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1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
SysAdmNj said:
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
CEaton said:
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
I will join you in this boycott.
I currently have an unlocked i9100 I'm using, and I was SERIOUSLY considering picking up one of these because a) I want to get on an unlimited LTE plan asap as I assume ATT being the douche-nozzles they are will surely take it away soon and b) for use as an LTE modem essentially since I have such a hard time getting data service in downtown chicago. Not anymore! (unfortunately, I also can't justify buying the skyrocket when I already have the gsII, would have been fun to have something different to play with)
I agree, this bootloader locking is BS. Samsung has phones on every carrier, none of them with locked bootloaders. Even my mom's Charge on Verizon (gag) is unlocked.
Well crap! This isn't what I'd like to have seen from you attn1, but at the same time, I'm sure you're tired of holding ppl's hand to try and root/s-off their phones w/your tool.
Le sigh, I was lookin forward to this and hopefully using another fine piece of attn1 software.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I would not use LTE until it is more fully deployed anyway.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I'm not sure what connection issues you are referring to. This is the first I've heard anyone mention that.
I live in an LTE area but work in an HSPA area. No connection issues anywhere, regardless of LTE or not.
I have the SkyRocket though.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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No, carriers do NOT have to agree, as evidenced by current offerings from Samsung, LG and Sony. HTC is using carriers as a excuse to do what they want anyway. Their competition is not. Regardless of who's issue it is, not buying such a device is the best course of action, and if sales are down significantly, will drive change. Even if it doesn't, anyone lurking around on XDA developers would be infinitely better off with a more open device.
I agree somewhat with you, however things to keep in mind.
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
2. Have you contacted HTC as of yet? I have and they said Bootloader shouldn't be locked and if it is ALL devices get an unlock code. I tried to Unlock, and given the device launched on Sunday I am not surprised.
3. HTC is not the only one locking bootloaders, Motorola is FAR WORSE.
Personally I like the phone. I do place custom roms on my devices. As a previous owner of the Droid X and Atrix, I have experienced locked bootloaders.
This phone for me is better than the SGS2. Quirks of the SGS2 Rom with Touch Wiz and not a fully functioning CM yet it wasn't good.
I'l just start off by saying I am not a developer and don't know much about bootloaders and such.. going from a Captivate to the Vivid, I already see a difference in support of development. Is it really this bad?
I'm loving the Vivid as it is, and I HATE stock ROMs, all of them. I just hope that things may change for current Vivid owners.. after all, it's only been two days.
I'm really disappointed with what I'm reading. The Vivid is my first Android device that I've purchased on AT&T, and so far it seems like a great phone. But if devs are saying the device should be boycotted, that doesn't seem like a good sign for future development support.
I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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I had a Vibrant, and when I switched to AT&T, the Infuse was the only good phone on AT&T (I mainly did not want to give up SAMOLED).
I do not want to get another samsung phone, but if I have to get the skyrocket because of HTC's lies, I will.
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I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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Yeah. I mean so what if they may have been hypocritical in promising things they have yet to follow up on. At least give it some time. Something is better than nothing.
Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
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Not true - it may or may not void the warranty, depending on the nature of the problem. That gray area is what HTC fears will cost money. I didn't say AT&T would care about warranty. I said HTC would.
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Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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Recent phones from LG like the Thrill and the 2GS have been unlockable.
All the recent Samsungs are easily unlockable.
HTC already has an unlock for this device - (on Rogers) and excluded AT&T - one of their largest markets.
Hi everyone, first post, go easy on me
Anyway, I picked one of these up at the weekend and I'm very happy with it, but I'd like to try the new roms that are starting to appear. Unfortunately, I'm not able to unlock my bootloader (Bootloader unlock allowed: No). This is on Three UK.
Is there ever likely to be a workaround for this?
I'm gutted
I have the same thing on mine (T-mobile Croatia), I reckon it's a network carrier lock.
But if I have faith in something, then it's in XDA, the place where people turn "you can't do that" into "you can, it's just that no one found a way for it YET"
Let us be patient and see what will happen.
mine is the same
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Same here on O2 UK. I've just arranged sending the XZ back to O2, with this being one of the major factors that made me decide to wait for the S4. Shame.
