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I tried to Hard Reset my XDA IIi as one day right half of the screen was not responding to stylus. Now major problem as it is stuck on Align screen. Tried many times to hard reboot it but the same problem. Then I drained both batteries but the problem is there. Now I tried starting it up while pressing at the same time power button, action button and soft reset button. I am getting a dimmed screen which says Serial and at the bottom v1.01 nothingelse.
It synchronises with my PC and I can see the files are there but no idea as to why it will not start.
HELP, PLEASE!
upsbsh
Location: UK
Device(s): XDA IIi 1.60.50
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Most strange death of XDA IIi
Also some other reports on other models:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=285578&highlight=#285578
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50142&highlight=align
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48540&highlight=align
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27054&highlight=align
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=37570&highlight=align
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=5548&highlight=align
Hang on... You put your device into bootloader mode, docked it and it synced ok and let you see your files? That doesn't sound right at all. When I put my Alpine into bootloader mode (when I was updating the Radio firmware once upon a time) once the phone was in bootloader mode (with the plain black Version 1.01 text on a blank screen) I couldn't sync my device or see any of the files held in RAM, so it sounds like there's really something wrong with your unit.
Have you tried (re)installing the same version of firmware, see if that does the job? It sounds like a deep-rooted software issue....
well, in bootloader mode, nothing to see of course. however, while stuck in the dead-loop of 'aligh screen', synchroniser still works and you can see everything inside! strange!!! beats me.
i tried before to detach the battery for a few hours so as to drain the backup battery. it didn't work for me. shall post again if it works for me if i leave it longer...
i reloaded 1.11.162 and 1.11.172 rom rom o2 and also the o2-stripped version with 1.04 radio, respectively, but none worked...
don't know if wm5 would help, but it's not available for IIi.
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Beginning to sound like you have a hardware fault then, if you've tried multiple different firmwares on fresh installs... Is the device still in warranty?
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Beginning to sound like you have a hardware fault then, if you've tried multiple different firmwares on fresh installs... Is the device still in warranty?
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had the same problem before..located the problem..and guess what..the screen is screwed..your only remedy is to replace the screen..damn costly as well..or dump the pda and get a new one ...
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Beginning to sound like you have a hardware fault then, if you've tried multiple different firmwares on fresh installs... Is the device still in warranty?
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had the same problem before..located the problem..and guess what..the screen is screwed..your only remedy is to replace the screen..damn costly as well..or dump the pda and get a new one ...
dvng said:
had the same problem before..located the problem..and guess what..the screen is screwed..your only remedy is to replace the screen..damn costly as well..or dump the pda and get a new one ...
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Wow, an insightful technical answer there then....and it's also a wrong one.
The failure of the digitiser overlay could be down to foreign objects stuck between the screen and the casing rim ( crumbs, solid dust etc etc), or warping / damage to the pressure sensitive overlay - look for scratches or 'puddle' areas on the screen that *look* like water between the sections - these are where the overlay is touching the digitiser glass and if this happens then the screen cannot calibrate as the pressure is not uniform. Heat can also warp the plastic overlay. Or, the connection between the overlay ribbon and screen ribbon could have become loose / broken.
In all instances if the digitiser is damaged you do NOT need an entire screen if the display is still working - you need to open the phone, remove the digitiser frame from the LCD assembly, source a new one and solder back on.
Digitisers are about £35 or so when they come up on ebay, I source mine from PDA's with broken LCD's - if you cannot get the exact type most of a similar size can be made to work - there are only 4 connections.
Now it may be difficult for the novice to do or hard to find a digitiser, but a 'new screen' is NOT the only option in this case just becuase *you* cannot do it or hadn't thought of it.
Richard.
Interesting that, because on my PDA I had that "water" effect in the centre of the screen (where I just bunged my Alpine in my pocket, and it got pushed against my thigh) - I put a screen cover on mine, and it seems to have solved the problem - it must be the even amount of surface tension applied across the top screen surface which has gradually pulled it away from the digitiser overlay layer, solving the problem.
