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ICS on 512MB a problem?

Just wondering... is 512MB going to be a problem with ICS?
(It's a simple question I know)

Scougar said:
Just wondering... is 512MB going to be a problem with ICS?
(It's a simple question I know)
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I'm writing this from CM9 ICS alpha and runs perfect, don't worry for that
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No, it shouldn't be a problem.
But please post such things in the ICS discussion thread!

Flix123 said:
No, it shouldn't be a problem.
But please post such things in the ICS discussion thread!
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Thanks and apologies. I had wondered if getting a 1GB model phone would have been a significant advantage.
(Mod feel free to move the question to a post in the discussion thread).

Scougar said:
Thanks and apologies. I had wondered if getting a 1GB model phone would have been a significant advantage.
(Mod feel free to move the question to a post in the discussion thread).
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You can almost guarantee that a 1GB model will be better. The Optimus 2X does struggle with it's 512 mb, because 128mb is attributed to the GPU. Lukily, some kernels, like IronKrnl free some of that memory up and give it back to the CPU, but it's still losing 80mb.
Also, it's worth noting that, if you want to run ICS, if you look at the phones out that have 1gb of ram, you'll see they're all actually better phones- especially what Samsung make.
So, while the O2X is a cheap dual-core device. The best experience will come with something with 1gb of RAM, as it's much more likely to also get ICS. (Due in part because most 1gb phones have already had an announcement, and for it to be soon)

ICS is very hungry in memory. On my Asus Tablet running official, my 1GB RAM is fully used, as usual in Linux but at a higher level than in GB.
To run ICS correctly on O2X, you must use IronKrnl, the 48mb ramhack version is correct (means it steals 48MB to GPU, leaving only 80MB to it), and modifying memory killer values to a sort of aggressive profile.

Yea right, so this is why I had less free memory on GB. And now I have CM kernel on ICS. I doubt you actually tried CM9 alpha on O2X if you are talking crap like this about performance.
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The browser in ICS works better even though we have 512MB. It always returned to where I had left. 512 and less is enough for full desktop environments on PC even.

Ph4nt0m_ said:
Yea right, so this is why I had less free memory on GB. And now I have CM kernel on ICS. I doubt you actually tried CM9 alpha on O2X if you are talking crap like this about performance.
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See my sig and stop arguing. I run CM9 since first day Ricardo published SK0, and now running SK2 with latest Ironkrnl. Setiron himself admitted on Google+that ICS is a memory eater.

Dont know how much free memory we're talking about here but I'm on SK2 with original CM9 kernel. Using Adv.Task Killer from time to time and I always have around 200-240 Mb free memory. Just sharing my experience

Running CM9 aswell and its sooooo smooth, faster than any rom ive tried

OK, so what happens when you want to run Tegra games? (like Dungeon Defenders for example). A shame you cannot dynamically set the ram hack :-(

Scougar said:
OK, so what happens when you want to run Tegra games? (like Dungeon Defenders for example). A shame you cannot dynamically set the ram hack :-(
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That's the real question... Free memory when phone is idle means nothing. Plus you have to consider the lowmemkiller values you have set, I personnally use aggressive values: 16 24 32 90 100 110 to free the most possible memory.
Many users report freezes with games that run perfectly on GB. The problem or ramhack is choosing the right value for gaming, it seems 48mb version is the best compromise. A 'on the fly' feature was not planned for the moment by Setiron in one of his G+ posts.

Mjuksel said:
Running CM9 aswell and its sooooo smooth, faster than any rom ive tried
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That has no direct link with OP. But it's true it's smooth lol.

Striatum_bdr said:
That has no direct link with OP. But it's true it's smooth lol.
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It does. In low memory situations ICS seems to keep running better and smoother compared to GB. If you get under 40mb free on GB everythings gets very slow, with ICS it seems to handle it a bit more elegantly from a user experience.