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mine is the same
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
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That means one thing no fun with xperia z on xda-developers at least for now :crying:
GOOD LUCK
Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Orange Poland.
I can't root my device
That's why I got my phone from a third party (CPW/P4U/etc) they nearly always supply generic handsets that are unlocked and bloat free.
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That's why I got my phone from a third party (CPW/P4U/etc) they nearly always supply generic handsets that are unlocked and bloat free.
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Yup. Always purchase unlocked devices. NEVER count on a manufacturer's locking mechanisms being broken, nor on the lock mechanism returning somehow. (Qualcomm's secure boot infrastructure is quite strong, so it's rare for it to be compromised unless the OEM handset manufacturer screws up. Since the T's locking was never defeated, I wouldn't hold much hope for the Z.)
Vote with your wallet - don't buy a device unless it's unlocked. If you buy a locked-down device and rely on "unsupported" locking mechanisms, you are implicitly saying that you are OK with locked-down devices.
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AW: Bootloader unlock allowed: No.
Branded and/or sim locked Sonys are usually not unlockable. This is documented well enough.
As Entropy said, either buy generic devices from the open market which come slim and neat to begin with or go with an operator which doesn't sim lock or brand devices sold by it.
I can recommend mine, sells devices subsidized if you wish yet still unlockable and the only branding to be found are a different SI than "generic", so I only suffer from delayed updates and nothing else
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Yup. Always purchase unlocked devices. NEVER count on a manufacturer's locking mechanisms being broken, nor on the lock mechanism returning somehow. (Qualcomm's secure boot infrastructure is quite strong, so it's rare for it to be compromised unless the OEM handset manufacturer screws up. Since the T's locking was never defeated, I wouldn't hold much hope for the Z.)
Vote with your wallet - don't buy a device unless it's unlocked. If you buy a locked-down device and rely on "unsupported" locking mechanisms, you are implicitly saying that you are OK with locked-down devices.
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I bought a outright supposedly unlocked Xperia TX for a Sony Central store in Sydney then only to find out it was actually vodafone stock with a locked bootloader.
Hi, can some one help me out here.
I have a XZ which has unlockable bootloader. I have unlocked it and rooted and installed recovery kernal and Xperia Z Revolution rom. All ok.
Now, was just seeing if I ever needed to send phone off for repairs.
So downloaded the lastest flashtool and was successful enough to restore back to the 10.1.A.1.350 Original Sony Unbranded UK Rom.
With flashtool you can now lock the bootloader, so I went ahead and did this but now when checking the bootloader status, it says "Rooting Status: Unknown" and when entering my unlock code in CMD "Failed <remote: Command did not succeed>
How do I fix this so I can unlock the bootloader again?
I don't think your locked. You probably are still unlocked as we cannot relock bootloader yet
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I don't think your locked. You probably are still unlocked as we cannot relock bootloader yet
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Androxyde says we can?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38912420&postcount=29
That's why I tried to lock bootloader after reading that.
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Androxyde says we can?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38912420&postcount=29
That's why I tried to lock bootloader after reading that.
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Aaah. I misread your post. Have u tried unlocking through flashtool
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xl VipeR lx said:
Aaah. I misread your post. Have u tried unlocking through flashtool
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Yeah, get the same error as in cmd.
Contact the dev. They might know more
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Yes I will do, just need to get my post count over 10 before I can post in the development threads.
Don't want to bother people with PM's either.
Let me know how it goes. I was thinking of unlocking and relocking. Out of curiosity. Is your bravia engine working now that you relocked
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Hi all.
First of all let me explain myself, I am a noob but not a total idiot so I am where I am through rational consideration.
I have renewed my contract on three UK, which has just expired. The number one consideration for me is that I have full, unlimited access to the internet with tethering and the only option for this in the UK is on three, on the contract I was already on. Three have an excellent 3g network and are in the process of giving DC-HSPA access and will get LTE-4g before the end of the year. I am guaranteed to automatically get the higher speeds when they are available, still with unlimited tethering at no extra cost. No other tariff can give me all that in the UK. There are sim-only options but they are all short term and do not guarantee me the unlimited tethering I require into the future, and there is a good chance the cost of these tariffs will increase when 4g is rolled out. In short the only option was to renew my contract.