I never had any accuracy problems anyway, and I succesfully realigned my screen a few times (just because I like tweaking) to see if it made a difference with the screen making contact with the digitiser overlay, and it always worked fine - but buying a £5 screen protector and seeing if that makes a difference could be a cheaper alternative to getting a new digitiser overlay.
[edit] Woop! 200th post. Time to crack open a beer [/edit]
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dvng said:
had the same problem before..located the problem..and guess what..the screen is screwed..your only remedy is to replace the screen..damn costly as well..or dump the pda and get a new one ...
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Wow, an insightful technical answer there then....and it's also a wrong one.
The failure of the digitiser overlay could be down to foreign objects stuck between the screen and the casing rim ( crumbs, solid dust etc etc), or warping / damage to the pressure sensitive overlay - look for scratches or 'puddle' areas on the screen that *look* like water between the sections - these are where the overlay is touching the digitiser glass and if this happens then the screen cannot calibrate as the pressure is not uniform. Heat can also warp the plastic overlay. Or, the connection between the overlay ribbon and screen ribbon could have become loose / broken.
In all instances if the digitiser is damaged you do NOT need an entire screen if the display is still working - you need to open the phone, remove the digitiser frame from the LCD assembly, source a new one and solder back on.
Digitisers are about £35 or so when they come up on ebay, I source mine from PDA's with broken LCD's - if you cannot get the exact type most of a similar size can be made to work - there are only 4 connections.
Now it may be difficult for the novice to do or hard to find a digitiser, but a 'new screen' is NOT the only option in this case just becuase *you* cannot do it or hadn't thought of it.
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actuallly..before i concluded that the screen was screwed..i have tried all the options that was mentioned by you..the digitiser overlay is not easily fixed or replaceable..in fact i have opened up the casing..clean it and also check the ribbon connectors in case it was loose..someone have tried to remove the digitiser and failed as the digitiser glass is extremely brittle and cracked whislt removing it..digitisers are also hard to come by and apparently they dont sell them separately now..only source is from a used lcd screen..the most convenient after all failed way was actually to replace the screen..
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dvng said:
actuallly..before i concluded that the screen was screwed..i have tried all the options that was mentioned by you..the digitiser overlay is not easily fixed or replaceable..in fact i have opened up the casing..clean it and also check the ribbon connectors in case it was loose..someone have tried to remove the digitiser and failed as the digitiser glass is extremely brittle and cracked whislt removing it..digitisers are also hard to come by and apparently they dont sell them separately now..only source is from a used lcd screen..the most convenient after all failed way was actually to replace the screen..
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Nope, they're all over ebay from taiwan for about £25 plus postage but this is just the overlay with glass not the frame, and they *are* easy to fit - I've done a how to guide I'll post later. You don't need to remove the old one in one piece to fit the new one....
You said a new screen was 'the only remedy' - it isn't.
Richard
Interesting, interesting - I look forward to seeing that guide!
Hello,
I have the same problem described above, so my XDA2i is
stuck on the first screen align window and can't go over...
I wish to buy only the digitizer from an ebay user, but I have some questions:
-is the digitizer solded on the LCD?
-are the digitizer and the LCD two single parts?
-there's an howTo guide to disassemble the XDA2i?
thanks
Alessandro
Hello everyone!
I actually managed to change the digitizer of the LCD of XDA II. To answer the previous questions first:
Yes - the digitizer can be separated from LCD, although it is not easy. I used an old fashioned razor blade to do it, since these are very,very thin and do not put excessive pressure onto the digitizer screen during the pressure. The digitizer is made of very fragile glass panel and glued onto LCD with a double sided sellotape (at least looks like it, when removed..) Glue is very sticky and I had to take great care not to brake the old digitizer - took me 2h to remove it. In general braking the old one is not really a big deal as long as the LCD itself is not damaged by the sharp edges of the digitizer glass. Since the risk is there I figured I'd spend a bit more time on removal but at least be sure about a positive outcome of the project. There was a certain screen protector on my device, not installed by me since I acquired the gadget on e-bay. I took care of removing it from digitizer first and only then proceeded to remove the digitizer from LCD.