Please don't think I'm pesimistic here, I'm just going off the comments: Given that OEM releases tend to be bloated and memory wasteful, it's not looking great for an LG ICS release that is 'fully' working. If they pull it off and allow tegra games to run, then I'll be impressed

the official release from LG should be more efficient, and once you remove bloatwares, it should be quite a charm

Hi,
The Google Nexus S also has only 512Mb, and a certain amount of those allocated to GPU (though I don't remember how many), and ICS works like a charm on it... So I think it shouldn't be a problem on our O2X! :-D

hearoy said:
Hi,
The Google Nexus S also has only 512Mb, and a certain amount of those allocated to GPU (though I don't remember how many), and ICS works like a charm on it... So I think it shouldn't be a problem on our O2X! :-D
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It has the same config (128 for the GPU, 384 of available RAM) and works really fine.
Obviously a full gigabyte would be awesome.
Cheers!

Im typing using my optimus one running icss.
NOTE: my phone can only be over clocked till 729mhz.
So for our 2x it will be no prob.
Just need propriety files.
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Jelly Bean eats all of ram!!! Severe Ram problem

Oh, after using jelly bean for 3 days, i noticed that it eats all of Ram, only 60-110 MB free!!!!
And this cause very slow downs and FC alot,
While on ics there is about 200-250 MB Free!!! With the same apps
Is this bec. Of beta, running, and freezing all bloatware and the same aetup in every aspect
, is 1GB of ram isn't enough now days!!!
Again, i tried to use swap file using various methods with no success due to kernel support, is there any kernel or method to have working swap, or is there any workaround to have some thing similar to swap.
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The note actually only has 800mb, so it's not even a gig.

well ram works differently on android then on windows pc, if its full it doesnt necessary mean that's why device is slowed down. Memory works differently.
Secondly jb, you are using now is not for everyday use. So you are bound to run into issues like this one. Also there is a memory leak in current builds. Which means that JB doesnt do that, but the current build does that because of a bug.
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baz77 said:
well ram works differently on android then on windows pc, if its full it doesnt necessary mean that's why device is slowed down. Memory works differently.
Secondly jb, you are using now is not for everyday use. So you are bound to run into issues like this one. Also there is a memory leak in current builds. Which means that JB doesnt do that, but the current build does that because of a bug.
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Yes i know that full ram may not cause slow downs, well it will slow down only when riched critical value and cause FCs , but you say that this problem in JB is due to beta stage, so this is good, so we have to wait for fully working build or at least stable enough to run system without FCs or slowdowna
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Yep definately.
I guess it takes extra clean installs with prenightly roms.
Maybe, because you got this far you can get comfortable with logfiles and troubleshooting. Try to get to the root cause of the issue. You might be able to contribute there.At this point if I knew how, I'd help you.
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little-vince said:
The note actually only has 800mb, so it's not even a gig.
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Is that true? I don't think so. I think it's how it's allocated and counted. Like when you go buy a 1TB drive, you only have access to 931GB. It's how it's formatted and allocated.
Probably the same with Android with memory allocation or something like that. It's false advertising to say "It has 1024MB of RAM" when they actually only include 800. 800 is accessible, but there's probably 1GB in there.

zkyevolved said:
Is that true? I don't think so. I think it's how it's allocated and counted. Like when you go buy a 1TB drive, you only have access to 931GB. It's how it's formatted and allocated.
Probably the same with Android with memory allocation or something like that. It's false advertising to say "It has 1024MB of RAM" when they actually only include 800. 800 is accessible, but there's probably 1GB in there.
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There almost certainly is 1GB of RAM in there, but the graphics processor needs some of it to do it's job, say probably 128MB. Then just like the PC there are other other parts of the device that need to have blocks of memory to do their jobs, and the kernel and other core OS will probably snarf some memory to do what they need to do.
Voila, 1GB of RAM immediately reduced to 500-800MB of actual "usable" RAM.

