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OK...so MUCH THANKS to Mr. Carlisle for gettin me all squared away with rooting my Hero and upgrading to Froyo 2.2. All back ups complete, apps downloaded and only major bug thus far is the camera...SO....why is my battery running at 105 degrees on average? What should the normal range be? I turn it on @ 6 am after charging to 100% and wiping battery stats and ten hours later recharge it to 100% (Currently @ 50%) and all day the temp has been between 103 and 105. whycome? HELP!

Pauper7 said:
OK...so MUCH THANKS to Mr. Carlisle for gettin me all squared away with rooting my Hero and upgrading to Froyo 2.2. All back ups complete, apps downloaded and only major bug thus far is the camera...SO....why is my battery running at 105 degrees on average? What should the normal range be? I turn it on @ 6 am after charging to 100% and wiping battery stats and ten hours later recharge it to 100% (Currently @ 50%) and all day the temp has been between 103 and 105. whycome? HELP!
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Because on FRF91 on Cyanogen mod (which i assume you are using) is overclocked to 710 mhz, where the hero's processor runs at 528 normally. My suggestion is to download an app called overclock widget from the market, (Obviously, it's a widget and you'll have to add it to your homescreen) and set the minimum and maximum clock (processor) speed to 240mhz(min) and 518mhz [or 534, if you want to, but it won't make much difference] (max).
You can set the max (or minimum) clock speed to be more or less. Lower clock(processor) speed=More lag but better battery life, and potential to freeze your hero because the processor can't operate the system fast enough. Higher clock(processor) speed= Faster and less lag but less battery life and can damage your touch screen (It's happened to me). if you leave it at too high a clock speed for too long, and can also freeze your phone because your processor can't operate at that speed and crashes your phone.
It's up to you if you want to overclock or not, but you should keep it resonable, and if you have heavy phone usage, don't go much further than 613 mhz for your max. There is also another program called set cpu that is avalible for free for xda members, but is a paid app on the market. Using that, you can set your frequencies to the default hero processor, or of other phones. But overclocking over 710mhz could do some harm to your phone, so be careful.
If you say, "I wonder if this will damage my phone," then don't take the chance without asking around first.

If you have any more questions about overclock, pm me, and I can help you out.

That temperature range, ~40C is completely normal when charging and using at the same time (with me, anyway). I'm OC'ed to 710 and using undervolt, too. The highest I've ever seen mine go is 43C, or about 109F. I don't really know where the "danger zone" is, but if I had to guess it would be around 48C or higher.
Edit: I reread your post, and do you mean it's at 40C always, even when it's sitting doing nothing? If that's the case then follow Ryoma Echizen's advice and fine-tune your CPU speed.

Post your SetCPU Profiles

748/245
Temp < 50C 245/245 100
Screen Off 245/245 90
Charging/Full 719/245 80
Battery <40% 604/245 70
All ondemand

Temp > 42.1 528/245
Screen Off 528/160
Charging/Full 768/768
Battery <100% 768/245
that's listed by priority

