 7 to enable USB OTG without rooting.
They had a vision for this tablet as a window into the Play Store and as a direct competitor to Amazon's Kindle. And that's what it is. Would I have liked a SD slot? Hell yes. Is it evil that Google has said they want to move away from micro sd storage? Hell no.

Nexus is slowly converging into Apple's design philosophy

Don't get me wrong. I am a huge Nexus fan and I'm going to upgrade my Gnex to the Nexus 4 as soon as it comes out. However, I can't help but think that the Nexus line is gradually following iPhone's design. Starting with the Nexus S, it lost the expandable storage option. Now comes the Nexus 4 and it doesn't have a removable battery. Both of these features were touted to be 2 of the major advantages Android, in general, had over the iPhone. With the glass back cover, the Nexus 4 now even shares more similarities with the iPhone.
Android supporters always argue that one of the reasons they chose Android is that they didn't want Apple to dictate what they can or cannot have on their phones. With the limited internal storage in the Nexus 4, some people explained that Google wanted us to use their cloud services. To me, IMO, this is like Google forcing us to do what they want us to do, by not giving us expandable storage.
I still like the Nexus line and fortunately there are many other good Android phones to choose from if the Nexus 4 doesn't suit some people. I just wanted to share a small gripe that I have with the Nexus line. I think it's pretty obvious that Google put these limitations on these Nexus phones because they didn't want to directly compete with their Android partners. Do you guys think we will ever see a "perfect" Nexus phone in the future?

I use Android because of the fantastic, open OS.
I don't care about removable batteries or SD cards.

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Really, the N4 isn't out yet and there are muppets posting Apple posts in the nexus forum
Get a grip ffs.

Google aren't forcing you to do anything. If 16GB is a deal breaker (and using a thumddrive with USB OTG isn't an option) Google know you have other options Galaxy S3, Note II, One X+, Xperia T, Optimus G, that will offer different storage and battery options, while still feeding into the Google ecosystem.
The philosophy behind the Nexus devices has changed this year. They used to be primarily developer devices, for this purpose it made perfect sense to have a microSD slot and removable battery. Google are now positioning the brand as a true competitor to iOS. The vast majority of consumers don't need a microSD slot or removable battery or huge amounts of storage. They have clearly made the decision that the design and price of the phone is more important than these features. It won't be right for some but I think for the vast majority of people it will be perfectly fine.

Frankly, I think we could use a little more Apple-ness. Fewer devices, more consistency, direct to handset updates. And, the SD-card will be going the way of the dodo bird. I'm fine with what I see so that better and faster changes can be implemented and so that titles may eventually come Android's way before any other OS's way.

Brac20 said:
Google aren't forcing you to do anything. If 16GB is a deal breaker (and using a thumddrive with USB OTG isn't an option) Google know you have other options Galaxy S3, Note II, One X+, Xperia T, Optimus G, that will offer different storage and battery options, while still feeding into the Google ecosystem.
The philosophy behind the Nexus devices has changed this year. They used to be primarily developer devices, for this purpose it made perfect sense to have a microSD slot and removable battery. Google are now positioning the brand as a true competitor to iOS. The vast majority of consumers don't need a microSD slot or removable battery or huge amounts of storage. They have clearly made the decision that the design and price of the phone is more important than these features. It won't be right for some but I think for the vast majority of people it will be perfectly fine.
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I agree with you. The design and price of the phone are actually more important to me. That's why in my original post I said that I will get the Nexus 4 for sure. And again, like I said, there are so many other good options out there for everyone if the N4 is not right for them.
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Really, the N4 isn't out yet and there are muppets posting Apple posts in the nexus forum
Get a grip ffs.
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I'm not an Apple advocate and have never owned any Apple products. I don't even have iTunes or Quicktime installed on my computer. I just wanted to see what other people think about my observation. That's why I started the post during my little break from work. I tried to make my original post as objective as possible. Guess I failed. =\

I think keeping removal batteries and sd cards would be awesome, and 32gbs would be lovely but that isn't budget.
Personally I'd toss another 50 for those features but that's me.