Yup, the 1gb is a lie.. galaxy note has the same amount of ram of desire hd
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LoVeRice said:
Yup, the 1gb is a lie.. galaxy note has the same amount of ram of desire hd
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No dear, desireHD has 786 MB BUT ONLY about 600 MB usable, the same story as note and every android device
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evaworld said:
No dear, desireHD has 786 MB BUT ONLY about 600 MB usable, the same story as note and every android device
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Based on every nand device out there, ssd, emmc, all of them allocate sectors to general use.
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Can part of internal sd or ext sd become an extended ram or something?
Would that make the device any faster?
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fr3ker said:
Can part of internal sd or ext sd become an extended ram or something?
Would that make the device any faster?
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Yes it can.
No that won't make it any faster. In fact, it will make it slower.
The way Android works is, it says "the kernel says I need X amount for gpu, X amount for sound, X amount for the OS".
And then it allocates a certain threashold and says "okay this much I'm keeping free".
Then it says "these functions of the OS aren't used often, I'll leave them out".
Then it says "okay so I've got extra ram room, I'm going to fill them up with Apps".
Why does it work this way?
It based on Linux, RAM is shared dynamically.
What does this mean?
A bloated kernel and OS will use more RAM for itself.
Why does it leave free ram?
In case it needs to execute a function that's not used often or is memory intensive (eg Browser).
Why does it store Apps?
So that its readily available. They just pop open. Or resume from last state.
...okay, so what does this mean about my Free RAM "issues" with Jelly Bean?
It means that you are uneducated. It means Jelly Bean, or the specific setup you have either is more bloated than your previous setup OR it has a low "free ram allocation" setting. Solution? There is no problem, though you can trim down the ram allocation and kill off some memory things (apps, hidden background tasks) you can increase the amount of Free RAM, but its more likely to slow down the system. Remember, Jelly Bean builds are still Alpha/Beta stage, so they can/do have memory leaks.
Another point I should mention:
OS RAM use increased a lot from 1.6 -> 2.1
OS RAM use increased from 2.1 -> 2.2
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.2 -> 2.3
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.3 -> 4.0
< I haven't checked JB, but I'm willing to bet its increased from ICS, even if slightly >
This is Android, not Windows. Its behaves differently and has different symptoms. A quick Google search could've answered your questions.

Kangal said:
Yes it can.
No that won't make it any faster. In fact, it will make it slower.
The way Android works is, it says "the kernel says I need X amount for gpu, X amount for sound, X amount for the OS".
And then it allocates a certain threashold and says "okay this much I'm keeping free".
Then it says "these functions of the OS aren't used often, I'll leave them out".
Then it says "okay so I've got extra ram room, I'm going to fill them up with Apps".
Why does it work this way?
It based on Linux, RAM is shared dynamically.
What does this mean?
A bloated kernel and OS will use more RAM for itself.
Why does it leave free ram?
In case it needs to execute a function that's not used often or is memory intensive (eg Browser).
Why does it store Apps?
So that its readily available. They just pop open. Or resume from last state.
...okay, so what does this mean about my Free RAM "issues" with Jelly Bean?
It means that you are uneducated. It means Jelly Bean, or the specific setup you have either is more bloated than your previous setup OR it has a low "free ram allocation" setting. Solution? There is no problem, though you can trim down the ram allocation and kill off some memory things (apps, hidden background tasks) you can increase the amount of Free RAM, but its more likely to slow down the system. Remember, Jelly Bean builds are still Alpha/Beta stage, so they can/do have memory leaks.
Another point I should mention:
OS RAM use increased a lot from 1.6 -> 2.1
OS RAM use increased from 2.1 -> 2.2
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.2 -> 2.3
OS RAM use increased a lot from 2.3 -> 4.0
< I haven't checked JB, but I'm willing to bet its increased from ICS, even if slightly >
This is Android, not Windows. Its behaves differently and has different symptoms. A quick Google search could've answered your questions.
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Thanks for the lecture here :thumbup: I see now, I never get to know linux base very well. Just starting to get myself familiar with it.
I've used a few types of JB rom before and I discovered that its using double the ram from ICS making my phone lags and does funny things ut shouldn't. Ahaks
Than I noticed that JB was released to phones such as S3 and such, phones that has double the ram size to compare with note. Its when I started to wonder...
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I moved back to 4.0.3