So, I have renewed my contract and got the XZ. The XZ was the only option really after seeing all the developers struggle with Samsung phones and with all the developer friendly support promised by Sony. Whatever I did with my contract I wanted the XZ and I love it.
I knew when I signed the contract that I was taking a gamble on the locked bootloader, but the best option for me was to renew my contract and if the bootloader is locked sell the phone and use the money to partially fund the buying of a bootloader unlockable XZ. I knew that I would probably have to do this and was ready for it when I got the contract. Anyway the bootloader is unlock:no, so I will be carrying out my plan and this XZ will get sold to fund the purchase of an XZ with unlockable bootloader. I am OK with all that and if I sell the XZ for even half it's current value I won't care and will have still made the most financially sensible choice. I will have to buy a phone off contract, but I will still have the tariff I want. If the phone I have had come with an unlockable bootloader I would have been a couple of hundred quid better off, but I had to have a phone on the contract anyway so whatever phone I got would have had to go to get an unlocked XZ. Even if there was a tariff which gave the same allowances I would have had to pay for the handset anyway, and it would have ended up costing more than it is anyway. There is no such tariff anyway and I have made the sensible choice and am happy.
Now on to my question. Obviously I am working up to selling this phone, and figure it will be easier to sell sim-unlocked. Fortunately I live in the UK and network providers are obliged to allow you to unlock your sim. On three I have to wait thirty days and then they will unlock the sim for me. I have decided that the thirty days older the phone is will be offset by it being unlocked and being easier to sell. I am not in a rush to flash roms yet so I get the phone for a while and sell it for the least effort, hopefully when CM is pretty well ready for the phone.
Anyway, all is well and good and I am content.
However there is one possibility I have only recently considered. I am aware that sim-unlocking is a completely different thing than having bootloader unlockable:yes. But I was curious to know if a byproduct of getting the Sim officially unlocked by Three would be a change to the bootloader unlocking status. I don't know enough about how all this works, and as I say, I understand there is a difference between getting the sim-unlocked and the bootloader thing. But might the bootloader lock be somehow dependant on the sim-unlock status. ????
I only ask this out of curiosity.
I will find out for myself soon enough as I will be getting the sim unlocked ready to sell anyway. It will save me a bit of money and a bit of hassle if the bootloader becomes unlockable and I won't have to part with a phone I have become attached to and know is a good one, it doesn't have any of the issues some people seem to be having with their XZ's.
Either way in a couple of weeks I will have an XZ with an unlockable bootloader as CM has become a must for me.
If i buy the sprint device device at full price from amazon, will it be unlocked? Or have a chance to be unlocked?
The phone will be no different than the one sold at subsidized prices to Sprint customers. Like the subsidized version, you will be able to unlock the bootloader using the HTC Dev method. Again, there is no difference in hardware/software/firmware between the subsidized and unsubsidized versions of the Sprint HTC One.
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The phone will be no different than the one sold at subsidized prices to Sprint customers. Like the subsidized version, you will be able to unlock the bootloader using the HTC Dev method. Again, there is no difference in hardware/software/firmware between the subsidized and unsubsidized versions of the Sprint HTC One.
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thx for your help, but i mean sim unlock
Alihosny said:
thx for your help, but i mean sim unlock
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It depends on who you're buying from and what theyve done with it. No one here is a fortune teller.
Alihosny said:
thx for your help, but i mean sim unlock
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Its the same as the subsidized version. I do not know if the subsidized version is SIM-locked or not but whatever it is, its not going to change if you pay full price for it. The phones are all sealed in a box (so Amazon isn't going to open one up and unlock it for you, assuming that was even possible) and they don't have separate stock for those paying full price. They simply pull one off the shelf and charge you either full price or the subsidized price. In other words, they are all coming from the same stock/pile of phones, they are all the same. Now, maybe Sprint can help you unlock the phone afterwards (assuming that's possible and its SIM-locked to start with) but no guarantee of that.
thx dude , i bought at&t version, and will order one of these unlock codes off ebay
Hey guys,
I was wondering if we'll be able to flash the stock sense rom on the HTC One Google Edition.