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I tried to make my original post as objective as possible. Guess I failed. =\
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It's a thread about Apple in a Nexus forum

floepie said:
Frankly, I think we could use a little more Apple-ness. Fewer devices, more consistency, direct to handset updates. And, the SD-card will be going the way of the dodo bird. I'm fine with what I see so that better and faster changes can be implemented and so that titles may eventually come Android's way before any other OS's way.
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I think this is where google is going with the nexus devices. Something more streamlined and user-friendly for the masses. They have to make money too, and even though us phone nerds like to tinker away and have options, most people want something straightforward that "just works." Code will still be open sourced though and developers can have their fun with these devices. Also, don't forget that android has a ton of devices from other manufacturers with SD slots, removable battery, bigger screens... etc. There are a lot of android choices, but their flagship device is being made more for mass-marketing now.

1. Most new phones won't have a removable battery. Get over it.
2. Google has stated many times that they believe SD cards are unreliable and confusing for the end user. So they are trying to set an example and get rid of them. Now I agree they should offer 32GB versions to compensate.
So.... There's that.

Not being rude but I use android because of its open software and customization that u cant have it on apple phone/pads.
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I do also prefer Android over iOS because of the open OS and to the fact we have a file system that enables us to have files and several apps accessing those files. I would prefer to have a removable battery and the option to have a SD card, and even FM radio and 32Gb ... but for the price of this device, and the features he gives, its a must for me!
I have a SGS with SD slot ... and i dont use it. I have a removable battery and i only remove it when applying custom ROMs (if needed) ... so if there is an option to go to recovery or do a force restart without removing the battery, for me ... its ok. regarding space, i am using the cloud for most of the space needed ... so, again ... Im ok!

The lack of a removable battery is not a big deal to me. It's 2100mah, which is significantly more than the 1750mah given to the Galaxy Nexus, and it doesn't have to power a battery-destroying AMOLED screen. As far as removable storage, I've gotten by just fine on 16GB on my Galaxy Nexus, mostly because I rely on music streaming services and use my Nexus 7 for all of my games.
Google isn't removing hardware options because they hate their users, they're doing it because their R&D has shown that massive local storage and removable batteries are not as important to the majority of users, and they can drive down the device cost by omitting them. Personally I am annoyed by how the battery door of my Galaxy Nexus always creaks, so I'd probably prefer my next device to be a completely closed off design.
Don't forget that there exists a phone with relatively the same specs as the Nexus 4, but also offers removable storage and LTE, known as the Optimus G. Sure, the development community for it will be smaller, but that shouldn't matter if all you really care about is the hardware.

i agree with the concept that the OP put out there. people want options, and android gives them options as apple does not. a glass back is just bad design, yes it looks good, but it can break unnecessarily and cause problems that one should not have to deal with. people don't like having no options, and it is good that google, unlike apple, allows other device makers to use the android OS, and make it open source. that way you still do have an option, and my choice will be SGS3 because of google's decisions. (and i don't really want a device manufactured by LG, i was hoping asus would get into the phone side of nexus, or it would still be samsung)
that being said, i now have a galaxy s phone and an external battery charger, because i can switch batteries at any time and have a full charge without having to be tethered to a cable/cradle. i hate iOS with a passion. and i was very excited to see there was a new nexus device dropping. i can live without the sd slot option (although it is not my favorite thing, and would like expandability) but i will not buy a phone that doesn't allow me to change out batteries as i am accustomed. have had external chargers with my last 2 phones (about 5 years) and it is real handy to be able to swap and go.

I didn't care for the Google guys response to why it doesn't have an sd card slot. He said it was confusing for people to have 2 storage options, and they wouldn't be able to find their own pictures, etc. That seems like an Apple-y response to me, assuming people are idiots, and can't handle it, so they take away the option.
I've always loved Android because it can be easy to pick up for newbies, and can get quite advanced for techies. Don't take away our options Google. Give us the choice

warlock257 said:
I didn't care for the Google guys response to why it doesn't have an sd card slot. He said it was confusing for people to have 2 storage options, and they wouldn't be able to find their own pictures, etc. That seems like an Apple-y response to me, assuming people are idiots, and can't handle it, so they take away the option.
I've always loved Android because it can be easy to pick up for newbies, and can get quite advanced for techies. Don't take away our options Google. Give us the choice
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Only one of the Nexus phones had a micro sd slot, so it's not like all of a sudden they decided "hey lets remove the sd slot to piss people off"
Its all about setting standards. Google give us what they believe is the true Android experience, and obviously that is without a micro sd card and hardware buttons.
They give us choices, by allowing micro sd support with the kernel/roms.

theoneofgod said:
Only one of the Nexus phones had a micro sd slot, so it's not like all of a sudden they decided "hey lets remove the sd slot to piss people off"
Its all about setting standards. Google give us what they believe is the true Android experience, and obviously that is without a micro sd card and hardware buttons.
They give us choices, by allowing micro sd support with the kernel/roms.
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I think the actual reason is the dont want to pay the big M 15$ for licensing for using exfat on each device.

