RAM managment - Samsung Galaxy Mini

guys i know you all heard for this app (Ram manager pro)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization&hl=en
but, i bet lot of you didnt notice a biiiiiig update...now you can swap your RAM on your internal, the fastest partition in our device (not even close to sd card class100)
but, im not sure about it, and i ask for help from developers or android wizz that know this method...
i noticed that this thing works, but, after you swap, you dont have space left...so, iv got partitioned my sd card, only to 256mb, just to check...and it really works again!
Again, but, you need to create swap file right after flashing fresh rom, so it (swap file) occupy internal memory at once! Cause, if you instal some apps, it will use sd ext, and probably go to sd card, wich doesnt make any difference in performance...
Once again, im asking for opinion of expert, to confirm this...
Im using latest jb4.2.2, and best way to check this is to play some game and to listen a music at same time : DIDNT GET FC OR ANY LAG!
tnx in advance
NOTE: don't create swap bigger than 128mb, thats our max internal

Does it really works? Because i used to swap too but it didnt make any difference in performance. The only thing i notice is my phone got hotter alot.....
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Nixoman said:
guys i know you all heard for this app (Ram manager pro)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimization&hl=en
but, i bet lot of you didnt notice a biiiiiig update...now you can swap your RAM on your internal, the fastest partition in our device (not even close to sd card class100)
but, im not sure about it, and i ask for help from developers or android wizz that know this method...
i noticed that this thing works, but, after you swap, you dont have space left...so, iv got partitioned my sd card, only to 256mb, just to check...and it really works again!
Again, but, you need to create swap file right after flashing fresh rom, so it (swap file) occupy internal memory at once! Cause, if you instal some apps, it will use sd ext, and probably go to sd card, wich doesnt make any difference in performance...
Once again, im asking for opinion of expert, to confirm this...
Im using latest jb4.2.2, and best way to check this is to play some game and to listen a music at same time : DIDNT GET FC OR ANY LAG!
tnx in advance
NOTE: don't create swap bigger than 128mb, thats our max internal
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Tried this last year .....the script was made by custdroid.....
Unfortunately the constant read and write on ROM is not so good for the hardware.. ...so I deprecated the project for mini also with such low internal memory I could create only 32mb swap on internal and the phone soon started yo take its toll ...you may try this but I am sharing my experience cause it may feel smooth for sometime but it reduces the life of your mini considerably cause ROM is supposed to non-volatile unlike RAM which is volatile...
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but isnt everytime you start app you writing and reading with data and cache? on internal?

Nixoman said:
but isnt everytime you start app you writing and reading with data and cache? on internal?
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But is that really as frequent and as comprehensive as RAM?
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hsay said:
But is that really as frequent and as comprehensive as RAM?
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i don't know, only way is to test it by myself, ill report behavior of my mini in one week, iv got nothing to lose, already out of warranty, almost 3 years old, got new nokia n9, i gonna take the bullet for that

Nixoman said:
i don't know, only way is to test it by myself, ill report behavior of my mini in one week, iv got nothing to lose, already out of warranty, almost 3 years old, got new nokia n9, i gonna take the bullet for that
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That was a rhetoric question ....sarcasm if you may ...anyway you may try it....
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hsay said:
That was a rhetoric question ....sarcasm if you may ...anyway you may try it....
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why to be rhetoric when can be (or not) usefull if no harm causing to device? :fingers-crossed:

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massive ammount of problems on JFS 1.51

