Hi,
I've had some really bad experience with the HTC One and Android overall in the last few years.
Starting with the Samsung Galaxy S, then going through the HTC One X, Samsung Galaxy S3, and now HTC One, I've got one thing that really annoys me. The stutter/lag in every single third party apps. I tried doing many things, like enabling 'force gpu rendering', and changing roms, but I could never get rid of that 'lag'. Many people don't see it as a problem, but it is really annoying for me as an iPhone user, where my 4S is extremely fluid and stutter free compared to the One. Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
I really like android as an operating system, iOS is too closed. So I'd rather not go back to the iPhone for that, but the lag and bad animations bother me so much that I am actually considering returning the One.
So my question is - is there anything I can do to get rid of the stutter/lag ?
chris_abr said:
Hi,
I've had some really bad experience with the HTC One and Android overall in the last few years.
Starting with the Samsung Galaxy S, then going through the HTC One X, Samsung Galaxy S3, and now HTC One, I've got one thing that really annoys me. The stutter/lag in every single third party apps. I tried doing many things, like enabling 'force gpu rendering', and changing roms, but I could never get rid of that 'lag'. Many people don't see it as a problem, but it is really annoying for me as an iPhone user, where my 4S is extremely fluid and stutter free compared to the One. Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
I really like android as an operating system, iOS is too closed. So I'd rather not go back to the iPhone for that, but the lag and bad animations bother me so much that I am actually considering returning the One.
So my question is - is there anything I can do to get rid of the stutter/lag ?
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Yes Android Does have bug and lag but its getting a lot better compare to 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 4.0 4.1 4.2 each update has improved whole OS bit better, but still needs more time to mature but same time İOS or Windows Phone is very limited so i assume more thing to do means more codes and more codes mean more fault. İ have HTC One and İphone 5 but HTC One feels faster than İphone 5 in my eyes but another fact is Android needs more power so maybe next chipsets like S800 or Tegra 4 may make transaction more smoother. Android is not best idea on budget smartphone cos as i said needs more power.
There are a lot of rumours that Android Key Lime Pime will be more smoother and less power hungry need to wait and see but enjoy whole experience of android its free and open its getting better every day
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As a past user of an iPhone 4s and current user of a HTC one, lag is way more prevalent in the 4s.Examples 1.Open the app store. 2. Switch between apps a couple times. 3. Swipe to the search screen. The one never lags for me. Ever. I'm a pretty intensive user with lots of apps running at once. Not to mention the speed at which the one works compared to the iPhone. It still has awesome animations but does them faster. Seriously you must have some rogue app going crazy in the background or something.
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I have the same feeling.
I've owned over 10 android devices and an iPhone 4 and 5, and when I'm on an iPhone I hate that I'm not able to do anything... and while when I'm on an Android phone I LOATHE the constant stutter/lag/inconcistancy.
You can't have your cake and eat it too... I guess.
EDIT: To answer your quesion: no, you can't.
EDIT2: just thought of WebOS, smooth, whith it's modding repositories *starts wheeping*
chris_abr said:
Now, some people have told me that going from an iPhone to Android will mean that things like this will be apparent for me instantly, and they will annoy me. But I can't believe that this is the case with all Android phones, I mean after all they all cost just as much as iPhone does, so they should work just as well?
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You need to give some examples of apps, situations which lag or stutter for me Android is pretty fluid (with the exeption of chrome)
godutch said:
You need to give some examples of apps, situations which lag or stutter for me Android is pretty fluid (with the exeption of chrome)
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hold an iPhone and an android phone side by side, the difference will be noticeble to everyone.
I think the OP is referring to apps that haven't yet been optimized for the 1920x1080 screen of the One and the S4. Animations such as those in Words with Friends look jerky in comparison with the iOS counterpart. It may be something you'll need to learn to live with. With Android phones of all different sizes out there, you're never going to get 100% app compatibility.
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hold an iPhone and an android phone side by side, the difference will be noticeble to everyone.
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Like I said I can' t see any stutter or lag, not in the default apps or sense at least
Well that is what my iFriends say - it stutters!!!!1 How can you not see that???? And yes, sometimes I do see it, and it is annoying.
Some of us are more sensitive, some don't even notice. Most of the time I think it is because of loading content while scrolling. If you open a web page, or any internet dependent app, it will pull new content when you scroll to the end, an then inevitably some time is spent on arranging layout, loading jpegs and so on. iOS does it in advance, and is even making some kind of thumbnails all over system to smooth that out.
Could be wrong, but that is my conclusion so far.
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Well that is what my iFriends say - it stutters!!!!1 How can you not see that???? And yes, sometimes I do see it, and it is annoying.
Some of us are more sensitive, some don't even notice. Most of the time I think it is because of loading content while scrolling. If you open a web page, or any internet dependent app, it will pull new content when you scroll to the end, an then inevitably some time is spent on arranging layout, loading jpegs and so on. iOS does it in advance, and is even making some kind of thumbnails all over system to smooth that out.
Could be wrong, but that is my conclusion so far.
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like I said you need to give some specific examples of lag or stutter because I can't see it, not in sense nor in the stock apps. I can see lag and stutter for example in chrome (and new opera) but stock (and opera classic) are smooth, app drawer buttery smooth, settings buttery smooth, whatsapp smooth, blinkfeed smooth
Well I don't know now, really. Trying to forget about it, but name of this thread reminded me again
As I said - internet apps, not in system. Facebook, Engadget, Instagram, Cracked app... almost all third party web apps, not really important ones. It is app design flaw of some kind, you cant see that in system or system apps which are better made. On the bright side, this effect was horrible on LG O2x, which could just confirm my theory - One can load and arrange on-the-fly required data quicker.
It's not hard to understand that this effect is really not what anyone who bought the best Android device at the moment wants to see, no matter who's fault it is. Maybe that is the price we pay for system openness, and if that is the case - not a problem at all.
Dac0908 said:
Well I don't know now, really. Trying to forget about it, but name of this thread reminded me again
As I said - internet apps, not in system. Facebook, Engadget, Instagram, Cracked app... almost all third party web apps, not really important ones. It is app design flaw of some kind, you cant see that in system or system apps which are better made. On the bright side, this effect was horrible on LG O2x, which could just confirm my theory - One can load and arrange on-the-fly required data quicker.
It's not hard to understand that this effect is really not what anyone who bought the best Android device at the moment wants to see, no matter who's fault it is. Maybe that is the price we pay for system openness, and if that is the case - not a problem at all.
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oh I don' t use any of those apps, mostly the stock ones and google apps and these are all buttery smooth (with the exception of chrome and sometime the play store).
I think these laggy apps all use webkit to draw their UI, webkit will lag the UI when loading, even on a powerful desktop. One of the chrome devs congrateluted opera, when the switched to webkit how fluid they had made opera when presto was still loading, something which they hadn't figured out to do yet
what version of android do you have? i noticed stuttering in third party apps on 4.1.2, but was fixed in 4.2.2
i use tubemate, and it was unusable on 4.1.2, now it works perfectly
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what version of android do you have? i noticed stuttering in third party apps on 4.1.2, but was fixed in 4.2.2
i use tubemate, and it was unusable on 4.1.2, now it works perfectly
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I'm currently on stock 4.1.2 from HTC, the European version for the HTC_001. I've also tried the Android Revolution HD 4.2.2, but the problem still persisted. It was better, but still not 'buttery smooth'.
As to when it happens - Sense is largely ok, when swiping through the screens you can't really see any lag. Unless going between the app launcher and the blinkfeed.