Michealtbh said:
I use Android because of the fantastic, open OS.
I don't care about removable batteries or SD cards.
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i second this.

floepie said:
Frankly, I think we could use a little more Apple-ness. Fewer devices, more consistency, direct to handset updates. And, the SD-card will be going the way of the dodo bird. I'm fine with what I see so that better and faster changes can be implemented and so that titles may eventually come Android's way before any other OS's way.
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Agreed - so as long as the #fail within Apple stays at bay. The one thing I hope Google can accomplish that Apple has been complacent with regards to is the US carrier/lock-in model. I realize that the cellular industry in the US started out significantly different than in Europe, however we're at a point now where unlocked phones can generally be used across a couple of carriers. If Google can take advantage of splitting the subsidized costs out but keeping hardware costs for new smartphones lower I'm all in favor of that. I was pleasantly surprised to see the unlocked Nexus 4 at a reasonable price - we need more of this as I feel phone quality and features will vastly improve if consumers can, and will, have a better selection of phones more frequently (not being locked to a phone for ~2 years). Maybe this will signal to manufacturers to slow down a bit, improve build quality and focus in on what the customer wants and then they'll end up with the "next big thing" for a few months. It'd also be nice to know, going into buying a phone, what the support model is before you buy. So if the vendor puts out a, sort of, LTS (Long Term Support) guarantee for 2 years knowing darn well that getting out updates quickly is prudent.
Also I'm not sure why Apple is the only vendor to, basically, have complete control over their device's software - where it seems to be that Android is the second class citizen and gets held up by the carriers AND the manufacturers (almost conveniently so that the public can play the blame game). If Google can make progress on this fron then two :good:.

Removable battery and sd cards were two advantages... Let's see what we have left.
Swype
SwiftKey
New 4.2 stock keyboard with both.
CyanogenMod + roms.
Micro usb standard. (30$ adapter anyone?)
Multiple device/price selection
On nexus devices root is an ADB command.
Oh, we are arguably less fragmented than Apple. Don't believe me? Ask my mom how she likes siri on her iPhone 4, or my girlfriends grand father about siri on his ipad 2. Oh.... Wait they don't have it. Still haven't found any solid way to hack it on. Meanwhile my 2 year old captivate with Cm10 and Google now...
Oh yeah, nfc chips are totally not an advantage are they?
I'll give apple credit the battery and screen on the ipad 3 are amazing. Apple has even managed to impress me time to time. You can't however single out one or two minor advantages of a platform and act like it doesn't exist without them.
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Cool mod idea

Someone make a carbon back cover, that comes off easy (ok for me if nfc attenna gone)
Make it so you can remove and change batteries...
Put a micro SD card slot in the new back and wire it somehow ..
Wow that would be my dream phone...

Yeah, if only there was 32gb, kevlar back, and SAMOLED screen. This would be the ultimate phone for me....
I dont't understand why its so impossible for manufacturers to go 2/3rds the way every single time.

cheetah2k said:
Yeah, if only there was 32gb, kevlar back, and SAMOLED screen. This would be the ultimate phone for me....
I dont't understand why its so impossible for manufacturers to go 2/3rds the way every single time.
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Because if they went all the way you wouldn't buy another phone.
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Great thread.
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cheetah2k said:
Yeah, if only there was 32gb, kevlar back, and SAMOLED screen. This would be the ultimate phone for me....
I dont't understand why its so impossible for manufacturers to go 2/3rds the way every single time.
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Super AMOLED are you kidding me
As far as 32gb do u remember how much this phone cost?
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blendobass said:
Someone make a carbon back cover, that comes off easy (ok for me if nfc attenna gone)
Make it so you can remove and change batteries...
Put a micro SD card slot in the new back and wire it somehow ..
Wow that would be my dream phone...
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Nice thought.. But it should be Locked.
Mods. Help him please

filthykid said:
Nice thought.. But it should be Locked.
Mods. Help him please
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Uhm why? Its general and its about this device. New threads really upset ppl it seems.
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Because that isn't going to happen. Ever.
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blendobass said:
Someone make a carbon back cover, that comes off easy (ok for me if nfc attenna gone)
Make it so you can remove and change batteries...
Put a micro SD card slot in the new back and wire it somehow ..
Wow that would be my dream phone...
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Because that isn't going to happen. Ever.
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This.
I did not mean to discourage the guy but this won't happen. At least not this year. There have been plenty of discussions and articles relating to "what 'I' want in a phone". The company naturally doesn't care. So it's useless to make such discussion. However, andriod being open source, let all companies use the OS. Hence you got "plenty" of options to move onto. Why stick with a device you wish it "had" the features you desire?