After trying many Roms...i decided moving back to 4.0.3
Now my phone works well ,Super fast ,and very very Smooth. It seems that JB "4.1.2" is making Lg 4x HD very slow... cyanogenmod too...
Im running ics "4.0.3 v10B"
I was thinking 4.1.2 will be better
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and why should we care?

theofficialpimp said:
and why should we care?
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Don't be so rude, he's just reporting. I admit that he should have tell us a bit more about the different performances but this is a forum ! He is reporting something so that users who are in the same case could do as he did.
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im sorry for being rude

I had a few phones with Android.
I saw that the pre-installed system is almost always better than update.
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sQuAshPL said:
I had a few phones with Android.
I saw that the pre-installed system is almost always better than update.
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that's because they had all the time they have to develop a better ROM before the official launch. But once after launch whiners and babies will cry for updates so they had to rush a bit more, which sacrificed optimisation time.
Good ROM takes time. If CyanogenMod didn't have nightlies or RC - just stable releases, god it could be ages before anything from them sees light.

Life'sGood said:
that's because they had all the time they have to develop a better ROM before the official launch. But once after launch whiners and babies will cry for updates so they had to rush a bit more, which sacrificed optimisation time.
Good ROM takes time. If CyanogenMod didn't have nightlies or RC - just stable releases, god it could be ages before anything from them sees light.
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Maybe LG is working on.4.2.2 yet and want a perfect 4.2.2 so they dont.tell anything and working very long ... and it takes time
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GalaxyVolvoZ said:
Maybe LG is working on.4.2.2 yet and want a perfect 4.2.2 so they dont.tell anything and working very long ... and it takes time
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You're dreaming dude IMO we won't get official 4.2.2 nor 4.3
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Mm, probably not, but why is it shocking to you all that 4.0.3 is faster? :s The lower the android version, the less resources it needs because it has less features, less processes, looks worse, lower demand for high quality rendering etc etc.
Think about it, would running 4.3 be as fast as running 2.3.x on it?
In my eyes, the lower the android version, the "Faster" it will appear.. Also, post some benchmarks of v10, and we can compare them to a benchmark of 4.3?
Edit1:"Optimizations" You mean they add placebo to the stock rom? fact is, CM9 will be faster then V10, and CM10 will be faster then V20. Say they release V30 as 4.2.2, you can bet your ass CM10.1 would be faster, v40 as 4.3, CM10.2 would be faster. v50 as 4.4 say, CM11? Would probably be faster than it.

penguin449 said:
Mm, probably not, but why is it shocking to you all that 4.0.3 is faster? :s The lower the android version, the less resources it needs because it has less features, less processes, looks worse, lower demand for high quality rendering etc etc.
Think about it, would running 4.3 be as fast as running 2.3.x on it?
In my eyes, the lower the android version, the "Faster" it will appear.. Also, post some benchmarks of v10, and we can compare them to a benchmark of 4.3?
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No higher Android better Performence. Because it has more features, and can handle the Hardware better. For Example I mean Android 1 Beta dont support Dual Core Processor. Because the Rom doesnt detect it. And Android 4.3 can handle Bluetooth 4.0 and can handle the Ram and Processes better. Like compare windows 2000 with Windows 7 64 Bit.
If the Hardware Requirements is ok, we can have the full Power of it with good Android Version.
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GalaxyVolvoZ said:
No higher Android better Performence. Because it has more features, and can handle the Hardware better. For Example I mean Android 1 Beta dont support Dual Core Processor. Because the Rom doesnt detect it. And Android 4.3 can handle Bluetooth 4.0 and can handle the Ram and Processes better. Like compare windows 2000 with Windows 7 64 Bit.
If the Hardware Requirements is ok, we can have the full Power of it with good Android Version
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W.T.F. :banghead:
Did you really just try arguing that?