But it's mostly other apps, such as even the stock web browser, thet just stutter and lag when on some simple webpages, such as google, full amazon website, my banks, lloyds tsb, and pretty much every single web page is just slow and stutters when scrolling. Not to mention XDA-Developers, because this website is just on another level of stutter. lol
I've tried firefox, chrome, stock browser, and all of them have the same problem.
There are also apps, facebook, even the keyboard lags!
Now, I don't know about you, but I think it's the resolution that causes the problem. I'd rather have lower resolution with say, 300 ppi, which is not really noticeably worse than that of the One, and at the same time have an OS that does not suffer from these problems.
Because in all honesty, the ONE is actually more stuttery than SGS 1 was.. Now, that just can't be right!
I'm still hoping that somebody will come up with something that can fix it.
Because I'm really sensitive about this stuff myself, and love the idea of android at the same time. Not to mention the hardware of ONE.
But when using the phone, it immediately feels cheap and badly made when simple things like that occur on a phone costing as much as a 15 year old car!
So I think it'll be back to the iPhone for now. My contract on it ends in a year, so let's hope Google does some magic with Android, and maybe forces manufacturers to release properly optimized software. But I fear that's just wishful thinking.
chris_abr said:
...the ONE is actually more stuttery than SGS 1 was.. Now, that just can't be right!
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You said it yourself, that can't be right.
chris_abr said:
...But when using the phone, it immediately feels cheap and badly made when simple things like that occur on a phone costing as much as a 15 year old car!
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You have an interesting way of exaggerating prices. I bought mine from Hong Kong, so maybe mine cost as much as a 14 year old car. Or perhaps a 15 year old car in good condition? Or maybe just within the range of usual Flagship phone prices?
If you're getting stuttering with certain apps, don't use them. Poorly made apps usually have alternatives.
So far, the only big app I'm getting stuttering with is the Chrome/Chrome Beta app. It would be nice if it wasn't there but, thanks to features like data compression saving me roughly 50% on data use, I can look past it. I also get it with the facebook app, but that is such a **** app.
There are probably some other apps I get it with but, to be completely honest, lag and stuttering hasn't been noticeable in my daily use. This phone is fast as hell... Faster even than a 15 year old car. What a deal!
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ataft said:
You have an interesting way of exaggerating prices. I bought mine from Hong Kong, so maybe mine cost as much as a 14 year old car. Or perhaps a 15 year old car in good condition? Or maybe just within the range of usual Flagship phone prices?
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haha!
What I was trying to say, that these phones cost extremely high amounts of money, and yet don't work properly.
I mean, having used Lumia 520 a few weeks ago for a few days, I can safely say that I would recommend that over the One, simply on the 'niceness of use'. And that phone costs £100 in the UK.. One costs over £450 at the cheapest.
As to the apps - I get that, but if you read my post, you'd know that I mentioned all of the popular apps, I try to stay away from the lesser known developers, as they tend not to do so much testing on their apps, and thus providing a terrible experience most of the time (not so much on iOS, as Apple does a lot of testing before they put the app up on the market, something that would be nice to have on android too).
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But it's mostly other apps, such as even the stock web bowser, thet just stutter and lag when on some simple webpages, such as google, full amazon website, my banks, lloyds tsb, and pretty much every single web page is just slow and stutters when scrolling. Not to mention XDA-Developers, because this website is just on another level of stutter. lol
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some sites lag in some browsers some sites in all, some sites even lag on my powerful core i5 laptop running windows 8, sometimes it' s bug in the browser, sometimes a bug in the website. I'll bet you you will come across laggy sites on the iphone too. XDA is buttery smooth for me though (at least the forum, which I always watch in compact view and I hated the contextual search so I disabled that in forum preferences)
Honestly I've used android from the start back when the g1 was released. Going from that to the g2 now the HTC one. Even on my g2 on some Roms I barley had lag issues now on the one I don't see any stutter or lag or slow downs.. But I guess that's just me.
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I guess we can both be happy that are devices aren't as bad as the OP
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I don't think it's a problem with my particular device though.
I've watched many reviews online, and the very same things that happened on my device were happening on those being reviewed.
Things like:
When browsing google images, you open one image and then swipe to look at the next one, htc one starts to render an animation and then 1/4th of the way just stutters to the picture. On the iPhone it's just a nice, fluid animation.
Another, the original keyboard is rather bad, you press a key, and the pop up with letter comes on, you depress the key and the preview is still there for at least half a second.
Also, a more general one - when you install something from the play store and try to browse for another app on it at the same time - it stutters beyond belief.
And sense one - where are the animations when closing an app/window? I feel like using windows Vista on a 2005 pc with 1gb ram..
It's very small things, but they do not happen on the iPhone, and I just feel like the experience is more pleasurable and consistent on iOS. Not to mention WP, which is even faster than iOS in my opinion.
The iPhone and WP may not be faster hardware wise, or performance wise even, but the animation, and transitions between doing things are just incredibly badly implemented on Android.
I'd rather see it being done like on the iPhone - when the phone is installing or doing something in the background, that action stops when you try and use the phone. That way, it may perform worse, and install the app slower, but the experience is really good, and no stutter occurs. Whereas android sort of tries to do everything at the same time.
But again, that may be just me being very bothered about things like this, most people don't see it as a problem, but it annoys the hell out of me, hence this thread. I was hoping that there is some tweak for the One that makes the experience more pleasurable whilst maybe decreasing the performance a little.
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Well... This is a personal rant and I've already seen a lot of similar messages. It usually starts with an "my iPhone is better" and the answer always seems to be something along the lines of "ah, it sucks, our Touch Pro is way better, you'll be coming back crying", yadda-yadda-yadda. Here is my take - and I don't mean to offend anyone... I write this because I'm totally dissapointed with MY Touch Pro. Maybe you feel good about yours, it does whatever you needed/wanted, you simply love it.
iPhone is better. A heck of a lot better. I wish I had chose to buy one instead of this piece of crap that calls itself a "smartphone". Why? Well... I came to the world of Windows Mobile with a Tytn, a great all-round phone that had some problems but mostly did what it was supposed to do. The friendly guys and gals in this site managed to squeeze every ounce of life, speed, features and durability from it, making me totally love it. Custom ROMs made it faster and faster, added new and useful features... but... But then came "the new phones". Theoretically, they were faster, they had more memory, "they were better" in every single category. And Touch Pro was at the top, so, after lots of thought, loving its design and hating the fact I had to use an external GPS device with my Tytn, I splashed the cash and bought a brand new, shiny Touch Pro. More memory. More speed. Better screen. Better graphics. Better sound. Better GPS... NOT.
Even with custom ROMs, my Touch Pro crawls like a snail when compared with my Tytn. I mean it, and I tried more than 10 different ones (and I don't count different versions, but different cooks). The device simply seems unable to cope with its official interface, Touchflo 3D, whereas Manilla 2D ran screaming on the Tytn. Touch Pro has more Ram, theoretically making Opera usable. Goodbye ol' crashes of the Tytn, with Touch Pro I can finally browse the Internets happily! Or can I? Opera seems to totally suck compared to the iPhones Safari, and that doesn't come from an iPhone lover - I hate almost anything Apple ever created, including the iPhone. BUT... Whenever I'm with a friend of mine that has an iPhone, browsing the net through it is pure joy compared to the nightmare of Touch Pro. Appart from feeling more "fluid", iPhone is a lot faster when changing from portrait to landscape. Yeah, the online keyboard sucks, but so does the hardware keyboard of Touch pro compared to the one in my old Tytn (I know, "it's my opinion", never said it's a global rule).