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Temp > 42.1 528/245
Screen Off 528/160
Charging/Full 768/768
Battery
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Screen Off: 245-480
**Stock is 245-245. 160 as a minimum seems to produce a LOT of wait time from when the call is coming in to when the phone lights up. More than 245 seems to whack the battery.
Keep in mind, when you wake up your phone, this Screen Off SetCPU Profile is active for at least a SECOND or two. The problem is that if you have your maximum at 245, you experience BAD lag trying to pull the lock bar down. At 245-480, the maximum is high enough that a) the lock bar pulls down as smoothly as a stock Eris, and b) even if SetCPU takes a couple of seconds to change the profile, at least you're at 480mhz for the first scrolling of the screen left/right (so you don't embarass yourself in front of iphone users). Anything higher than 480mhz is a different voltage. Almost the whole time your phone is 'Screen Off', it will be operating at 245 anyway. So 480 is a good setup for it to jump up when a call comes in (to play the ringtone and show the picture a little faster, and for the lock screen bar to pull down smoothly, and the first second of SenseUI to be smooth enough, until your phone changes the profile to your <100% profile.
Battery <100% 245-806
** Zanfur's take on how this processor clocks up/down its speeds will lend itself to a general wisdom that 768mhz isn't really slower than 806mhz, and that in instances of high variability of clock speed (aka you have some Power Save bias in SetCPU keeping it lower/higher at random, or you're doing very intermittent tasks), the processor rests at 768mhz more quickly, and wastes less time/'effort' changing speeds. Changing to 806 is another 'step' altogether, where 245 to 528 is one 'step', and that to 768 is another 'step'. Going to 806 is absolutely another step yet after that (which means your phone responds a LITTLE slower because it has one more step to 'throttle' up to). BUT, if you're doing a dedicated task, such as running a Linpack benchmark (which is a terrible benchmark anyway) your phone will move faster at 806, or if you're playing a game, or playing a video... generally the processor will stick at one speed (and not have to 'step' up or down), so 806 is faster. I clock friends' phones at 768 to avoid problems, keep it clean, etc etc. Some people put the minimum here at 160mhz, but I feel that this is too low (and another 'step', just like 806 is over 768, 160 is another step down from 245).
Charing (any) 480-806
** I keep the minimum here HIGHER than when the phone is on battery, because I'm less concerned about how much energy it's consuming, and having a minimum of 480 makes the phone very snappy no matter what, from the second you touch it
Overheating > 48C 122-528
** Clock speed here matters a LOT less than just getting your phone out of the heat. This phone doesn't overheat because it's overclocked, it overheats because you run it at an overclocked speed for a long time. MOST overheating instances are from wireless tethering and from broken charging systems (that keep trying to charge the battery and generate a lot of heat). The 'Failsafe' profile here provides a 'notification' option which I HIGHLY recommend.
My ex-gf's Eris actually CAUGHT FIRE, as in it looked like it was a zippo, right above the volume buttons. It used to overheat EVERY NIGHT that it was on the charger, excessively, so hot that you couldn't touch it. For a month or two it did this, actually, and caused no real damage to the phone. Since the night of the Flame (you can actually see the melted plastic and even on the outer case - she has a blue snap shell case on it that is melted as well), the phone has NOT overheated even one time on the charger. (Sorry for the story, it was a waste of time).
The point is that, the first time it happened, her phone System sound was on Silent, and she DIDN'T hear the notification that her phone was overheating. Apparently it doesn't matter (or she's very lucky her phone isn't damaged in terms of its operation!) how much it overheats for some people, but I like to have it warn me it's getting close to 50C. The notification's the important part there (so u can cool your eris), not the clock speed.

@pkopalek I like your settings you posted with a full description of each. I changed my settings to yours and give it a day or so and will report a status update as to performance quality

I've never lagged at 160mhz =p but that could just be my phones/ roms.

Hungry Man said:
I've never lagged at 160mhz =p but that could just be my phones/ roms.
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my audio skips and it won't wake up when in a call at 160mhz. I keep mine at 245mhz minimum to keep phone working smoothly.

What does the different prioritys mean? Is that like what one its.focused on more?
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How do you guys clock your CPU so high? Whenever I try anything over 729 bad stuff happens. If I put it on 748 it lags and if i try 768 it freezes up. You guys are all using the droid eris right? What ROMs and kernels are you running? I'm on Kaosfroyo

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How do you guys clock your CPU so high? Whenever I try anything over 729 bad stuff happens. If I put it on 748 it lags and if i try 768 it freezes up. You guys are all using the droid eris right? What ROMs and kernels are you running? I'm on Kaosfroyo
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When a processor is made at the factory, it will always have flaws in it. The chip is tested to see what frequency it is stable at. So that is the speed that is stamped on the chip and the frequency that it is set at to operate for the consumer and not have any problems. When you overclock a processor, you are bypassing the frequency that the chip as been deemed to be stable at. After that, there is no set speed that your processor can handle, because each one is different according to the flaws it might have.
So in short (what I'm trying to say), the processor in your phone just can't handle those without causing problems. That's why when you overclock it, it's kind of a trial-and-error process to see what speed you can get out of it, but be careful, because too high can cause permanent damage.