getting read to just swich to one of the hero roms at this point but figured before i do i'll see if any of these can be fixed.
This all started right shortly after the 1.51 update
First of all, I've wipped the phone and reinstalled twice now and left the battery out and did formats and tried new SD cards and all that and these are the problems i'm having.
-Camera will not save once finished. It takes the picture but it never saves to the SD card.
-Screen randomly changes orientation by itself when the phone is not moving at all. on a table
-Lots of random crashes
-and the worst. Certain apps will only download 50% of the file size when i download them making them never work, If this happens it's impossible to ever download it. Even after wiping and reloading the phone the same thing happened again. It also happens in updates as well. Killed mybackup pro and i had to go download it off rapidshare because i needed to make backups and the market download would never download properly.
So basically, is there any way to fix all these problems or am i better off just going through everything and flashing to a new rom now.
very strange, never had problems on JF1.5 or 1.51. Have you tried flashing JF1.5? If that's still causing problems I'd try Cyanogens build. Sorry I can't help much, but you've already tried everything I would have suggested
yeah i've posted on a few forums and did everything there. then figured i might as well post here as a last resort.
I did try going back to 1.5 and things worked fine, then went to 1.51 again and everything happened again. I'd like to be running the latest release of any custom rom, and hero looks awesome so i'm thinking that if i can't fix this i'll just go through everything to upgrade to hero
There are no major changes from my JFv1.50 release, except a few new kernel modules.
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Hardly anything to update for, but whatever, have fun with hero Don't flash the SPL without the Radio (seems obvious but loads of people are spamming looking for a nonexistent solution to unbrick :< )
yeah i guess. Just me being myself wanting the lastest things. And don't worry i won't do that. been reading all about it for the last few days after i decided to give up on jfs 1.51
thanks!
neok44 said:
yeah i guess. Just me being myself wanting the lastest things. And don't worry i won't do that. been reading all about it for the last few days after i decided to give up on jfs 1.51
thanks!
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The Hero build certainly looks nice, but it might take you a while to get used to the slight slowness compared to the non-Rosie builds. Still... very pretty, keeps me mesmerized while I wait for my stuff to load... j/k
I've been using aHome for 5 months, i'm used to lag. lol.
nothing prepares you for Hero lag!!! just kidding, with linux-swap or compcache, its pretty snappy, but not comparable to non-hero builds.
well i'll find out soon enough. If it ends up being really bad then i may just go to some other ROM but i'm really hoping to have hero run good. Unfortountly i just have a normal Micro SD 2GB which has no class distinction so hopefully it'll be alright. If not i may have to go get another 8GB.
When i tried to format the last 8GB to get apps2sd working one program destroyed the card. shows up as 8MB now instead of GB. lol.
use cyns rom. most fastes freshes bestes cupcake ever. even tastes better. and his recovery also.
neok44 said:
well i'll find out soon enough. If it ends up being really bad then i may just go to some other ROM but i'm really hoping to have hero run good. Unfortountly i just have a normal Micro SD 2GB which has no class distinction so hopefully it'll be alright. If not i may have to go get another 8GB.
When i tried to format the last 8GB to get apps2sd working one program destroyed the card. shows up as 8MB now instead of GB. lol.
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there is a way to fix that on linux mentioned somewhere here on the forums...
it involves just writing 0's through the card
B-man007 said:
there is a way to fix that on linux mentioned somewhere here on the forums...
it involves just writing 0's through the card
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yeah, unfortountly i have no machine with Linux and i have no spare room on my PC right now to do another partition. I'm using up like 750GB of about 850 total lol.
RE- massive ammount of problems on JFS 1.51
neok44 said:
yeah, unfortountly i have no machine with Linux and i have no spare room on my PC right now to do another partition. I'm using up like 750GB of about 850 total lol.
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You can run linix right from cd-rom.
UBUNTU
I too noticed alot of lagging in jf1.51 after moving all apps to sd so I took off Ahome and openhome and it runs alot better. I also need to get a class 6 sd card which will help speed things up. currious...does anyone know if there are limitations on the size of the sd card for G1? I looked on HTC's site and T-mobile's as well it just says micro sd 2.0.
didn't know that. guess i'm gonna have to grab that and try to fix my 8GB
and i thought that the G1 was capped at 8GB but i've seen people say they have 16GB cards so i guess you can go up to 16gb. which i think is the largest they make in micro sd
neok44 said:
didn't know that. guess i'm gonna have to grab that and try to fix my 8GB
and i thought that the G1 was capped at 8GB but i've seen people say they have 16GB cards so i guess you can go up to 16gb. which i think is the largest they make in micro sd
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Seen people with 32gb lol
damn why the hell would you even need 32GB thats just crazy.
neok44 said:
damn why the hell would you even need 32GB thats just crazy.
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Lol the more space you have the more you will fill it. its like buying a 160gb ipod.... ur never gonna use all of it

