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I wanted to get an inspire 4g but the crappy battery life and almost impossible to remove battery cover (for using an extra battery) turns me off so i was thinking of getting the incredible s but my provider uses 850/1900 3g bands , has a model with those working bands been announced?
well gsmarena suggests that this phone already has the ability to use those 3g bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_incredible_s-3788.php
Rather unhelpfully HTC's own website only lists "AWS" as a band rather than specifying the frequencies used (though i think they may be).
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/incredibles/specification.html
Best option is probably to ask someone who's out there though i think there's been success in using this in the USA.
Bantu85 said:
well gsmarena suggests that this phone already has the ability to use those 3g bands
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_incredible_s-3788.php
Rather unhelpfully HTC's own website only lists "AWS" as a band rather than specifying the frequencies used (though i think they may be).
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/incredibles/specification.html
Best option is probably to ask someone who's out there though i think there's been success in using this in the USA.
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what the hell is aws? i checked gsm and looks like it could work, it says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 - North America
I hope someone in the us can confirm this!
Just got this off my INC s:
the radio freq bands mine is allowing
"8.GSM_DCS_1800"
"9.GSM_EGSM_900"
"24.GSM_850"
"26.GSM_PCS_1900"
"27.WCDMA_I_IMT_2000"
"30.WCDMA_IV_1700"
"34.WCDMA_VIII_900"
The specs for the Incredible S says basically it won't work for the provider that your using. The Bell is rumored to receive the device which means if that happened, that specific model will have the 3G bands you desire. It's supposed to be released on April 4th. It's a rumor though so don't get your hopes up.
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The specs for the Incredible S says basically it won't work for the provider that your using. The Bell is rumored to receive the device which means if that happened, that specific model will have the 3G bands you desire. It's supposed to be released on April 4th. It's a rumor though so don't get your hopes up.
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As an employee of one of Bell's dealer stores I can certify that it's in our system but there's no release date yet.
Bell uses 3G 850/1900 HSPA bands only for their service.
Yes Bell does release this model for sure on April 4
Hitec
What is required for band unlocking? I understand that the chipset/radio in this phone has a large compatibility with wcdma/utms bands and as it supports a large number of gsm bands, the antenna should be able to rx/tx on the same frequencies for the 3g protocols.
When you flash a radio.img, is this flashing the phones radio/chipset with an updated configuration (eg, radios nvram/bios), or is this just part of the android config which contains the driver for the chipset?
Depending on the answers to the above questions, band unlocking could be achieved by either editing the radios nvram (using a motorola service tool or the like), or flashing a radio.img from a phone with the same chipset but the appropriate bands configured, OR a combination of the two...orthe hard road, hardmodding.
It would be greatly appreciated if someone in the know would be able to contribute to this. Thanks.
I really hope the radio baseband will be flashable soon, so I can turn my XT862s baseband into XT860.
Im not sure i understand what you gain from that? Outside the US aren't they both the same, just that the XT862 has CDMA enabled additionally?
They both feature WCDMA(UTMS) 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, just the Droid 3(XT862) also has CDMA 800 / 1900, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, and can't be used on other US carriers?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
The reason I wish to band unlock is to gain WCDMA(UTMS) 900, as my carriers network uses both the 2100(metro) and 900(rural), offering patchy reception in regions without GSM coverage and poor speed in areas with GSM 900 + WCDMA(UTMS) 900.
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Im not sure i understand what you gain from that? Outside the US aren't they both the same, just that the XT862 has CDMA enabled additionally?
They both feature WCDMA(UTMS) 850/1900/2100, GSM 850/900/1800/1900, just the Droid 3(XT862) also has CDMA 800 / 1900, CDMA2000 1xEV-DO, and can't be used on other US carriers?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
The reason I wish to band unlock is to gain WCDMA(UTMS) 900, as my carriers network uses both the 2100(metro) and 900(rural), offering patchy reception in regions without GSM coverage and poor speed in areas with GSM 900 + WCDMA(UTMS) 900.
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Yes, however some people here and on droidforums have said that the XT860s baseband radio has better GSM performance.
Also, for example, the XT860 has callforwarding while the XT862 has not
So, I eventually changed to the XT883 Chinese rom, of course reception didn't improve (signal in dbm did not change) however it appears to have a better interpretation of the reception (eg, i could make perfectly fine calls on 0 bars on the 862 because the signal was strong, it just showed as being weak), options like call forwarding are useful too, however, all in all, this did not fix my lack of 900MHz W-CDMA, so, I flashed a radio from the Droid 2 Global, and it seems fine so far, currently I am not in a 900Mhz band region, but tomorrow I am, and will hopefully be able to see how it goes.
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Im not sure i understand what you gain from that? Outside the US aren't they both the same
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Definitely not.
I did a few days of thorough testing, and they are incredibly similar - as far as performance goes, it is almost identical, the only difference is the XT883 will hold the connection better because it has more tolerance for error and lower signal, so provided the connection is up, they are almost identical.
The XT883 also has a lower signal threshold for switching between GSM and UMTS, it will hold for longer before switching, and also negotiate a data connection at a lower signal level too.