The slow-as-hell problem applies to every single function or application in my Touch Pro. I'm with the afformentioned friend and we want to tweet something? Perfect. In ten seconds he's taken a snapshot in his iPhone, opened Twitter and posted a message, picture included. I'm still waiting for a Twitter app to load. We want to take some notes? He taps, writes, saves. In 5 secs. I'm taking out the stylus, for the interface buttons are too small for my fingers. I select Start>Utilities>Notes, wait for the Notes app to load, wait, wait, after it loads hunt the tiny "new" somewhere below the screen, wait for a new note to open, open the keyboard, wait for the screen to realign, type, wait for the characters to appear (and yes, I have applied the TX9 tweak but the keyboard is still painfully slow), save the note, close the keyboard, close the notes app, wait for the screen to realign. Ah, what a joy.
And the apps! Oh, those glorious apps! We have ten unusable RSS readers, 5 different commercial programs that try to improve our phones interface (each failing miserably in different ways), and... Well, that's it. We then have about 10 different calculators and stopwatches. And we call this, THIS, "a productivity device"? WTF can we do with this brick? What is it useful for? Taking photos? Even that is slow-as-hell compared with Tytn, after trying every-single-tweak. The subject of the photo has to be perfectly still, or else everything is blurry.
And the insult is that whenever I search for something new and useful for this brick, I find new fonts, new wallpapers, new manilla tweaks, some scripts or mini-apps that change the new WM6.5 chromes appearance! These are our "apps", when iPhone has new note-taking apps, new task managers, new VNC-like applications, emulators, games, anything... And yet we bash it as a kiddie phone and we hail out Touch Pro as a "serious" device. What's serious about a phone that cost me more than my wage (yeah, it costs -that- much in Greece where I live) and all that I can do with it is stare at slightly-different-colored-menues-than-the-default-ones? That's all there is to it?
Sorry for this, and sorry for coming out as an angry SOB, but I'm up to here with it. I'd really like somebody to come up and give me some advice or tips on how to make HTCs brick useful in some way, show me that I didn't actually throw my money away on a useless gadget. 'Cause I paid for an almighty device that in theory could do almost anything. It's as "smart" as my Tytn, it's slower than it in GPS and taking Pictures, there's no touch-friendly software for it (har-har, and it's called "Touch Pro", yeah, right)... WTF am I supossed to use it for? Paperweight?
I'm all ears people. Anyone wanting to tell me how they actually use their pricey device? Why you're happy with it and wouldn't change it for anything else? Does anyone -not- have the problems I have, and what did he do to avoid them? Am I totally wrong - and why?
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DAMN!!
What is the word or letter limit in XDA forums?
Our Touch Pro is way better, you'll be coming back crying, yadda-yadda-yadda.
See? See how disappointed I am? I'm mr. writesalot!
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Still love mines....iphone in my eyes is a childs toy just a bunch of flashy things to take your mind off what it lacks....Wow my iPhone can cook dinner for me with this app,but then again to MMS i have to pay another $600 to get a new model of the phone when I just bought a 3G 6 months ago.....and I get no warranty....Tell me how the iphone is better when everytime they add new things that should've been on the phone from the start you have to buy a new model to have?MMS,Video,Teethering
Honestly, you make a lot of good points.
I've had similar experiences with people using the iphone in the same ways. It may be nothing more than an "application launcher" but the applications actually do something useful, quickly.
I don't like the iphone. I don't like apple. As a matter of fact I actually hate both of them very much... but I see your point and I'm almost as fed up as you are.
I'm looking forward to hearing what people reply with.
The Microsoft store may alleviate some of this, hopefully, but I'm not holding my breath. My plan is to wait for the next generation of phones, see if HTC still screws everyone over with drivers or other ass-hattery, and make a decision then.
Incidentally I have a Jornada 568 from 2002 that runs emulated games as well as my Fuze, plays Mp3s without stuttering (while using an external keyboard to write short stories with), plays video without tearing, and has a standard headphone jack. If I could I would just stick a phone in it and use that instead.
hey ducklord, sorry to hear about ur misery. I own a touch pro, and i find it to be quite perfect.. perhaps with a good set of ROM. Why don't you try out EnergyROM magic (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530882)? It works like a charm for me...
Sparkz914 said:
Wow my iPhone can cook dinner for me with this app,but then again to MMS i have to pay another $600 to get a new model of the phone when I just bought a 3G 6 months ago
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From what the afformentioned friend told me, "no-mms" is a problem of AT&T or some other provider that offers the iPhone in the States. To prove it, he sent me an MMS "giving me the finger". He's on Cosmote (Greek Provider), and uses a totally un-tweaked, locked, out-of-the-box iPhone.
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.....and I get no warranty....Tell me how the iphone is better when everytime they add new things that should've been on the phone from the start you have to buy a new model to have?MMS,Video,Teethering
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As I told you, no-mms is not an issue. Tethering, if you mean "having access to the Internets from your laptop through your phone" -IS- a problem, witch though can be solved by buying a USB/PCMCIA/Something GPRS modem. For about 30 euros. On the other hand, not 30, not 50, not 400 euros can make my Touch Pro something more useful than a brick. You mean, you REALLY use tethering all the time? You REALLY use video conference? The rates are sky-high here in Greece - 10 video calls would cost the same as the damn phone! Ah, and here's another point where iPhone (and almost any other device) is better: was your Touch Pro usable out of the box? Want me to point you to other posts by other users that say how much it sucked until they installed a custom Rom (and thus lost its warranty)? THIS is how a device is supposed to work? By exchanging its official warranty with a custom-cooked ROM, created by people that, up to a point, are GUESSING what-should-work (and they're doing a great job at that)... For Baal's shake, cooks, developers and lots of users are prowling the insides of other phones to find drivers witch they'll be able to tweak so that our damn brick will be able to play videoclips and long-forgotten-emulators like 3-year-old devices do! I mean, gosh, HTC should PAY XDA Developers for making their phone bearable! But, ofcourse, you are happy... No video, no speed, sluggish loading and typing, godawful GPS, no useful apps whatsoever... But you have tethering. Somehow, I don't quite believe you.
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I've had similar experiences with people using the iphone in the same ways. It may be nothing more than an "application launcher" but the applications actually do something useful, quickly.
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AAAND, ladies and gentleman, that's the whole point. Even with all the other problems, IF, and thats the most important thing, IF our phone had some really useful AND easy-to-use apps, that other phones didn't, or IF it excelled in some way, the situation would be bearable. Its not just that its hardware sucks, its insulting that we can't run (and use) stuff on it!
And please, if any programmer is reading this, the place is called XDA Developers. Please, DEVELOP something. No, tweaking the interface isn't "developing", it's "tweaking". And although I don't know anything about programming, I'd be more than happy to "develop" graphics for a useful app.
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the place is called XDA Developers. Please, DEVELOP something. No, tweaking the interface isn't "developing", it's "tweaking".
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Ducklord
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hahaha took the words out of my mouth... they say that WM has thousands of apps but from what i see its, 1000 half-done interfaces / 5000 tweaks, customizers, and "fixes" and 50 somewhat of apps ready to use that does at least something other than what the phone could already do but wanted to make it look "pretty" like a new contact manager, dialer, etc.
on the other hand the iphone has their own job search app, NBA play by play app, and more things other than what the phone could already do in the first place
im worried about "Marketplace" as well cuz there are multiple screen resolutions, models, and kinds of WM devices that the compatibility will not be all there when it comes to all the apps
I want to clarify that as unimpressed with the Fuze as I am, I am more than impressed and grateful for all the work done for it by the people here on XDA.
I'm glad to have a repository of software, knowledge, and development like this.
It makes me wonder what could be done with a machine that didn't need to be fixed or flashed right out of the box.
My problems with this phone stem from AT&T, HTC themselves, and to a lesser extent Microsoft. I appreciate that there's such a supportive community cleaning up these three company's messes.