swap how it works not how to set it up

i have not stayed as up to date with all the advancements on the g1. so im asking about swap and how it works i read how works on like desktop and ect but i did not fully understand it. also tried looking a some threads about again could not really find anything on how it works. i get that its kind of like extra ram but not really. i guess im wondering how its not like ram i understand that its not hardwired and that can create issue is that the only real difference? and why can too much give you strange lags and ect? any reply would be of tremendous help
on that subject please explain swappiness 2. how to check and change swappiness. i understand u can change swappiness with terminal with code: su
then
echo xx > proc/sys/vm/swappiness
but how to check the swappiness?
j0k3rn2o said:
on that subject please explain swappiness 2. how to check and change swappiness. i understand u can change swappiness with terminal with code: su
then
echo xx > proc/sys/vm/swappiness
but how to check the swappiness?
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I actually pull the file and look at it.
Code:
su
cp /system/bin/user.conf /sdcard/user.conf
Then once you edit or do what you will now we need to move it back.
Code:
cp /sdcard/user.conf /system/bin/user.conf
Then i use "Text Edit" to look at the file and read the swappiness.
jmon777 said:
i have not stayed as up to date with all the advancements on the g1. so im asking about swap and how it works i read how works on like desktop and ect but i did not fully understand it. also tried looking a some threads about again could not really find anything on how it works. i get that its kind of like extra ram but not really. i guess im wondering how its not like ram i understand that its not hardwired and that can create issue is that the only real difference? and why can too much give you strange lags and ect? any reply would be of tremendous help
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The swap is something like Virtual Ram. It helps the G1 run things like Hero or make cupcake faster. Its something that the G1 lacks but most other android devices will have. You'll need to set up your SD card in the following order. Fat32/Ext2-3-4/Linux-Swap. Most ROM's will use the swap automatically so there's nothing extra you need to do.
nolimit78 said:
The swap is something like Virtual Ram. It helps the G1 run things like Hero or make cupcake faster. Its something that the G1 lacks but most other android devices will have. You'll need to set up your SD card in the following order. Fat32/Ext2-3-4/Linux-Swap. Most ROM's will use the swap automatically so there's nothing extra you need to do.
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ok i get that. and i dont think that any of the new phones will have this until there is larger internal storage. but i could wrong. but my question that remains is why a swap partition of 128 or so seem to create odd lag problems. and most devs say 32 mb is most stable so a little information on this would be nice.
jmon777 said:
ok i get that. and i dont think that any of the new phones will have this until there is larger internal storage. but i could wrong. but my question that remains is why a swap partition of 128 or so seem to create odd lag problems. and most devs say 32 mb is most stable so a little information on this would be nice.
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Hmmm I've acutally heard good things about 128. I haven't gone over 100mb for Linux Swap and it's actually pretty smooth... I would stick with that and if you want more speed increase your swappiness And that's the thing when rooting your phone like we're doing. It's a clear example of "Results my Vary" What works for one person may not work for another. I would use a linux-swap that works best for you. Try using 64 or 96mb.. see if that works better for you.
nolimit78 said:
Hmmm I've acutally heard good things about 128. I haven't gone over 100mb for Linux Swap and it's actually pretty smooth... I would stick with that and if you want more speed increase your swappiness And that's the thing when rooting your phone like we're doing. It's a clear example of "Results my Vary" What works for one person may not work for another. I would use a linux-swap that works best for you. Try using 64 or 96mb.. see if that works better for you.
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i haven't done much experimenting because i have not had a complete understanding of it but i am getting there. and i had to get a replacement g1. im going play with a probably burn out a card or 2. but still i would like to know why too much room in the swap partition can make issues and also i was wondering if the size of the card matters in relation to size of the partitions.
jmon777 said:
i haven't done much experimenting because i have not had a complete understanding of it but i am getting there. and i had to get a replacement g1. im going play with a probably burn out a card or 2. but still i would like to know why too much room in the swap partition can make issues and also i was wondering if the size of the card matters in relation to size of the partitions.
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Some of the ROM's just have a hard time. I don't think there's an exact reason. (someone correct me if I'm wrong, I've looked myself) It's weird because some people have great results and others it's just awful.
When it comes to your SD Card It doesn't matter the sizes as long as:
Fat32 Can be the remainder of the card
EXT2/3/4: 1.5GB or less. I've read that any higher and the ROM's freak out
Linux: This can be 128mb or less. Either create a 32/64/96/128 size partition and you should be fine.
do you mind if u can dumb it down for me a lil cuz i have been trying to figure out what the helll swappiness means and i cant find any good explanations. heres what i got so far, correct me if i am wrong. basically, as mentioned, its virtual ram. this virtual ram comes from ur SD card. so when our phones internal ram is not enough, say like on my MT3G, then the ROM, hero in this case, will use the SD memory as RAM. right? ok so whats the point of needing 3 partitions? why is this linux one so freakin important? and what do u mean by swappiness? do u mean just how much mb u are using from every partition?
from what i understand... (which isn't very much)
a swap space is used like ram (like some one said earlier virtual memory) the reason a larger swap space is not as stable in the long run is that once the space starts to fill up more it has more to read through and swap between the swap space and the phone.
swappiness is the rate at which the info is stored in the swap space. its measured in 0 to 100. 0 being the lowest and 100 the highest. the higher the number the more the swap space is used but also the faster the swap space will start to fill up.
i hope my mediocre explanations are not to horribly wrong
Iman07 said:
do you mind if u can dumb it down for me a lil cuz i have been trying to figure out what the helll swappiness means and i cant find any good explanations. heres what i got so far, correct me if i am wrong. basically, as mentioned, its virtual ram. this virtual ram comes from ur SD card. so when our phones internal ram is not enough, say like on my MT3G, then the ROM, hero in this case,
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will use the SD memory as RAM. right?
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It'll use it in addition to the internal RAM.
ok so whats the point of needing 3 partitions?
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Fat32: Needed to keep additional files on. Storage, music, pictures, ect.
EXT2-3-4: This is used in conjunction with the internal memory. (The G1 suffers from a lack of internal space. This is the primary reason why I rooted to begin with)
Linux-Swap: This helps improve the G1/MT3G run CupCake/AOSP/Hero a lot smoother. This works as additional RAM for the unit.
why is this linux one so freakin important?
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This helps run ROM's on a phone that it shouldn't be running on. IE the G1 Running Hero
and what do u mean by swappiness?
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Swappiness is the speed that the ROM can access the LinuxSwap Partition
do u mean just how much mb u are using from every partition?
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This one I didn't understand..
this thread has been very helpful to ne thanks to all those who read it and gave me some info i hope it helps others as well. i got a g1 in the mail today (hope its new and not referb) but im try this this weekend and see how works. but im going try look into and understand why the size matters little more. because i dint think anyone knows.
thank you so much nolimit and everyone else for helping me understand this. i really do appreciate it. it all makes sense now!