For me the stock rom 4.0.3 was fast but had alot of lag issues when installing apps, closing apps etc.. Now on stable cm 10.1 i got no issues at all and my battery life doubled.
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SimonTS said:
W.T.F. :banghead:
Did you really just try arguing that?
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There is some truth when it comes to 4.3. For me cm10.2 is like lightning even compared to v10a. v10a ICS was pretty fast, but not as good as this. Its the best rom from LG with no tinkering though
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Well try to use CM 10.1.3 latest with iodak v7.. U feel much difference!!! Its much battery friendly and Smooth

I moved back too, but to "official" 4.1.2 not 4.0.3. im using Jellyfish HD 1.3 (with iodak kernel) and its great. Finally MHL works, camera is awesome, video recording is smooth not like on cm. everything is smooth and battery life is much much better. I don't need to worry anymore if something will not work (like on 4.2 customs)
oh and games are more laggy, thats only one disadvantage

Sorry but we need to differentiate between pure android and OEM modified android. There is no possible way pure ICS is smoother/faster than later pure android versions. Resource management has only improved in newer versions of android. Hence low end devices always experience a performance improvement from newer aosp based Roms, from their latest stock firmware. Its common that OEMS introduce poor code, bugs etc that may take from the user experence in newer versions of their firmware, this is possibly the case of our device. Although there is a very minimal difference between stock 4.1 android and custom ROM/ kernels in terms of battery vs performance(other devices I own, the difference is night and day.). Which indicates lg done a great job of android 4.1 on our device.

JoinTheRealms said:
Sorry but we need to differentiate between pure android and OEM modified android. There is no possible way pure ICS is smoother/faster than later pure android versions. Resource management has only improved in newer versions of android. Hence low end devices always experience a performance improvement from newer aosp based Roms, from their latest stock firmware. Its common that OEMS introduce poor code, bugs etc that may take from the user experence in newer versions of their firmware, this is possibly the case of our device. Although there is a very minimal difference between stock 4.1 android and custom ROM/ kernels in terms of battery vs performance(other devices I own, the difference is night and day.). Which indicates lg done a great job of android 4.1 on our device.
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That's total rubbish. I've seen nexus 7 users get worse and worse lag as they upgrade. That's pure android straight from Google! Nexus 4 users too. 4.3 Does have optimizations, and good ones at that. Its bloody fast no ****. But I've never seen a direct correlation between higher android version and smoother performance. Never. And I've had too many phones due to breakages. I knew a guy who swore by froyo when cm10 was available, because it was bloat free and smooth. Just because new bloat isn't directly visible doesn't mean it isn't there.
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That's total rubbish. I've seen nexus 7 users get worse and worse lag as they upgrade. That's pure android straight from Google! Nexus 4 users too. 4.3 Does have optimizations, and good ones at that. Its bloody fast no ****. But I've never seen a direct correlation between higher android version and smoother performance. Never. And I've had too many phones due to breakages. I knew a guy who swore by froyo when cm10 was available, because it was bloat free and smooth. Just because new bloat isn't directly visible doesn't mean it isn't there.
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Do you seriously think google push crazy amounts of money into making a worse os than they had? I agree, and said in my previous post that updates occationally brake things, Its understandable for the android ecosystem(im not saying its accepable, i pisses me of and ive experenced it myself.)
Each update is a net good for android, btw google isnt bloating android, oems are responsiable for that, and oftern ruin what would have been a good update for a device. ICS on this device was better for gaming, but it distroyed battery , JB fixed that found a better balance.
I know people who still cling to windows xp, some day they will have to reliese, underling windows 8 is a much improved os.(no matter how much they or I disagree with the interface)

timon12 said:
I moved back too, but to "official" 4.1.2 not 4.0.3. im using Jellyfish HD 1.3 (with iodak kernel) and its great. Finally MHL works, camera is awesome, video recording is smooth not like on cm. everything is smooth and battery life is much much better. I don't need to worry anymore if something will not work (like on 4.2 customs)
oh and games are more laggy, thats only one disadvantage
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Please can you link me to Jellyfish ?
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ectoplasma22 said:
Please can you link me to Jellyfish ?
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http://dlbase.seo-fuerst.de/?dir=LG-Forum/LG-P880/Jellyfish HD/Jellyfish Versionen/v1.3/