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I want to clarify that as unimpressed with the Fuze as I am, I am more than impressed and grateful for all the work done for it by the people here on XDA.
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Well, I'm grateful for XDA, but not for "all the work they've done for Touch Pro". No, I'm not whining or disregarding their work, it's just that I had the idea they really squeezed the life out of my Tytn, but they give me the impression that they've just touched the surface of Touch Pro.
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Patience
May be you just need some patience. How long has the TyTn been out compared to the TP? As for me, I have very little experience with the iPhone but my Fuze(unlocked and on T-Mobile) has very little delay in any program. I am running 1 of the best ROMs (imho), NRG's wonderful magic series.
who cares about the iphone..i just got the palm pre for my business device and man its such a relief..i still have my fuze but find myself using it less and less..its so nice to have a device not have so many issues..and just work the way i need it to..and i know webOS is still young but man i think its gonna be the next big thing..ill never give up on windows mobile though...it may be not up to the times in GUI but its an old bull and knows what its doing..but for now i need something that works with the times so my Pre is my main device for now..im still flashing every new rom NRG puts out tho on my fuze lol and ive gotten to tap into my linux side with rooting my Pre and doing all the hacks
NRGs ROMs are what my Touch Pro runs, and although quite fast in the TouchFlo 3D department, loading and running apps takes a lot of time for my taste. And just think that NRGs is one of the fastest ROMs but, still, Touch Pro can't match the usage speed of Tytn (I mean in the interface department), not even counting the 5 to 15 seconds for an app to load (5 to 10 seconds for the camera? The subject of the photo will be dead and gone until the snap is taken!). And even if you put up with this sluginess... Where are the apps? After posting the 1st message I did a visit to "the usual places" to see what's new in WM world... The joy is unimaginable! Three new versions of the same 'ol SPB software, a "smart calculator" and a stopwatch... Great...
As for the Pre, well, when your wage is arround 700-900 euros and a phone like those we're talking about costs from 600 to 1200 euros... Let's just say I'm stuck with this brick for two-three more years. Ahrgh... Teh pains...
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PS: How, tell me, HOW hard would it be to create two simple, decent apps, one for taking Notes and one for managing Tasks? I'd be in heaven if I found two, just these two apps, that loaded fast, where Touch Friendly and could sync with Outlook. Or some GTD apps. Or some productivity ones. That could sync with our PC. Heck, I bought a WINDOWS MOBILE device so as to sync to my WINDOWS PC. And an Apple phone has more apps that sync with outlook. And better.
PS2: Have you realized how shafted we are from anyone and any company? Evernote for WM is the only decent notes-taking app I found. And, SPECIFICALLY in WM, you have to have a data connection active to use it. No local notes and syncing later. No local storage, no local search. After we payed one wage for out phone, we have to pay another one in data costs to use it! Ack! De Happines! De Joy!
have you tried thumbcal? it is a finger friendly GUI and it replaces the wm standard calender and tasks and i believe you can take notes down too..and so if you have an exchange server setup (i use mail2web) then itl sync everything and you can sync outlook to your exchange too and there you have device to pc seemless syncing and then i used this regedit whch i made to use thumbcal when you tap a shortcut that uses a hard wired shortcut (like tf3d)
yah once htc shifted from TI OMAP to Qualcomm MSMxxxx processors things went downhill...
I dunno I have a sprint touch pro and on mighty rom wm6.5 and I love it. It's as fast as my gf's iphone. My phone is alot better than hers except playing music. Plus, I can't stand looking at the screen of iphone! The resolution is really bad and I get a headache!!
I dunno why you have to wait to load a note program because it doesn't have any loading for me. I can write and save in no time. Also, when you open the keyboard there is a shortcut for notes. You can always assign your talk button as a note program too.
I'll admit that there are some delays when switching apps, and some apps take longer to load than others.
You do realize that there are other apps out there besides what's on this site don't you? There are literally thousands of apps out there. Look at Handandgo for example.
My ROM has PocketNotepad cooked in. As soon as I open it, it opens me to a blank notepad and I can start typing right away. It opens in 1-2 seconds for me, which I think is reasonable.
I don't use tasks, so I can't really speak for that side of it.
i dont find energyroms particularly fast, not sure why everyone says its fast. it's definitely not faster compared to a tweaked lite rom. but i guess with the eye candy and full suite of apps, it's relatively fast.
I tried launching notepad and it took less than 2 secs to be able to write a new note. if it's that slow on your phone, your phone obviously has issues.
Partially agree
On the first few days I was thinking the same because I've been waiting for a phone like this for ages and here in Romania it costs more then double of an average salary so you can imagine that people get scared once they give out so much money on a single device which doesn't behave as it should. In fact it has quite a few bugs but still wouldn't change it for the iPhone...
Notes application starts in about 2 seconds for me and energyRom is decently fast - I wish I could remove that colourful taskbar though because I hate it and no one gave me an answer how to change it. Even tried one method and had to reflash the device. Anyway...
The GPS problem pisses me off because I thought it's as good as the one from the Diamond but turns out to be awful. I use IGO8 and it sucks. It locks on my position in about 10 minutes. Not good at all.
The camera is not bad, music is decent, but those aren't things that smart-phones are famous for...
Overall I am happy with this device, or should I say I have no other choice then to be happy with it and would like to thank the people from XDA Developers for their time and for correcting the errors that Microsoft should had corrected. Waiting for new apps and as ducklord said - I can help designing some of the apps so if any developer needs design, we're here. I'm not good at programming though.
Bela
Hello all, Im currently using an Iphone 4, its a great phone, dont get me wrong, but I hate the way apple have such tight control over it. Im looking at buying an HTC HD7, but haven't used the phone yet. Im just really looking advice from anyone who has used at lenght, or has an Iphone 4, and is moving to Windows Phone 7.
Cheers
Having just moved over from an iPhone 4, I'm in a pretty good position to give you some info.
1. Phone itself is great (I found the iPhone4's screen beautiful, but way too small to be practical for my needs)
2. The WP7 interface is MUCH better than the grid on iOS4, especially the LIVE tiles.
3. WP7 is still pretty locked down, but I can see that changing. If you're on a none jailbroken iP4, there's not much difference.
4. App amount seems to be growing by the day, but as this is a fresh OS there's nothing on it yet compared to the IP4. However, the apps that are on WP7 are awesome. The Facebook app is the best Facebook app on any phone I've used.
5. The execution and intergration of facebook, LIVE, Messenger etc is VERY well done on this phone. If you are a social person, you'll love it.
6. There are some limitations, some of which are annoying and will take some adapting.
Overall, I think the OS-side of things is superior to an untouched iP4's iOS4. It does need work, but the foundations are solid. Apps will come (Especially with the Dev budget MS has thrown at the WP7 platform)
As with all early adapters, you'll experience some frustrating times and a lack of features, so it depends what you're after really.
Thanks for the super fast reply. What are the limitations you talk about? I find the Iphone a Cr&p phone, but pretty good for internet surfing, that is what I do mostly, with a little bit of angry birds thrown in for good measure. The only other program use a lot is Nike plus for tracking runs, but I suppose it didnt take long for Android to have something similar, so I imagine Windows phone 7 will have a similar app soon.
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Thanks for the super fast reply. What are the limitations you talk about? I find the Iphone a Cr&p phone, but pretty good for internet surfing, that is what I do mostly, with a little bit of angry birds thrown in for good measure. The only other program use a lot is Nike plus for tracking runs, but I suppose it didnt take long for Android to have something similar, so I imagine Windows phone 7 will have a similar app soon.
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My surfing experience so far has been good. Again, there's no flash or silverlight yet and a lack of HTML 5. However, Adobe have confirmed Flash is coming for WP7, we just need an official statement from MS now....I'm predicting it will be in the Jan 2011 update along with Copy & paste.