The digitizer has 4 connections soldered to the LCD. Opening the soldered contacts is simple, if one has any background in soldering at all. The difficult part is to remove the digitizer from LCD, really. Another difficult part seemed to be the soldering of the new one. There are XDA digitizers on the ebay, they do not have the same contact as the XDA manufactured ones so the really difficult part was figuring out how to create the contact. The old one had 4 contacts soldered in a small rectangle going clockwise from lowest left towards lowest right..
The solution does not look exactly elegant, but who cares how the gadget looks on the inside, as long as it works! The 4 contact block of the newly bought digitizer was divided into 4 separate hair-thin contacts and the two outermost contacts (those that come on the left lowest corner and right lowest corner of the small rectangle connection) were soldered first, then a bit of an isolation tape (a simple synthetic tape used for paper repairs et cetera) was applied over the freshly soldered contacts to prevent short circuiting. After that the two upper contacts were soldered and those covered with another piece of tape.
The new digitizer came with double sided tape as well, so after careful alignment it was easy to glue it in the place of the old one. The main thing during this process is to clean the LCD and digitizer from all dirt and fingerprints, I used alchol for that - vodka, to be exact. I reapplied the screen protector to the casing before putting the complete lcd+digitizer block into the device, but I suppose not all screen protectors can be reapplied that easily..
In the end the connection looked crazy but in principle all was as should be and after the reassembly the device was 100% alive again with the screen aligning properly! It was certainly a risky business but I bought the faulty XDA for 60GBP and the digitizer for 10GBP, 70GBP for a fully working XDA is a bargain I think, not to mention an excellent adrenaline rush during some moments of the project
I can provide the pictures of the finished connection if needed, it will require me to disassemble my Alpine again though..
I'd definitely find some photos useful - stick em up on flickr for us please, thanks
Excellent to hear that you got it all sorted, and got a bargain out of it. I don't think my wobbly soldering iron skills would be quite up to what you managed to achieve (usually I end up cauterising more skin than I do soldering wires whenever I have to solder as part of my Uni course, it's a bit of a love/hate relationship between me and soldering irons... I love to hate them).
OK, my apologies for the quality of pictures - smartphones are not too great in this respect and I do not have a digital camera. The big grainy one is my XDA - notice the medusa-like wire cluster next to the shiny manufacturers soldering The second picture shows the actual digitizer that was installed, here note the connector - that had to be divided by scalpel.
Excellent mate, thanks very much.
Congratulations on that, TommyGun! (Labi, ka ir Jc )
Indeed, without a good friend and solderer Johnc, who himself uses mere "phone" all this might have gone otherwise Hail to soldermasters!
Dissamble O2 XDA 2i
Hello all
I've got this problem with my old trust O2 XDA 2i now. I cannot get past the alignment screen at the momemt.
Looks like I would have to disassemble it now and replace the digitiser.. Would a clean up help or should I try to completely replace the digitiser?
Any guide/ steps to disassemble the XDA 2i would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Kunal
I have had my phone open a few times...
1) To replace Vario III case with Kaiser case
2) To fix faulty keyboard, had to bend some of the aluminium on the bottom of the keyboard unit.
So I know my way around inside and haven't broken anything... yet!
Anyway, my screen is very scratched so I want a new digitizer, they're significantly cheaper than a whole LCD assembly. I got one for £5, the assembly is over £30.
I did read on some thread that the digitiser WILL perish as I separate it from the LCD screen. Is this true? If so how easy is the clean up job?
Also, the official kaiser service manual shows the LCD and Digitiser held together with tape on the outside and not double sided tape or glue like the actual assembly looks like.
Has anyone done this before? Is there a decent risk of damaging the LCD itself or to be on the save side should I just buy the whole assembly?
I have the digitiser here and ready to go as long as I can get some info from someone who has tried this.