I'll be in the US soon and I actually wanted to buy the Dev. Edition (64gb ftw), but their ****ty webstore apparently won't accept my international credit card nor ship to my hotel (that's what support told me) and Google Play Store would.
So that's basically my only option to get an unlocked HTC One for a decent price, but I'd like to have the option to flash the sense rom.
Thanks.
Why not buy a ONE at a T-Mobile store off contract or while you're in the states why don't you get yourself a prepaid credit card and use it to buy the ONE you actually want?
You have so many options to get the actual phone you want instead of asking a silly question that no one could answer because no one has the phone.
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I would think It's possible. We already have a mostly working version of the Google edition ROM working on our Ones, and that's only because it was a system dumb and we have a few permission errors we need to fix. Also don't have the boot.img but that's not too big a deal. We have all these things for the sense version so flashing it on to the Google edition should be pretty straight forward.
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I'd recommend buying a used One from swappa. You'll get a lower price vs buying it new. Granted, I haven't seen a lot of 64GB or developer editions on there.
If you want sense; buying the GE probably isn't the way to go. You should be able to but why pay the higher price vs just getting a used ATT HTC One and unlocking + S-OFF?
There are various sites online that can sell you a sim unlock code for an ATT or Tmobile HTC One for a reasonable price. I paid $3.50 for my unlock code. With S-OFF now available, the developer edition really isn't much of a value proposition.
I agree with the buying advice, but that said
flashing a sense rom SHOULD work fine.
The GE phone is essentially a de-sensed sense device. The thing uses a sense kernel
a dev edition or buying the AT&T 64 GB and unlocking it i a better buy though essentially the same money after tax and shipping as a GE phone
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I'd recommend buying a used One from swappa. You'll get a lower price vs buying it new. Granted, I haven't seen a lot of 64GB or developer editions on there.
If you want sense; buying the GE probably isn't the way to go. You should be able to but why pay the higher price vs just getting a used ATT HTC One and unlocking + S-OFF?
There are various sites online that can sell you a sim unlock code for an ATT or Tmobile HTC One for a reasonable price. I paid $3.50 for my unlock code. With S-OFF now available, the developer edition really isn't much of a value proposition.
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Yeah I was already considering getting a used one on Swappa. The only reason I wanted the dev edition is because of the storage.
Weird, on htc's webstore the HTC One from t-mobile is $699 (http://shopamerica.htc.com/cell-phones/productdetail.htm?prId=41607). That's why I wasn't even considering getting it from one of the carriers. I thought that was weird lol.
Well, I guess I'll either get it at AT&T (since it's the same price as HTC's webstore) or get a used one at Swappa.
Thanks everyone.
I have to root my phones (not wanting to pay $30 for Verizon tether), is anyone aware if the Pixel 4 XL from Verizon will have the bootloader locked, and unable to be rooted? In addition to that, would we see a root for the unlocked version? Thanks
Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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If you bought the Verizon Pixel 2 XL it had a locked bootloader. Since it was exclusive to Verizon. The unlocked version directly from Google did not have a locked bootloader. That was the same for the Pixel 3 and 3 XL. I am not sure about the Pixel 3a and 3a XL since it was not exclusive to Verizon.
Does anyone know if the Pixel 3a or 3a XL came with a locked bootloader?
EDIT: There's a thread over on the Pixel 3a XL where a bunch of carrier and non-carrier devices had locked bootloaders. I would be careful which device you buy going forward until you hear others chime in on the greyed out unlocked button.
When in doubt, buy directly from Google.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lock not something they ever lift? My current 2 XL was paid retail but they never allowed me to unlock the bootloader. They do allow for any carrier SIM to be used in it.
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This is correct. Verizon is a mofo. Doesn't make much sense. I mean, you paid for the device, you should be able to do what you want with it
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This is correct. Verizon is a mofo. Doesn't make much sense. I mean, you paid for the device, you should be able to do what you want with it
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This right here has been the case with Verizon going ALL the way back to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus. **** Verizon!