Like I say, the apps are popping up fairly quickly to say the least. If you like the occassional game, the HD7 screen real-estate is a big plus there. The quality of the games on WP7 looks very promising indeed (In my opinion, better than iP4 games, and this is Dev's first releases!)
Rovio will no doubt release Angry birds on the platform as well.
As for the tracker, I haven't seen one in the marketplace as of yet, but that's because I've been messing around too much with the Xbox LIVE games
Microsoft don't seem to be as controlling as Apple and so within a few updates you should be more free than if you were using an iPhone.
The fact that HTC & Samsung are making the phones is always a plus as then you have a choice instead of having to pick from one phone.
Defo think im going to give the HTC HD7 a go. Worst case scenario I buy a Ipod touch to use the stuff I was used to. I always adapt early, just sometimes I get frustrated with slow progress. Hope the microsoft app store doesnt go like the palm pre did thought.
How is the screen in comparison ? I am hoping its better than the Evos. I know it won't be as nice as the Vibrants just dont want the washed look.
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My surfing experience so far has been good. Again, there's no flash or silverlight yet and a lack of HTML 5. However, Adobe have confirmed Flash is coming for WP7, we just need an official statement from MS now....
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How MS is going to allow flash when they moved away from ActiveX, and I haven't heard they would want to introduce it - it is by far the easiest transport to deliver spyware, malware and viruses to your device.
I've been hearing that the One has issues similar to its predecessor, as far as browser multitasking. Has anyone had issues with the browser constantly refreshing when you leave, go to another app, and come back to it?
No such problem with my HTC One. Multitasked between apps and browser, different tabs stayed put(no auto-refreshing).
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I would like to know the same..
EDIT: nvm
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I've been hearing that the One has issues similar to its predecessor, as far as browser multitasking. Has anyone had issues with the browser constantly refreshing when you leave, go to another app, and come back to it?
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Yes. Me.
Shasarak said:
Yes. Me.
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What kind of websites does it happen with and how often? It worries me how there's no definitive reason why some people have this problem. It seems to be random.
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What kind of websites does it happen with and how often? It worries me how there's no definitive reason why some people have this problem. It seems to be random.
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It does it a LOT on a dating site that I use, OKCupid (when accessing the desktop version of the site). I think it may possibly be related to the number of tabs one has open, as well. But certainly it's very annoying. I sometimes do a bit of browsing on London Underground trains. (You get about 20 seconds of wifi when the train is in a station!) What I'd like to be able to do is load up multiple pages in different tabs (each one opened as a new background tab) while the connection is up and then read them in the tunnels between stations; but it insists on refreshing each tab as you go back to it, and, as there's no connection in the tunnel, you can't actually read the page, even though it's fully downloaded and should be cached.
It does it pretty frequently. More with stock browser than with chrome though.
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It does it pretty frequently. More with stock browser than with chrome though.
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But that doesn't happen on my Chrome on my Note II... ever! Even if I press a link by mistake I can press back and it will be stored in cache, this is probably an HTC problem then, anyone else having this issue?
Nope. Not a problem for me. Always going back and forth on my browser. No issue there
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I agree. I can't remember if it's because I swipe it away with the recent apps button.
But sometimes the browser panics on me and closes on it's own.
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This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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Thats false, it was an issue on the HTC One X, and thats why I went for the GS3 instead of the One X (that and battery life), and it was done on purpose by HTC, not sure if they "fixed" it or not since then.
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Thats false, it was an issue on the HTC One X, and thats why I went for the GS3 instead of the One X (that and battery life), and it was done on purpose by HTC, not sure if they "fixed" it or not since then.
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No, it wasn't, no more than any other device with 1GB of RAM. I'm sure that's what you thought based on all the fud being spread at the time, but it wasn't true, as anyone who knows more about the internals would acknowledge.
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No, it wasn't, no more than any other device with 1GB of RAM. I'm sure that's what you thought based on all the fud being spread at the time, but it wasn't true, as anyone who knows more about the internals would acknowledge.
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Well I think I know a lot and it was definitely HTC's fault.. it was a software preference made by HTC
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Well I think I know a lot and it was definitely HTC's fault.. it was a software preference made by HTC
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A preference that had no influence apparently, since all it takes is a person with a task manager to confirm what I said was true.
This happens on my Nexus 4. Nothing new to see.
Vincent Law said:
This was NEVER an issue specific to HTC or its software. The sooner people stop spreading the FUD the better.
The only reason Android will force the browser to clear its cache of a page is because it needs to. That is, it's running low on RAM due to other services/apps and needs more. Your browser is not considered a high-level process in the priority list (it's not a service, unlike many other apps), so it'll get hit more often than other apps.
So, the reason this crops up for some people more than others is simply due to what they have running in the background (services, such as Facebook, Trillian, GMail, etc etc). The more crap you run at the same time, the more likely it's going to run out of RAM. This is how it works for ANY Android phone going all the way back to the 2.0 days. It's ALSO how it works on iOS, BlackBerry 10, and webOS (except those platforms don't use a priority system). Also keep in mind that websites these days actually take up a significant amount of RAM, especially ones with heavy amounts of Javascript and retina-level graphics.
The HTC One has 2GB of RAM, which means you have quite a bit of RAM to work with before this happens, but how often it happens is always going to be determined by how you use it.
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This is also BS. The evo lte I had always dumped the browser and this phone does it as well, even just going back and forth from the browser to the music app. The galaxy i switched to did not exhibit the same behavior. In fact, that thing would often keep the browser in memory till the NEXT DAY. This phone with 2gb ram (and 700 plus free) will dump my browser pages for nothing but time it seems
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This is also BS. The evo lte I had always dumped the browser and this phone does it as well, even just going back and forth from the browser to the music app. The galaxy i switched to did not exhibit the same behavior. In fact, that thing would often keep the browser in memory till the NEXT DAY. This phone with 2gb ram (and 700 plus free) will dump my browser pages for nothing but time it seems
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It's really not. I had chrome stay in RAM for 3 full hours tonight even when playing games. Don't ever use the stock browser, they're always terrible on all platforms.
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It's really not. I had chrome stay in RAM for 3 full hours tonight even when playing games. Don't ever use the stock browser, they're always terrible on all platforms.
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See, that's what's retarded to me. I too have also ran a heavy game and came back to the browser and my pages were still there. But let me play some music and come back a few minutes later and it's highly likely that it's been terminated
I don't use chrome because the stuttery scrolling. The stock browser is the smoothest I've ever used on android so I'm a bit smitten
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See, that's what's retarded to me. I too have also ran a heavy game and came back to the browser and my pages were still there. But let me play some music and come back a few minutes later and it's highly likely that it's been terminated
I don't use chrome because the stuttery scrolling. The stock browser is the smoothest I've ever used on android so I'm a bit smitten
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Chrome doesn't have any scrolling lag for me on the One.
Hi
I am new to android. I switched from iphone 5 to moto x. I got the fone yesterday and having some serious problems. Scrolling especially in facebook is very laggy. Browser is ok but facebook app is terrible. Its not the same case in iphone 5 where its buttery smooth. So my doubt is, is the fb app lags same on all android phones or just the moto x? even i will get ocassional hiccups on twitter. Is it normal. Can it be optimized by tweaking any settings? I love the phone but this thing sucks
Thanks
can't help you. i get no lag in scrolling in fb.