[CM][RAM]

Guys, we all know that CM roms are far better than what touchwiz had to offer... but I saw a thing which amazed me.. cm roms have very low apps compared to touch wiz.. but the touchwiz had more RAM availability than the CM
CM - 778MB
TW - 862 MB
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Ain't their a way to increase CM ram availability to the user

What's the problem? I don't care about ram until phone is smooth on cm.

I'm also want to know about that.. perhaps is the kernel... but if someone who can give a clarifing answer would be apreciated.. ..

Yes it depends on the kernel you are using.
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which kernels provide the maximum overall RAM availaible?

Haven't tested much since JB was out but on ICS, hydracore kernel used to make a lot of ram usable.
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Yeah you are correct!

Unused RAM ist wasted RAM. Rom/Kernel are the "people" who should handle resource management - nothing that the user should care about - especially not in the way: free RAM as much as possible.

ThaiDai said:
Unused RAM ist wasted RAM. Rom/Kernel are the "people" who should handle resource management - nothing that the user should care about - especially not in the way: free RAM as much as possible.
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It's not about how much is used and free ram. It's about the max available for use out of 1 GB that note claims to have.

@ThaiDai you were coming out with your cm10.2 rom? if you do.. please try to avail as lot of memory as possible!

Low RAM

I had this phone since 2011 it came with android 2.1 .the phone should have 512mb of RAM but always shows 312mb. I read somewhere that if I upgrade android it will change to 512mb but it still stayed the same. It was running android 2.3 gingerbread until now. I decided to install a custom ROM this year.I installed CyanogenMod 11 snapshot release. It brought so many new cool features to the phone and made it much easier to use. But the RAM is full. Apps like Facebook and Google+ are using up the RAM. Should I get an older version of CyanogenMod? Like cm10, or cm11? I think that the older versions would use less RAM to run on the phone.
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Sippay said:
I had this phone since 2011 it came with android 2.1 .the phone should have 512mb of RAM but always shows 312mb. I read somewhere that if I upgrade android it will change to 512mb but it still stayed the same. It was running android 2.3 gingerbread until now. I decided to install a custom ROM this year.I installed CyanogenMod 11 snapshot release. It brought so many new cool features to the phone and made it much easier to use. But the RAM is full. Apps like Facebook and Google+ are using up the RAM. Should I get an older version of CyanogenMod? Like cm10, or cm11? I think that the older versions would use less RAM to run on the phone.
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You're always gonna have some RAM used. You can sacrifice your hd recording for more RAM (with another kernel). But unless you really need it, having 200 RAM being used is nothing.

You cant get whole 512MB of installed RAM as free space in this world! android OS itself consumes 40-50% RAM! Some of the exceptional ROMs like SlimROMS consume less amount of RAM. Secondly, You cant expect Apps like Facebook,Google+,Flipboard work like charm on Captivate as they consume more RAM and Cache memory for their benefit. If you want to use those kind of apps, then you should keep closing them whenever not required. You better use Greenify app from the playstore, it hibernates apps when not in use!
Hope it helps! :fingers-crossed: Cheers! :good:

Use any KK rom with NeatKernel 1.09, works great and its very fast in any ROM. I just can't play videos in instagram and sometimes in snapchat but i can live without it. And i deleted some system apps i dont use like native keyboard, calendar, talkback, etc.

The 1st gen SGS devices (including the original Galaxy Tab) only has 384mb of "real" RAM. The rest is for the graphic card. With a bigmem kernel, you can sacrifice HD recording/playback for another 30-40mb.