Cheers
Sorry bump.
to be honest there will be soldering involved and u need special equipment for that ribbon
look at http://rapidshare.com/files/103168855/HTC_Kaiser_Service_Manual_jas_pik.pdf
there is detailed procedure and all the tools needed, i believe the tools are basics, and i dont think they will be expensive to have, as matter of fact, i think buying a tool box is an asset.
best luck ...
Hi!
The service manual linked to does not specifically contain information about replacing the digitizer, just how to assembly it.
Do I need a certain kind of black tape to attach it? Is that the only way it is connected to the LCD itself?
Mine is also very scratched, and I would like to replace it, preferably done by myself.
Any tips?
Cheers
a good insulation tape (anti-static prefered) will do the job
browneye said:
Do I need a certain kind of black tape to attach it? Is that the only way it is connected to the LCD itself?
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Hi, the other day I dropped my Galaxy S I9000 on the concrete and shattered the digitizer. The screen still works alright and the touch portion of the screen still works 100%, but there's a few big cracks in the screen.
Optus want to charge me $150+ (I don't have insurance on it plus it's "out of warranty" because I flashed 2.2 on it) while a repairman in Melbourne quoted $150 neat (but couldn't do it because their main tech was away). I've seen a few sellers on eBay selling these parts for $99 with a mini toolkit but I'm not sure if they are the Super AMOLED that is in the original phone or just an LCD screen that may or may not have the same resolution or quality
Has anyone replaced the screen on an I9000? From what I can gather, the screen and the digitizer are one so you can't buy a digitizer only. I've also seen that the connecting ribbon on the phone is glued into place and you must be very careful when removing it.
Any thoughts are welcome. I can still use the phone just fine, but I don't want to risk any further damage to the screen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745262
digitizer only available here
I had the same problem. Found this but haven't had it delivered or tried to fix it yet. You managed to find/fit one yet? I'm worried that it will be had to separate the screen and digitizer, will let you know how i get on.
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Hello everyone!
I bought a Xperia Z1 two weeks ago, and it was the best phone I have ever had.
However my idiot brother Managed to crack the Digitizer a few days back, the display is still working and the phone powers up but the touch panel is unresponsive.
(He was playing with one of those Heavy Snake Egg magnets, he threw the magnet into the air, and landed right on my phone. I'm surprised the Display is still working. )
Anyways, I was wondering if anyone here has replaced only the Touch Panel. I know on the Xperia Z1 its fused with the LCD, however with a machine like the Scotle PR-1000 its possible to separate the LCD from the touch panel.
Here is the link to a video showing the process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8bZi3FreMk
Now I have a few questions such as:
-With this method, wont the LCD display be scratched up as well?
-When I replace the touch screen with a new touch panel using this method, will it look normal? Or will it look like it has been opened and repaired?
-With a new digitizer, is the phone still waterproof capable? (I dont really care about the waterproof capabilities that much anyways.)
Thanks!
Can anyone help me?
You could just replace the entire display module, digitizer, LCD, and all. This would be the cleaner and easier way of replacing it with fewer potential problems. As far as waterproofing goes, I am not sure. Those are sort of uncharted waters (no pun intended) as far as repairs go. If I were you, I would assume not just to be on the safe side, until further knowledge presented itself. I hope this info helps!
FOr the past few days thats what I was thinking.
Especially since where I live most Cellphone "technicians" are just people with a very limited knowledge of electronics, and would most probably mess up the phone even further.
after placing a few calls to some shops I managed to find a replacement LCD+Digitizer+Frame, but I do not know how good the quality of the replacement unit would be.
Dear WEM97 and other users,
I have the same problem as Akash434. Could you please briefly elaborate on what the (potential) problem could be with just replacing the Digitizer. I can't really decide what to replace the LCD+Digitizer or only Digitizer. I understand replacing the whole LCD unit along is a far, far easier process. But cost wise it's also almost the double (atleast where i live).