Increasing SD card speed.

Looks like you can increase the speed of your SD card by modifying the cache size.
Here's a guide,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
And, here's an app to do it.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sdincrease.it
Well, I have only one GT540. So, am not ready to try it yet. So, get your hands on it guys.
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nibras_reeza said:
Looks like you can increase the speed of your SD card by modifying the cache size.
Here's a guide,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1010807
And, here's an app to do it.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sdincrease.it
Well, I have only one GT540. So, am not ready to try it yet. So, get your hands on it guys.
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It sounds good but I don't think I will need it.
iv tried it and it seems to work i am getting faster access to avi files etc
Thanks
Hope someone finds it useful but I wonder if this will make the SD faster.
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Hope someone finds it useful but I wonder if this will make the SD wear out faster.
nibras_reeza said:
Thanks
Hope someone finds it useful but I wonder if this will make the SD faster.
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I think it won't make the sd card faster.
I installed the sd tool and sd increase apps. Changing to 2048k did speed up reads but the change is not persistent i.e. you have to re-apply with the app after every boot...
Might apply the update zip though because it is noticeably quicker.
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?660647-SD-Increase-1.3
lavero.burgos said:
http://www.ipmart-forum.com/showthread.php?660647-SD-Increase-1.3
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Thanks. Must have updated the app cos I'd swear that option wasn't there before
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16gb being "seen" by MIUI as FIVE gb - HELP !!!!