I don't get the whole flash memory is expensive thing, it's like $1 a gig around here... I just got a 16 gig micro SD for $12 on sale. Are they making these phones so cheap that the few dollars it takes to put a little storage in makes them not afford it ?
I don't need so many apps, I don't care to much about total control, I am maybe the only one on here that is interested in Blackberry 10 phones, did you know part of the design is a BB should withstand a 20 ft drop and also a drop in a puddle ? If they happen to have a sd card, removable battery that lasts 3 days, and aren't lying about the browser being the fastest of any mobile, and add that it is higher end components I can see why people might switch to BB, i know you will laugh, but the joke is you might be able to sideload android on it and have a dual handset if you choose, or at least the apps..
I need a phone that can go threw hell and still work at the end of the day.

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This.
I did not mean to discourage the guy but this won't happen. At least not this year. There have been plenty of discussions and articles relating to "what 'I' want in a phone". The company naturally doesn't care. So it's useless to make such discussion. However, andriod being open source, let all companies use the OS. Hence you got "plenty" of options to move onto. Why stick with a device you wish it "had" the features you desire?
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It's not what "I" want in a phone.
The big joke is everyone wants the same in a phone.. they want the longest lasting, toughest build, most options for expandable memory, best antennas but not cancer, longest lasting, great screen, loudest speakers for music, the most connections possible, they want it all.. updateable phone possible for the dollars... its not math. They just like to minus stuff so you buy one per year.
Vote with your dollars.. that's all you can do, and while the arrogant fail sooner or later, there is always someone else providing what you need.
Many people in China for instance have dual sim card phones, I would like that, I can see how others wouldn't want it.

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It's not what "I" want in a phone.
The big joke is everyone wants the same in a phone.. they want the longest lasting, toughest build, most options for expandable memory, best antennas but not cancer, longest lasting, great screen, loudest speakers for music, the most connections possible, they want it all.. updateable phone possible for the dollars... its not math. They just like to minus stuff so you buy one per year.
Vote with your dollars.. that's all you can do, and while the arrogant fail sooner or later, there is always someone else providing what you need.
Many people in China for instance have dual sim card phones, I would like that, I can see how others wouldn't want it.
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There is no way you r wrong here by demanding all what one can ask for. But think for a second, if you are a phone manufacturer, you would want people to buy your phones every year.. probably twice or even thrice a year.. (yeah i have seen that happen). If a manufacturer gives all what is required in ONE phone... Boooom! who would ever switch?
Take Galaxy S2's example, there wasn't really any other such high-spec'd phone from known manufacturers in 2011. Hence if u see, many people who owned S2 at that time haven't switched to S3 or any other phone in 2012. Regardless of dual-core or quad-core, the phone:
a) is snappy
b) is slim
c) has enough internal space
d) got SD slot
e) got 8 MP camera which was still standard in 2012
f) got latest Adnriod OS
g) got latest OEM UI
h) standard RAM
i) large battery
What not?
Although they threw Quad-core but S2 still sold like a Boss. Hence they need to cut out corners and save them for their new device so that they force us to switch. They run a business and what matters the most to them is profit.