Facebook is horrible lag monster on all android phones. Join the beta program. The facebook beta app is a much better situation.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/face...ndroid-beta-testing-program/10151529228878920
gunnyman said:
Facebook is horrible lag monster on all android phones. Join the beta program. The facebook beta app is a much better situation.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/face...ndroid-beta-testing-program/10151529228878920
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i'm on the beta one. maybe that is the issue
gunnyman said:
Facebook is horrible lag monster on all android phones. Join the beta program. The facebook beta app is a much better situation.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/face...ndroid-beta-testing-program/10151529228878920
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murso74 said:
i'm on the beta one. maybe that is the issue
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As someone who has always greenified facebook before, is the beta FB app worth it over the normal one?
I've honestly not worried about apps or syncing or shutting off anything. This phone lasts ALL day for me with NOTHING turned off.
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As someone who has always greenified facebook before, is the beta FB app worth it over the normal one?
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the most recent beta has been working flawless for me. however the ones before it had issues. beta is beta, just like nightlies. sometimes you get a bad one.
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I've honestly not worried about apps or syncing or shutting off anything. This phone lasts ALL day for me with NOTHING turned off.
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I generally don't care about facebook notifications because I'm not a terribly active user. Most notifications are a few friends that post way more than they should and I could care less so I turn them off. Because i dont need the notifications, I generally always greenified it.
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Facebook is horrible lag monster on all android phones. Join the beta program. The facebook beta app is a much better situation.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/face...ndroid-beta-testing-program/10151529228878920
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Facebook is the possible root of some of my issues with wifi.
Trolling?
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Welcome to android. Scrolling in third party apps is rarely smooth on android. My iPhone 5 is flawless in that regard. It's because on android, app developers don't have to follow strict standards like on ios. Tweaking will not really help with the Facebook app. Source: tweaking both android and ios for 2 years.
You will notice quite a few android users will flat out deny any lag in an effort to defend their purchase decision. Just something I've noticed.
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facebook app sucks, try just using your browser it will be much quicker and less of a battery hog. You can always set a bookmark on the browser and add that to your homescreen.
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facebook app sucks, try just using your browser it will be much quicker and less of a battery hog. You can always set a bookmark on the browser and add that to your homescreen.
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But then, you lose the top panel that allows you to make a new post, see your notifications etc unless you scroll all the way to the top. That's the way I remember it. Did they change that?
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But then, you lose the top panel that allows you to make a new post, see your notifications etc unless you scroll all the way to the top. That's the way I remember it. Did they change that?
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you are correct. You would need to scroll to the top to see those.
thanks for all your replys.. this is the only issue i am having.. and the battery is a beast in this phone. On heavy usage with 5hrs+ screen time and 3hrs of phone calls my phone is at 3% after 15 hours which is way way better than my iphone. I had tried stream app for facebook and its nice scrolling is a bit smooth and some features are missing. I will try the beta app as suggested.
Thanks again
What exactly were you expecting when you went from iOS to Android?
Lag, stutter and crashes are a daily occurance on Android. Fanboys will deny it online, but if you've ever used an iPhone it's instantly obvious.
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What exactly were you expecting when you went from iOS to Android?
Lag, stutter and crashes are a daily occurance on Android. Fanboys will deny it online, but if you've ever used an iPhone it's instantly obvious.
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only lag or stutter i get with the moto x is in the chive app and xda developers app. These are app related not android related. Moto x has been publicized as one of the best android experience to date for partially these reasons. Apple will always be better though. One phone built for one software. Even though the latest release for apple really screwed up how well older devices worked.
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What exactly were you expecting when you went from iOS to Android?
Lag, stutter and crashes are a daily occurance on Android. Fanboys will deny it online, but if you've ever used an iPhone it's instantly obvious.
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And yet you are here
I just came from an iPhone 5 and am using the Nexus 5 now (soon to be owner of the Moto X), and I can tell you that I have had no lags on my Nexus 5 at all. Just because app developers dont code their apps properly, and manufacturers insist on slapping their phones with bloated skins, doesn't mean the OS itself sucks.
And the fact that android stands up to iOS in smoothness, when iOS is NOWHERE close to Android in terms of functionality is a testament to Google and their OS.
And no I am not a fanboy by any stretch of imagination. I regularly switch between iOS and android phones (albeit only the top end ones) and have an iPad mini as my tablet right now (which I got after flipping my nexus 10)
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And yet you are here
I just came from an iPhone 5 and am using the Nexus 5 now (soon to be owner of the Moto X), and I can tell you that I have had no lags on my Nexus 5 at all. Just because app developers dont code their apps properly, and manufacturers insist on slapping their phones with bloated skins, doesn't mean the OS itself sucks.
And the fact that android stands up to iOS in smoothness, when iOS is NOWHERE close to Android in terms of functionality is a testament to Google and their OS.
And no I am not a fanboy by any stretch of imagination. I regularly switch between iOS and android phones (albeit only the top end ones) and have an iPad mini as my tablet right now (which I got after flipping my nexus 10)
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very true. The only app that lags for me is facebook, and I stopped using that a while ago, so it doesn't even matter.
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What exactly were you expecting when you went from iOS to Android?
Lag, stutter and crashes are a daily occurance on Android. Fanboys will deny it online, but if you've ever used an iPhone it's instantly obvious.
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Not sure what phones you are using, but I haven't had these issues since my sgs2... Since then, it was only minimal lag and stutter... Until the moto x. I have had 1 rrb since I owned this phone (2 months) when it lags and stutters it is so limited and or imperceptible that I don't notice.
I'm no fanboy, I've used iOS extensively and it is a very very smooth experience, yes, more so than on Android, but that is to be expected considering their iron grip on the entire system.
What's funny is the way Apple has designed their os to hide the existence of app and system crashes. There is a setting in iOS that is a debugging/usage statistic report that gets sent to apple, if you have it enabled and then read the log you will see what's going on behind the scenes.
One of my employees and I were talking about this, he has an iPhone 5 and I asked him if his phone ever crashes or if apps force close, he said never. I then asked him if you ever are in an app and it just randomly goes back to the home screen, he said yes, and it was a common occurrence. He thought it was him pushing a button or something... Anyways, I explained that this was the apps force closing, it's just that Apple has cleverly disguised it, unlike Android which tells you point blank.
But I digress... I asked him to go to this setting and see if it was enabled, it was and so we looked at the bug report. There were over 2 dozen app crashes, Facebook and bluealien (reddit) were the main culprits, but also safari and a few others. All completely unknown to him because if the sly way Apple coded their os.
What my point is, is that even iOS is not perfect, and I found that there were more crashes on any iPhone 5 vs even my sgs3 and exponentially more than my moto x... Apple just hides it very very well.
Tldr: Apple hides the existence of os/app crashes, they happen more than anyone knows.
Moto X rocking 4.4
This is my second "Try" at the android world. I tried out that HTC one X+ last year and had nothing but problems and switched to an Iphone 5.
I am having an issue receiving texts from iphone users (working on that now). Other than that i'm pretty happy with the phone. Speaker quality is a little worse however I expected that. Audio quality while playing through play music was better than iphone IMO (big suprise there).
The otterbox seems well built, however the one for the Iphone 5 is a nicer product, any recommendations for a similar case? I'm a big fisherman and clumsy guy so who knows what will happen.
I still have the crappy camera update (ATT) so I will post some side by side pics there. Any tips on apps other than the normal fb/reddit?
Thanks!
Muffinman51432 said:
This is my second "Try" at the android world. I tried out that HTC one X+ last year and had nothing but problems and switched to an Iphone 5.
I am having an issue receiving texts from iphone users (working on that now). Other than that i'm pretty happy with the phone. Speaker quality is a little worse however I expected that. Audio quality while playing through play music was better than iphone IMO (big suprise there).
The otterbox seems well built, however the one for the Iphone 5 is a nicer product, any recommendations for a similar case? I'm a big fisherman and clumsy guy so who knows what will happen.