Upon removing the Digitizer, should the old glue be removed (if any). What kind of glue should I use to stick the new Digitizer? Will u see that there was glue used? These are just a few questions I am struggling with.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
PS: I apologize for any grammar mistakes. English is not my native language.
you can't do this without a professional machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMj-aWbttJk
This is my video and the description will send you to the links to fix it yourself
Otherwise get a shop to fix it... although most regular shops won't fix it... or get sony to fix it if you wanna continue your warranty
Place the phone on a heatable-3dprinter-bed and warme it up the temperature you want - digitizer was falling of the display last time i repaired my z1. I heated it up to disassemble. Now it is cracked again and i just don´t know how to glue the digitizer on... If i would change digitizer
hi...
i have a d802 device with broken screen glass...
touch & gestures work... screen works... it only has a few cracks on it...
can i just replace the front glass (cheaper solution?) or must i replace the whole digitizer and front panel...
any suggestions on trusted online shops thazt sell genuine LG d802 parts?
thanks in advance
Digitizer and glass is a single unit, and is readily available on ebay (for cheap) so there is that. The thing is that it is next to impossible to separate the glass from the display itself, and without professional tools the result of the reassembly will be quite awful. The best would be to exchange the display assembly as a whole. This is actually done quite easily. Lots of guides are available online, which just makes the process even easier.
Also for where to get the displays. You can actually contact LG or one of their service providers to purchase the display assembly. This way you are completely sure to get a top quality product. This is a tad more expensive though.
Ebay is also another place to get displays, the quality varies greatly here (have gotten anything ranging from completely original to barely functioning knock off. )
Etradesupply is apparently the best place to get displays at the moment, as their S+ grade is comparable to the ones you get from LG
http://www.etradesupply.com/lg-g2-d802-lcd-screen-and-digitizer-assembly-black.html
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Digitizer and glass is a single unit, and is readily available on ebay (for cheap) so there is that. The thing is that it is next to impossible to separate the glass from the display itself, and without professional tools the result of the reassembly will be quite awful. The best would be to exchange the display assembly as a whole. This is actually done quite easily. Lots of guides are available online, which just makes the process even easier.
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yes, i saw some youtube tutorials and removing glass from digitizer is a pain in the a$$, it can be done using hot air to melt the glue - but it's a time consuming process...
what interests me more is a whole screen section (glass+digitizer) and buying a proper genuine one for d802 (i think some people had issues with installing wrong panels from other variants to their d802 model)
thanks for your helpful answer :good:
60nine said:
yes, i saw some youtube tutorials and removing glass from digitizer is a pain in the a$$, it can be done using hot air to melt the glue - but it's a time consuming process...
what interests me more is a whole screen section (glass+digitizer) and buying a proper genuine one for d802 (i think some people had issues with installing wrong panels from other variants to their d802 model)
thanks for your helpful answer :good:
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The thing is that the D800 and Veriozon models (as I recall) uses different digitizers. The connectors for these should not physically be able to connect to the D802 motherboard.
But to be able to cure the optically clear glue used for displays you will not only need an uv light but also lots of practice. Air bubbles get caught under the glass way too easily for it to be viable.
One more thing to note. the LCD itself is too easy to bend. Any flex will destroy it. Should also note that I too have watched the video where someone separates the G2 glass from the LCD and have tried to follow along multiple times. Every time resulting the same way. LCD breakage. Both times the polarizing filter got unstuck. So if you really want to go this route, my advice would be to find a professional to do the job.
Recently I had same problem: cracked digitizer. After my experience - first trying to replace only digitizer - NOT GOOD. I had to buy a whole set - digitizer and LCD. Just pay attention to your type of LG G2 - you can find all the types. But I am not sure if you can find a genuine replacement. Usually they are substitute, with no logo. But everything works fine. Pay attention also to where and how the connectors are placed and the most important thing - after you took out the old LCD give it a good heat to the back of the battery pack because is stuck with strong biadhesives and try not to pry too much the battery.
I just replaced mine G2 D802 (from 2013) Lcd, you need to replace the whole thing (screen+lcd)I think, you can buy the Lcd from the Internet. I bought the lcd about $50 and got the shop to replace it for $6. Now my G2 is like new.