Yep, never buy the carrier modesl unless you have absolutely no other option. In the case of Tmo with OnePlus and similar phones you could get an unlock (both carrier and bootloader) after the device was paid off. You still have to deal with a little bloat and later updates along with lesser issues. AT&T will have this one and their policies are similar to Verizon so I wouldn't go that way unless you hate yourself. No idea on Sprint, that have nothing in my area so I haven't paid attention. The previous posters were 100 prevent though, buying unlocked is the way. Tmo if you must to get a deal but only after verifying the bootloader can be unlocked.
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Yep, never buy the carrier modesl unless you have absolutely no other option. In the case of Tmo with OnePlus and similar phones you could get an unlock (both carrier and bootloader) after the device was paid off. You still have to deal with a little bloat and later updates along with lesser issues. AT&T will have this one and their policies are similar to Verizon so I wouldn't go that way unless you hate yourself. No idea on Sprint, that have nothing in my area so I haven't paid attention. The previous posters were 100 prevent though, buying unlocked is the way. Tmo if you must to get a deal but only after verifying the bootloader can be unlocked.
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I currently have a one plus 7pro from T-Mobile that is still financed. The bootloader was locked until you paid off your device and waited the mandatory 45 days. Some were able to talk to T-force and got their devices unlocked early whether they financed or not. I was one of the unlucky ones that could not negotiate with T-force to unlock my device. Luckily there was a nice person that worked for TMobile that was in the forums and was able to unlock my phone. We will see what happens when we get the devices and start working on them. I will be financing my phone with them again next Thursday.
I purchased the Unlocked model. I currently have Pixel 2XL Verizon (Bootloader Locked), not a huge issue. But there are times where I wish I had a rooted phone. Not making that mistake again.
cronojay said:
I currently have a one plus 7pro from T-Mobile that is still financed. The bootloader was locked until you paid off your device and waited the mandatory 45 days. Some were able to talk to T-force and got their devices unlocked early whether they financed or not. I was one of the unlucky ones that could not negotiate with T-force to unlock my device. Luckily there was a nice person that worked for TMobile that was in the forums and was able to unlock my phone. We will see what happens when we get the devices and start working on them. I will be financing my phone with them again next Thursday.
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Did you try calling in multiple times? That often works although some people can't seem to catch a break on it. I've been on a number of OP devices and I'm familiar with what you're talking about; Saw it most recently on the 6T but it goes back further. I had them unlock a SGS6 the day I bought it, I paid cash but still the word was it couldn't be done without a dwell period, I remember it being 30 days at that time but maybe it was 45, been a while. In any event the very next year was the one were it turned out Tmo couldn't unlock your bootloader, came from Samsung they said. I remember there being an exploit coming out for that but I had already given away my S7 and moved on to the next thing before they figured that out. Not much over a year later Samsung started the BS with bootloaders on their international unlocked phones and I didn't keep the Note 8 long either. IMO if root is a must it's a good idea to let someone else be the guinea pig and profit from that information unless you've got enough ching to walk away without worrying about it.
I'm pretty sure this phone will also be exactly as you describe on Tmo and I agree with you BTW, just saying the smart money if a man needs to be careful is to wait for the first phones to meet their owners a few of who will unlock and root or attempt to do it. Or as I said in my first post, buy unlocked direct from Goog or Fi if possible.
There is not likely to be any bootloader unlock for the P4 and P4XL for carrier versions unless an exploit is found (which doesn't seem likely anymore). Google does not provide carriers an interface to change the device type, nor do they provide that interface to their own customer service and support teams. It's not a matter of hounding customer service or posting on the right forum because they can't help you. It's an obligation that Google has to meet if they want to keep their big carrier contracts in the United States.
The only unlocking requirement for carrier specific versions is having the ability to SIM unlock the device for portability between networks. Most carriers will do this upon request if you have international travel plans or have completed a certain percentage of your device financing.
navalynt said:
There is not likely to be any bootloader unlock for the P4 and P4XL for carrier versions unless an exploit is found (which doesn't seem likely anymore). Google does not provide carriers an interface to change the device type, nor do they provide that interface to their own customer service and support teams. It's not a matter of hounding customer service or posting on the right forum because they can't help you. It's an obligation that Google has to meet if they want to keep their big carrier contracts in the United States.