Using Interactive governor
Main: 787/710
Temp > 42.1 C: 480/245 Priority: 100
Screen Off: 480/245 Priority: 95
Charging/Full: 480/245 Priority: 90

[Q] dynamic overclocking

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I use setcpu to do this.
Look into the governors, choose one.
Then choose the appropriate thresholds (in the advanced menu) for what you do.
It doesn't allow you to tweak per app, but tells the cpu governor at what %of cpu to move to the next cpu speed (up or down).
I set mine very low, as i care more about battery than performance. So my up threshold is like 95% or something.
But my down threshold is a lot more agressive.
But you do the opposite.
MuF123 said:
Hello,
my question is regarding dynamic overclocking. I've used the ones that raise the speed when under a load - but my question is -
Is there a way to return to stock clocks after certain time?
Explanation:
situation1: I want to check new single mail or open new single IM or check university's website for some news, I want the device to be FAST as possible, nevermind the battery.
situation2: I want to use maps/navigation/IM/games/web browsing for longer period of time (hours?) with the screen on. I don't need all the power when I play solitaire, text on IM or browse not-so-important news websites.
I think when I've seen the realtime clock displayed on my phone it jumped to max clock right after I've clicked almost anything on the screen. I want the speed-up, but after certain period of time to stop doing this in favor of the battery life-time.
Any ideas how to do this? Thanks!
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Yes, just throttle the cpu to give you more power when you are sluggish. That could work for you.
Me? I have my droid do 110 when screen is off (works quite well!), and then I FORCE the unit to 1000 when plugged in. Besides that i throttle the cpu based on battery power: more cpu power with more battery life. Makes my droid last longer.
I might want to add a throttle up when sluggish and not in my personal battery red zone and a throttle down when the cpu gets too hot period.
Any cpu frequencies that you all would suggest?

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MuF123 said:
Thanks for the reply, but - think about this, I will start a 3D game, it will use 100% of the cpu so it would always stay at the highest possible frequency (+highest voltage). I don't want that.
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I dont get it?
You dont want max speed in game? Why do you overclock?
If the game requires 100%, the it will (and should) clock up.
As soon as the game doesnt, it will clock down (depends on your threshold).
The only other i could see, is to change the max clock rate in setcpu before you play the game. This will ensure it doesnt clock higher than your choice, but requires a manual step.
But seriously, if your cpu is pegged at 100, why would you not want it to step up the higher speed?
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MuF123 said:
exactly - I don't want minimum battery in game, that's why I don't want to overclock.
actually from the nature of 3d rendering I think every game will run at 100%, but the situation when the game hits the frame limiter (not likely on milestone).
I want snappy performance while doing few quick tasks:
e.g.: new IM comes, I want to unlock, load the application, get to the IM, reply, lock. (40seconds)
or
taking phone from cradle - I want the phone to load homescreen fast, rotate the screen, open phone app, to look at last missed call and call back (20seconds).
Battery life won't be affected by 40 or 20seconds of ~1100mhz, okay.
And then I start a game for a prolonged time. It will run smoothly even on 550MHz, the additional frames I see are just waste of battery = I don't want that.
So now I have two options - either run at max speed and it will be always fast and it will drain my battery when I decide to play for an hour.
OR
I can use default speeds for longer battery life for everything and I will wait an hour to rotate the screen in browser or IM app.
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You could compromise and find a max speed that you could undervolt to make it drain battery like stock. My 800mhz vsel is less than the default vsel @550. So the battery drain is less...
It requires some trial and error, but most "slight" overclocks (700,800; depends on the phone) can be configured to drain less than stock.
Of course, if you feel you need 1000 or 1100, this wont work as it requires increasing the vsel (or at least not decreasing it).
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[HOW-TO][MOD]Thermal throttling - screen dimming, cpu speed, charging current, etc.

When I bought Xperia T, after a while, I started to be a little disappointed with performance, autobrightness, discharging when playing, etc.
After some digging deeper into this problem, I have found, that cpu is throttled by temperature. And not only the cpu.
A few minutes of playing game, cpu goes to 800MHz, display brightness goes to level 100 (max. is 255), wall charger current is reduced (even when connected, it is discharging), radio power is reduced, etc.
Change it yourself:
Example:
xo_therm 14 -1000 380 20 NOTIFY CAM_NORMAL cpu_perflevel:1728000 charge_current_limit:0 usb_current_limit:1 modem_level0 lcd_brightnesslevel:240
xo_therm 14 = sensor step
-1000 = -100,0°C
380 = 38,0°C
20 = don't know (maybe some kind of sample rate?)
NOTIFY CAM_NORMAL = obvious (camera)
cpu_perflevel:1728000 = cpu frequency
charge_current_limit:0 = obvious (0 is 1300mA I think, 1 is 1100mA, 2 is 900mA, etc.)
usb_current_limit:1 = obvious (has impact on charging too)
modem_level0 = power of modem
lcd_brightnesslevel:240 = obvious (0 - 255)
Set the highest temperatures, with low enough frequencies and charging current values, to let phone cool down.
"gpu_perflevel" can be used too and there are some other thermal sensors in sysmon.cfg, which are also responsible for thermal throttling.
Disclaimer:
Each device is different and I am not responsible, if your device burns with some values from here.
Both CPU cores always on:
Echo 1 in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online and change permissions to 444. And if you want to prevent errors from log (and maybe some unwanted wake locks), rename /system/bin/mpdecision to something else or delete it.