The XT883 offers more features (like call forwarding and so on) and a more "friendly" representation of your signal status, but no more actual signal, or performance.
Note, this testing was on the 850 and 2100MHz UMTS bands and the 900Mhz GSM band.
bgdwiepp said:
I did a few days of thorough testing, and they are incredibly similar - as far as performance goes, it is almost identical, the only difference is the XT883 will hold the connection better because it has more tolerance for error and lower signal, so provided the connection is up, they are almost identical.
The XT883 also has a lower signal threshold for switching between GSM and UMTS, it will hold for longer before switching, and also negotiate a data connection at a lower signal level too.
The XT883 offers more features (like call forwarding and so on) and a more "friendly" representation of your signal status, but no more actual signal, or performance.
Note, this testing was on the 850 and 2100MHz UMTS bands and the 900Mhz GSM band.
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Well, shouldn't it be relatively easy to find/edit a file that holds this threshold?
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The XT883 also has a lower signal threshold for switching between GSM and UMTS, it will hold for longer before switching, and also negotiate a data connection at a lower signal level too.
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The threshold is the same, it's the measurement that is incorrect (purposely incorrect).
The XT883 offers more features (like call forwarding and so on) and a more "friendly" representation of your signal status, but no more actual signal, or performance.
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Given the above in the same place where an XT883 hold the 3g connection an xt862 switches in 2g, which practically means better performance, even if the radios have more or less the same sensitivity.
BTW usually the true GSM phones like the Milestones 1 and 2 have usually a better radio than the global phones, likely this will apply even to the Milestone 3, indeed the sensitivity of D3 (the true one I mean) is way below the average, while the MS1 was well above the average.
Speaking of band unlock, will flashing XT862 with the Chinese ROM allow use on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US? Or the Chinese Roman doesn't have radio image in it?
Btw, I am not sure how can you enable feature like 900 WCDMA when phone doesn't have this. With MS1/2 it wasn't possible to switch between the 900/2100 (EMEA) and the 850/1900/2100 (NA) bands because hardware isn't there. Has this changed with Droid 3?
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As far as I know the D2 used the qualcomm MDM6600, and was actually capable of band unlocking on certain variants like this, the droid 3 also uses the MDM6600 which does support the 900Mhz band, and should work well.
leobg said:
Speaking of band unlock, will flashing XT862 with the Chinese ROM allow use on AT&T/T-Mobile in the US? Or the Chinese Roman doesn't have radio image in it?
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The XT883 rom includes the radio but this doesn't allow the use of GSM in the US. (AFAIK)
Btw, I am not sure how can you enable feature like 900 WCDMA when phone doesn't have this. With MS1/2 it wasn't possible to switch between the 900/2100 (EMEA) and the 850/1900/2100 (NA) bands because hardware isn't there. Has this changed with Droid 3?
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I'm almost sure that flashing a standard MS1 with an American FW was enough to use it in Canada or Argentina, and viceversa
The Solutor said:
The XT883 rom includes the radio but this doesn't allow the use of GSM in the US. (AFAIK)
I'm almost sure that flashing a standard MS1 with an American FW was enough to use it in Canada or Argentina, and viceversa
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No, it wasn't working. I have MS1 and have experimented with it a lot. When you flash non-matching firmware, you lose 3G.
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Droid 3 finally band-unlocked?
Hi. Is what I saw true? Look at the bottom of the "[Q] Droid 3 and AT&T" thread for details.
Ive gotten burned before by buying a non GSM Droid 2. I havent been able to confirm this from all the resources Ive gone through. I would feel much better if someone here could confirm it.
liquidburns said:
Ive gotten burned before by buying a non GSM Droid 2. I havent been able to confirm this from all the resources Ive gone through. I would feel much better if someone here could confirm it.
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XT860 I believe has GSM support. The XT862 (Motorola Droid 3 - Verizon) only has CMDA support and whatever Vodaphone runs on..
Phew Thanks, that was a close one. I didn't want to drive all the way out to where this person lived just to find out it was cdma only, then feel pressured to buy it. So its safe to say all the Droid 3's sold through Verizon are CDMA only correct?
The XT862 from VW is a global phone like advertised, has GSM and CDMA.
Droid 3 also known as Motorola DROID 3 XT862, Motorola XT860 4G:
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
CDMA 800 / 1900
3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO
MILESTONE 3 XT860 also known as Motorola XT860 4G, Motorola MILESTONE 3 ME863:
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
Milestone XT883 For China market also known as Motorola DROID 3:
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
CDMA 800 / 1900
3G Network
HSDPA 2100
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO
-smc
All D3's sold by VZW in the US are global, although I'd wait for the Galaxy Nexus to come out, being that it's 4G, runs ICS, and global as well.
The D3 Verizon sells works just fine but has a hardware lock because Verizon doesn't want to have them on AT&T and T-Mobile. But if you flash the China ROM it let's you run it on their networks. But overseas it should work just fine.
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ChaoticWeaponry said:
XT860 I believe has GSM support. The XT862 (Motorola Droid 3 - Verizon) only has CMDA support and whatever Vodaphone runs on..