Samoled smh
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blendobass said:
It's not what "I" want in a phone.
The big joke is everyone wants the same in a phone.. they want the longest lasting, toughest build, most options for expandable memory, best antennas but not cancer, longest lasting, great screen, loudest speakers for music, the most connections possible, they want it all.. updateable phone possible for the dollars... its not math. They just like to minus stuff so you buy one per year.
Vote with your dollars.. that's all you can do, and while the arrogant fail sooner or later, there is always someone else providing what you need.
Many people in China for instance have dual sim card phones, I would like that, I can see how others wouldn't want it.
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Engineering isn't magic.At every point in designing there is a decision to make.
You can get the best antenna which will give you best coverage, but it requies more battery to send airwaves all the way.
Loudest speakers, again need a bigger driver and more battery power. For adding all these features you need a bigger battery, which means a thicker phone.
Toughest build, yes things are happening e.g Xperia Z. However when Samsung comes with a phone that can take some beating as it's plastic half the crowd goes boo.
When LG comes with N4 the other half does not like it as it breaks easily.
About dual SIM, I am not sure where you live but here in India you get dual sim android phones from Samsung. So it's not like few Chinese manufacturers are making it.
Samsung has brand called Duos, there is Galaxy S Duos, Galaxy Ace Duos etc all with dual sim.Maybe they aren't getting it to the place you live as they don't see too
many people going for it. e.g in US market where out of 4 major carriers only 2 are GSM and with incompatible 3G frequencies and carrier subsidies there is no market for
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[Q] Any idea when 64GB Sprint may land?

Hi all - I did some searches, but didn't find anything - so, do we have any idea when the 64GB exclusivity agreement with AT&T will be over and Sprint users might be able to get a 64GB version? Is it possible that will never happen?
I've been holding onto my Epic 4g for a long time, and would like to get a device that can also replace my 60GB ipod (or at least come close, as it's almost full). Ideally, I'd like a device that I could get 128GB onto (perhaps via MicroSDXC - even though this phone doesn't support that).
Note that I periodically travel into areas that are poorly served by Sprint's 3g, so please don't sidetrack the conversation much with regards to streaming over teh interwebs.
Thanks!

It's only an att exclusive because none of the other carriers expressed interest in it.
Don't expect the 64gb to land ever.
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Bah, humbug! Thanks.

regalpimpin said:
It's only an att exclusive because none of the other carriers expressed interest in it.
Don't expect the 64gb to land ever.
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That's a Damn shame. Hopefully next year's phone on sprint will have 64gb
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I'm not sure it means anything but one of the android blogs I follow (don't asking which one because I can't remember) mentioned that sprint isn't getting the 64 gb model until it's no longer an exclusive on att. It read as though att got exclusive rights for a short period. But the article also couldn't back that info up with any solid source, so it's probably total bs. Anyway, I was kinda hoping for 64 gb too but doubt it'll happen.
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Pyperkub said:
Ideally, I'd like a device that I could get 128GB onto (perhaps via MicroSDXC - even though this phone doesn't support that).
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Lack of SD card was a deal breaker for me too.
However, the HTC One does support USB OTG out-of-the-box; meaning it can support an external card reader connected to its µUSB port.
The combination of 32GB internal memory, the low price (compared to GS4) and the $100 trade-in rebate swayed me towards the One.
Plus the design & construction are top-notch.
Here's what I ordered for mine:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360658102913
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130517411124&ssPageName=ADME:L:eek:C:US:3160
Its not ideal, but its better than not having any support at all.

I have a LG G4 and I want to buy new smartphone ... But used one for now.

Hey guys.. recently I sold my Oneplus Two after using it for 1 year and bought new LG G4. But I bought it thinking I can enjoy entirely new things. But unfortunately I lost my enthusiasm. I didn't love the phone for many reason. 1. Battery life is very low. 2. No unlock bootloader. 3. No root for Marshmallow. 4. Phone heats up very quick. And many cons too. Now I'm planning to downgrade to phone with good specs and not too high end. So I thought of choosing Nexus 6. What do you guys think ? Is it a right choice to buy used one with 203 dollar ? ...
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the n6 might have too high of specs for you

simms22 said:
the n6 might have too high of specs for you
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Simms i didnt mean that way.. But i mean not high end because i dont want people to point me at the phone such as Nexus 6P.. But do you think its a good idea if i move to Nexus 6 now ? Because its already 1 year old if im not wrong.
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I came from G4 to a Note 5 then to a Nexus 6. And would much rather have the Nexus 6 than either of those. I think you will be satisfied.
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sam razzy said:
Simms i didnt mean that way.. But i mean not high end because i dont want people to point me at the phone such as Nexus 6P.. But do you think its a good idea if i move to Nexus 6 now ? Because its already 1 year old if im not wrong.
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yea, the n6 is still a great phone, even though its not brand new

simms22 said:
yea, the n6 is still a great phone, even though its not brand new
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Yea planned to buy... Do you Think used one with 32gb at 203 dollar is worth ?
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Just this month I had an option to upgrade to a new phone. I chose buying a used Nexus 6 instead. I could not be happier. It has what I always try and make phones, stock android. There is still tons of developing going on. I don't even care that it is an older phone. I had the LG G3.