what is temp at what cpu throttles (and other things)?
seems it is lower than other devices, something like 40C, i think my sgs3s was at 76C or similar.. not sure, will check later.
sgs3 was a very hot phone.
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You can see the temperatures in sysmon.cfg - xo_therm 400 500 = 40 - 50°C for example. Cpu temperature, not battery. There is no tool to monitor cpu temperature, but if you set your own frequencies, you can see with Cool Tool, how long it takes to the lowest frequency.

peetr_ said:
You can see the temperatures in sysmon.cfg - xo_therm 400 500 = 40 - 50°C for example. Cpu temperature, not battery. There is no tool to monitor cpu temperature, but if you set your own frequencies, you can see with Cool Tool, how long it takes to the lowest frequency.
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thanks, will check. i am on cm10 and didn't notice throttling yet, but i will check now as it is ****ty if so.
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I have noticed the throttling but it doesn't affect the performance in my case, playing games and watching HD video are fine, just annoying when the screen suddenly does dim.
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@OP:
If you don't want throttling, uninstall Androids inbuilt Thermal monitor(No need to tell you the risk by doing that I guess).

Thanks for you valuable advice.

Don't think it would help as that file says 2nd core off values are hardcoded
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I think, that it works, because I tested it and I am using my own values.

Good thing I won't be playing games when my T will arrive

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Still? Damn how long do they take ? -.-
Here is the .apk of the old version. No idea how much works and what doesn't!

Hello,
Could it be some kind of default on your device ? or maybe the application ?
Cause I remember Qualcomm's communicating on their S4 being "cooler" than its opponents when under heavy load.
Can someone else confirm ?
What's strange is that the game you mention (Osmos HD, which I bought some time ago for my TF101) does not even use super high end 3D graphics etc etc ... maybe the perf drop could come much quicker with some cpu/gpu intensive apps.
If confirmed, it might even become a big "no go" on this phone for me.
Nickola

nickola said:
Hello,
Could it be some kind of default on your device ? or maybe the application ?
Cause I remember Qualcomm's communicating on their S4 being "cooler" than its opponents when under heavy load.
Can someone else confirm ?
What's strange is that the game you mention (Osmos HD, which I bought some time ago for my TF101) does not even use super high end 3D graphics etc etc ... maybe the perf drop could come much quicker with some cpu/gpu intensive apps.
If confirmed, it might even become a big "no go" on this phone for me.
Nickola
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I've had this phone for a while now and I haven't had a bit of lag while playing any game I have. Everything seems fine except the sudden dimming of the screen when playing games. Don't let this put you off buying the phone, its a great phone
Edit: been playing Osmos HD for at least 25 minutes, I'm experiencing no such lag or performance issue. Only the dimming issue I seem to get.

Well, after some more investigation, I have found, that lags in Osmos HD are not caused by cpu throttling, but wifi disconnecting.
Playing the game is fine, but still, with default settings the temperature is going high and except the screen dimming, cpu goes to 800MHz, (1 core disabled on highest temperature), and phone is discharging even when connected to wall charger.
It seems to me, that the overheating is not caused that much by cpu, but gpu. It would be nice, if it could be tested somehow by lowering the frequency of gpu.