I still have the crappy camera update (ATT) so I will post some side by side pics there. Any tips on apps other than the normal fb/reddit?
Thanks!
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Your receiving texts from iPhone users is probably them being sent to your iMessage account by default... but seems like you might already be aware of this.
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Your receiving texts from iPhone users is probably them being sent to your iMessage account by default... but seems like you might already be aware of this.
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Yeah I should be good now!!
Holy crap swype rocks
A friend of mine cannot text me from his Iphone, however another friend can. It may be going through my e-mail still. Any tips?
Give it time for the cases to come out. Welcome to android. I'm using qmadix case which is a pretty good build but it doesn't have the rugged otter box protection. Also, if you take the time to learn about everything your new phone can do over the iphone you don't ever switch back. Not that iphones aren't amazing because their product is great but if you like making your phone the way you like it, android is the way to go. Most of the apps are pretty similar unless you root your phone and start tweaking it. Maybe someone else knows more android only type apps.
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Give it time for the cases to come out. Welcome to android. I'm using qmadix case which is a pretty good build but it doesn't have the rugged otter box protection. Also, if you take the time to learn about everything your new phone can do over the iphone you don't ever switch back. Not that iphones aren't amazing because their product is great but if you like making your phone the way you like it, android is the way to go. Most of the apps are pretty similar unless you root your phone and start tweaking it. Maybe someone else knows more android only type apps.
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Familiar with root and such with my n7 which really turned me onto the android world. The screen is a little bigger than the iphone, however the nexus 5 may be worth the wait.
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Yeah I should be good now!!
Holy crap swype rocks
A friend of mine cannot text me from his Iphone, however another friend can. It may be going through my e-mail still. Any tips?
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I just read an article about this but I can't remember where. Was an apple issue with phone numbers still being associated with imessage
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Turn on Imessge
Edit; sorry pressed enter too fast on the app
Get an iPhone. Turn on imessage. Make sure you give it enough time to fully activate. Send an imessage to said friend
Turn off imessage send text message from iPhone to said friend
Works ?
Go back to moto x. Should be good
Had the same issue with the same phones.
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1eli said:
Turn on Imessge
Edit; sorry pressed enter too fast on the app
Get an iPhone. Turn on imessage. Make sure you give it enough time to fully activate. Send an imessage to said friend
Turn off imessage send text message from iPhone to said friend
Works ?
Go back to moto x. Should be good
Had the same issue with the same phones.
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came here to say this. When my gf's mom switched she had the same issues and Apple didn't even want to help her. She kept telling them her msgs won't come through because they are going to imsg and now she has a galaxy. Apple basically told her it's an android phone and blew her off.
When my gf updated I turned imsg off before had and she hasn't had a single issue. May be a PITA but either get apple customer service to turn that feature off in your acct or get an iOS device on wifi and enable/disable it.
Muffinman51432 said:
Holy crap swype rocks
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Swype is the main reason I switched from an iphone 5 back to android lol. That, and Moto X is a beautiful piece of hardware.
I type like a handicap without swype. It's the original way I learned how to type on a smartphone lol. I can also swype a lot faster with one hand then most people type with two.
I don't like Android at all, but being able to type fast is more important to me for the time being.
Android itself is a flawed OS. If it wasn't for XDA I would have never owned an Android device. A lot of the developers on here create tweaks, ROM's, hacks that enhance the device in simple intuitive ways, so much that it puts Google to shame (yea I said it). I mean how in the bloody hell has volume button longpress to change track NOT been implemented in all official ROM's yet? It's so intuitive, easy to implement, test and apply. They built a trillion dollar empire selling the only mobile operating system that still lags in 2013 on EPIC hardware - mind you. I'm sure 99% of people on XDA will disagree with me because MOST people don't notice these things. But for me it drives me absolutely bananas when any 6-$700 Android device in 2013 has less GUI fluidity (in both OS and third party apps) then my first generation dual core Athlon64 PC with 1GB single channel ddr1 memory. I built that system in 2005. Comparing any Android device to any WP7.5, WP8 or ios4+ device in terms of transition animation fluidity and vertical scrolling fluidity is downright embarrassing.
I suppose that's what happens when you build an empire on top of a a landfill :laugh:
Given, the Moto X is definitely the best Android device released to date IMHO.
scorpion667 said:
Swype is the main reason I switched from an iphone 5 back to android lol. That, and Moto X is a beautiful piece of hardware.
I type like a handicap without swype. It's the original way I learned how to type on a smartphone lol. I can also swype a lot faster with one hand then most people type with two.
I don't like Android at all, but being able to type fast is more important to me for the time being.
Android itself is a flawed OS. If it wasn't for XDA I would have never owned an Android device. A lot of the developers on here create tweaks, ROM's, hacks that enhance the device in simple intuitive ways, so much that it puts Google to shame (yea I said it). I mean how in the bloody hell has volume button longpress to change track NOT been implemented in all official ROM's yet? It's so intuitive, easy to implement, test and apply. They built a trillion dollar empire selling the only mobile operating system that still lags in 2013 on EPIC hardware - mind you. I'm sure 99% of people on XDA will disagree with me because MOST people don't notice these things. But for me it drives me absolutely bananas when any 6-$700 Android device in 2013 has less GUI fluidity (in both OS and third party apps) then my first generation dual core Athlon64 PC with 1GB single channel ddr1 memory. I build that system in 2005. Comparing any WP7.5, WP8 or ios device to android in terms of transition animation fluidity and vertical scrolling fluidity is downright embarrassing.
I suppose that's what happens when you build an empire on top of a a landfill :laugh:
Given, the Moto X is definitely the best Android device released to date IMHO.
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apple builds one os for one phone with one set of hardware for a pretty similar customer base generally. google builds one OS to send to 100s of phone companies for thousands of phones with millions of different piece of hardware. Those phone companies then implement their own layers of software over it. The way the process is just makes it more difficult. While I agree on some points with you, I think they do a pretty good job considering what they are up against. If google makes an os with all of the tweaks gismos and gadgets then trys to send it to the phone companeis and deal with making what they want to do work with what google's OS does, there would probably be way more issues than we currently have.
edit: I made many generalizations so feel free not to pick and choose little tid bits of info to say how I'm wrong because it was more of just a general synopsis as opposed to an exact layout of how things are.
jayboyyyy said:
apple builds one os for one phone with one set of hardware for a pretty similar customer base generally. google builds one OS to send to 100s of phone companies for thousands of phones with millions of different piece of hardware. Those phone companies then implement their own layers of software over it. The way the process is just makes it more difficult. While I agree on some points with you, I think they do a pretty good job considering what they are up against. If google makes an os with all of the tweaks gismos and gadgets then trys to send it to the phone companeis and deal with making what they want to do work with what google's OS does, there would probably be way more issues than we currently have.
edit: I made many generalizations so feel free not to pick and choose little tid bits of info to say how I'm wrong because it was more of just a general synopsis as opposed to an exact layout of how things are.
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I agree.
I'm not trying to be a **** but like... that explanation, that issue, that situation won't make my phone any faster. I understand there are reasons for this problem. But the problem is not fixed.
Come to think of it look at Windows Phones man. WP7.5 and 8 are pretty much the most fluid operating systems I've ever tried, regardless of device. You can find low, mid and high end WP devices. And they are all fluid, responsive and don't drop frames or stutter when scrolling vertically. Not always for the super low end models but you get my point. And I've tried the low end ones in the store as well. If there's one thing MS got right in the smartphone world, it's definitely the fluidity. I'm sorry but if MS can do it, Google could do it as well. But let's face it, you know as well as I do that companies won't change unless people stop buying. And most people don't seem to mind the lack of fluidity and if they do they are using iphones.