I sort of went down the rooting route due to everyone saying it was a MUST - even though the LG ran well, everything worked well and battery life was OK if not groundbreaking. So I was kind of half-hearted to start with.
Well, after 2 days of having to keep re-romming after this didn't work and that didn't work (Bluetooth in particular) I just can't get MIUI to see the 16gb card as the 16gb it is, it shows as 5. Now I had read this before. But that the LG software had this problem not the rooted stock. I even tried to go back to LG's original - It didn't work. The download on here (UK version of original Optimus 2x) doesn't install. Says "aborted" - this after horrendously slow download speeds. Keeps saying it's part of a multi-pack on my PC. Put them both on, but....
Anyways. The 16gb card. Ive tried another 16gb card with the same end result.
Can anyone PLEASE help me. Ive got no help on the MIUI site, and just lost. I tried to install Navfree and another navigation prog (Navfree UK maps don't download properly - keeps demanding more and more downloads. Ridiculously so - had to be uninstalled) tried another one, and it said it needed a 750mb download and there wasn't enough room - there was a MOUNTAIN of room. But its showing as 5. (Even there, theres not close to 5gb used)
Can anyone PLEASE help ?
All Ive got so far asking on half a dozen sites, is silence so far in 4 days
I doubt what is 'seen' as 5 gb by your phone is your SD card. I haven't ever heard of such problems. Big chances are, which often happens, that you're mistaking the internal memory as the sd card.
Stock MIUI mounts the internal and external cards the same way as stock LG ROM, but there could be a chance you used a swap mount mod without knowing.
I actually wanted to laugh, here i upload a file just for you
Here is the link for the sd mod.
http://www.box.com/s/7pl04u9onk76d80yb5tl
Credits goes too this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263311
Lol nice heading of miui. 16/miui = 5 kidding, never mind
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Excellent !!!!!
crankyboy said:
I actually wanted to laugh, here i upload a file just for you
Here is the link for the sd mod.
http://www.box.com/s/7pl04u9onk76d80yb5tl
Credits goes too this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1263311
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You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. It's solved my irritating problem and thats an understatement - now I have a proper 16gb sd micro in and all the room that invokes !
spica1234 said:
Lol nice heading of miui. 16/miui = 5 kidding, never mind
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And where was that ? Not in the heading. Check again.
Click the _______ button. (Fill in the blanks) Hint*"when somebody did a favour you should ?":
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You might have fake memory, memory thats been hacked to look like it has more than it does....the chinese do stupid s**t like that. Sometimes when the card is formatted the true memory capacity is revealed.
He is using MIUI ROM
Miui only uses the internel sd card ~~
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Click the _______ button. (Fill in the blanks) Hint*"when somebody did a favour you should ?":
Sent from my Optimus 2X using Tapatalk
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Er.....I checked, and yes, a big thanks given to you for your help. Quite profuse, actually. Ive just noticed the "thanks" button - but you could have done it with a LOT more grace.
Clearly, being thanked profusely didn't do it for you ?
Hard man to please.
I'll click the button then that I missed until er.....reminded of it a little too grumpily for me - hopefully that'll tick the box for you.
Still, while being a little miffed at the attitude, Im still very grateful for your help, for all that.

[Q] about moving applications to SD card

Guys does anyone here solved this problem in xperia z1 to move applications in SD card because i dont want to fully loaded my internal memory which is only 16GB..
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I would like to know about that also. Since my phone is not rooted, how do you get apps to install directly to the SD card. thanks
Me too.
bhagiratha said:
I would like to know about that also. Since my phone is not rooted, how do you get apps to install directly to the SD card. thanks
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Still my apps is installed in my internal memory...i hope in the next release of their firmware or android kitkat it supports moving apps to sd card.
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gaboh24 said:
Guys does anyone here solved this problem in xperia z1 to move applications in SD card because i dont want to fully loaded my internal memory which is only 16GB..
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I don't think we can install apps on the SD card yet ):
The OS is unix based, you can create symbolic links in the internal memory to point to the External SD card. These links tell the OS to look in the location you specified whenever something requests that folder, pretty much seamless.
There are other tools that have been developed which automate some of this for you, if you are not comfortable typing in a terminal window.
There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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Thanks mate!
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dladz said:
There is already a thread about this, conclusion is that mattiad is not going to be doing an internal2external mod, been using his mod for years and I asked him, told me that without the device in his hands (probably donated as he isn't going to be buying it) it isn't going to be happening, mount points and code are different from the s3 apparently.
I've personally been using folder mount, it's a paid app but allows you to mount the larger games and apps found in android/obb or anywhere from one location to another.
Upped my memory to 5GB from 2GB, I've got about 4 large games and around 100 apps installed so it does work.
Link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount&hl=en_GB
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Thank you for the hint. I hope, that after upgrading to 14.2.A.0.290 root will not be remove and rooting will not be so difficult.
schickel said:
Thank you for the hint. I hope, that after upgrading to 14.2.A.0.290 root will not be remove and rooting will not be so difficult.
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Root will happen and there will always be a way around things, the problem Z1 users are facing is a lack of dev's to accomplish these things. Just compare the note 3 forum with this one, huge difference.
The camera bug has obviously played a part in this but it's causing irreparable damage to the Z1 community and has probably put off some dev's we could sorely do with.
Hopefully it'll change withe new releases but as time goes on i'm losing faith to be honest.
dladz said:
Root will happen and there will always be a way around things, the problem Z1 users are facing is a lack of dev's to accomplish these things. Just compare the note 3 forum with this one, huge difference.
The camera bug has obviously played a part in this but it's causing irreparable damage to the Z1 community and has probably put off some dev's we could sorely do with.
Hopefully it'll change withe new releases but as time goes on i'm losing faith to be honest.
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Haha! Dont loose faith mate it's just a phone we people are more intellegent than technology, because humans created it..
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gaboh24 said:
Haha! Dont loose faith mate it's just a phone we people are more intellegent than technology, because humans created it..
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Wearing very thin my friend

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