I wonder if the heating issues could be fixed with software patches. Given Sony's desire to incorporate playstation stuff, I find it hard to believe there is some sort of hardware issue.
Wish we could get some more samples to work with.
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Just measured with my settings (in the room - about 23°C):
10 minutes of playing Osmos HD without charging = 62°C CPU temp
With one core running on 1350 MHz and LCD brightness value 150, it's not increasing anymore.
When charging, the temperature will go higher. I will test it too.

peetr_ said:
Just measured with my settings (in the room - about 23°C):
10 minutes of playing Osmos HD without charging = 62°C CPU temp
With one core running on 1350 MHz and LCD brightness value 150, it's not increasing anymore.
When charging, the temperature will go higher. I will test it too.
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Have you tried treppn profiler?
Anandtech says a CPU core draws around 450-750mW while gpu goes 800-1200mW!
Seems like 400mhz is a hard Task for an 225.

If you are still on ics maybe try jellybean? Perhaps project butter may more efficiently handle the gpu.
Maybe even make a list of "stress test" for people to try and see what the various results are.
If all else fails try undervolting the gpu and cpu.
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Haldi4803 said:
Have you tried treppn profiler?
Anandtech says a CPU core draws around 450-750mW while gpu goes 800-1200mW!
Seems like 400mhz is a hard Task for an 225.
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Yes, I tried trpn profiler provided by you, but there are limited options.
It looks like the GPU cannot handle this frequency.
Undervolting won't help anything, but lowering GPU frequency would help I guess. But this cannot be done without custom kernel, allowing this.

LegibleEel said:
I've had this phone for a while now and I haven't had a bit of lag while playing any game I have. Everything seems fine except the sudden dimming of the screen when playing games. Don't let this put you off buying the phone, its a great phone
Edit: been playing Osmos HD for at least 25 minutes, I'm experiencing no such lag or performance issue. Only the dimming issue I seem to get.
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Same here. I've been playing Speedball 2 and GTA3 mainly but I have played a few others too and haven't experienced any lag and no performance issues observed at all.

[Q] 1% Batteryconsumption per two minutes normal?

Hey guys,
I just wondered if you guys have the same problem that you lose 1% battery every 2 minutes when you´re having your display on. I know it´s quite known that big screens suck the battery like a vampire but that´s just odd, because I don´t even have to do anything with the phone just staring at the activated display.
I´ve had these troubles from the beginning with FW 10G then updatet to 10H and did factory reset- nothing changed. I tried different brightness levels without any differences in battery consumption, which is totally uncommon. And the freaky thing is there is no difference whether I have airplanemod on, wifi turned off and so on. It is always the same... Although when the display is off there is as good as no consumption but really 1% battery per 2 minutes that´s just sick. I can´t believe it.
Now i wondered if this is normal or if I should turn it to the customers service to check it.
Please tell me if you explored the same things with your LG 4X HD

Well i found it odd too but if you would root the phone and install something like setcpu you would actually see
Min CPU Freq --------------- 1.5 GHz
Max CPU Freq -------------- 1.5 Ghz
Er yeah .... after saying that i think you know why its using the battery so fast. I rooted my brothers phone and changed the clockspeeds , but no matter how low i set the min freq on "no frills cpu control" it always shows on the toast message 750 Mhz or somewhere around that.

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Well i found it odd too but if you would root the phone and install something like setcpu you would actually see
Min CPU Freq --------------- 1.5 GHz
Max CPU Freq -------------- 1.5 Ghz
Er yeah .... after saying that i think you know why its using the battery so fast. I rooted my brothers phone and changed the clockspeeds , but no matter how low i set the min freq on "no frills cpu control" it always shows on the toast message 750 Mhz or somewhere around that.
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Well thank you... I´ve rooted it and thought it had something to do with apps running in the background but it didn´t help at all so I thought this can´t be, mine must be wrong somehow.
Especially because i haven´t heard anything in reviews or forums about this rapid battery drain. This is something I´m wondering most, how can a phone taking so much battery be rated so high It sucked 3% watching a 3 minute video on youtube...
I won´t think I´m going to be happy with this phone and the best is when I contacted customers service later today they told me to send it in because its not normal, but now that you said the cpu is set this high no matter what, I can just suggest they don´t know anything about their phones...
Bet the only reward I get sending it in is "all is fine our phone likes to suck your battery, so what? Just keep the display off"

Screen off "deep sleep" battery drain is quite bad too ..

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Screen off "deep sleep" battery drain is quite bad too ..
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For me. The battery says its fully charged after 1hr. But it actually takes 3-4hrs befire it reaches the absolute full capacity.
Battery lasts twice as long then...
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