And another issue is the lack of...quality play store apps - even the popular ones with 10m+ downloads. Because that dev environment is not as restricted as ios, you see a lot of popular apps like the NOTORIOUS Facebook that takes us back to our windows 95 days where smooth scrolling was a rare phenomenon. In fact I can most likely count on one hand, the amount of times in a day that I have scrolled vertically in FB app without any lag/frame drop/stuttering. People want to say that this is not Google's fault. How is it not their fault if they ALLOWED these poorly done ios ports to make it on the Google Play Store by not posing that many restrictions.
You're absolutely right about the apps. Is really bad. There are some gorgeous android apps that conform to android design guidelines, but most of the main, most popular apps are nothing but iOS ports and look and run like sh*t on android.
As far as fluidity goes, I'm just not seeing it. I have zero lag on the moto x. I didn't have any lag on my nexus 4 either. If you're talking about scrolling in the browser, try dolphin or some other browser.
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You're absolutely right about the apps. Is really bad. There are some gorgeous android apps that conform to android design guidelines, but most of the main, most popular apps are nothing but iOS ports and look and run like sh*t on android.
As far as fluidity goes, I'm just not seeing it. I have zero lag on the moto x. I didn't have any lag on my nexus 4 either. If you're talking about scrolling in the browser, try dolphin or some other browser.
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Yes the over all UI is fast. Google did a really good job in that but my concern is about the apps that i use on day to day basis like facebook and twitter. May be coming from an iphone 5 caused this issue as everything on it was buttery smooth not the same in the case of android. There is a third party app for twitter like echofon which is super smooth as in ios but official apps still suck. I hope this would change in coming days. Facebook in browser is smooth and app sucks with dropped framerate and lag.
I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.
sravanz said:
Yes the over all UI is fast. Google did a really good job in that but my concern is about the apps that i use on day to day basis like facebook and twitter. May be coming from an iphone 5 caused this issue as everything on it was buttery smooth not the same in the case of android. There is a third party app for twitter like echofon which is super smooth as in ios but official apps still suck. I hope this would change in coming days. Facebook in browser is smooth and app sucks with dropped framerate and lag.
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I don't do Facebook anymore, but when I did, I used friendcaster... It was very very smooth and had more features.
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scorpion667 said:
I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.
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I'm not kidding when I say I really don't notice but that is probably just because I don't care that much. Scrolling animation I do care about, but I just don't really notice that bad of scrolling animation for much. I mean I hate facebook but I don't use that. And chrome just launched recently so I'm actually pretty impressed with its fluidity at this stage in the development.
But for all that stuff I still think it goes back to my original post. I really don't know how many phones are running windows operating system but I don't feel like it is a lot. They also don't get android apps do they? aren't they getting windows base apps so they don't have to deal with all the issues that come with letting people create apps.
To the issue of google not moderating their app's in google play the way apple does. Apple has one or 5 phones with standard hardware. You will see apps that run perfectly on one android phone but not another. I don't believe google would be able to set criteria that would make all android apps work perfectly on all thousand of devices with thousands of different softwares on them. I'm not saying android are better, as much as I'm saying apple has it so easy. Google can't even control all the software phone companies overlay on their android OS or what hardware they use.
Finally, Ill take the bad with good. I prefer an open app market where someone can create something like better battery stats just because they felt like it and not have to jump through a million hoops. Turns out i has become extremely useful. And if the app sucks let it die. Don't use it. Capitalism lol.
But clearly no one can argue that apple products are not smoother and won't always be smoother than android products. Arguments can be made for nexus and other phones that are built purely for the android OS, but the apps being developed are being developed to work on all android products not just stock android Nexus's so they still will get lag from certain things.
Windows phone is different, closer to iOS. Remember Microsoft forces any manufacturer who makes a wp device to use a specific CPU, specific ram, etc. The OS is written for one device configuration, and just the screen tech can change. Same as Apple basically. I remember when all windows phones were forced to use the Qualcomm 1ghz snapdragon which let's the OS be perfectly optimized to the hardware.
scorpion667 said:
I have some specific examples:
open dialer, stutters once halfway through the transition animation, regardless if it was running in the background or not
open email, stutters once near the end of the transition animation. opened email again, got a graphical glitch where it bypassed the transition animation completely
scrolling in gmail stutters sometime depending on scroll speed. mid to high speed scrolling stutters. only drops one frame it seems but I can notice it
the first time you start Settings, it skips a frame in the transition animation, after that it's smooth
in google drive if you click on an item and click back, it bypasses all transition and loading animation and roughly reverts to the previous screen
scrolling in sms app drops frames at certain points in scrolling. not as much as other apps, but it definitely does it
scrolling through my alarms slow to mid speed results in back to back stutters until the scrolling stops.
maps stutters when you press locate button while it speeds to your current location. also stutters during transition animation on first open. The ios app google maps is FLUID and butter smooth
gmail widget froze for 1 second while scrolling
Play store stutters consistently while scrolling.
The number of apps that stutter/lag on my iphone 5 (100+ apps) = 0 (zero)
I can't be the only one that notices these things.
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You're not the only one, most Android users are in denial or have never given the iPhone a chance, I was one of those Android users until I picked up an iPhone 4 a few years ago to resell and decided to give it a try before getting rid of it. I have since had the 4S and the 5. All throughout, I tried going back to android with the GS2, GS3, GS4, Nexus 4, HTC One X, HTC One and now the Moto X. The full Samsung lineup was just terrible and laggy, couldn't stand using either of them for over a week, the HTC one was pretty smooth and the UI was bearable but the phone was physically awkward, the Nexus 4 lasted a day but only because it didn't have LTE, the Moto X is the best Android experience I have had all around, only complaints are attention to detail from Motorola like the wifi icon gap and the terrible AT&T logo (all can be fixed on a rooted device). I see myself hanging on to this phone for a while (I hope). Might just get a 5S for a second device though.
ruskiyab said:
You're not the only one, most Android users are in denial or have never given the iPhone a chance, I was one of those Android users until I picked up an iPhone 4 a few years ago to resell and decided to give it a try before getting rid of it. I have since had the 4S and the 5. All throughout, I tried going back to android with the GS2, GS3, GS4, Nexus 4, HTC One X, HTC One and now the Moto X. The full Samsung lineup was just terrible and laggy, couldn't stand using either of them for over a week, the HTC one was pretty smooth and the UI was bearable but the phone was physically awkward, the Nexus 4 lasted a day but only because it didn't have LTE, the Moto X is the best Android experience I have had all around, only complaints are attention to detail from Motorola like the wifi icon gap and the terrible AT&T logo (all can be fixed on a rooted device). I see myself hanging on to this phone for a while (I hope). Might just get a 5S for a second device though.
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I actually find the inverse to be true. The vast majority of android users I know all started out on iOS, myself included... However few iOS users I know have ever tried Android... Perhaps for a day or two then reverted.
The plane fact is that Google/Android does not control the manufacturers desire for hardware, wherein, both wp and apple have a strict doctrine for hardware specs... Even with Windows phones, many have very similar specs or types of hardware technologies that wp7 are specifically designed for. Look what happened when wp7 launched... Nothing was supported, app wise, from previous os versions... This speaks to how much wp is compartmentalized, even though it appears to have a variety of device choices.
This is the trade off that we Android users accept, a truly vast array of device types, having virtually any pick and combination of hardware we want, with an endless supply of new devices, but this leads to fragmentation... Jb really targeted this issue and has done amazing things to close the software compatibility issues between devices from both ends of the spectrum... And I believe it will only get better with each new android version.
Personally, I'll take a little stutter hear and there ( haven't seen a touch of it with the moto x btw) than be told what hardware and what software I can have...
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