We can't answer that. Only you can. Nexus like you said yourself is considered old, however many of us would not consider the phones out now a considerable upgrade.

sam razzy said:
Yea planned to buy... Do you Think used one with 32gb at 203 dollar is worth ?
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I bought mine for $650.. so $203 is a no brained.

sam razzy said:
Yea planned to buy... Do you Think used one with 32gb at 203 dollar is worth ?
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You need to ask yourself whether 32GB is going to be enough storage for your needs. The Nexus phones don't have expandable storage.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
You need to ask yourself whether 32GB is going to be enough storage for your needs. The Nexus phones don't have expandable storage.
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sure it does.. just not via sdcard.

I don't know about you, but in the OP's situation I wouldn't want to have to play around with a dongle sitting in my USB port simply to increase my storage space. Using a USB OTG device is inconvenient except in certain use cases, such as at home backing up a device with TWRP. USB OTG may be expandable storage, but it's simply not optimal. Thus the OP still needs to ask himself whether 32GB is enough.
I don't think 32GB is enough, not without being ruthless in your space management. I know you'll probably disagree, but I'm willing to lay odds that as an owner of a 32GB model you're pretty ruthless in your space management. Owners of 64GB devices have the luxury of not having to be so ruthless, and I really think it adds to the enjoyment of the device.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I don't know about you, but in the OP's situation I wouldn't want to have to play around with a dongle sitting in my USB port simply to increase my storage space. Using a USB OTG device is inconvenient except in certain use cases, such as at home backing up a device with TWRP. USB OTG may be expandable storage, but it's simply not optimal. Thus the OP still needs to ask himself whether 32GB is enough.
I don't think 32GB is enough, not without being ruthless in your space management. I know you'll probably disagree, but I'm willing to lay odds that as an owner of a 32GB model you're pretty ruthless in your space management. Owners of 64GB devices have the luxury of not having to be so ruthless, and I really think it adds to the enjoyment of the device.
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I don't use otg, but it is an option in expandable storage.. you said there aren't any options. I have a 32gb n6. I bought it in nov, 2014. anyways, 32gb is more than enough for me. and I mod my device, nearly daily. and have 2 3.5gb+ nandroid back ups in my storage. before n6, I always had 16gb. now 32gb is spacious for me. also, I'm an amateur photographer that only uses the n6 for photography. what I don't do is keep music on my device, that's what seems to save me. I use google play music services, and I always have that to use. when I take a subway home from work, I'll download several albums to listen to, beforehand. BTW, on tmobile, unlimited high speed data, in NYC

I forgot about USB OTG as an option. I stand corrected on that.
Like I said, you're ruthless in your space management, where I don't have to be. That however doesn't mean I'm not. If I were to put my stuff on your device, it would all fit with about a gigabyte left. Having used devices with far less storage, space management became an art form with me. But on this device, not worrying about how much space I'm using is liberating, and it's that liberating feeling that makes using this device more enjoyable.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I forgot about USB OTG as an option. I stand corrected on that.
Like I said, you're ruthless in your space management, where I don't have to be. That however doesn't mean I'm not. If I were to put my stuff on your device, it would all fit with about a gigabyte left. Having used devices with far less storage, space management became an art form with me. But on this device, not worrying about how much space I'm using is liberating, and it's that liberating feeling that makes using this device more enjoyable.
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ruthless, I'd never say that in this case. over time, I do end up deleting a lot though.

Had the G4 last year. Decided to sell it after a few months due to the subpar battery life. I do miss the camera and brighter screen, however, I prefer the N6 for the bigger screen, much better battery life, wireless charging and Project Fi. $200 for a used N6 is still a good price.
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simms22 said:
ruthless, I'd never say that in this case. over time, I do end up deleting a lot though.
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Of course you could shunt what you delete to cloud storage. But the fact you have to pick and choose what to keep on your phone only proves correct what some sites, for example Android Authority, are saying now about devices with 32GB storage: it's really too small these days, so the OP really needs to think this through. Currently Swappa has 64GB models for a low of $280. $200 is an excellent deal for a 32GB device, depending on condition. But is the price worth the potential inconvenience the smaller amount of storage may impose?