The only unlocking requirement for carrier specific versions is having the ability to SIM unlock the device for portability between networks. Most carriers will do this upon request if you have international travel plans or have completed a certain percentage of your device financing.
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So, the devices are shipped to the carriers already locked? Interesting. for some reason I always thought it was the individual carriers that lock them down and then would unlock it when you fully paid off the device. So you're saying, even if you fully pay off the device, you will never be able to unlock a carrier pixel 4/XL? Wow, that's a bummer.
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So, the devices are shipped to the carriers already locked? Interesting. for some reason I always thought it was the individual carriers that lock them down and then would unlock it when you fully paid off the device. So you're saying, even if you fully pay off the device, you will never be able to unlock a carrier pixel 4/XL? Wow, that's a bummer.
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Correct. Enthusiasts have a channel to bootloader unlock, which is buying directly from Google where Google provides it's own support.
Carriers are only looking to sell you a device that's stable to work on their own networks. What do the carriers have to gain at all from controlling the bootloader unlock? They have nothing to gain from it except a support migraine.
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Correct. Enthusiasts have a channel to bootloader unlock, which is buying directly from Google where Google provides it's own support.
Carriers are only looking to sell you a device that's stable to work on their own networks. What do the carriers have to gain at all from controlling the bootloader unlock? They have nothing to gain from it except a support migraine.
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Yeah, that makes sense when you put it that way. Just took me by surprise when OP and it's carrier phones pretty much allow you to do whatever you want to the device, once it's paid off. Still can't stand OP, but I have to admit, that's a check mark in their corner
Keep in mind Google does not require it like Samsung does so it's left up to the carrier. Tmo has been unlocking similar devices and there is little reason to think it wont happen here. In the opposing camp you have Verizon which demands a locked bootloader and few exploits have been found to circumvent it on recent devices. Meanwhile something to consider is that even the unlocked straight from google device is not really unlocked in the way some people think: Before you can unlock the bootloader it absolutely must phone home. Don't give the phone that connection and you cannot unlock it. Samsung does the same thing. We are not in control of our devices anymore, they can pull the plug on unlocking any time they want simply by denying it via that same connection even if you have already unlocked it. Samsung did this a few years ago in just that way and to this date no one has found a way around it that doesn't cause real pain with the wait a week and all that BS.
I called several times and got on with T-force sever times and no luck. I got lucky when the post I described about unlocking and got mine done. I always device finance because of the 0% apr and jump on demand so all I need to is bring my phone, get my new phone and profit.
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Pretty sure most carrier devices are going to remain locked until you pay it off. At least, that's the logical rationale. I can't imagine they want people unlocking devices they haven't paid for. As far as root, that should be a simple process of just patching the boot.img
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"simple process" "just patch the boot img" come on man.. Ask the people that own a pixel 3 from Verizon. Please don't spread wrong info
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"simple process" "just patch the boot img" come on man.. Ask the people that own a pixel 3 from Verizon. Please don't spread wrong info
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You mean, ask the people who were dumb enough to buy a locked down device? I'll pass. People that have purchased Verizon's in the past, as you have stated, would obviously know this doesn't apply to them. I was more referring to, since we don't have recovery yet, you would have to patch the boot img manually.
Honestly, I ALMOST got me and my wife's from Verizon (she definitely jumped on the pixel bandwagon). They have a buy one, get one free. Sooo, I kept thinking about root, but ultimately decided I'd rather save $900. Evidently, there's some caveats. One, the get one is for a new line. No biggie, I'll just cancel the one number and add a new one (her phone is paid off, I don't think there's a termination fee after two years). Two, you have to sign up for an unlimited plan. That piece completely wiped the price difference and then some for me. Sooo, I smiled a bit and bought them unlocked from Google. The only reason I would buy directly is for a huge price savings.
Another thing I thought of too, there is an early upgrade fee with V if I were to decide to upgrade to the 5xl next year. So, that's another caveat. I'm glad I just went with unlocked. Hoping it doesn't take long to root.
This time around I placed a pre-order with Google Fi.
All their Pixels are both SIM & Bootloader Unlocked even on
financing, same as Google Store.