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Wrong. You can use the GSM feature anywhere if you unlock it, except for any US GSM networks
Indeed.. not sure why you would tell him its CDMA only? I'm using the XT862 with GSM
Yeah the guy who said it doesn't have GSM hardware is wrong.
Hi,
I recently purchased a new xt1058 on ebay, it's the US model i belive, but LTE doesn't work in france.
xt1058 have 2/4/5/7/17 bands activated and LTE in france is 20.
Is there any way to change that ? Can I switch modem files from xt1052 rom (EU version) ?
I'm running kk 4.4.4 212.44.26.ghost_row.RCI.en.CA version.
Thanks!
According to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Europe
France carriers also use band 7 (along with 20). So if you have the proper carrier, you should be fine.
Emiliano55 said:
France carriers also use band 7 (along with 20). So if you have the proper carrier, you should be fine.
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I think the problem is that LTE on band 7 is only on 2600MHz, only band 20 use 800MHz in France
There are 2 different bands mate. One is 2600mhz and the other is 800Mhz. According to Wiki, there are carriers in France that uses 2600Mhz as frecuency for LTE. If that's the case, you should be fine. Look at the link I pasted before.
Emiliano55 said:
There are 2 different bands mate. One is 2600mhz and the other is 800Mhz. According to Wiki, there are carriers in France that uses 2600Mhz as frecuency for LTE. If that's the case, you should be fine. Look at the link I pasted before.
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The problem is the moto x use only 850/900/1900/2100 frequencies , not 2600 MHz.
Thibzzz said:
The problem is the moto x use only 850/900/1900/2100 frequencies , not 2600 MHz.
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Those are the 3G bands that the Moto X supports. Not LTE bands. You are confusing things here.
XT1058 uses LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17 (look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X_(1st_generation)#Variants)
Hence, it uses 1900/1700/850/2600/700.
Many carriers in the EU use band 20 in most cities, the official reason is, band 20 covers more area and only band 7 is used in cluster areas, such as football stadiums, airports, central train stations etc.
At least thats what the German carriers say.
So its mainly an economic decision to use band 20 for regular urban areas and only use band 7 (which doesn't cover so much km²) in the cluster areas.
There is a user who is currently editing some files to enable software wise other LTE frequencies for the Droid, have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/droid-turbo-conquers-europe-t2995343/page3
This however, will only enable the LTE bands software wise, it hasn't been tested yet, if the LTE works then in the EU for band 20 or if its a hardware limitation or if you need to flash the EU modem, too
dagoban said:
Many carriers in the EU use band 20 in most cities, the official reason is, band 20 covers more area and only band 7 is used in cluster areas, such as football stadiums, airports, central train stations etc.
At least thats what the German carriers say.
So its mainly an economic decision to use band 20 for regular urban areas and only use band 7 (which doesn't cover so much km²) in the cluster areas.
There is a user who is currently editing some files to enable software wise other LTE frequencies for the Droid, have a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/droid-turbo-conquers-europe-t2995343/page3
This however, will only enable the LTE bands software wise, it hasn't been tested yet, if the LTE works then in the EU for band 20 or if its a hardware limitation or if you need to flash the EU modem, too
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I tried to enable bands 3,7 and 20 on my XT1053 and it didn't work for me.
sanez said:
I tried to enable bands 3,7 and 20 on my XT1053 and it didn't work for me.
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What exactly did you try? Flashing the other radio / modem file or by unlocking it in the software or both?
dagoban said:
What exactly did you try? Flashing the other radio / modem file or by unlocking it in the software or both?
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I have since months xt1052 fw with 1053 radio and this allowed me to have Italian language and 3G/H+ working fine. xt1052 radio don't work at all on US devices.
Tried last week to enable bands modifying NV strings via QXDM but there's not effect. GSM and WCDMA are good, but no LTE. I guess is hw limitation, or some other NV items must be changed to get it working.
Emiliano55 said:
Those are the 3G bands that the Moto X supports. Not LTE bands. You are confusing things here.
XT1058 uses LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17
Hence, it uses 1900/1700/850/2600/700.
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Ok, thanks for the clarification
By the way, there is a nice wiki who talks about french LTE bands, and according to it, band 7 @2600Mhz is used by 3 carriers, including mine, but no LTE on my moto x...
As Dagoban said, carriers must mainly use band 20 @800mhz to cover large areas.
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Here's the best I can come up with:
This version (xt1250) is designed to work on Verizons network primarily and lacks band support for many areas. there is a similar model, the xt1225 that is designed for, and sold in Latin America. I don't know about Argentina cellular systems and providers, so I can only guess there. I would find out what the service provider you intend to use implements as a network and what bands are used. (for example, is it a GSM network or CDMA network and what bands do they use? Verizon uses cdma and LTE Band 13, which are missing from the xt1225, but are present on this model. Even though the linked item may say Unlocked or even GSM, it is not equal to the xt1225 for all bands and GSM providers. you really have to check with your carrier to ensure which variant will work for you. I hope this helps.